Pathfinder: WotR - Nenio Companion Build - The Fear-Monger
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- One of my favorite companion builds for Nenio in Pathfinder: WotR
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Love the companion builds dude! Not multi-classed to oblivion, also works with their character, and fun! Looking forward to more!
I appreciate how this essentially turns Nenio into Scarecrow
Scare Scroll
On a solid/high DC build revolving around Illusion, Weird is the utter bomb at clearing rooms full of enemies or masses of enemies in open field. Absolute bomb!
Also, Deskari can nearly be one-shot with Phantasmal killer given a high enough DC. Mithrals did it in two-shots in his solo playthrough of a DC sorc/wizard but he admitted that if his initial Phantasmal killer had not been saved against by Deskari, he could have done it in one-shot.
Throwing a spreadsheet up with all the level progression would be sweet. Not sure if you have access to Google docs.
"How would you describe Nenio?"
"Weird"
There is also a robe that adds +2 to the DC of the fortitude save, this is the robe of determination IIRC, which drops from one of the street fights in the abyss (the island across from the slave market, not far from the assimar quest guy) . Not sure if you took the demongraft as well from the arena. That gives another +2 DC. Possibly you did as the 4th level PK has DC 36, from 14 (base) + 10 caster stat (31 int ) + 4 feats + 6 items. Not sure where the other +2 is if it is not the demongraft.
I do love buff spells however, by the time you can buff the entire party they are usually already wearing belts/circlets that give them the same or better in terms of raw stats. Fortunately, Nenio is a wizard so there are no such things as 'wasted spells' while leveling up because she can just cannibalize the scrolls you find or buy to learn every wizard spell in the game. I did a playthrough similar to your build, except I was playing a nine-tailed kitsune Sorcerer to troll enemies with illusion, enchantment and necromantic fear.
The scrolls savant uses his int modifier on scrolls. So you can mass craft phantasmal killer and use the scrolls for an ever higher chance
While not really a fix for Nenio in particular, if you as a player character are wanting to do a build along these lines, Undead Bloodline Sorcerer is actually a better choice than Wizard, as it can use mind-affecting spells on undead due to its Bloodline Arcana. This should, in theory, allow you to use Phantamsal Killer and Weird against undead, which constitute a significant chunk of the enemies with immunity to Phantamsal Killer. Just something to consider.
Sorc is 1 level dip class only, it especially bad for a lich,
Thanks for this. It helped a lot drawing attention to gear and other methods to increase spell DC, as the problem with hostile spells I was having was it felt like rolling with disadvantage to beat both spell resistance and whatever saves the enemies could make.
Now with misfortune and some debuffs from enchantment I feel powerful in a way that isn't just beating mobs over the head with a greatclub.
Nice....another one, glory be to you Lord of Lawful Good!
Lawful good is boring af
Awesome! I’m excited for these builds. I enjoyed your wenduag and ember as well.
Thank you Mortismal for this build video !
I just one-shooted Devarra at party lvl 11 during random encounter with this build. It rocks, so much so I am now affraid I have screw up my quest, since I didn't have Greybor with me and haven't visited Grimwood Forest yet :-(
Ok now I have more foundation for the build. I heard something about phant killer nenio being strong but I’m still figuring out my MC build so Ty for this
I wasn't aware of that build, I'm doing the same thing on a Dirge Bard. On one hand, Bards can only cast 6th level spells (-3 DC compared to a 9th level spell), but on the other hand Dirge Bard's Haunting Refrain gives it +2 up to +5 on the DC of Fear spells, which cancel out the fact that there is no Magician's Ring for Necromancy.
I'm not sure if I can cast Weird from a scroll, but casting Dirge of Doom as a Swift Action for a guaranteed -2 on DC to Will saves for anyone in range, coupled with a Heightened, Persisted Fear as a 6th level spell is very strong, Indeed. With a plus that you can affect undead with it, from Secrets of the Grave.
There is just one question: increasing the caster level doesn't change the DC, doesn't it? This means you don't need to get Spell Mastery, not Mythic School Mastery. I guess it counts for Spell Penetration.
