The resurgence of Japanese games - Ebb and Flow
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Starting end 2016, we saw the release of a succession of Japanese games that were critically acclaimed both in Japan and overseas.
We met with some of their directors to discuss their views on this period and on the state of the Japanese game industry.
Features: Katsura Hashino (Persona 5, Atlus), Tetsuya Mizuguchi (Rez: Infinite, Enhance), Toshihiro Nagoshi (Yakuza 6, SEGA), Koshi Nakanishi (Resident Evil 7, Capcom), Yuya Tokuda (Monster Hunter: World, Capcom), Keiichiro Toyama (Gravity Rush 2, Sony Interactive Entertainment), Fumihiko Yasuda (Nioh, Koei Tecmo), Yoko Taro (NieR: Automata, Square Enix) & John Ricciardi (8-4)
2016年後半より、日本からゲーム作品のリリースが相次ぎ、国内外を問わず絶賛された。
その一部の作品のディレクターに今回の事象、そして日本のゲーム業界の状況に対する思いを伺った。
出演：橋野桂（ペルソナ5、アトラス）、水口哲也（Rez: Infinite、エンハンス）、名越稔洋（龍が如く６、セガ）、中西晃史（バイオハザード7、カプコン）、徳田優也（モンスタハンター：ワールド、カプコン）、外山圭一郎（Gravity Daze 2、SIE）、安田文彦（仁王、コーエーテクモ）、ヨコオタロウ（NieR: Automata、スクエアエニックス）＆ジョン・リカーディ（ハチノヨン）
These are really great and well done. Two of my favorite things put together, Japanese games and beautiful video production
Thanks for the kind word!
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This was fantastic to watch, thanks for producing it. I can't believe you're just giving this away. I hope you sent links to the big gaming blogs, it needs coverage.
Hello. What are the credits for the music please? Who is the artist/musician? Is the music available anywhere? I just love these ambient tracks (once again).
I´m going through some sort of crisis right now, losing my dad... and for a long time, I play so many japanese games again like ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, REZ, Shenmue... remembering why I love japanese games so much. Thank you Japan!
We're very sorry for your loss. Thank you so much for your comment.
Your videos are criminally underrated!
まさかこの時代に日本のゲームが黄金期を迎えるとは思ってもみなかった
苦悩を乗り越えたクリエイター達と技術、そしてこの素晴らしい動画に感謝
Thanks for sharing these creator's thoughts with the world, as someone working in the game industry, their unique ways of thinking truly ring a bell in me.
The PS3/360 gen were dark times for Japanese game fans like myself. If it wasn't for handheld systems like the DS/PSP and 3DS/Vita it would have been terrible. Glad that around the PS4 generation there was a resurgence. The only negative part is that a lot of young people that maybe had the PS3/360 as their first generation of consoles have like 0 experience in Japanese games so almost 10 years of nothing is crazy considering most of us probably grew up during the SNES/PS1 or PS2 eras where it was common to own a lot of Western and Japanese developed games. Most young people last gen barely had any Japanese games in their collections so I feel like it was a detriment to their gaming experiences.
I totally agree I grew up at the end of the ps2 generation and the ps3 generation that dominated my childhood was wasted playing mostly copy pasted open world drivel, even the Wii suffered from this lack of creativity out of nintendo's lineup (which were subpar considering their track record) and it's caused a generation with a very poor taste in games (not even opinion I mean look at the consistent trend following of the west that has gained acclaim: FPS's, open worlds and now gruff dads with beards walking emotional time simulators)
i'd kinda disagree ?
there may have been less but the ones that were there were all amazing games, from action games like dmc4 and bayonetta to fighting games like the blazblue series/guilty gear coming back and of course jrpgs still going strong with the tales of series, ni no kuni and many one off games like catherine;
as someone who grew up in it i don't think that era could be called a dark time, what was there was more than enough to encourage you to go back as well.
I agree with you
dark times? what? eh.. i agree more with Chair Kun
That's what Ninja is saying. Not that there weren't great games, but there were so few overall. That makes it a lot harder for the great ones to make any inroads in the western market.
"There will be many game creators in their 60's and 70's in the coming years." 36:33
That gave me goosebumps.
