World of Tanks - Kranvagn: A Swedish Experiment
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- What is the Kranvagn? Simply, it’s an experimental Swedish tank built to counter Soviet vehicles like the IS-3. Why was its development so turbulent? What was the solution? What on earth does Kranvagn mean? Watch our video to find out!
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Next up: A Swedish arty with a 48-second reload and has a 14-round clip. seems legit
with 150 damage......
Onlt way to balance it tho!
And balanced
.5 intraclip reload
Just let it be like sweden built it. It were built to shoot nuclear shells (Bandkanon 1C)
Just came from that video
This proves that video games can be educational. :P
Yes BIG points
@@roy3643 massive points
Humongous points
Large points
Here have a upvote
The kranvagn: a tank wargaming didn't pull out its ass
For once
Actually they only pulled the turret out of their asses, there was no turret made for the Kranvagn.
So this tank is somewhat half assed by WG.
I suppose they gotta pull something out their ass
The turret wasn't pulled out of the ass either, there was just no sense in building one since the gun wasn't finalized due to the ammunition not being ready.
Da Komrade! this tank is good one of the best of the heavy tanks
05:05 "150mm gun" Imagine the kranvagn with 4 750 alpha shot 🤣😨
MrSaussissonSec waffle e100
Fv 183: Finally, a worthy opponent
Waffentrager E-100 2.0
actually we having 1 coming,the new italian td :D
@@user-sg9ql8nk1u they do not have 150mm or 750 alpha tho
The main problem with the 15 cm cannon wasn't the gun itself, but the
ammunition. Kinetic penetrators (KP) was considered a thing of the past
given the rapid development of the HEAT-technology, which was the
natural choice for a brand new tank system (hence the large calibre, as
the power of the HEAT-round is a direct function of the diameter) to be
built.
HEAT-rounds have some problems though:
* In order to detonate properly at a target, the fuse must be exact
enough to ignite the hollow charge at a precise distance from the
armour. This is getting increasingly difficult with higher projectile
speeds, so the Vo (velocity measured when the projectile just clears the
muzzle) deliberately had to be kept low (500-800 m/s) for the fuses to
function.
* This in turn means that for longer distances, the trajectory
becomes much higher than for a faster projectile, meaning the flight
time becomes much longer than the mere difference in Vo between a KP and
a HEAT-round suggest. Long flight times makes it a lot harder to hit a
moving target...which everyone playing derp-gun and artillery can
confirm.
* Finally, the HEAT-rounds (just like HESH) doesn't like getting spun
around, or rather, the centripetal forces will lower the penetration.
This causes severe problems in a gun relying on spinning the shell for
stabilisation.
The Swedish military naturally wanted a reliable shell with good
penetration, precision and short flight time at a reasonable cost per
shell.
These simple demands proved to be insurmountable for the Bofors
engineers. If the flight time was to be kept short, the velocity had to
increase, which made the fuses unreliable. Getting good penetration with
a rifled gun was difficult due to the spin, and with a smooth bore gun
the lack of stabilisation made the precision suffer. Improving the fuses
and adding a ball-bearing allowing the outer casing to rotate around
the inner HEAT-charge and stabilise the projectile while giving full
penetration would have made the shells prohibitorily expensive (15-50
times the cost of a normal HEAT.shell) to stock for war time use, never
mind exercises.
Without a working shell, the gun couldn't go into final design, nor
could the auto-loading system. Those in turn were the determining factor
for the final design of the turret, so hence it was never made. Bofors
could of course have made a more realistic mock-up, but that would just
have been a waste of resources as all machinery would have to be
re-tooled once the final designs were in.
In short, this is the kingdom lost due to the lost horse-shoe nail.
Johan Metreus well explained thank u
Glad someone took the time to read it :-)
Johan Metreus too many words,my brain is now on smoke....
You should be a preacher
That was surprisingly well explained, thank you
Can't wait for Swedish arty's:P
A arty that fires 14 shots per 48 seconds like WTF hahahahahahaha love to see the hate on that one
and a autoloder nice
Aim for Ais an autoloader with what was essentially gigantic 14round N-block clips on top of that rof. each clip of 14 rounds stored on a standard wooden cargo pallet (same as modern EU-pallet) in the ammo depots, ready for beeing rolled out by fork lift onto the ammo resuply trucks and then lifted directly into the autoloader magazine as a single unit with the ammo truck's hydraulic crane, Each ammo truck carrying up to six pallets/clips (6x14 155mm one-piece rounds)
Full reload took 2 minutes/SPG and was done as part of the regular battery relocation between fire missions. (fire-move to reload-move to next firing location-repeat until enemy retreats)
SonOfLorgar OMG OP hahahahahahahahahahaha System tanks for explaining it ^-
Sweden doesnt have 10 different own artys
@@readytodie7355 so it may be unable to make a tech tree for that arty. How sad!
