I work in a gun store. I tell every customer no matter what gun they buy if they have a problem bring it back and we will make it right. As a dealer I call the manufacturer get a shipping label and send it back. I’ve only had one manufacturer refuse to fix their guns for free so I refunded the customer and ate the lost. I would take the gun back to your FFL and have sig fix it.
I buy at a gun store and it's nice that you do your job right, but as a costumer I want to buy firearms with the least chances of failing when I need it to work properly.
@@northwestmotoadventures999 All have issues, but some have less than others. Same reason why I drive a Toyota. They fail too, but much less than its competitors and that's what many, if not most, your customers would prefer.
UPDATE…….I believe I have found what the issue is. It has nothing to do with the type of casing but rather the bullet itself. Hydra shock, HST and Vcrown all have very deep and wide hollow point cavities. None of these rounds would function in the mags. However The Hornady XTP item 9126 and the Underwood Nosler sporting jacketed hollow point bullets SKU 240 worked flawlessly. If you examine the hollow point cavity of these rounds you will find that the bullets are more tapered toward the the nose of the bullets and are not as wide as the Hydra shock, HST and Vcrown. It appears the the overall circumference of these bullets is sufficient to cause the mag to bind as the tolerances in the Sig mag can’t accommodate the wider cavities. I think the only fix for this would to be to re-design the Sig mag with greater tolerances to work with the wider hollow point cavities. At least for me this is good info and I can go back to carrying the X10 with confidence now as I have both the Hornady and Underwood ammo that function perfectly. I hope this helps the X10 owners.
I just got my XTEN today and have not fired it yet. I have loaded and unloaded both mags with different brands of FMJ ammo and JHP ammo including SIG and have not been able to reproduce this problem. I did not use an Uplula. I loaded them the old fashioned way and it was not difficult. The full mag takes a solid hit with the palm to insert it all the way, but that is no problem either. The slide release works easily and feeds the first round from a full mag every time so far. Hopefully I will get to the range tomorrow and be as fortunate as the OP was with no failures. I went back and played the video again and caught that he said that he shot 200 rounds with no hiccups. I was considering not buying the gun before I heard that, but after hearing that I pulled the trigger. This is my second SIG and the first one has been flawless. The quality is excellent on these guns. My take on this is that It's like when you tell the doctor it hurts when I do this and he says yeah don't do that. Cheers.
After watching this video and reading the comments about the fun being a great shooter, I’m buying one. Sig Sauer stands behind their products and if there is an issue here, I’m sure they will again. Besides, Glock 20 grips feel like a 2x4.
Thanks for making the community aware of the issues you’re having with the Sig X Ten. I would go back to the FFL and let them know with documentation and explanation as to what issues you’re having with your firearm. Between your FFL and Sig you should be able to ge the firearm to where it’s functioning properly regardless whatever 10mm ammo you use. Hope they respond appropriately and handle the issue.
Several folks have asked for another update. I “bit the bullet” and spent a small fortune on hollow points to run through the gun (100 rounds). Using Federal HST and Sig V-Crown I experienced numerous failure to feed malfunctions with the gun. In the end, I ended up selling it to an individual who claimed he could fix the mags.
I've had this problem in other mags that is a double stack that narrows at the top. First take the mag apart and clean out the inside then check the follower and clean up and polish any part of it that touches the mag. then get you some graphite spray and apply it to the follower and inside the mag. What I found is when the ammo is loaded when the spring starts getting tension on it it pushes the first round over to the side and it rides against the side of the mag and causes a wedge effect jamming the mag hence the loose round effect. usually once the mags get broken in there is no problem. I know I'm late to this party but I thought this might help you and I'm getting ready to do this to mine as I'm going out in the morning to pick up my new P320X10. Hope this helps!
I really appreciate you took the time to make this issue known. I was about to pull the trigger on the XTEN, and now I won't. Facts are facts. The gun's got a mag problem and Sig has an attitude problem. Again, many thanks.
I am going to contact sig to see what they will do regarding this. Otherwise I may get rid of it. All the other things as far as ergos go are great but it has to function.
Also sight and accuracy issues. I bought one brand new and that thing is shooting 2-3 inches low! I’ve even shot from 10 feet away at a steel target and it had trouble landing bullseye! Stay away!
It's a common problem with this platform. Sig Sauer designed the grip module to be as slender and ergonomic as the 9mm P320s. But, in doing so, they made made the magazine to an extremely tight tolerance. As a handloader, I have found the maximum Cartridge Overall Length mine functions with is 1.255 inches. Standard manufactured hollowpoints seem to sit at between 1.260 and 1.265 inches. My Glock 20 magazines will feed anything as long as it's 10mm. But my XTEN is pretty much a range gun for me.
Great honest video. The video is solid evidence that there is a problem with the magazines. I agree with you that putting more rounds thru the gun would be a waste of money just to prove the magazine issues which you have cleary shown. Thanks
Same exact issue with mine. Totally disappointed in the Xten. Sending my mags back to Sig for replacements. Hope they work. Also with two types of Sigs ammo
That 'pop' that you hear while adding cartridges to the magazine is the meplat edges of the projectiles physically catching and snagging on the mag-catch holes in the front radiused corners of the magazine tube. Obviously this should not happen with a good design of weapon system. I predict that there will be plenty of slightly-used sig p320 xten's in the LGSs for sale. I also have a new xten, and just received four new magazines from sig. They operate better than the mags that came with the xten, but still the feed is not as strong as I believe it should be. I have not used these new mags yet, so hopefully they operate better than the two included mags. However, after roughly 300 rounds through the xten so far, the two included mags do operate a bit better, even with DoubleTap 200gr HC cartridges, that initially did exactly what you have shown in your mags.... they hung-up the follower every single time. Now they don't so much. The feeding is improving. But I only have four boxes of those DoubleTap 200gr HC, and they are no longer available in my area. I've not had any problems with the Sig elite V-Crown 180gr JHP, nor the MagTech 180gr JHP. I would purchase any form of JHP in 200gr or 220gr, but I've not come across any locally. If I was having as many problems as you are having with the mags, I would try to sell the dang thing and cut my losses before expending too much more money on defensive 10mm ammo that doesn't feed reliably for you. I am almost at that point as well, but I want to try these new mags before I sell-out of Sig permanently. My G20 and G40 are super-reliable and very accurate tanks. And they're inexpensive to do your own modifications to fit your shooting style. I've modified their stock triggers to have a super-short break and reset and both triggers are now better than any other striker-fired pistol I've ever tried. I've been reading that the springfield DX-M Elite 10mm pistol has a VERY nice trigger (I think it's a kinda long pull, though) and holds 16+1 rounds.... with NO ISSUES, except if you dunk it in Alaska's super-fine river silt it may give you mag-feeding issues, but barring that, it sounds like a great weapon. Hope things turn around for you.
I would disassemble the magazines run some fine fibertex or similar up and down inside the magazine 'shells' and do the same thing to the followers. If the fix is to continue shooting and it will fix itself- that suggests there's some sort of rexture in either the inside of the mag or on the follower that may be tool marks or even related to the finish on their surfaces. Polish those surfaces with fibertex or steel wool, in essence accelerating the wear cause by 'just shooting the gun'.
Thank you Ron. I just bought the sig xten 10mm p320. I wish I had seen this video before hand. I sure hope I do not have this issue. I love the trigger , the grip, and the sights, but I will not be able to tolerate anything that hinders efficiency. If I have this issue I'll be trading it back in and going Glock or Springfield. All the best to you and hope you do not have anymore issue at all.
I almost picked one of those up but read a bunch of different things happening and decided against it. Not too pip a bubble, but they tried this 10mm thing once before and it never caught on so I'll just stick to my .45s
I am with you ,I demand 99% reliability out of the box . if I have to shoot hundreds of dollars of ammo to to make it reliable ,it is a poorly designed gun
Any gun you spend a lot of money on from a well known manufacturer should run 100% out of the box. I am a gunsmith and any manufacturer that tells you the gun needs to be “broken in” is full of shit. If it needs to be broken in , break it in at the factory. Due to this, I will not work on any guns that come out of Turkey and some US manufacturers that will not support their guns. With that I think Sig makes really good guns other than they mostly have a lot of moving parts inside and are difficult to completely tear down and reassemble but they usually run just fine. The 320 seems problematic and I strongly feel Sig should buy back all these guns or replace the gun with a different model.