What a great documentary! One tiny problem, though - where are Miyazaki-san (FromSoftware, Dark Souls), Suda-San (Grashopper Manufacture, Killer7) and Suehiro-san (White Owls Inc., Deadly Premonition)? They would have been a great addition to this conversation, because their games did well and had a great impact on the industry in those dark times (360/PS3) and beyond. Hope, you get to interview them in the future! Keep up the good work!
Wow, blown away by the quality of this. Thank you so much for making it!
Thanks for watching and for the kind word!
Your videos are always so beautifully done...
Well, as a men an gamer who grew up in the 90's, through the Ps1, N64, SNES, Ps2 era, i just skipped the Ps3 era partly because of what happened to the Japanese developer's at this time. I am a big fan of original games who are not shooter games or FPS and so on, neither MMO or crappy mobile games. I enjoy more a good old fashioned but original JRPG or action games 😀
I am really happy that the Japanese developers came back to their roots : they are Japanese not European or American. Now we have Nier automata, The last Guardian, Persona 5, Nioh, Rez infinite ( from the Ps2 era i think), Yakuza, Zelda Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Resident Evil 7, Bloodborne, and counting...
I love you guy's for those games 😂
This video is great and with a high quality. Thank you for this documentary guy's!! 👍👍
now go and play ps3 and x360 (and also wii) japanese games you missed
Wonderful interviews and doc guys, you are setting a new level for quality documenting what are japanese dev thoughts and creation process. Thanks!
Thank you!
If it wasn't for Japanese creators i would have probably quit games as a hobby a long time ago. I only wish you were able to include Hidetaka Miyazaki in this documentary as well especially since i think he is one of the most important Japanese creators that spearheaded this rebirth of Japanese game popularity in the West at a time when everyone (even some Japanese creators) were saying that "Japanese games are finished." Great video as always...
Couldn t agree more.Miyazaki (and From Software) held the flag and most important for me he showed the way by looking back to the basics.
Γεια σου Κώστα!
I was thinking about this too.
Jimmy Gigas
Γεια σου ρε Δημητρη,δεν ξερεις ποσο χαιρομαι που σε βλεπω εδω! :)
As Donald Anderson pointed out, Miyazaki unfortunately doesn't like being put upfront.
Archipel Indeed but that makes him even more likeable and pleasing to listen and see him talk. :)
インタビューされてるクリエイターの方たちのチョイスがすごいですね。当時のゲーム界隈をしっかり追っていってる人が選んでる感じがして最高でした
ありがとうございます！
Vivement le sous-titrage francophone!
Japanese have a one of a kind creativity and dedication to perfection I envy. Stay classy Japan, this is why you rock!
Was really worried about the direction of the channel after the rebranding, but if we continue to get content like this I think there isn't anything to worry about
Good to hear you're reassured!
This is so touching. As someone who has played video games for 25 years I feel like this is a journey we are all participating in together in some small way.
This is one of the best things I’ve ever seen. Great job to the everyone that put this together. Listening to all the different creators talk about their games and the industry gives me an inspiration for games that I can’t quite explain, good stuff
Thank you, this really means a lot!
Incredible video. Loads of cool information in the interviews. Top notch editing etc. You can tell the passion and care they've put into this.
Thanks for the kind word!
Wonderful Video.
I was really glad 2016-2017 when so many heavy hitters came from Japan because during the Wii era Japan was really lacking in quantity and quality.
You felt that they were in an identity crisis plus had the struggle to go HD.
I personally enjoy Japanese games much more, because they are just different and I really hope that this trend will continue
I really love Japanese games!! I can even say I'm biggest fan of them!!!
とても面白かったです。
ヨコオさんの「僕みたいにオートセーブやめちゃおうって言えるんですけど」のくだりが印象的でした。
ぼんやり考えていた日本のゲーム業界のイメージが再構築されました。
一プレイヤーとして本当に思いますが、ゲームクリエイターはかっこいいですね。
ここのコメントで、日本のゲームへの海外からの意見を見れるのも楽しいです。
Incredible documentary. We're really in a golden era right now. I haven't seen as many original titles since the PS2 era.
What great video! I only wish From Software got involved. When the discussion revolved around the 2011-2012 era of mobile titles rising in dominance and the thought of consoles not having a future I just couldn't help but think of Dark Souls; how it really changed everything up. It was in 2011 and here was this big new Japanese vision.
