Not Even Antibiotics Work Against this Bird Flu Strain w/ Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding
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- Just when you thought it was safe to go to public places without a mask, a new strain of bird flu is getting ready to ruin your summer.
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Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Exactly, and right on time...
Antivaxers are a dying breed 😂😂
And other humpty humpty profound Revelations ❤
Antibiotics don't work on viruses in general
Correct. We need effective antivirals.
Exactly.
Free Melania
Just what I was thinking when I read the title of the video
With rare exceptions. Antibiotics as antibiotics cannot work on viruses. The compounds that are antibiotic have other effects, and in some cases those are useful against certain viral infections (e.g. some of the tetracyclines as anti-inflammatories, azithromycin as an agent that can in some cases bind to viral receptors, partially blocking their action, ...). They are useful as an adjunct to deal with opportunistic bacterial infections. Ditto for anti-fungals.
Though people in general too often think of anti-biotics as more like magic talismans and demand them, even when they are known to be inappropriate and useless.
Why would anyone think it's a good idea to feed bird excrement to anything other than plants?
They do the same thing in China.
Vulture capitalists.
Commercial dog and cat food all have animal excrement, animal parts, that include small amounts of euthanasia drugs in them.
Livestock operators do and also DOA
Cellulose and high ration finishing mix is what they get in the stockyards where they are all squished in together with mountains of dung. Chicken litter (usually shavings) is free cellulose and the chicken ranches probably deliver it free.It's best to know where your food grows.
If it happens, then it will be our fault for NOT banning the feeding our cows chicken poop.
I'm shocked that was not stopped long ago.
@@aspiecelia1 seems our country allows a lot of things in our food that other countries have banned years ago.
Yep. Pretty screwed up.
Chicken manure has been fed for many years . I knew farmers that used this nitrogen source back in the 1950's . Problem was inevitable.
Not just poop. Legs, beaks, feathers and any other waste product they do not want to pay to dispose of.
You know, a typical vegetarian cows diet. 🤬
End mega-corp food production and control.
What control? The criteria for distribution is non existing or close to in America. We closed the problem with contagion via eggs in Europe decades ago, but I guess it is just easier to let these things happen and blame everyone else while dying.
@@citizenVader Good news for human haters
@@SteveninTune niche news will never catch on, especially this one. The core demographic is goldfish
@@SteveninTune That would be big pharma who will make billions.
Good luck getting people to pay prices that don't reflect the externalities that come with meat production.
Well antibiotics don't work against viruses.
Yep, you are right.
They can actually make it worse.
Bacteria & viruses often fight.
Tamiflu is an antiviral, not an antibiotic.
@@carolyngarman1422 They are responding to the *title* of the video.
Think they meant antivirals.
Thom - change the title. Everyone knows antibiotics do not work on viruses. Your guest talked about Tamiflu not being effective against the H5N1 bird flu virus. Tamiflu is an antiviral medication.
Well i wouldnt say “everyone” knows.
This is plandemic 2.0 so we’re gonna lose more rights
There are a great many things that are allowed here that are banned in many other countries and that needs to change.
The US is at the bottom in every way except a lot of money and thats all stuck at the top 5%
Wrong, we need more freedom, not more things being “banned”.
The best years of our lives here in America are behind us unless we hold people accountable for the way they have no regard for the lives of the American people and profit is more important than anything
In Norway and Europe where greedy byrocrats and career politicians are corrupt and work against our countries. Norway used to be a good land. Now its owned by global psychopaths
After what happened here in the UK with Mad Cow Disease, still a clear and scary memory for me - I am very surprised that the US didn't use that as a lesson learned forever.
What a disgusting thing to do - feed chicken litter to cows. How anyone thought this couldn't possibly go wrong, I don't know.
Well, we really didn't have mad cow in the US, so you know how that goes. Out of sight out of mind.
I have never seen any farmers feed their cattle that garbage.