Your magazine hang up issue is due to the follower point engaging in the magazine catch slot. FIX: lightly sand the point of the follower, creating a smooth radius. Your hang up loading will go away. The plus one issue is due to new mag break in. You can speed this up using a wooden dowl rod to run the spring up and down (simulating load/unload) to break in the spring.
A little update. I shot 410 rounds today. 200 LAX FMJ (cycled perfectly, no issues), 150 S&B FMJ (cycled perfectly). 30 Sig Elite Performance 180 gr Carry Ammo (cycled perfectly), and finally 30 Federal HST 200 gr Carry Ammo ..... this was my mag nightmare .... I had feeding issues out of both mags loaded with the HST. Round length was not the issue. The issue seemed to be the ojive of the HST bullet itself. It was significantly less steep when compared to the FMJ and slightly less steep than the Sig Elite Performance. When stacked in the mags, it clearly drags on the sides of the mag, causing enough friction to overcome the spring tension behind it.
Thanks for making the video since I just purchased one a few days ago. Haven't shot it yet but was going to the range with different ammo to test out. One thing I have noticed is the 15 round mag load issue. I will be good running 14 instead of fighting trying to get that 15th round in the clip. If 14+1 rounds of 10mm whatever can't stop something then oh well. Watched several videos and read up on the SIG XTEN but no one mentioned the issue you and a few others in the comments section ran into. Makes me want to stick to my GLOCK20 in the outdoors and use the SIG for the range or get rid of it. I will make a decision after I put a few hundred rounds through it. Haven't had an issue with my GLOCK (runs like a champ) but like the weight and feel of the SIG better and is the reason I purchased it.
I had the same issue. I took it back to the store to see if there was a fix. One of the employees is a competitive shooter. He figured out the issue is with the Sig ammo. Hornady works just fine. I don't know why Sig did not recall the brass cartridges and they have a Notice on them that says they are fine. They are not fine. Try other ammo.
Don't have an XTen or a SIG, but have seen a CZcamsr or two that went through the newest 10mm guns that were released in the last year, and each brand had his issues. Looks like no single company made an extensive test, or bullets vary too much from each maker.
I have the x-ten and I have the same problems with all ammo, it worked fine for the first videos I made and then I left the rounds in the mags for 3 weeks and they were sticking like they did for you. Sig knows about the problem cause they sent me instructions on how to reseat the rounds which didn't work. I looked at the mag follower and found excessive wear on the front and back of the follower showing that the follower is twisting and binding. Other than the mags the gun for me has worked great and has fed all the different ammo and I have put about 500 rounds through it so far and the mags still bind. Great video.
For a range gun, that may be something to live with but I expect this type of gun to be used for self defense and big critters. If it doesn't operate as intended when needed, what good is it. Very disappointed in SIG over this.
Sig... Doing Sig things. They've been trying for years to kill the reputation they spent decades building. The p250 started their QC downfall, the 320 and variants are accelerating it.
That’s a lie, I’ve seen plenty of glocks fail, I’ve on glocks that have failed, I bet u are one of them glock fanboys that when u get a jam or stove pipe or something like that you blame it on the ammo, it’s always the ammos fault, 🤣🤣🤣
I own one also. Basically its a 14 plus one based on the mag design. Haven't had any ammo sensitivity yet. The JHPs i have tried are underwood ammo and prvi partizan.
I feel your pain! Try this…I put 300 rnds threw my X10 not one malfunction and that’s with only putting 14 rnds in the mag ! I’ve talked to sig and they say their springs are built that way and take a break in ! Hope this helps ya !! Amazing gun !!
I've noticed the same thing as the update By Ron Dupuis below, I have noticed that the gold dot and other fat headed HP it looks like they hang up in the cutout of the mag for the mag release! Hornady XTP ammo is more rounded and does not hang up as bad! I sanded the follower and helps, BUT I agree that we should not have issues with mags of this quality. never had any issues with my glock nor my other 320 mags!
I bought a Gen 4 Glock 20 a couple of years ago and never had a problem at all. I did however, change the barrel with a KKM threaded barrel to get rid of the unsupported barrel as well as to shoot hard cast lead rounds. Never had a problem until I put a compensator on the barrel & had many malfunctions. Did put a compensator on my CZ P10C at the same time and also had many malfunctions. When I took off the comps all the malfunctions went away with both guns. Guess you can't trust a comp. Looks like the Glock is still king when it comes to reliability!
I'm a few hundred-ish rounds through my X10 no problems 🤞🤞 I did just get two more X10 mags the other day haven't used them yet we'll see what happens.
Great video. I am up in the air about my next purchase. It will either be the six xten OR the Glock 20 mos. I like the style of this particular sig 10mm. Thanks for the info.
I can see where that would be a problem and in agree with you any quality mag shouldn't do that or need to be broke in. As far as length of bullet it still should function properly with decent name brand ammo especially the sig amo and it a sig. Good luck to you please post again when you figure it out.
I haven't had any trouble with mine. I've put lots of different rounds through mine, but I'm going to do a "stress test" with even more kinds of ammo after seeing this.
Update: Out of curiosity I went and bought some factory 200gr. Federal fusion soft points yesterday. I measured the OAL at 1.250"-1.254" out of a box of 20. Which is within spec. To my surprise! I also encountered the same issue as the author. I haven't experience one issue with my reloads. But I load my ammo to 1.260" max length. Either way, the mag should function with any spec ammo. But it doesn't. At least not with the ammo I bought. I did notice the mag follower will tilt and then bind causing the malfunction. I loaded the mag and emptied several times with the factory ammo and got the malfunction every time. Until I manipulated the way I loaded the mag. In which one shouldn't have to do. So clearly the manufacturer has a design issue with this mag in my opinion. Hopefully they will come up with updated mags in the near future. Because this is unacceptable, and because the issue exists. I personally couldn't trust this as a carry gun.
Alot of this is breakin, had the same issue and considering how much mags cost for the xten i just kept shooting,eventually my mags all broke in. My mags had to be slammed in to seat but eventually broke in on range ammo. I feel your frustration.
If it only happens with hollow points and not round-nosed ammo it's not the follower it's most likely the sharp edge of defensive ammo catching on the front of the magazine if I had to guess the cutout for the magazine catch
Helpful video - so much sunshine being blown up my posterior about this sig, it's useful to hear the negatives. I tend to distrust the first model year of a car, perhaps this first model year of the sig... actually, how long has this been available?
Check the various holes in the magazine. The holes should have been punched from the inside going out so that any burrs are on the OUTSIDE of the magazine. During manufacture the holes are punched while the magazine black is flat. Then the magazine blank is supposed to be formed with the burrs on the outside of the magazine. But if they do not have the magazine blank oriented correctly the burrs can be on the inside of the magazine causing the follower to hang up.
The Glock20 is one of the best platforms for the BIG 10MM... I heard Glock is coming out with the Glock20 Gen5... Look out for that one.... I own the Glock20 Gen4 and absolutely love it...
Every review I’ve seen on this model has been favorable so far. Thanks for sharing your experience and opinion. I would like to add a 10mm to my collection and still will consider this model but there is considerable competition as an alternative option.
I just ran a function test on mine with barnes vortex and other ammo and that catch is the slide scraping across the case as you rack the first round. I haven't run into the mag tension issue yet, but it seems to me the tolerances are off which is a huge deal.
I’m glad I find videos like this when I get a crazy idea about trading my g20 in for something else it sucks because just like my glocks I can pick up a sig and shoot it just as good thanks for the info
I just bought the XDM Elite 4.5 10mm. Was going to buy the Sig but I've seen to many little problems with it. I love Sig , but never buy a first series of any of their guns.😂
Update to my original post… so, I took the magazine out of my XTEN and started to unload the Underwood 165 gr. Gold Dots when I experienced the same issue you explained. After I acquired the pistol, I fired three magazines worth of the Gold Dots and they ran just fine. Haven’t fired a magazine after it has been loaded w carry ammo, but thinking I need to do that next trip to the range. Yes, that is expensive, and worse, the ammo is out of stock so can’t replace what I shoot.