However, I did get the impression that a lot of Japanese developers are in contact with each other, in particular the ones in this video. Perhaps From Software are a bit more isolated? I dunno.
Pure gold, as always! Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Great video! Hope they make another Tenchu game and I wonder what is going on with Resident Evil 2 Remake? I'm from the UK and was born in 1984 so have grown up with Japanese media, here in the UK during the 1990s there was a anime boom and it ran alongside a huge increase in Japanese video games a fantastic time and has been really good watching it grow and develop over here
Man, coming to PS3 from the PS1 and PS2 was like a slap in a face. I didn't know what was going on, it looked like they lost heart and soul. Sure there were some good ones, but they weren't owning a market anymore. You barely saw a Japanese title on a top 5 games of the year. A lot of titles were made to appeal to the west but they forgot that people who buy Japanese games play because they are Japanese games. I'm glad they are succeeding with the last two years and are on a rise again.
Really enjoyed this video, even though I haven't played a lot of games this gen. With the possibility of working for a Japanese game company later in the year, it explains some of the interview questions.
Again, great work!
Superb video, it makes me happy that a lot Japanese studios are making great games again like they used to in the 80s and 90s, if I may suggest it would be interesting as well a video about why the anime industry has been stuck with the same genres and not experimenting more like they used to in the past with titles like Evangelion, Lain, Texhnolyze, Ghost in the shell, Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Akira and so on
shaggun that will be an interesting video but i have hope that we will have an anime comeback as well with interesting shows that are a hit in the west but also in Japan.
It's not gonna happen for anime unfortunately, things are only going to get worse as the industry continues to be as chaotic and unstable as ever. The recent wave of anime over production, especially from later 2017-2018 has been absolutely devastating for the overall consistency and quality of seasonal anime, pair that with the death of disc and bluray sales and let's not forget the recent reliance on very unstable foreign streaming money that could be cut off at any point. Not to mention that most original anime productions end up being disasters, and as usual, the industry focuses mostly on manga/LN adaptations and terrible mobile game anime.
21:44 superbunnyhop fans remember!
I love you.
Thank you for this comment it made my week
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Here because Pat from Super Best Friends mentioned it on their podcast. Really great work here.
Thanks for bringing us this video!
Thanks for watching it!
Amazing. Thanks so much for the hard work. Amazing as always.
Thank you!
Thanks for this amazing documentary and keep up the good work guys!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much guys! Really beautiful one, totally made my day!
Thanks for your comment!
what's make Japanese games the best is it always leave deep feelings into your heart
nice video .
Like Yoko Taro said, Japanese have the creative freedom they need.
They're always best for me!!!
They're always best for me!!!
Yoko Taro and Fumito Ueda are the greatest! ❤️
I wished you invited Ueda-san too :/
焦って洋ゲーの真似事ばかりやってた時期があったよね。そこを抜けれたのが大きいと思うわ。
I feel like the Internet (especially CZcams) has done a really good job in promoting a lot of these games being shown here in this video. It seems like in the last 2 - 3 years people are gotten way more connected and are more aware of what is going on in the world when it comes to things like politics and media now more then ever. There are a lot of games that if they came out now they would perform a lot better such as Vanquish and the No More Heroes series. This is also the same thing with films as well. I think if Dredd came out now it would have made a lot more money, especially after the success of Deadpool
Great look into the Japanese game dev scene with creators of some of the biggest games of the last year.
All put together with great production. I hope to see more!
Love this! Try to approach Netflix to get these documentary gems you guys make out into the mainstream 👍
Love the video I hope you make more
Thank you, we sure will
Gravity Rush 2, NieR and Persona 5 were the best games since a long time.
Merci.
Agree, but I would add Yakuza 0 as well. It's amazing.
Amazing stuff! Thank you for the video.
21:09 I think it's funny that the guy's original line was more like "not that we're the Galapos Islands or anything,"
Awesome content!! Thanks for your work :)
Thank you!
A feature that is very well put together. Indeed, Japan has seen an amazing resurgence in the quality of game releases as of late. It's wonderful to have alot of these eclectic creations appearing in new and different forms currently.
damn why you video is so underrated, this so amazingly good
Amazing documentary, thank you so much.
Thank you for watching!
They will always be king I’m playing ninja gaiden and it’s soo timeless from difficulty creativity and overall fun western games became interactive movies instead of games
Obrigado pela legenda em português!