IS-3 was Overrated by whom? Not by Soviets that's for sure 'cause they deemed it obsolete less than one year after the Berlin display!!
While Soviets were building MBTs of various shapes and forms, Western countries were building tanks and SPGs (TDs) to counter possible IS-3s swarm invasion for more than 20 years!
And that's HILARIOUS!!
SPGs are artillery self propelled guns. Just to know i didn.t say that meanful. I just wanted to make sure u know the difference. Cheers :)
Actually lemme show.
Self |
Propelled| = spg =artillery
Guns |
Did you know that they kept developing heavy tanks like the IS-3 past 1945?
the point is that the soviets kinda were a bully and saw the Geneva Convention more as the Geneva suggestions
Austerlitz On Blitz it’s also correct in the way they used it though. Take a look at multiple documents and tales about tank destroyers and they are sometimes recognized as Self Propelled Guns, even if this is an incorrect title nonetheless in history it has been used in the context for tank destroyers.
I swear to God WG if you put that Swedish Arty even arty players would hate arty players.
If aiming time is high its useless
@@sarook530 just auto fire in the ennemy base, you'll sure hit something and insta kill every arty in the game (unless the e100 which could resist a shot which lands close to it thanks to its side skirts)
Arty players would hate their own kind
funny bandkannon noises
Wg: amx50 100 has good front armor at its time
Me: *bro what*
Yes in game armor is like carboard
@@aleksandarvujanic7914 real life one was too. It's the same layout as in game
@@fuckinantipope5511 Armor is what makes tank powerfull, but Amx is the only tank in my opinion that makes it different. Armor is weak, but that gun with 3 clips and mobility with that big turret smile, is the best thing.
Me: laugh in 183 milimeter FV
Hey WG, can we get a Centurion tank in the Swedish tech tree?
that would be pretty cool :)
Casper Kersten that would be awesome I would totally buy that premium.
Strv 104 would be cool as tier 8 or 9 premium tank :)
Tugberk Elibol . Isn't it a hack??
kiko simos its most likely spam
This is just me deciding on what tech tree I should play, chill guys.
So sad,the tank line I'm grinding could not even see it's existence
That Swedich arty looks so bad ass! Please add! =D
4:23 no he didn't just mop the floor with ur OP rusky IS7 !
FOX 455m to bad it does not have it's 145 mm
I can't wait for this to be released in blitz
Wait 4 more months...
@@lllz9800 40 months
Well it’s here yeyeyeyeyey
@@2pop39 and it sucks
And I want to see the kranvagn being built, seems like a very cool tank
well we only had it hull,which still exist till this day in a museum,prob to em for keeping it :o
Bandkanon 1 is absolutely huge, trust me ive seen it, twice..
As a Swede im triggered everytime in every video people pronounce "kranvagn" as "Kran WAGEN"
NiklasAdv you made me spit out my soup
kran wagen
The Kranvagn:
better than ikea meatballs
IS-3 was the most overrated tank of its time... it was exactly the opposite of what the Red Army wanted and needed, and was plagued with countless problems that would make it unacceptable in the West. They finally (dis)proved how much they were worth in the deserts of Sinai.
It had to make the Brits happy when they finally realized how the hull took shots. They were so worried that the L7 on the Centurion wouldn't be able to punch through the IS-3, that they actually started a program to try and mount the L1 120 mm on the Centurion (the FV4202). Later, they realized that when the IS-3's hull was hit by rounds fried from the L7, it just split open like an egg.
What caused this? I thought the pike nose was quite stronk.
Duncan Cook It was the welds where the armor plates were joined together. They weren't strong enough so when the tank took a hit, "POP!" The welds broke and the crew suddenly had windows.
Ah, well that makes sense.
Yeah it turned out Russia steel was not so stronk after all.
They also slowly fell apart after a few years due to those same shoddy welds.
Im sad for the engineers who had years of their work scrapped.
:( uuuh jajaj
mark my words comrades..one day wg will put a swedish tech tree for SPG'S..
The most horrific part is that it could more then likely happen due to the fact its possible with the tanks that existed and those that was blueprints.