Great build and video, as always
Evil eye from either Ember or Camellia is also a good way to drop down Save DCs, best part of it is that they take the peneality for 1 round even if they make the save.
Oone of my common strats was to evil eye with Ember and PK with Nenio. Also evil eye + slumber combo works really well in the early game.
Nenio didn't impress me in the first two acts so far, but this sounds like a lot of fun build. Thanks for uploading!
I am using this build for my Nenio (core difficulty playthrough + AEON). Adding Nenio with this build to the team, it was a game changer. Superb frontline buff with displacement. Insane instant killing power and area control. I am basically using killer/putrefaction + higher/persistent versions. I was thinking to start the next playthrough as Azata with spellcaster as main character, focused on spell penetration and DC. What would you suggest? My idea is Gnome (Illusion DC), Exploiter Wizard (+2 DC or Spell Penetration as Arcane Exploit).
Nice. Very helpful - thank you :)
another great video, keep up the good work 👍
My build for Nenio ending up pretty similar, picked up Expanded Arsenal: Enchantment for more crowd control (Mind Fog, Confusion, and Hold Monster/Person). Although, the spells dont seem to be as effective as my Illusion spells, so I am not sure if the Mythic feat is working as stated. Bolster meta magic for Magic Missiles, other than that focused on pretty much all the same things.
Normal spell metamagic. Best feat in game
I tried to build something like this in my first playthrough. I was pretty close to it and just missed some of these important gear for the DC boost. Pretty fun.
This is almost exactly how I built her too! Except I put some feats into evocation and used chain lightning a lot too for those pesky enemies immune to mind affecting spells
Good stuff thanks
36 is a lot? I dont know about these preset difficulties because i've just set stuff manually (no enemy stat reduction, normal crits, etc), but 36 DC was nothing in my playthrough.
It is 36 for the lvl 4 version, which is not that great. The lvl 8 version would be with heighten and persistent, and be 38, and require rolling twice. For me the lvl 4 slots are filled with improved invisibility, and the lvl 5 slots with extended improved invisibility. The rolling twice is the real killer, and turns say a 11+ required to save (50% chance) into a 25% chance to succeed as you need to do it twice, and it gets worse from there.
I really love this kind of videos mainly because I want to understand how the game works as I'm pretty new to the dice roll games ... One thing I would hope you would keep in mind for future videos ... I'm still in very early game and I now get the idea that nenio will turn into a fox at some point ??? Kinda a spoiler maybe ?? I'm still very early game as I said so I don't know if it is
Its a prerty mild spoiler since its part of her first companion quest but you can also find out just by looking at her character sheet at any time. But yeah, she's a kitsune (like the creature from Japanese mythology) and can shapeshift into a human form at will.
Her portrait changes depending on what form she's in so she can stay in human form if you prefer it over the fox
@@davidmaxwell4696 I know about the kitsune part since I advanced in the story since that but as a first time player it was a pretty big spoiler especially since that first prologue can take up to 10-14 hours in my case ... I feel like it's way longer than kingmakers prologue
What feat did you choose at level 17?
Metamagic is a little bit strange. I accidentally created level 7 spells under 5 and 6, but can't delete them.
Solution was, to not create one after another, but instead choose the original level 4 spell every time before creating a higher one. But can't delete the faulty ones
You did not mention her headgear, but I assume it was headband of intelligence. But that it was so obvious to D&D players, that you forgot to mention it.
Been on the fence on this one. Dont know if i should wait for more fixes or bite the bullet now. How are the bugs in the game so far?
I’m on my third playthrough I’ve had a couple bugs no real game breaking. The one that cost me a lot of time was a lich bug but it’s been patched already
There are some... nothing that breaks the game. It's fun.
Thanks guys! I just finished Kingmaker so Im really interested in this
Hey bro got the game last month and I went in blind as it’s my first pathfinder game. Had a blast and finished my first Playthru last week. I believe I had one bug that didn’t allow me to do a companion quest (nenios actually lol), either that or I couldn’t find a resource needed to progress the dungeon. That was probs the biggest bug, and I guess some of the fights are bullshit but I was a noob who played on daring difficulty and toned it back down to normal.