Another perfect example of why we shouldn't put profits over people. 😢😮 4:01
Thanks you saved the world
So why isn’t this on the news ? I think we need to stop reporting every time trump farts and cover other important issues like this.
They would not release a flu that would kill elites too. This is k2 variant read Geert v Bosch.
Yes I’m getting bad Pre-C19 vibes with all this.
A fart is real and honest. Snake Oil Salesmen are not.
They’re saving it for timed headline release when needed
It’s all fear mongering. They’re desperate for another ‘pandemic’ .
Fix the title. Hurts your credibility.
If H5N1 recombines with a human flu virus you won't be sneering anymore, you'll soon be six feet under.
Oh, in case CZcams does decide to post my comment, I thought you were objecting to his use of the word 'pandemic'. You're absolutely right, antibiotics don't work against viruses.
Well we can start by feeding cows actual food and not literal poop WTF
Poor cows.
Enjoy the time you have. We are living through the start of the Great Extinction
Created by evil scientists
If it spreads to hogs, Iowa is screwed. We have the most hog confinements of any state.
Oklahoma is catching up to you.
Try China. They have recently built the world's largest pig prison. Like 20 times larger than the biggest in the US
I thought the highest Hog population was Palm Beach. ?
@@toowiseforyou unfortunately my home state of Minnesota is too. Good luck to them trying to sell their nice 10,000 lakes for vacationing destinations when the state smells like hogs and their lakes are polluted like ours.
@@kimberlychodur3508 at least you had Jesse for awhile ;-)
I'm too old for all that cold in Minnesota anyways.
It is manmade. It is made in their laboratory. It was manufactured in labs in order to take out a lot of people.
And you know this how?
It's been in circulation since the 90's, they found it in birds for the first time. Just a natural virus. It didn't help that we humans culled birds with H1N1 making it the dominant bird flu.
Industrial animal exploitation NEEDS to STOP asap!!! Or humans WILL suffer the consequences of not ending industrial animal exploitation.
again, only here in USA
@@OurGlobalAffectsit’s global
Merkins will fragging lose it over having to pay a non subsidized/externalized price for beef.
Exactly. Not only is it cruel and wrong to put the animals through it but also has severe consequences for people as well so long story short these practices need to stop, particularly in the name of corporate greed.
Bird flu is out there and will stay out there now. It makes no difference whether we consume animal products or not any more.
It’s called bio warfare
We’re in trouble in the US with nearly half the country not believing in mitigation measures. Once the cat is out of the bag prevention-wise… it’s too late. Especially if that Tamiflu resistant variant becomes predominant.
The lockdown was a crime
Thank you for having creditable guests on your show that provide us with important information.
And Trump said in his Time Magazine interview that he would abolish the Federal Pandemic research unit
It was 2018 when he got rid of it ?
Trump is full of... bad ideas.
It's true he's a fu$king idiot being in a court room the rest of his miserable life.
Biden brought it back.
Obama created the White House pandemic team. Trump got rid of it. Biden reinstated it.
Here’s the issue I have for too many years Physicians have sold their soul and their medical opinions to the highest bidder and now that we need real professional medical advice, no one can count on a true unbiased medical expert to stick to the actual science and what we know and what we expect we know without any political or religious bias but into the information. When doctors make a career out of only testifying for insurance companies that someone whom is clearly disabled is in their opinion faking it or it’s just a minor issue. The public loses trust on any medical issues that arise , as we seen that a $2000 check bought their opinion without ever seeing the patient, now through in politics and a recipe for mass genocide by politicians just to get relect3dmthe next election, instead of fulfilling their Oath to The Constitution.
As the wef said that you will ear ze bugs and be happy.
Excellent interview. Thank you.
Ooooh we're so scared. Not.
BOO!
There, are you scared NOW?
Vaccination, the who in May 2024 want to pass the mandatory vaccine and make it to law over every country and individual.
Here we go again!
More billions for big pharma's billionaires.
Apparently, the reporting agencies did not learn a damn thing from the last pandemic. Here’s hoping the stupid ones get taken out with this one.