Soap Mactavish pooooh im from future and there is no arties in swedish tech tree yet
@@williamaftonpizzeria And there will never be any new SPG's in wot. WG confirmed they wont add any SPG's
@@sytricka3318 welp.... I left the game but thanks for informing me
Still no swedish arties!
Makes every 50B owner regret their life
Not really, the Kranvagn in game has such terrible soft stats and a shitty autoloader that the 50b still has its place
Tan Jing Hong Jacob bs
Panzerknacker Auto this was before the buff of the kranvagn, and before the buff it was true
WiardiVK oh nvm
@@jacobtanjinghong 5 yr later... how abt now?
NO ONE IN SWEDEN MAKES A TANK AND CALLS IT THE CRANE WAGON WITH A CANNON, BUT WITH A CRANE
ture man it woulde have code name cv(insert nubmer here)
While what they said about Sweden lacking behind is true for tanks its far from true when it comes to the air planes. Sweden had some very cool ww2 planes and while being such a small nation still had some 900 bombers & some 800 Fighters in active service by 1945 not to mention the ground breaking jet planes they built during the 50s and 60s.
they probably decided to give up after nerf :)
lol
I love the concept : know the origins of the game’s tanks ! Its totally insane to know that all tanks of WOT are reals and was developed by army
Of course they were you thought all of wots tanks were fake?
@@civiltrack3583 not all were real.
oh man it could be so good
No, I think it could be designed in extreme condition too.
Then WG will have to nerf it.
jeah thats true better hull then the is7 ^^ to op man
VAGN NOT FUCKING WAGEN!
It looks like somebody is a bit whiny and needs a little cruise missile love.
North Atlantic Terror Organization der kommunist ATGM wants to make love with your tank
I don't give a shiit, it's a motherfuucking Wagen.
Bada Bing Bada Boom Not even close. Dissapointing they cant prenounce something as easy as vagn wich is prenounced vangn, SIMPLE AF
No it's not. It's pronounced wagen.
swedish spg line confirmed
So WG made this tank historically accurate, by making it’s gun handling trash😂
I love the shape of the turret in game
In wot this is the strongest hull down tank. Respect served right
Honestly with the reworked artillery, that Swedish SPG could actually be a very feasible artillery, so long as the damage was lower that the other artillery.
I love the videos on tank development. Keep up the good work!
imagine a sweden spg with siege mode.
hold up… the Kranvagn historically would habe 140-160 mm of front body armor???? So why is it 110 then in the game…
They should complete the kranvagan it's beautiful tank
the front turret armor is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
SMOOTH
A brilliant and informative video, very nice to watch content like this from WG, goob job!
If it wasn't for the factual errors, it would been a great video.
@@johanmetreus1268 what factual errors
@@unnecessaryammorack Back to the gun, the same issue that plagued the 15 cm gun would have made the 12 cm gun fail: there was no proper HEAT-shell already developed, and as seen, creating a shell both capable to hit and penetrating the target proved impossible.
I like this smiley tanks like Amx.
No for real: imagine they arty in the game with shots that do almost no DMG and stun for 5sec max. He would be a pure support and very skilled players could go for the tracks.
M4T3matix and would render the French obsolete in all aspects
that arty tho I don't wanna see it in game...
It's not going to have its massive clip, it'll just be another Lorraine 155
Timothy Taliercio ok :P
I'll reinstall wot if I can have that.
But probably it will come after they add the Schwerer Gustav.
Bandkanon 1 PLZ!!!!!
120mm gun and 140mm of armor for 28t and a 150mm gun for more than 40t -> in game 44t for 120 mm gun and 90 mm for armor WOT could you explain this ?
"balance" ...
an SPG with 14 shots every 48 seconds... don't even think about it wargaming
Love Swedish tanks :D so creative
These videos are all so good
Bandkanon 1 and IKv 91 when!?
More videos like this please!
nice and if this tier 10 swedish heavy tank was produced and in-service up to 2016 it's frontal turret & side armour would have explosive reactive armor similar to tier 10 medium tanks that are in service in 2016 Russian T-62 American M48 & M60 French AMX-30 German Leopard 1 & British Centurion & including the Russian Tier 9 medium Tank T-54 / T-55 all of these tanks have explosive reactive armor installed with countries that still use them. For the Kranvangn if it's still in service in 2016 the 120mm rifled Gun would be replaced by a 120mm smoothbore gun to take on Russian T-90, T-72 , and T-80 tier 11 medium Tanks & T-14 Armata tier 11 heavy tank if wargaming it puts in present-day tanks
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Through those failures that they've been through , the Strv 103 was it's only thing that Sweden becomes a successor.
if it would have the historical parameters....