Currently on second playthru diff mythic path tho and so far no crazy bugs I think. Except deskari 😂
@@dumplingshakes22 if i may ask, you say you are om your third playthru, im almost 100 hours in My first and feel like i have plenty more, how many hours have you done each playthru?
I tried full scroll savant playthrough with Nenio was fun, tho i realized going all 20 levels is pointless no real gains after 10 so gonna try a 10/10 savant/loremaster build with her this time
Why not use Spell Specialisation instead of Heightened Spell?
can I know the feat you choose for lvl 17? thanks
Interesting, I skipped a lot of Nenio in my first play through but maybe that was a mistake.
Wait... She's a fox?
Great build. I have a lot of trouble with Nenio standing around doing nothing during fights. She does all the pre-buffs and then phantasmal killer on the big guys, but in small trash fights she's using her crossbow a lot more than I'd like (even at high levels).
I use her as pure utility; Blur, Haste, Displacement, etc
This is generally what all spell casters do in D&D. They are control and buffers, for the most part. They only see any action in the hardest battles, because spell casters get very few spells per day they can use. It's not like they have some kind of mana pool and can blast away all day long.
@@droe2570 Depends. My Phantasmal Mage kills stuff, but I make Nenio into a Sage Sorcerer. You can make them more utility based or not.
@@thinking-ape6483 Sure, but that still does not change the fact that you only get a handful of casts, and that the RNG makes the spells unreliable, so you may have to cast PK two or more times on the same mob.
@@droe2570 sure, which is why you try to get DC as high as possible.
Quick quetion. Did you have demongraft on nenio fir rhis build?
Okay cool. But how do I do this + trickster. Like ... I come into a room ... and people are coup de gracing themselves. Dying from fear left and right. Like ... I maniac killer machine trickster.
Sure some enemies will be immune, but that's what the other 5 members are here for. Any ideas ?
I saw something on reddit about being able to use the expanded arsenal mythic and then grabbing spell focus in all the NON-Illusion stuff and that stacking to be able to reach crazy high DCs for Nenio. But some people called it a bug, others didn't, and I have played WotR waaay too much lately to test it out myself. Might be interesting though.
You can do that, but it's very feat heavy.
It should be a bug as it is very silly otherwise. It works with the main character and a legends build, so you have 10 extra feats to spend on it, and you get spell focus/greater spell focus on every other school and have +14 to save DC because of that.
any character/build you recommend for the healer role?
Daeran's the strongest choice what with Mythic Channeling, the various Life Oracle revelations, and automatically learning almost every healing spell in the game (Which he can then cast spontaneously)
Sosiel's a solid choice too, but he'll have fewer spell slots, no fancy revelations, and doesnt benefit as much from Mythic Channeling since it scales off CHA
Seelah's a decent side healer since she gets channel but she gets minimal spells and she's better off focusing on attacking in combat. Still a good healer after combat
After that Id say Camellia, if you get her the Life spirit via Second Spirit. It gives her channel, lets her put healing spells in the Spirit Magic slot, and a couple other things besides
Worst us probably Ember. Her only unique thing is the healing hex which is nice early on but very quickly becomes useless. Otherwise, she's far better if you focus on her damage output since she's an insane blaster. If youre going all in on fire damage btw, I highly recommend a 1 lvl Crossblooded Sorcerer dip (Gold Dragon + Fire bloodlines). It gives a solid boost to her fire spell damage and lets her convert any elemental spell to the fire type so it deals fire damage and benefits from the Elemental Focus feat, its great for spells like chain lightning, icy prison, her damage cantrips, etc.
Does spell specialization applies on heightened spells ?