One of the biggest reasons I am not buying a p365xl and going for the Hellcat Pro is because the production quality of SIg has dropped off considerably since they got the Army contract. If you pay attention you will see that most every new model of SIG has a problem. The only ones that I will buy are a P226 or a p229. I feel as if SIG is getting to cute and putting out too many products without really doing the R&D
I’m almost certain that because the other rounds are shorter, the follower is becoming bound against the magazine housing with the additional movement of the round and the flex of the spring. Have you tried alternating range & carry ammunition in the magazine on the bench? I’d look into different (heavier) magazine springs because those seem too weak. You may be able to add a shim behind the spring on the primer side of the rounds to lessen the follower movement (tilt) in the magazine.
I had the same problem with mags for a RIA 10mm. I found the follower would hang up on an opening in the mag tube. (Only way I can describe it.) I took out the followers and carefully sanded off a little material with 1000 grit sand paper and tested. Took 3 tries and got it to work. I'll need to try different larger hole hollow points to see if these mags behave the same. If SIG can't produce products that are reliable or supported they're going to lose business.
I used a Sig Xten and had none of these issues. Full mag needed a small "tap" to get in there but there are plenty of guns with that issue. Sorry you had some problems!
FYI, it was extremely difficult to retract the slide over a magazine loaded to capacity on my P365. The cure was to polish the stripper rail. I cut thin strips of wet or dry silicone carbide sandpaper of various grits and then wet sanded the stripper rail. I used the eraser end of a pencil to move the sandpaper back on forth along the stripper rail. After polishing, it is only slightly more difficult to retract the slide over a magazine loaded to capacity than it is to retract the slide on an empty magazine. Check the surface finish of your stripper rail. It may simply be rough ground and not polished.
I dont think its OAL per se, but that the edge of the hollow point front is wider than the radius of the inside of the magazine allows. Basically the rounded front of a fmj bullet is "tucked in" compared to the wide flat vorner of the hollow point that reaches into the corner of the mag and rubs against the radius. Thats one theory anyway. Could also be that there is just too little clearance and the hollow point will bind if it tilts any. Either way, this shouldnt be happening.
Just got my SIG P320 XTEN. I put in the hollow points and it did the exact same thing it did to your XTEN, multiple times with both magazines. So I experimented. I noticed if I put in 7 regular rounds, FMJ first in the magazine and then put in 7 hollow points, where they end up on top of the magazine, it will not jam. Both my magazines will only hold 14 rounds, not 15, not sure why.
I have the same exact issue. And for a $900 handgun it should not have this mag issue. Mine I can’t even load all 15 rounds of self defense. And it rattles every time. Haven’t had a cycle problem yet but I’ve only fired about 30 rounds. Thinking about going back to where I got it from
Not sure if Mecgar makes mags for the XTen yet or not but I use Mecgars exclusively in both my Sigs. Mecgar use to be the manufacturer for Sig mags but at some point Sig started manufacturing their own. Hate to hear you are having this issue but I wonder if replacing the spring and follower all together would solve the issues. On another note Sig Sauer has really been in the striker fired business very long...so there may be something to be said for that.
That's really strange I think I'd rather get a different 10mm instead of this now. I've got a .45acp and the magazines were only hard to get the rounds in when they were new is the only problem
I'd say don't modify the follower. From what you were showing, it does not appear that the follower is binding -- it's the cartridges themselves that are. The cartridges in these mags are stacked in a staggered fashion, and gradually progress from 1.5-stack to almost single stack. The key word is "gradually", and in this case, two cartridges at some level in the mag (it seems to be almost always the same place) must be essentially crowing the same space -- and getting stuck. Hence hypothesis #1: There's too much horizontal space in the mag to accommodate different lengths of 10 mm rounds, and the follower is "too horizontal", which results in some shorter rounds at some place in the mag being too far forward and competing for the same space. Test #1: What if you load them while deliberately pressing their butts to the back of the mag? This should simulate longer rounds and theoretically prevent binding, at least in these "laboratory conditions".
Test #2: Load 14 rounds max, then unload and check for malfunction. Repeat with 13, 12, etc. until you get a number that reliably can be loaded into a mag and unloaded from it.
Test #3: Cut a strip of thin metal, like a beer can, as wide as the front of the mag and as tall as the wide portion of the mag. Place the strip at the front of the mag. Load the mag and check if the problem is present. Theoretically, this would no allow the shorter rounds to move from their positions, crowd the front of the mag, and consequently bind.
Many years ago I got rid of a XD full size in 45 because it would not shoot aggressive holy points or semi wadcutters. Everyone started suggesting to do work on the feed ranmp and bend the lips on the mags.....nope sold it, moved on and never looked at another Springfield.
Agree. I expect a gun to work as intended for self defense against two-legged and big critters when called upon. If it doesn't function because of this or that, then what good is it.
if i install a full mag with the slide closed and try to chamber a round, it locks the slide back and putts a huge dent it the case if i hit it to close the slide. Iv only ran Federal AE and Sig fmj in it so far. I just got some HST for it. ill go load it and see what mine does. Update #1 Just tried it. the HST is too long and the 6th round hits the front lip of the mag. Cant inset the 7th round by hand. Im sure the bang is the round holding up and getting force pass the lip of your mag. I had to pay $2.26 a round and bought 100 rounds of HST and It wont go in the gun. 🤬🤬 Update #2. I just chambered the 6th round and then put it back in the mag. Now I can load all 15 just fine with no rattle but the mag hangs up on the 3rd round unloading by hand. If i unload it by racking the slide back all load just fine. It dark out so i cant go out to do any shooting
I was the one prior that told you I had the exact same problem. Me and a buddy of mine tonight was in his garage Just for kicks and giggles got his belt sander out took some hollow points and put the end of the bullet on the Sandpaper and took off about approximately 1/16 of an inch off of the bullet. Put it back in the clip fill the clips up three or four times shot them no problem whatsoever. Did not have one hang up none of the bullets no rattled in the clip problem completely disappeared. Should you have to do that no you should not but it did make the problem go away 100%.
One other thing I forgot to tell you do not worry about that gun going off automatically that whole firing mechanism pin guts everything has been changed it will not go off if you drop it the problem was in 2017 and 18 said completely changed that so do not worry about that gun going off accidentally it will not we have already tested it we've smacked it with the fiberglass handle we have dropped it on cardboard and concrete the gun will not go off of course we took the lead out of the shell first but the gun will not go off you're safe.
I have this and wish I saw all this before picking it up. I picked mine up just a month ago and you’d think these issues would have been resolved by now. I’ve been able to shoot both target and hollow points and don’t think I have the feed issue. but my main issue currently is just not being able to have 15 rounds in the mag and be able to seat it with out the slide being open
Have you sent this video to Sig? I wish I had seen your video beforehand cus I just bought a P320 XTen yesterday! Haven't shot it yet but plan to this weekend. I ordered some Underwood 140gr Xtreme Penetrator last night. Sure hope they don't experience the issues you did. That stuff is $2.33 per round....
I think Sig tried to slim the magazines down too much to make for a more ergonomic grip but consequently neutered the pistol so that it won't function properly with the heavier loads that make the 10mm so great. I have a hard time believing that 220 grain hard cast buffalo bore would work in this gun given the magazine problems I've heard of so far.
I've got about 750 through mine, zero issues. 2/3 are my reloads. 180 and 200 grains and HOT. Mine is wonderful, couldn't be happier. Most of the issues I've read about are from boutique ammo companies like underwood and Buffalo bore. Nothing against them, but in my experience those types of loads are best when it's truly custom load for a particular gun.
What does SIG have to say about these issues? I just purchased this model over the Glock 20 because of the extra features and it fit very nice and the reviews were great I just happen to find these videos having the same mag issues but not one of them mentioned contacting SIG I did read one comment saying that SIG mailed out replacement mags and one person returned the weapon not wanting to deal with it! What’s up SIG?
Just an idea- try out a Tanfoglio/Witness 10mm mag in there. Those are good mags, never had an issue with them, and while similar to the SIG mags, IDK if they are close enough to do the job. I feel your frustration. SiG unfortunately should have worked through all the kinks before releasing this pistol. Heaven knows you are not the first one to have the same issues with the X ten.
@@TheCenturion8404 Wow. Thanks for the info.. Mecgar makes a great product generally speaking, so that surprises me- unless it was a snafu in design from Sig.