PS3の初期は自然と洋ゲーばっかりやってた事を思い出した。
今は日本のゲームをやる事の方が多くなったげど。
日本のゲームがエネルギーを取り戻し、洋ゲーの面白さも知って、今はとても幸せな状況かもね
Awesome video.. thank you so much guys 🙏
Brilliant video, thank you.
I love the vibes of the video. Nice choices of music.
I'm kind of curious what Keiji Inafune would say about this, considering the things he said in the past.
i almost cried. so many heroes inside
日本でももう日本のゲームは終わったとか言ってる人達がいる
そんなことない。本当に日本のゲーム開発者は頑張ってる
特に2017年は素晴らしいゲームが沢山リリースされた。
The Yakuza developer gets it. The games are successful because they are essentially Japanese games, not because they try to cater to an international audience. That's what Square Enix doesn't seem to understand.
I was re-watching the video and I wondered, Have you considered some kind of a spiritual sequel to this episode?, maybe from the perspective of smaller Japanese companies like Natsume/Atari, Cave, Treasure, G-Rev, SNK? ... I loved this episode but I feel that there are a couple of topics that weren`t addressed enough, like game design itself, maybe dig a little more on that "attention to detail" they mentioned but specifically attention to detail when it comes to game design. Maybe these smaller companies I mentioned could give us an even deeper understanding about the differences between Japanese and Western game design philosophies.
These videos are pure gold btw.
Thanks for the kind word! No sequel per se scheduled at the moment, but may recreate some occasions to discuss the industry via talks between creators, or others.
Another fantastic documentary from you, these will have a lot of historical significance int he future so I'm glad someone is sitting down with all these genius creators from this resurgence of Japanese gaming titles. I hope things stay this way and that Japanese devs don't make the same mistake again by trying to appeal to Westerners. Keep Japanese games Japanese please, since Western ones are really terrible and only becoming worse and worse, especially when it comes to big AAA titles, occasionally there will be an indie game that is great, but for each one of those you have hundreds of downright terrible and forgettable ones.
Thanks for the kind word, it means a lot to us!
I'm so glad someone noticed and decided to make this. Japan was being shat on by everyone as has-beens in the early 2010's. Which broke my heart.
Then they got their ducks in order, and starting with Sonic Generations, in my opinion, started to slowly turn the bad ship around. Then Nintendo came in with the switch and killed it later.
Très bonne vidéo.
Y a plus de sous-titres français ? :( Bon bah je vais les faire dans ce cas
(c'est envoyé)
Merci pour les sous-titres!
Thank's for the subtitles, I'm french 👍
Quien viene por Eurogamer? Gran descubrimiento
Gracias!
Katsura Hashino 8:27,16:45, 20:54, 34:05
Yoko Taro's commentary is particularly hard hitting, but everyone where really put their thoughts out there. really poignant
Without Japan, gaming in its modern form wouldn't exist. Good to see them getting back on their feet.
I watched it twice. At english at russian. Thanks Archipel for great video, thanks Huntoki for rus. translate.
世界観の独創性、キャッチーなBGM、快適な操作性
やっぱ日本のゲームはリアルさを求めないでいい。 リアルなグラフィックは映画がやってる。
Japanese games are super important for the industry and world, they make special think, wee need them so much. ❤️✊🏻
I really hope this is just the tip of the iceberg. This year, I'm really looking forward to Dragon Quest 11, Valkyria Chronicles 4, and hopefully Fire Emblem for Switch.
In the future, I hope we see more IP revivals, like Grandia, Suikoden, Chrono, Shining Force, etc. But, it is important that they stay true to what those series are. Meaning, let Turn-Based games be Turn-Based games. Otherwise, there's no point in reviving them. If they want to make action games, they should either make new IPs, or revive action IPs.
If you want a great title for the Switch, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is one.
Great video, as always.
I hit that Like and added to Watch Later cos I have work in less than 12 hours but this looks like Good Content indeed.
Thanks a lot Patt!
Excellent video!
Thank you!