In Act 1 Ive had fun with Snowball on Normal
wouldn't one level of crossblooded sorcerer help? you could pick the undead bloodline to also affect undead with mind spells (I think illusions are mind-affecting) and the arcane to increase the dc?? (maybe it's caster level Idon't remember) of metamagiced spells, aswell as giving you the option to get the level 20 ability of those bloodlines
There’s no bloodline that increases DC of Phantasmal Killer or Weird (Negative Emotion, Fear). Fey gives +2 to Compulsion and Infernal gives +2 to Charm. Undead allows you to mind-affect undead creatures and Serpentine allows affecting animals, magical beasts and monstrous humanoids.
@@GewalfofWivia arcane increases the DC of metamsgicked spells, so when you persistent a pk it also gets +1 dc
My build for Nenio is: Not-On-My-Team. In this build I leave her on the bench and don't do her quest after beating the game once along with the majority of my companions except ember.
Is doing this build with a merc gnome any better?
Thanks for the video.Can you show your Ember build as well?
Mort has one. It’s posted about a week ago. Thumbnail is “the cauterizing flame”
czcams.com/video/-WP2VnP4AEY/video.html
One question... is the quarterstaff of the warmage better than the staff that is sold in alushynirra that raises caster level for illusion spells?
Yes. Raising the caster level doesn't make the spell any harder to resist, it just makes your caster level higher, meaning you have a better chance to beat spell resistance checks. The warmage makes the actual number they have to beat higher, which is far more effective.
I mean she is still a scroll savant for better or worse if you can't hit someone with phantasmal just blast them with some hellfire ray scrolls or icy prison. Anything really
Not a fan stacking all your cards on Phantasmal killer and illusion school when you can so easily make her more versatile with expanded arsenal with barely any sacrifice to this build.
Caster level doesn't do anything for DC so school mastery(illusion) is close to a wasted mythic feat. I would personally slap favored metamagic persistent and mythic improved initiative somewhere in the build.
Another I'd consider is expanded arsenal for either enchantment or evocation if you want a little more spell diversity in case you run into something that either can't be or is highly unlikely to be affected by phantasmal killer or weird (especially if Nenio is going to be your only pure arcane spellcaster in your group)
It supplements spell pen though, but initiative is good option as well
@@Foefaller Just having few slots of shadow conjuration and evocation + some scrolls and per rest summoning items for consumables slots were enough.
IIRC persistant is not actually on the list of favoured metamagic, this might be a bug. For the lich playthrough wanted to use the 10th level slots for persitant werid, but seems to be not possible.
@@lostsoulltd True, but only up to the 7th level.
I also had my Nenio pick up Ascended Element Ice and filled a few of her 8 and 9 slots with Polar Ray and Icy Prison mass. The Later has been great at taking down mobs of enemies that would have otherwise ignored Weird (particularly all the mummies in The Enigma, which you are expected to bring Nenio along) and I've discovered that mythic demons who revive once during combat don't have any ability drain/damage restored, so killing them with Dex drain means they're still just one dex point away from death even with full hp.
Why is Nenio a fox?
I dont think the bonus to DC from items will stack. Pics or didnt happen.
It does. The DC stuff is all untyped if you read the descriptions. You can also see the DCs change in game if you look in the spellbook.
Untyped bonuses stack. DC bonuses only don't stack if they're enhancement bonuses.
How about you try it yourself. No need for pics.
Does the auto build pick these feats or need to level her myself?
free comment.
can you do videos on the neverwinter nights games. not the mmo the crpg.
They are on my list
How do you deal with enemy resistances and saves in core+? Enemies have such high saves that unless they roll natural 1s they always just save from my spells. Nenio has mythic spell focus and penetration, and she has yet to succeed in an illusion spell. I have yet to see phantasmal killer work, even in weak chaff.
Spellcasters just suck in this game unless you're casting spells to buff yourself.
That's why high difficulties pretty much ruin the game. They take away most of the fun and flexibility. I enjoyed my normal run 10x times more than the one after which was on Core. Halfway through act 2 I had to tweak the difficulty because it just becomes unfun.
I dunno.... Nenio was too loud I kicked her off the party :)
Despite the cool build, this character is ultra lame