@@ryanreay4167 absolutely was a snafu, I called mecgar USA and said xten mags are made in Italy and I got the impression it was a can of worms they wanted no part of. Sig CS blamed ammo and I said go get a box off your shelf and try it out, you are in CS after all and should attempt to validate or disprove these complaints, (crickets) well I just run the phones here and will push this up to management and I said I doubt it. I may try a 320 .45 acp mag, my WC CQB 1911 runs best with the .45 XTM magazines so we will see. I’m hoping sig fixes this on their own, I’m hopeful because the tangfoglio witness 10mm also mecgar magazines fit in the magazine well with appropriate space. Here’s the rub though, the COAL is the issue in the sig mag right? The sig mags are longer then the tangfoglios.
So I'm having this same exact issue... except it only seems to happen with SIG JHP with the brass casing. The nickel casings give me no issue... Hornaday jhp work just fine also.
Thank you for the video! This might be partially why magazines are out-of-stock everywhere. More on magazines in a sec. I have two XTENS and 9 magazines. The first pistol has two malfunctions on its resume with less than 1k rds. fired and the other has none. I'll surpass 3k rds. fired this Saturday. I mostly shoot MagTech 180 gr. FMJ (at the time of purchase, least expensive I could find in bulk) and carry/shoot Underwood 165 gr. Gold Dots. A fully loaded magazine is difficult to load, so those quiet, tactical reloads are out of the equation. I'd recommend keeping all mags loaded even away from the range IOT "help" the spring tension issue. I'm beyond impressed as to how small the 15-rd. magazines are especially compared to my G20 and SA XDM Elite mags. With that, the magazine might benefit from being 2-3mm longer? I'm not an engineer, so not sure why the mag issues. With the revamped 15-16 rd. magazines (pure speculation), I'd love to see 20 or more round magazines become available. Otherwise, Springer Precision extensions it is. My "issue" with the first XTEN is slide wobble when the magazine is out and striker is at rest. SIG looked at it and said it's within normal specifications. My second XTEN is awesome and doesn't exhibit that irritating wobble, nor does my 13 other P320 variants, smh.
If the issue is with a specific ammo type: measure with a micrometer, I’ll bet they’re longer than your range ammo that cycles; you might be able to find a shorter OAL defense round.
I have a brand new Sig P320 X-TEN. I have a hard time loading the 15th round in the mag and then getting the mag to snap into the gun. 14 Rounds runs fine,. Having said that my gun does not always load the round into the chamber and it seems to always happen when there are 5-10 rounds left in the mag. The dealer told me that it is "ME" not holding my hand stiff enough with the recoil and that the jerking back in the recoil process was taking the length off of the slide run for a full ejection and reload. Having said that this is the first gun I have ever bought. I too obtained it just to be out fishing and hiking in bear country. For notes; I have shot only about 300 rounds through my gun, using either Sellier & Bellot or Blazer 180 gr FMJ. If you have any suggestions, me please let me know.
I have had a GLOCK 20 "10mm" for a while now just for the same purpose of carrying when fishing, hiking and hunting. Ran all types of ammo with no problems. GLOCK20 just feels like a 2x4 and the SIG feels better. Purchased the SIG a few days ago to replace the GLOCK20 for outdoor use but after this video, other comments and yours, I will stick with my GLOCK20 just for the satisfaction of knowing if I do need it against big critters or two-legged that it will function as intended. Whatever you go with, check out Paradise Valley Leather chest holsters. Works well for waders, backpacks and jackets. Found it to work the best in always having the gun with me even when setting up camp, cooking, bathroom. Always want to have gun available not a few feet away laying on a log especially in bear country.
I have an xten and i run absolutely nothing but sig vcrown and federal hst and my magazines dont do anythint like this. Worst thing my magazine has done is the spring is tight and needs broken in so its stiff to get locked into the gun with the slide in battery.
I think sig tried to keep the grip as small as possible and didn’t allow for longer of wider tip rounds. To me you just need to figure out what works best and use that. You can’t beat the feel of the grip on the xten
I know I'll sound dumb but can anyone educate me why the barrel of most polymer frame pistols lifts from front (unlike the full metal pistols) when the slider is in full back position?
I own this firearm as well. First sig of my collection and never again! I had it jam, way off on accuracy, the 15th rounds is ignorant to get in and having the jam the mag in the get it to lock is dumb. You would think a manufacturer of this caliber you should not have these issues it should all be smooth. I'm sticking to my beretta and FN
So disappointing, I bought an xten for my first gun (camping/bears). What is weird is I have the same exact range ammo as you and that was getting hung up in the mag. Underwood High Performance (Red tips) 200gr are filtering through like butter (so opposite results as far as the range ammo). I wish I would have known this before I purchased this gun...
You send this video to Sig. I will never buy one a Sig Striker Fired Handguns. on no Level. They beta test firearms with their customers. Sig hammer fired guns, I would. You still should try shooting the hollow tips. when I first got my Glock 27, Gen 5, without firing the gun, I like to cycle the rounds Through the gun to make sure it feeds properly. The ball ammo cycle properly. The hollow tips wouldn't. But when I went to the range and shot the gun all of the hollow tips fed properly, I had the same SIG Vcrown hollow tips that you have. but in 40. I also made a video about it.
If it's just the magazine, it's not a major issue. You jump around with different ammo brands and that might be 100% of your issue. Call Sig and I bet they'll fix your issue.
I think it’s a ammo QC issue. Not necessarily the mag. I’d take a caliper and measure the OAL of each round . If you measure considerably more than 1.260” I’d pretty much bet that will cause an issue with hang-ups in the mag.
@@Adubz819 yup, that’s odd. I haven’t experienced the issue in mine as of yet. But I do load and noticed there’s barely any clearance left in the mag loading to 1.260 OAL. Either way, it’s unacceptable for the mag to be functioning like that.
I work in a gun store. I tell every customer no matter what gun they buy if they have a problem bring it back and we will make it right. As a dealer I call the manufacturer get a shipping label and send it back. I’ve only had one manufacturer refuse to fix their guns for free so I refunded the customer and ate the lost. I would take the gun back to your FFL and have sig fix it.
I buy at a gun store and it's nice that you do your job right, but as a costumer I want to buy firearms with the least chances of failing when I need it to work properly.
@@xithappens I agree but all have issues sometimes. Good manufacturer fix their mistakes and stand behind their products.
Good man!
@@northwestmotoadventures999 All have issues, but some have less than others. Same reason why I drive a Toyota. They fail too, but much less than its competitors and that's what many, if not most, your customers would prefer.
@@xithappens wow wow wow , you just crossed the chaos line . You leave Toyota out of this ☝🏾 .
UPDATE…….I believe I have found what the issue is. It has nothing to do with the type of casing but rather the bullet itself. Hydra shock, HST and Vcrown all have very deep and wide hollow point cavities. None of these rounds would function in the mags. However The Hornady XTP item 9126 and the Underwood Nosler sporting jacketed hollow point bullets SKU 240 worked flawlessly. If you examine the hollow point cavity of these rounds you will find that the bullets are more tapered toward the the nose of the bullets and are not as wide as the Hydra shock, HST and Vcrown. It appears the the overall circumference of these bullets is sufficient to cause the mag to bind as the tolerances in the Sig mag can’t accommodate the wider cavities. I think the only fix for this would to be to re-design the Sig mag with greater tolerances to work with the wider hollow point cavities. At least for me this is good info and I can go back to carrying the X10 with confidence now as I have both the Hornady and Underwood ammo that function perfectly. I hope this helps the X10 owners.
Thanks for adding this!
Federal 200 gr HST worked for me as well. It has narrow cavity as well. Had same issues with wider cavity hollow points.
200gr hst was doing that in my mag 😑
I would prefer to be able to use any kind of round I choose to
Great info. Thanks for sharing..
I just got my XTEN today and have not fired it yet. I have loaded and unloaded both mags with different brands of FMJ ammo and JHP ammo including SIG and have not been able to reproduce this problem. I did not use an Uplula. I loaded them the old fashioned way and it was not difficult. The full mag takes a solid hit with the palm to insert it all the way, but that is no problem either. The slide release works easily and feeds the first round from a full mag every time so far. Hopefully I will get to the range tomorrow and be as fortunate as the OP was with no failures. I went back and played the video again and caught that he said that he shot 200 rounds with no hiccups. I was considering not buying the gun before I heard that, but after hearing that I pulled the trigger. This is my second SIG and the first one has been flawless. The quality is excellent on these guns. My take on this is that It's like when you tell the doctor it hurts when I do this and he says yeah don't do that. Cheers.