There is nothing like progressive empathy and compassion.
Bird flu has been around for decades. Poor farmers in China have been heroically battling it by culling hundreds of millions of chickens for two decades, to reduce the 'reservoir' of the virus and prevent these types of antigenic shift, drift and recombination. The debt we owe them is immeasurable. As for the new US strain, only God Himself could have designed a mammalian strain that renders Tamiflu ineffective. If anyone can be blamed, it's we the American freedom loving people who don't put collective well being above the right to pursue life, liberty and happiness like the Chinese do, and have not curtailed our appetite for chicken and eggs.
@@davidabrintonyes, they’re so tolerant of people who think for themselves!
Antibiotics aren’t for viruses. If they’re given it’s for a secondary infection, like getting an ear inaction
Or pneumonia -- the big one.
Never RAW milk- PLEASE. 🐄🥛- and eye transmission is frightening.
Why are you even drinking milk? Are you a baby? You never weaned off, huh? Sad.
Good video! Thanks! Sending a letter to my state agriculture dept. and my reps. Prevention is a key. I wish everyone knew this info. The USA is a leader in dirty BIG ag!
Between novel viruses & antibiotic resistant "infections" (for lack of better word) - I honestly don't know which is scarier.
Just wait til prehistoric virus and bacteria are introduced from melting glaciers and permafrost.
Polio is scarier. I remember that!
Build up your resistance to disease. Zinc is an important substance for resisting viral infection. Makes the cell walls stronger or something like that.
@@judithmcdonald9001 Excellent advice. This is something that really bothered me about the response to Covid 19. From its beginning we were told it would be worse for those with weakened immune systems, but the media said little to nothing about how people should build up their immune systems. The focus was all on the vaccine. Big pharma won billions on that one.
I am not an anti-vaxer.
The fact that it’s not a felony to perform gain of function research is our biggest problem here.
Another thing that doesn't work on viruses is CZcams videos.
Screw this going vegan till this dies down
Keep away from those fake meats then. I was vegan for 4 years and eating all that processed vegan burgers, sausages etc made me ill. They are so ultra processed and have a lot of nasty ingredients in them.
So go for lentils, beans and nuts for your protein and take supplements if you really intend to go through with it.
Personally, I gave up veganism. It made me too ill to carry on with it, and I went back to mainly vegetarian, plus occasional fish and poultry.
The expert did say keep away from raw milk, undercooked animal products. I don't know if we can even get raw milk in the UK. Never heard of it until that case brought against the Amish guy recently. So, all milk products I know of are pasteurised over here.
This flu was bound to make the jump eventually, if not through farm animals, then through pets and wildlife. It would get to us somehow.
Not only is chicken litter fed to cattle, it is used to fertilize hay fields.
similar to c19, republicans also refused vaccination for the "spanish" flu. this one with a 50% mortality rating seems like darwin if it gets more widespread than it is.
GOOD
Why are you bringing up Republican when the largest demographic that refused the COVID vaccine was African Americans who are overwhelmingly democrat ?
@@historyhoarder634 i don't even know how to respond to your stupidity.
@@historyhoarder634 Not sure that's true, but one thing I know is true: The largest demographic of COVID deaths were seniors, mostly in red states, mostly unvaccinated.
@@italiangm1 Across the 36 states for which a total vaccination rate could be calculated by race/ethnicity as of July 11, 2022, 87% of Asian, 67% of Hispanic, and 64%of White people had received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose, higher than the rate for Black people (59%).
Four beef industries furnish 85% of our beef so we know why it's so high but do they feed healthy ?
It's actually quite cheap considering all the other externalities that go into meat production. Meat has been historically expensive, especially beef.
If we drink pasteurized milk aren't we inoculating ourselves with dead virus?
I pondered that possibility as well!
Antibiotics aren't antivirals.
Is this another gain of function experiment gone wrong? 🤔
Or, gone right, depending on how many of us actually die this time.