Ye
Sweden: They destroy you from the other side of the map that'll make you ricochet or you have to pen 420+ mm of armour on a ridge line.
looking forward to the spg now
Wow Is Coming in World of Tanks Blitz!!! OMG
I wonder what was/were the technical problems for that turret.
This tank gonna be added in Blitz
It did, and im getting it
@@jellychicken9010 uh... so after u got it... happy with it?
Hmm wait in the film was talk of artillery possible that in the future the Swedish tree will altylerja
Love these
sweden: 1 make a tank 2 try to make the best tank 3 realise you cant make the best tank 4 buy tanks from brittain
Repeat the same thing in the 90's. Tries to make Strv2000, buys tanks form Germany instead.
A tank built to destroy soviet tanks, just what I need.
this tank is OP in WOT
Anybody knows the track playing after 9:00?? It's awesome
I want dat spg!
14 shots for 48s! (About 1 shell every 12s, then the reload time 😂😂😂)
So an IS 8 in tire IX in better than the tire X heavy swidish tank?
Vysvětlí mi někdo, proč se v "dokumentu" k projektu nevyjadřují Švédi?
Let this tank come in the World of tanks blitz
Dat Arty,Make it war gaming ,make it now!
0:07. STRV m/42
im from finland btw.
wait, this was in the fifties?
When france and soviet russia makes out they get sweden
Pewdiepie approve it ❤️
Why do you use an interpreter? As a dane, I might actually understand some of what he's saying! Darn you WG;P
Wargaming next tank swiss one is a good idee
Bastien Rolle the Panzer 58 is Swiss..
MarschallRommel but in the game he is german and swiss can have light-medium, spg and td branche
Swiss tanks and not italians?
Next what brazilian tanks?
I want to see an Italian line
What happening with subilites
But kran means a tap, like, a faucet, the water thing?
True, but the word also means crane. As in a crane that lifts things. (dont ask me why since this clearly wasnt designed to lift things xD )
same reason german "maus" is named after small harmless animal rather than some dangerous cat like the others - to mislead spies
Whye can't the swedish arty be in the Game also..155 mm Gun..20 mm armory...53.000 kg..And abel to empty it's clipp off 15 shots in 45 sec. Sweden built 26 off these arty.
I'd like to see this shit IRL.
Wargame Europe if i open wot, my sream flares and I can't play !!! how can i fix it?
SUOMI mainittu
nii on
what did the finnish do for swedish tank production?
Stefan Nilsson taught the Swedes how to drive a T-34?
Jussi Hintsala xD jep
Kranik
Ps4, Xbox one swedish tanks???
The Cranvagen is a Good Tank in wot
Me watching people playing wot at max graphics and going to play wot at low graphics
pls replays on the weak pls team battle i thing epic wins maybe 3vs1 situations ?
is this the tier 6 premium tank in game?
Aliakyn Kersbaumer Tier 8-10 heavy tank.
Eyeless_Camper medium tank...
Freie Kekse The tier 8-10 are heavy tanks, not mediums.
lol this is a tier10 heavy tank and its not premium
OP shit
i love sweden ps:im finnish
World of tanks is only Crashing in the new update...
wargaming, please help me. i can't run my test server 3days. it's a restart??
kiko simos the test server is down, because the live version now has 9.17. Test server will return when 9.18 comes out
Ok thanks.
Emil 2 - 39 second time reload is a joke, plus poor mobility. not enjoyable at all. Not going to get kranvagn
sochi11 Then you dont know how to play this tank m8
Awesomeguy jee, i know. just press 2 button, but i dont want to
sochi11 You are also a little bit right. If this tank isnt top tier (Emil 1, Emil 2) it is shit. But Kranvagn is I would say only for hulldowns. Then it is shit too, also mobility is good for heavy in my opinion.
can you add swedish artillery?
Ad fiat 2000 in game
If it's 140mm hull armour more effective than IS-7, why is it week green armour in game? Any why no 150mm gun? T57 was supposed to have 155mm too so why not two gun options on both tanks in game? Kranvagn so bad it the first and only Tear 10 I ever sold! It needs to be reworked. Gun penitration accuracy and reload is useless and so is hull armour. BUFF IT!
AHH but you forget
Russian bias for IS-7
World of Fantasy tanks.
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