After watching this video and reading the comments about the fun being a great shooter, I’m buying one. Sig Sauer stands behind their products and if there is an issue here, I’m sure they will again. Besides, Glock 20 grips feel like a 2x4.
Sig lies and is very difficult to deal with if you send something back.
Thanks for making the community aware of the issues you’re having with the Sig X Ten. I would go back to the FFL and let them know with documentation and explanation as to what issues you’re having with your firearm. Between your FFL and Sig you should be able to ge the firearm to where it’s functioning properly regardless whatever 10mm ammo you use. Hope they respond appropriately and handle the issue.
Thanks for posting. Just bought my Xten this past weekend and I'm having the exact same problem.
Welcome to the sig research &development department!
Several folks have asked for another update. I “bit the bullet” and spent a small fortune on hollow points to run through the gun (100 rounds). Using Federal HST and Sig V-Crown I experienced numerous failure to feed malfunctions with the gun. In the end, I ended up selling it to an individual who claimed he could fix the mags.
@@UtahGoinBIGWhat does “learning how to shoot” have to do with a feed issue?
Sorry, man, that is rediculous. Is Rossi and Taurus now making better pistols than Sig , WTH ?
@@UtahGoinBIGWhat bullet weights, brands, and bullet types were your 1000 flawless rounds? Also, you sound like a girl.
I've had this problem in other mags that is a double stack that narrows at the top. First take the mag apart and clean out the inside then check the follower and clean up and polish any part of it that touches the mag. then get you some graphite spray and apply it to the follower and inside the mag. What I found is when the ammo is loaded when the spring starts getting tension on it it pushes the first round over to the side and it rides against the side of the mag and causes a wedge effect jamming the mag hence the loose round effect. usually once the mags get broken in there is no problem. I know I'm late to this party but I thought this might help you and I'm getting ready to do this to mine as I'm going out in the morning to pick up my new P320X10. Hope this helps!
I really appreciate you took the time to make this issue known. I was about to pull the trigger on the XTEN, and now I won't.
Facts are facts. The gun's got a mag problem and Sig has an attitude problem.
Again, many thanks.
I am going to contact sig to see what they will do regarding this. Otherwise I may get rid of it. All the other things as far as ergos go are great but it has to function.
Glock 40mos it is…. I’ve had about 8 sig pistols not a Sig hater whatsoever they just dropped the ball on $50 magazines
@@MrDeLeon321 G40 all day long FTW.
Also sight and accuracy issues. I bought one brand new and that thing is shooting 2-3 inches low! I’ve even shot from 10 feet away at a steel target and it had trouble landing bullseye! Stay away!
It's a common problem with this platform. Sig Sauer designed the grip module to be as slender and ergonomic as the 9mm P320s. But, in doing so, they made made the magazine to an extremely tight tolerance. As a handloader, I have found the maximum Cartridge Overall Length mine functions with is 1.255 inches. Standard manufactured hollowpoints seem to sit at between 1.260 and 1.265 inches. My Glock 20 magazines will feed anything as long as it's 10mm. But my XTEN is pretty much a range gun for me.
How sad. Sig's quality and reputation is slipping. I never thought I'd see that from Sig.
Great honest video. The video is solid evidence that there is a problem with the magazines. I agree with you that putting more rounds thru the gun would be a waste of money just to prove the magazine issues which you have cleary shown. Thanks
Same exact issue with mine. Totally disappointed in the Xten. Sending my mags back to Sig for replacements. Hope they work. Also with two types of Sigs ammo
That 'pop' that you hear while adding cartridges to the magazine is the meplat edges of the projectiles physically catching and snagging on the mag-catch holes in the front radiused corners of the magazine tube. Obviously this should not happen with a good design of weapon system.
I predict that there will be plenty of slightly-used sig p320 xten's in the LGSs for sale.
I also have a new xten, and just received four new magazines from sig. They operate better than the mags that came with the xten, but still the feed is not as strong as I believe it should be. I have not used these new mags yet, so hopefully they operate better than the two included mags.
However, after roughly 300 rounds through the xten so far, the two included mags do operate a bit better, even with DoubleTap 200gr HC cartridges, that initially did exactly what you have shown in your mags.... they hung-up the follower every single time. Now they don't so much. The feeding is improving. But I only have four boxes of those DoubleTap 200gr HC, and they are no longer available in my area.
I've not had any problems with the Sig elite V-Crown 180gr JHP, nor the MagTech 180gr JHP. I would purchase any form of JHP in 200gr or 220gr, but I've not come across any locally.
If I was having as many problems as you are having with the mags, I would try to sell the dang thing and cut my losses before expending too much more money on defensive 10mm ammo that doesn't feed reliably for you. I am almost at that point as well, but I want to try these new mags before I sell-out of Sig permanently.
My G20 and G40 are super-reliable and very accurate tanks. And they're inexpensive to do your own modifications to fit your shooting style. I've modified their stock triggers to have a super-short break and reset and both triggers are now better than any other striker-fired pistol I've ever tried.
I've been reading that the springfield DX-M Elite 10mm pistol has a VERY nice trigger (I think it's a kinda long pull, though) and holds 16+1 rounds.... with NO ISSUES, except if you dunk it in Alaska's super-fine river silt it may give you mag-feeding issues, but barring that, it sounds like a great weapon.
Hope things turn around for you.
I would disassemble the magazines run some fine fibertex or similar up and down inside the magazine 'shells' and do the same thing to the followers. If the fix is to continue shooting and it will fix itself- that suggests there's some sort of rexture in either the inside of the mag or on the follower that may be tool marks or even related to the finish on their surfaces. Polish those surfaces with fibertex or steel wool, in essence accelerating the wear cause by 'just shooting the gun'.
Thank you Ron. I just bought the sig xten 10mm p320. I wish I had seen this video before hand. I sure hope I do not have this issue. I love the trigger , the grip, and the sights, but I will not be able to tolerate anything that hinders efficiency. If I have this issue I'll be trading it back in and going Glock or Springfield. All the best to you and hope you do not have anymore issue at all.
I almost picked one of those up but read a bunch of different things happening and decided against it. Not too pip a bubble, but they tried this 10mm thing once before and it never caught on so I'll just stick to my .45s
I am with you ,I demand 99% reliability out of the box . if I have to shoot hundreds of dollars of ammo to to make it reliable ,it is a poorly designed gun
Exactly
Any gun you spend a lot of money on from a well known manufacturer should run 100% out of the box. I am a gunsmith and any manufacturer that tells you the gun needs to be “broken in” is full of shit. If it needs to be broken in , break it in at the factory. Due to this, I will not work on any guns that come out of Turkey and some US manufacturers that will not support their guns. With that I think Sig makes really good guns other than they mostly have a lot of moving parts inside and are difficult to completely tear down and reassemble but they usually run just fine. The 320 seems problematic and I strongly feel Sig should buy back all these guns or replace the gun with a different model.
Your magazine hang up issue is due to the follower point engaging in the magazine catch slot. FIX: lightly sand the point of the follower, creating a smooth radius. Your hang up loading will go away. The plus one issue is due to new mag break in. You can speed this up using a wooden dowl rod to run the spring up and down (simulating load/unload) to break in the spring.
A little update. I shot 410 rounds today. 200 LAX FMJ (cycled perfectly, no issues), 150 S&B FMJ (cycled perfectly). 30 Sig Elite Performance 180 gr Carry Ammo (cycled perfectly), and finally 30 Federal HST 200 gr Carry Ammo ..... this was my mag nightmare .... I had feeding issues out of both mags loaded with the HST.
Round length was not the issue. The issue seemed to be the ojive of the HST bullet itself. It was significantly less steep when compared to the FMJ and slightly less steep than the Sig Elite Performance. When stacked in the mags, it clearly drags on the sides of the mag, causing enough friction to overcome the spring tension behind it.
Thanks for making the video since I just purchased one a few days ago. Haven't shot it yet but was going to the range with different ammo to test out. One thing I have noticed is the 15 round mag load issue. I will be good running 14 instead of fighting trying to get that 15th round in the clip. If 14+1 rounds of 10mm whatever can't stop something then oh well. Watched several videos and read up on the SIG XTEN but no one mentioned the issue you and a few others in the comments section ran into. Makes me want to stick to my GLOCK20 in the outdoors and use the SIG for the range or get rid of it. I will make a decision after I put a few hundred rounds through it. Haven't had an issue with my GLOCK (runs like a champ) but like the weight and feel of the SIG better and is the reason I purchased it.