The headline is wrong. Antibiotics don't kill viruses.
The next pandemic, we are screwed. Who will take the jab or wear a mask?
Great. Just great.
At least Thom is paying attention. This has been a news story for a awhile.
Really!
Big Ag cares only about profits for Big Ag. Never forget that. Thank you for keeping us up to date on this one. I had a really bad feeling about Covid the first time I ever heard about it when it was still just in China, and I have a really bad feeling about this one, too. But I hope I'm wrong.
I had, and have that eerie feeling too.
Hear we go again the prices of eggs going up
We've already seen how the Democrats handled something as basic as covid. Which was literally everything that you were not supposed to do. PPE protocols
iirc, covid happened when a republican was president and how he handled it was the reason he lost re-election. If biden loses re-election, it won't be because of covid, it'll be how he handled Israel and gaza.
Dog food often comes from chicken parts or beef parts. What is the risk that this virus is getting past down to the dogfood? What is the risk that if it is getting into their food that they can get infected?
I think it's less, hopefully, because viral loads in food, dormant or not, pass through stomach acids.
Scary to think of it actively getting past this somehow.
Beef parts? You mean cow parts, right?
Great... gross ... US AG and our food supply systems are outrageous ... I can eat everything when in Eurpoe. Here, I show as gluten & lactose intolerant ... go figure.
Heard all this before
Goofball, antibiotics are never effective against viruses. Viruses are hard to kill because there are few antivirals available to treat.
"Goofball". 🤣🤣🤣
I won't drink milk again.
just avoid raw milk
They are feeding parts from dead chickens to the cows --ugh! Other countries have banned this. The workers need to wear Hazmat suits for protection. The owners regard farms as factories and mistreat the animals and workers and trash the environment.
Good. You're not a baby. Milk is for developing babies. You've finally grown up.
Many migratory birds die through lack of food. High populations on island locations run out of food as a result of excessive competition for food when historic shoals of fish fail to pass such locations as a result of pole shift. All species using the poles for migration are causing fishing fleets to relocate historic fishing locations! This also explains why so many cetaceans beach on the east coast of the UK, as they used to migrate via the Irish sea and as a result of the eastward travel of the magnetic north pole, now migrate via the North Sea. All this and in addition the overfishing of our seas!
Many birds also die as a result of ingesting poisoned water near industrial and mining sites and not because of disease. Migratory birds using the magnetic poles for navigation often miss historic feeding sites enroute and starve.
Climate change is becoming a major cause for mass extinction events for wild species. Species do not know what to do as a result of floods, drought, fires which disrupt food sources. Humans can avoid most of these issues and can source food and water from their local stores. All this and in addition, the
As a result of the use of poisonous agricultural substances, not only are all life on this planet suffering from food and ground water poisoning, but insect populations are crashing affecting many wild species as a result of food shortages. In addition, the use of agricultural poisons have killed of the microorganisms in the soil which historically used to release vitamins, minerals, trace elements and essential salts in the soil, turning farmed foods into sterile food sources. Agricultural chemicals have also reduced the diversity of wild plants needed by wild species for healthy lives.
I wouldn’t be so confident in your statement at the end of paragraph 4, “most humans can source food from their local store.”
Supermarkets operate on a just in time delivery model. Food supply chains have become global and complex. The WEF has urged governments to reduce animal production particularly red meat production. Agriculture cannot cope with repeated droughts and/or floods. Stock up and grow your own food if you can.
Antibiotics have no effect on viruses.
So sorry to bring this up. I can just hear the conspiracy theorist now. Too soon?
Not a conspiracy theorist.
I think for the best effectiveness it would be best to release it two months before the election. That's my conspiracy prediction.
@@davidabrinton Release what? Do you not understand that bird flu H5N1 plus H8, H9 and other variants is entirely natural?
More biological weapons
wow is this the beginning of the end game for humanity
We are way past the beginning….
Hope so .