Problem with last gen is that portable console and mobile games is dominating in Japan. Wii graphic is way behind PS3/X360 and most 3rd party games not doing well for Wii. PS3 is harder to develop and expensive. At same time X360 failed in Japan but X360 is outselling PS3 in some countries like US, UK. So, Japanese developer had to choose between PS3 or X360 as their lead console and at same time they need to develop games for portable console to maintain sales in Japan. But now situation is different. 3DS at end of its lifetime, Vita is not doing well. Switch can play as both home/portable console and graphic is just as good if not better than its competitor. PS4 and XOne use similar architecture and PS4 is dominating. So, Japanese developer can focus most of their resource making one games and port them to all platforms. Mobile game is huge but Japanese developer realized than mobile games wont last long and will be dead once hype gone.
Gravity Rush got was acknowledged! Bless the lord!
good video thank you for sharing
Amazing video. Is there a run-down of the music used? It was excellent.
日本のゲーム業界が抱える事情が伺えて面白かった。
次回は是非ともヨコオタロウ氏が被っている、あのマスクを破壊してほしいｗ
ありがとうございます。ヨコオタロウ氏のマスクですが、実は一個破壊しており、第二版になっています（笑）
あ、知ってます。
確か今のは携帯要素を含んだ二代目なんですよねｗ
ここ数年間、日本のコンシューマーゲームの衰退には危機感を感じます。
日本では課金型のソーシャルゲームが流行り、コンシューマーゲームといえば開発費が高騰。
そうなると、リスクの低いソーシャルゲームに力を入れる会社も増えた。
動画を観てると、クリエイターたちは利益的なものよりも前に、
「自分らが作りたいゲームを作っている」という感じが伝わりますね。
日本人から見ると逆に、
「なぜ海外ユーザーは、近年の日本のコンシューマーゲームに興味を持てたのか？」
という部分に対して疑問に思うところがあります。
任天堂のように、昔から強かったブランドということでもないですからね。
ゲームの技術的な要素とは別に、何かが受け入れられたのかな？、
海外メディアが日本のゲームに注力するようになったのかな？と、
あやふやに思うことはありますね。
龍が如くシリーズのような、日本独特且つ日本ユーザー向けのゲームであっても、
海外ユーザーに理解を示してもらえるようになったのは、
コンシューマーのクリエイターとっては良い風が吹いているのかもしれませんね。
これは2016年度後半より始まったのか？、それは今後も継続するのか？と考えると興味深い内容でした。
Muchas gracias. Realmente lo aprecio.
Gracias por ver!
Praise the Taro, Yoko's false head is now an epic icon of vg creators!!
Praise Emil!
muchas gracias se me a pasado volando el video y eso que es largo jajaja
I feel bad for Gravity Rush :(
I completely agree with everything these wonderful people are saying
I'd take a detailed, stylised game with a nonsensical plot and smaller scale over a million western open worlds with countless hours of unthoughtful drivel and busywork made for the sole reason of making the publisher more fat stacks
Yeah, I hate the emphasis on "realism" and profit in most of western video games. Reality should be the foundation to build up fantasy/sci-fi. There's no reason fantasy/sci-fi has to obey the laws of reality.
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Shame there wasn't much Nintendo representation. Would've been nice to see Koizumi or Aonuma.
What for?, those guys live in a bubble, they have been doing the same thing for the past 3 decades. I don`t see any real insight from anyone from Nintendo.
8-4 is in there.
Good concept!
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Спасибо за просмотр!
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Il n'y aura plus de sous-titres en français ? T.T
Oui je sais , ce n'est pas Toco Toco mais bon...
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I remember that period of Japanese games as when a bunch of weird remakes and sequels were coming out that people wanted to play but couldn't because they were on the DS/PSP. And console games were either samey and niche jrpgs, or skewed in the complete opposite direction for BROWN.
well done, that's the only thing I can say after something like that
How are these videos not all over the gaming websites? It’s beyond me...
Gaming websites are hosted and run by people that hate video games and 99% of game "journalists" actively hate video games and gamers. Seek out independent creators for true content and stop giving these greedy websites traffic and clicks.
" there Is nothing whacky about it. They are just tryin different things ".....
well that was fantastic
This background music! Name? I love ambient!
wow.. so this is what it means when they say Japan is a "high-context" place. I thought they just don't like speak directly and just leave things to interpretation... and that the recipient is the one responsible for knowing the context of their conversation.
Now, i realize it also means spurring imagination, in the fewest words and artwork possible.
Огромное спасибо за видео.