I had the same issue. I took it back to the store to see if there was a fix. One of the employees is a competitive shooter. He figured out the issue is with the Sig ammo. Hornady works just fine. I don't know why Sig did not recall the brass cartridges and they have a Notice on them that says they are fine. They are not fine. Try other ammo.
Further update, it seems to only be certain lots of the Sig ammo that does not work. I have another box with a different date on it and it is fine.
Thanks, you made my mind up was looking at SIG X-10.
But after watching the 2 videos NO SIG X-10 FOR ME I DON'T NEED AMY HEADACHES.
GOOD LUCK
Don't have an XTen or a SIG, but have seen a CZcamsr or two that went through the newest 10mm guns that were released in the last year, and each brand had his issues. Looks like no single company made an extensive test, or bullets vary too much from each maker.
I was thinking about buying a 10mm. Thanks for your very informative video.
I was about to buy one this month. I won’t now. Thank you for taking the time to shoot this video.
I have the x-ten and I have the same problems with all ammo, it worked fine for the first videos I made and then I left the rounds in the mags for 3 weeks and they were sticking like they did for you. Sig knows about the problem cause they sent me instructions on how to reseat the rounds which didn't work. I looked at the mag follower and found excessive wear on the front and back of the follower showing that the follower is twisting and binding. Other than the mags the gun for me has worked great and has fed all the different ammo and I have put about 500 rounds through it so far and the mags still bind. Great video.
For a range gun, that may be something to live with but I expect this type of gun to be used for self defense and big critters. If it doesn't operate as intended when needed, what good is it. Very disappointed in SIG over this.
@@mojomanmurph1925 I agree, I hunt with the 10mm and would be very upset if it didn't go boom. For the price I expect Sig to be top notch.
Sig... Doing Sig things.
They've been trying for years to kill the reputation they spent decades building.
The p250 started their QC downfall, the 320 and variants are accelerating it.
That's why I like glocks. 100% reliable.
That’s a lie, I’ve seen plenty of glocks fail, I’ve on glocks that have failed, I bet u are one of them glock fanboys that when u get a jam or stove pipe or something like that you blame it on the ammo, it’s always the ammos fault, 🤣🤣🤣
I own one also. Basically its a 14 plus one based on the mag design. Haven't had any ammo sensitivity yet. The JHPs i have tried are underwood ammo and prvi partizan.
Yep I've run a ton of Underwood 200gr hollow points and hard cast with no problem. This gun is good-to-go in my book.
I've been doing research on several different 10mms ...i was considering the X10 but i think I'll wait till Sig fixes the issue.
I feel your pain! Try this…I put 300 rnds threw my X10 not one malfunction and that’s with only putting 14 rnds in the mag ! I’ve talked to sig and they say their springs are built that way and take a break in ! Hope this helps ya !! Amazing gun !!
I've noticed the same thing as the update By Ron Dupuis below, I have noticed that the gold dot and other fat headed HP it looks like they hang up in the cutout of the mag for the mag release! Hornady XTP ammo is more rounded and does not hang up as bad! I sanded the follower and helps, BUT I agree that we should not have issues with mags of this quality. never had any issues with my glock nor my other 320 mags!
I bought a Gen 4 Glock 20 a couple of years ago and never had a problem at all. I did however, change the barrel with a KKM threaded barrel to get rid of the unsupported barrel as well as to shoot hard cast lead rounds. Never had a problem until I put a compensator on the barrel & had many malfunctions. Did put a compensator on my CZ P10C at the same time and also had many malfunctions. When I took off the comps all the malfunctions went away with both guns. Guess you can't trust a comp. Looks like the Glock is still king when it comes to reliability!
Yea after you had to buy a whole other barrel
I'm a few hundred-ish rounds through my X10 no problems 🤞🤞 I did just get two more X10 mags the other day haven't used them yet we'll see what happens.
Great video. I am up in the air about my next purchase. It will either be the six xten OR the Glock 20 mos. I like the style of this particular sig 10mm. Thanks for the info.
I can see where that would be a problem and in agree with you any quality mag shouldn't do that or need to be broke in. As far as length of bullet it still should function properly with decent name brand ammo especially the sig amo and it a sig. Good luck to you please post again when you figure it out.
I haven't had any trouble with mine. I've put lots of different rounds through mine, but I'm going to do a "stress test" with even more kinds of ammo after seeing this.
P365 with full clip is hard to insert as well. No problem with ammo falling out though
Update: Out of curiosity I went and bought some factory 200gr. Federal fusion soft points yesterday. I measured the OAL at 1.250"-1.254" out of a box of 20. Which is within spec. To my surprise! I also encountered the same issue as the author. I haven't experience one issue with my reloads. But I load my ammo to 1.260" max length. Either way, the mag should function with any spec ammo. But it doesn't. At least not with the ammo I bought. I did notice the mag follower will tilt and then bind causing the malfunction. I loaded the mag and emptied several times with the factory ammo and got the malfunction every time. Until I manipulated the way I loaded the mag. In which one shouldn't have to do. So clearly the manufacturer has a design issue with this mag in my opinion. Hopefully they will come up with updated mags in the near future. Because this is unacceptable, and because the issue exists. I personally couldn't trust this as a carry gun.
My thoughts exactly. Sig needs to step up Now.
Alot of this is breakin, had the same issue and considering how much mags cost for the xten i just kept shooting,eventually my mags all broke in. My mags had to be slammed in to seat but eventually broke in on range ammo. I feel your frustration.
I just tried underwood with smaller hollow point,they work great
If it only happens with hollow points and not round-nosed ammo it's not the follower it's most likely the sharp edge of defensive ammo catching on the front of the magazine if I had to guess the cutout for the magazine catch
Helpful video - so much sunshine being blown up my posterior about this sig, it's useful to hear the negatives. I tend to distrust the first model year of a car, perhaps this first model year of the sig... actually, how long has this been available?
Check the various holes in the magazine. The holes should have been punched from the inside going out so that any burrs are on the OUTSIDE of the magazine. During manufacture the holes are punched while the magazine black is flat. Then the magazine blank is supposed to be formed with the burrs on the outside of the magazine. But if they do not have the magazine blank oriented correctly the burrs can be on the inside of the magazine causing the follower to hang up.
Thanks for the info - maybe I'll look into the G20.
The Glock20 is one of the best platforms for the BIG 10MM... I heard Glock is coming out with the Glock20 Gen5... Look out for that one.... I own the Glock20 Gen4 and absolutely love it...
Every review I’ve seen on this model has been favorable so far. Thanks for sharing your experience and opinion. I would like to add a 10mm to my collection and still will consider this model but there is considerable competition as an alternative option.
@@UtahGoinBIGThere are other people in the comment section also having issues. I suppose it’s because unlike you, they are all incompetent.
@@UtahGoinBIGit’s happening to so many people, mine does it too only with hollow points. As does a ton of them so can’t be rubbish.
Get yourself a Glock.
@@tonyenglish5153 I work for sig , buy the P220 leagon in 10MM single action only , it only holds 8 rounds in a mag but its a lot nicer gun .
I just ran a function test on mine with barnes vortex and other ammo and that catch is the slide scraping across the case as you rack the first round. I haven't run into the mag tension issue yet, but it seems to me the tolerances are off which is a huge deal.
I’m glad I find videos like this when I get a crazy idea about trading my g20 in for something else it sucks because just like my glocks I can pick up a sig and shoot it just as good thanks for the info
I have the same issue with my XTen. Loading a full mag is hard to do. It’s more of a 14+1 than a 15+1.
My g20 mags are the same, I can fit 15+1 but it takes some serious thumb pressure
I just bought the XDM Elite 4.5 10mm. Was going to buy the Sig but I've seen to many little problems with it. I love Sig , but never buy a first series of any of their guns.😂
Update to my original post… so, I took the magazine out of my XTEN and started to unload the Underwood 165 gr. Gold Dots when I experienced the same issue you explained. After I acquired the pistol, I fired three magazines worth of the Gold Dots and they ran just fine. Haven’t fired a magazine after it has been loaded w carry ammo, but thinking I need to do that next trip to the range. Yes, that is expensive, and worse, the ammo is out of stock so can’t replace what I shoot.