@@SteveninTune 😁 surely nature can do without us - not so the other way round
I think it's way past the beginning... enjoy the next few years people.
Mother nature is done with us.
I am sure bill gates has a cure already made
That's probably why he's been playing with his synthetic meat for a while too!
Our bad farming practices are catching up with us. And in an ever more crowded world pandemics are inevitable.
anti-viral drugs work on viruses, not antibiotics.
Remember the 2009 man-bird-pig flu? I survived that. Did you? Still, it would be a good idea not to feed poop to cattle.
Horrible and misleading headline. Viruses can't be killed by antibiotics (biotic, in this instance, means bacterial. viruses are abiotic)
You should really change your headline.
@@cg4806 So the guy who should know the terminology (because journalism) is less fluent in his explanation than you are? Either he's sloppy or you should have your own channel.
Only makes me more glad I don't consume dairy or eat berf.
Berf 😂
*cows.
Why do humans use euphemisms.
Beef is cow. Pork is pigs. Eggs are chicken ovulations. Call it what it is. Milk is for babies. Disgusting!
Factory farming kills
Trump was so incompetent with the way he handled Covid. This would be even worse if he is in charge
Twice as many Americans died from COVID during the Biden presidency as did during Trump’s. At least Trump pushed a vaccine through in a few months when normally it would have taken almost two years.
Ha ha
This is about getting rid of meat and dairy
That's why kill gates has been playing with his artificial meat and buying up farmland. It's all part of the agenda to get farmers off the land and into 15min cities. Australian politicians are using water allowance buybacks to reduce the water our farmers can have. They're also increasing their council rates. No water = no farm.
Tom, after listening to this guy spout inexact "info" with not even one citation as to where he got that propaganda. Please find someone who knows the numbers and can cite sources. All this podcast will do is generate fear and panic that is not warranted by the actual situation. Shame on you.
At least bird flu actually evolved naturally, didn't come from the laboratory like the last one 🙉🙊🙈
I just had bird flu H1N1 in January, I caught it from travellers from the USA (I’m in Australia). Knocked me about alright !
Glad you are ok
@@samreh6156 thank you ❤️
Google is showing we've only had 2x cases in Victoria so far. Was it suspected as bird flu or confirmed with pathology if you don't mind me asking?
Yeah the latest Covid I got and the symptoms were in my eyes gooey almost line pink eye.
If this turns out to be a nothing burger, I'll be as happy as a pig in sh*t. If not, I'll eat crow.
Make sure the crow isn't infected! 🤣
If Fox News existed in the 1950s, we would still be suffering en masse from polio. As the joke diss on Fox goes.
Why would antibiotics work on a flu strain in the first place?
They only work on the secondary bacterial infections that sometimes accompany viral infections.
Change title to Not Even Tamiflu….etc. This is such an important video, don’t want people turned off by the title as most know antibiotics aren’t effective against a virus.
thanks for this important timely information!
A good reason to avoid animal products
The munure on your lettuce is ok ?
China has been dealing with this for 6 months or so. Thousands of children dead. Started in northern China (like every pandemic in human history)
Words such as "mostly" and "should be" bring me no comfort at all.
Thank you for the heads-up on this.
Please don't talk about antibiotics working against viral infections. They don't. The medications that work against some viruses are called antiviral agents, not antibiotics. Antiviral agents are usually targeted at certain viruses or classes of viruses, just like different antibiotics are more effective against certain types of bacteria. Sometimes, people with viral pneumonias get bacterial infections on top of the viral infections. In that case, antibiotics are usually given, but to treat the bacterial superinfection, not the virus.
What is the recommendation on feeding wild birds? Is this mostly ag related?
Anytime animals congregate together there’s an increased chance of spreading diseases… including humans.
I checked with my local wildlife service for advice. I even took some of it. Obviously not all. They said they wouldn’t come after me.
You know that in most places feeding birds is technically not permitted. They are wildlife too. Raccoons, opossums and sweet, sweet skunks… well.
Feed them vaccines.
So you probably won't like to hear this, but the best practice would be to stop feeding wild birds. Bird feeders act as essentially transmission stations during outbreaks since so many birds frequent them. It's mostly ag-related in the beginning but it will damage wild bird populations as wild birds like to pick up cattle feed and often frequent areas that farm animals inhabit. If you've got bird baths, changing the water routinely and disinfecting every day, or just discontinuing altogether would be best. It sucks, but it's for the best.
@@emmahilburn1732 Thanks. I haven't heard anything in the local news yet. I don't use feeders, instead I put a few cups on the deck rail. I do change water every day. I mostly do this just to see them and make sure everyone looks healthy.
@@heatherjones1453If I were you, I would stop 'ha dli g' any bowls of water you put out for them.
Flood the bowl with fresh water if you must and don't let anyone touch any of the spillage.
All By Design
Antibiotics only work against BACTERIAL INFECTIONS NOT VIRUSES.
He worries about people drinking raw milk. For real?
Please correct me if I am wrong. My understanding is that Tamiflu must be given in the first day or two of infection, and then only tends to shorten flu duration by a day.
You're not wrong.
Oh god. RIP America.
Honestly, Mother Earth would be a lot better off without us. Bring on something that does a better job of ridding the world of us than COVID-19.
The earth is trying to shake us off like the virus with shoes that we are.
Can't tell if you are advocating su*cide or gen*cide. Maybe you like both.
Agree, but let me postulate that not all humans are cancerous viruses. Native Americans as well as indigenous populations around the world lived in right relation to earth. They took, while also giving back. Modern Americans have been taking without giving anything back for centuries now, which is why we are here.
I've been hoping for this outcome for quite some time. Remaining childless was the best decision I made 50 years ago . I don't have any regrets.
You go first.
Incredible.
How are you being paid for this segment, Thom?
Since Legacy media have lost their standing, time to go the alternate route.
So cool.
Thanks
Greed and stupidity will be the downfall of humanity.
Ask Dr. Fauci....I'm sure PREPLANNED..
Thank you😳😳🕊️🙏🙏
Key word! “Set up”
Great video! Thanks!
Ok no more beef products for me.
With that rational then no chicken (bird flu), and no pork (swine flu).
i became a vegeterian once they started talkin bout mpox, eventually switched to vegan
This seems to be a problem caused by Big Ag factory farms that feed their cows chicken waste and feathers, so it wouldn’t apply to the small farms with grass fed animals. The video was warning against raw milk and raw or undercooked beef.
@@didgeridooblueNo prob, I haven’t eaten meat for years.
Just stop eating cow, pig, and chicken carcasses completely. You don't need their secretions to be healthy.
I've been vegan since 2018. I've never felt stronger, and I was in the Marines in my prime. Lol
Be vegan for the animals, planet, and your health.
50% mortality? I thought it was at 25%. Twice as worse.
Don't trust their inflated figures. It's independent to cause fear to justify their next step. There's a WHO treaty coming up soon that's having some problems getting over the line.
the bat pangolin route seemed more logical :D
Thanks for explaining all this to us!
they want you to give up Beef and Milk
I have not been aware of this show or its host. A quick look at one other video by Thom Hartmann seems to indicate that our politics differ, as I am a conservative. Yet this video explains the science of flu emergence in layperson's terms better than any I have encountered to date. These facts are important to understand in any discussion of why experiments with a degree of risk are done to understand virus species before they emerge naturally with human-infecting mutations. It is also important when attempts are made to create vaccines that are an imperfect match to whatever the alpha pandemic variant is eventually to be. The hope would be that more good than harm would come of that effort. I would be most confident in a program that does not attempt to regiment the antibody profile of the entire host population as one, but rather use varying seed specimens for growing perhaps ten different vaccine versions with a percentage of cross-reactivity between the versions. It seems to me that would have the best chance of accelerating the "endemicitization" of whatever emerges, or would it?