One of the biggest reasons I am not buying a p365xl and going for the Hellcat Pro is because the production quality of SIg has dropped off considerably since they got the Army contract. If you pay attention you will see that most every new model of SIG has a problem. The only ones that I will buy are a P226 or a p229. I feel as if SIG is getting to cute and putting out too many products without really doing the R&D
Yeah, the public seems to do their R&D now. Stick to their classic, hammer-fires weapons like the p226, p229 and sp2022 imo
@Anthony Gerber Yeah just buy the really expensive old guns smart. The P365XL doesn't make any sense anyway. Go with the original or the macro.
@@RCXDerp I said I like them. I don't own any Sigs.
I have an XL and I don't know what you guys are talking about. Well over a 1000 rds thru it, ZERO failures
Good Video // Change The Springs for Sure , Then Spray Silicone in Mag / I Would Not Sand Inside or Alter it IN Any Way
I’m almost certain that because the other rounds are shorter, the follower is becoming bound against the magazine housing with the additional movement of the round and the flex of the spring. Have you tried alternating range & carry ammunition in the magazine on the bench? I’d look into different (heavier) magazine springs because those seem too weak. You may be able to add a shim behind the spring on the primer side of the rounds to lessen the follower movement (tilt) in the magazine.
I had the same problem with mags for a RIA 10mm. I found the follower would hang up on an opening in the mag tube. (Only way I can describe it.) I took out the followers and carefully sanded off a little material with 1000 grit sand paper and tested. Took 3 tries and got it to work. I'll need to try different larger hole hollow points to see if these mags behave the same. If SIG can't produce products that are reliable or supported they're going to lose business.
I used a Sig Xten and had none of these issues. Full mag needed a small "tap" to get in there but there are plenty of guns with that issue. Sorry you had some problems!
FYI, it was extremely difficult to retract the slide over a magazine loaded to capacity on my P365. The cure was to polish the stripper rail. I cut thin strips of wet or dry silicone carbide sandpaper of various grits and then wet sanded the stripper rail. I used the eraser end of a pencil to move the sandpaper back on forth along the stripper rail. After polishing, it is only slightly more difficult to retract the slide over a magazine loaded to capacity than it is to retract the slide on an empty magazine. Check the surface finish of your stripper rail. It may simply be rough ground and not polished.
Thank you
This is concerning. I almost bought the XTEN but then decided to purchase the Springfield Armory XDM 10mm. Fortunately I haven’t had any issues.
Curious if Lucas SlickMist treatment of the interior mag body would fix that?
Yes I noticed that on my p320 mags as well. Do we know what causes this and ways to correct it?
I dont think its OAL per se, but that the edge of the hollow point front is wider than the radius of the inside of the magazine allows. Basically the rounded front of a fmj bullet is "tucked in" compared to the wide flat vorner of the hollow point that reaches into the corner of the mag and rubs against the radius. Thats one theory anyway. Could also be that there is just too little clearance and the hollow point will bind if it tilts any. Either way, this shouldnt be happening.
Just got my SIG P320 XTEN. I put in the hollow points and it did the exact same thing it did to your XTEN, multiple times with both magazines. So I experimented. I noticed if I put in 7 regular rounds, FMJ first in the magazine and then put in 7 hollow points, where they end up on top of the magazine, it will not jam. Both my magazines will only hold 14 rounds, not 15, not sure why.
I have the same exact issue. And for a $900 handgun it should not have this mag issue. Mine I can’t even load all 15 rounds of self defense. And it rattles every time. Haven’t had a cycle problem yet but I’ve only fired about 30 rounds. Thinking about going back to where I got it from
I'm not on the fence,I kept my glock 17mos.My brother bought the sig in 9mm and it works fine.
Have you tried turning the spring around in the mag this is a issue I have seen with s&w pistols
That cartridge rattle reminded me of ever time I shoot one of my 2011s
Not sure if Mecgar makes mags for the XTen yet or not but I use Mecgars exclusively in both my Sigs. Mecgar use to be the manufacturer for Sig mags but at some point Sig started manufacturing their own. Hate to hear you are having this issue but I wonder if replacing the spring and follower all together would solve the issues.
On another note Sig Sauer has really been in the striker fired business very long...so there may be something to be said for that.
That's really strange I think I'd rather get a different 10mm instead of this now. I've got a .45acp and the magazines were only hard to get the rounds in when they were new is the only problem
I'd say don't modify the follower. From what you were showing, it does not appear that the follower is binding -- it's the cartridges themselves that are.
The cartridges in these mags are stacked in a staggered fashion, and gradually progress from 1.5-stack to almost single stack.
The key word is "gradually", and in this case, two cartridges at some level in the mag (it seems to be almost always the same place) must be essentially crowing the same space -- and getting stuck.
Hence hypothesis #1:
There's too much horizontal space in the mag to accommodate different lengths of 10 mm rounds, and the follower is "too horizontal", which results in some shorter rounds at some place in the mag being too far forward and competing for the same space.
Test #1:
What if you load them while deliberately pressing their butts to the back of the mag? This should simulate longer rounds and theoretically prevent binding, at least in these "laboratory conditions".
Test #2:
Load 14 rounds max, then unload and check for malfunction.
Repeat with 13, 12, etc. until you get a number that reliably can be loaded into a mag and unloaded from it.
Test #3:
Cut a strip of thin metal, like a beer can, as wide as the front of the mag and as tall as the wide portion of the mag.
Place the strip at the front of the mag.
Load the mag and check if the problem is present.
Theoretically, this would no allow the shorter rounds to move from their positions, crowd the front of the mag, and consequently bind.
Many years ago I got rid of a XD full size in 45 because it would not shoot aggressive holy points or semi wadcutters. Everyone started suggesting to do work on the feed ranmp and bend the lips on the mags.....nope sold it, moved on and never looked at another Springfield.
Agree. I expect a gun to work as intended for self defense against two-legged and big critters when called upon. If it doesn't function because of this or that, then what good is it.
Could it be the top portion of the spring (smaller diameter) is hanging up on the bottom (larger diameter) section of the spring on retreat?
if i install a full mag with the slide closed and try to chamber a round, it locks the slide back and putts a huge dent it the case if i hit it to close the slide. Iv only ran Federal AE and Sig fmj in it so far. I just got some HST for it. ill go load it and see what mine does. Update #1 Just tried it. the HST is too long and the 6th round hits the front lip of the mag. Cant inset the 7th round by hand. Im sure the bang is the round holding up and getting force pass the lip of your mag. I had to pay $2.26 a round and bought 100 rounds of HST and It wont go in the gun. 🤬🤬 Update #2. I just chambered the 6th round and then put it back in the mag. Now I can load all 15 just fine with no rattle but the mag hangs up on the 3rd round unloading by hand. If i unload it by racking the slide back all load just fine. It dark out so i cant go out to do any shooting
I was the one prior that told you I had the exact same problem. Me and a buddy of mine tonight was in his garage Just for kicks and giggles got his belt sander out took some hollow points and put the end of the bullet on the Sandpaper and took off about approximately 1/16 of an inch off of the bullet. Put it back in the clip fill the clips up three or four times shot them no problem whatsoever. Did not have one hang up none of the bullets no rattled in the clip problem completely disappeared. Should you have to do that no you should not but it did make the problem go away 100%.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing this.
One other thing I forgot to tell you do not worry about that gun going off automatically that whole firing mechanism pin guts everything has been changed it will not go off if you drop it the problem was in 2017 and 18 said completely changed that so do not worry about that gun going off accidentally it will not we have already tested it we've smacked it with the fiberglass handle we have dropped it on cardboard and concrete the gun will not go off of course we took the lead out of the shell first but the gun will not go off you're safe.
The hollow points are hanging up on the magazine catch holes hold mag flat side down and try it
Year later, just seeing this video. Recently picked up a x10 and a p365 x macro tacops and both of them have the same issue
Sig needs to buy them all back
I wonder if the follower tilts back, causing resistance and looseness and that is the pop
Thanks for the video. I will stick with my trusted and proven gen4 Glock G40 and G20.
I have this and wish I saw all this before picking it up. I picked mine up just a month ago and you’d think these issues would have been resolved by now. I’ve been able to shoot both target and hollow points and don’t think I have the feed issue. but my main issue currently is just not being able to have 15 rounds in the mag and be able to seat it with out the slide being open
Have you sent this video to Sig? I wish I had seen your video beforehand cus I just bought a P320 XTen yesterday! Haven't shot it yet but plan to this weekend. I ordered some Underwood 140gr Xtreme Penetrator last night. Sure hope they don't experience the issues you did. That stuff is $2.33 per round....
I think Sig tried to slim the magazines down too much to make for a more ergonomic grip but consequently neutered the pistol so that it won't function properly with the heavier loads that make the 10mm so great. I have a hard time believing that 220 grain hard cast buffalo bore would work in this gun given the magazine problems I've heard of so far.
I've got about 750 through mine, zero issues. 2/3 are my reloads. 180 and 200 grains and HOT. Mine is wonderful, couldn't be happier. Most of the issues I've read about are from boutique ammo companies like underwood and Buffalo bore. Nothing against them, but in my experience those types of loads are best when it's truly custom load for a particular gun.
From what i've heard this is only an issue with hard ball loads. They are a little longer and don't feed very well. All other ammo is fine.
Just load them up and leave it to break in the mag spring.. put some powdered graphite(lube) on your follower
What does SIG have to say about these issues? I just purchased this model over the Glock 20 because of the extra features and it fit very nice and the reviews were great I just happen to find these videos having the same mag issues but not one of them mentioned contacting SIG I did read one comment saying that SIG mailed out replacement mags and one person returned the weapon not wanting to deal with it! What’s up SIG?
Take the mag apart clean it using a mag brush and lube the mags and reassemble.
It's a-shame, the P220 in 10mm is rock solid but only 8rds.
Don’t expect Sig to give a damn about your problem. They are concerned with $$$$$, not quality control.
Just an idea- try out a Tanfoglio/Witness 10mm mag in there. Those are good mags, never had an issue with them, and while similar to the SIG mags, IDK if they are close enough to do the job. I feel your frustration. SiG unfortunately should have worked through all the kinks before releasing this pistol. Heaven knows you are not the first one to have the same issues with the X ten.
Tried it, fits but won’t latch the mag cut out is different. Tried swapping the follower too xten mag is defective. Both are made by Mecgar
@@TheCenturion8404 Wow. Thanks for the info.. Mecgar makes a great product generally speaking, so that surprises me- unless it was a snafu in design from Sig.
@@ryanreay4167 absolutely was a snafu, I called mecgar USA and said xten mags are made in Italy and I got the impression it was a can of worms they wanted no part of. Sig CS blamed ammo and I said go get a box off your shelf and try it out, you are in CS after all and should attempt to validate or disprove these complaints, (crickets) well I just run the phones here and will push this up to management and I said I doubt it. I may try a 320 .45 acp mag, my WC CQB 1911 runs best with the .45 XTM magazines so we will see. I’m hoping sig fixes this on their own, I’m hopeful because the tangfoglio witness 10mm also mecgar magazines fit in the magazine well with appropriate space. Here’s the rub though, the COAL is the issue in the sig mag right? The sig mags are longer then the tangfoglios.
@@TheCenturion8404 Wow. If you have a press maybe you could cut the COAL down if that makes a diffy- bad mags are so frustrating.....
@@ryanreay4167 I have multiple presses and have already done this. The amount of deep seating is very significant
So I'm having this same exact issue... except it only seems to happen with SIG JHP with the brass casing. The nickel casings give me no issue... Hornaday jhp work just fine also.
Thank you for the video! This might be partially why magazines are out-of-stock everywhere. More on magazines in a sec.
I have two XTENS and 9 magazines. The first pistol has two malfunctions on its resume with less than 1k rds. fired and the other has none. I'll surpass 3k rds. fired this Saturday. I mostly shoot MagTech 180 gr. FMJ (at the time of purchase, least expensive I could find in bulk) and carry/shoot Underwood 165 gr. Gold Dots.
A fully loaded magazine is difficult to load, so those quiet, tactical reloads are out of the equation. I'd recommend keeping all mags loaded even away from the range IOT "help" the spring tension issue. I'm beyond impressed as to how small the 15-rd. magazines are especially compared to my G20 and SA XDM Elite mags. With that, the magazine might benefit from being 2-3mm longer? I'm not an engineer, so not sure why the mag issues. With the revamped 15-16 rd. magazines (pure speculation), I'd love to see 20 or more round magazines become available. Otherwise, Springer Precision extensions it is.
My "issue" with the first XTEN is slide wobble when the magazine is out and striker is at rest. SIG looked at it and said it's within normal specifications. My second XTEN is awesome and doesn't exhibit that irritating wobble, nor does my 13 other P320 variants, smh.
If the issue is with a specific ammo type: measure with a micrometer, I’ll bet they’re longer than your range ammo that cycles; you might be able to find a shorter OAL defense round.
I have a brand new Sig P320 X-TEN. I have a hard time loading the 15th round in the mag and then getting the mag to snap into the gun. 14 Rounds runs fine,. Having said that my gun does not always load the round into the chamber and it seems to always happen when there are 5-10 rounds left in the mag. The dealer told me that it is "ME" not holding my hand stiff enough with the recoil and that the jerking back in the recoil process was taking the length off of the slide run for a full ejection and reload. Having said that this is the first gun I have ever bought. I too obtained it just to be out fishing and hiking in bear country. For notes; I have shot only about 300 rounds through my gun, using either Sellier & Bellot or Blazer 180 gr FMJ. If you have any suggestions, me please let me know.
I have had a GLOCK 20 "10mm" for a while now just for the same purpose of carrying when fishing, hiking and hunting. Ran all types of ammo with no problems. GLOCK20 just feels like a 2x4 and the SIG feels better. Purchased the SIG a few days ago to replace the GLOCK20 for outdoor use but after this video, other comments and yours, I will stick with my GLOCK20 just for the satisfaction of knowing if I do need it against big critters or two-legged that it will function as intended. Whatever you go with, check out Paradise Valley Leather chest holsters. Works well for waders, backpacks and jackets. Found it to work the best in always having the gun with me even when setting up camp, cooking, bathroom. Always want to have gun available not a few feet away laying on a log especially in bear country.
I have an xten and i run absolutely nothing but sig vcrown and federal hst and my magazines dont do anythint like this. Worst thing my magazine has done is the spring is tight and needs broken in so its stiff to get locked into the gun with the slide in battery.
I think sig tried to keep the grip as small as possible and didn’t allow for longer of wider tip rounds. To me you just need to figure out what works best and use that. You can’t beat the feel of the grip on the xten
I know I'll sound dumb but can anyone educate me why the barrel of most polymer frame pistols lifts from front (unlike the full metal pistols) when the slider is in full back position?
I own this firearm as well. First sig of my collection and never again! I had it jam, way off on accuracy, the 15th rounds is ignorant to get in and having the jam the mag in the get it to lock is dumb. You would think a manufacturer of this caliber you should not have these issues it should all be smooth. I'm sticking to my beretta and FN
So disappointing, I bought an xten for my first gun (camping/bears). What is weird is I have the same exact range ammo as you and that was getting hung up in the mag. Underwood High Performance (Red tips) 200gr are filtering through like butter (so opposite results as far as the range ammo). I wish I would have known this before I purchased this gun...
You send this video to Sig. I will never buy one a Sig Striker Fired Handguns. on no Level. They beta test firearms with their customers. Sig hammer fired guns, I would. You still should try shooting the hollow tips. when I first got my Glock 27, Gen 5, without firing the gun, I like to cycle the rounds Through the gun to make sure it feeds properly. The ball ammo cycle properly. The hollow tips wouldn't. But when I went to the range and shot the gun all of the hollow tips fed properly, I had the same SIG Vcrown hollow tips that you have. but in 40. I also made a video about it.
If it's just the magazine, it's not a major issue. You jump around with different ammo brands and that might be 100% of your issue. Call Sig and I bet they'll fix your issue.
I think it’s a ammo QC issue. Not necessarily the mag. I’d take a caliper and measure the OAL of each round . If you measure considerably more than 1.260” I’d pretty much bet that will cause an issue with hang-ups in the mag.
He’s got the issue with 2 different types/manufacturers defensive ammo though.
@@Adubz819 yup, that’s odd. I haven’t experienced the issue in mine as of yet. But I do load and noticed there’s barely any clearance left in the mag loading to 1.260 OAL. Either way, it’s unacceptable for the mag to be functioning like that.