Not even kidding this video took my putter to new heights two years ago, then starting this season I was terrible and for the life of me couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong and re watched this and Scott got me fixed again back to where I was if not better. Dude is the disc golf whisper.
Out of curiosity I watched a bunch of different putting videos and your is still by far the best. Your forehand video also helped me gain like 50' instantly no joke. You're the best Scott!
awesome clinics Scott. You do an excellent job of saying why you believe what you do and being inclusive of all information you have gathered. Great teaching. Best clinics I have seen to date.
Great clinic, watched it earlier then went out to my local course and practiced putting for about 2 hours, was definitely getting more consistent results with this style, although the spin putt helps in the wind (I had gust up to 40 mph while I was practicing). Thanks for posting!
This was Great! Best Putting Clinic video I seen since a Philo Brathwaite clinic video on putting. Thank You! Valuable Instruction and Knowledge. Very Helpful!
Scott was here in San Antonio for the Cactus Classic Tourny a few months ago and being semi-new to the game (2 years ish) I had not heard all that much about him. He carried the bag in the pro-ams doubles part of the tourny and the guy is just a realy good guy. Down to earth, does not take himself too seriously etc. Support him when he comes to your town and try out his plastic.He has given a LOT to the game and continues to do so!
Watching this after 6 years is rather fascinating. Scott was *sort of* correct about the spin putt disappearing. Except that so many players now are using a 'spush' or hybrid putt. A pure spin putt is pretty rare (at the top level anyway), and players really seem to be adopting the spush as their primary putt. That is to say, even now this is a fantastic clinic and has so many invaluable lessons for any disc golfer.
Have been playing for 9 years and while my driving is better then ever, my spin putting continues to kill my game. I just can't believe it's taken this long to come across a class on the subject. This was not the best quality video by any means (truck noise, no putts shot) but he got his point across well. Playing hooky tomorrow to work the push putt and drop a few strokes off. I'm confident this is the key needed, to bring a new level to my game.
I just love this video so much. It is, by far, the best video on Disc Golf Putting that I've seen on CZcams. And the quality, clarity, and sharpness of the video is amazing! Well done!!
I killed myself putting in a tourney and decided to re-learn technique starting here. I've seen a massive improvement. One thing I did notice thats not mentioned though is moving the whole hand a little more forward on the disc. Thats the only way I could generate stability with putts and put a little power behind them as well.
I just watched a Eric McCabe video where he completely recommended spin putting over push putting, so, there you go. I think it just depends on what works for each individual.....I've been playing for 30 years & feel the spin putt works better for me.....
mcgabe has very unorthodox putt and he has so many extra unneccessary things going on in the stance and putt, hes whole timing with lower and upper body is completely off its like he jerks the body instead of a smooth motion no one should take advice from that technique as it is inefficient and horrible spin or no spin, he practices hours upon hours to keep touch with that horrible putt, a person with perfect straight forward technique that follows our anatomical features will succeed right away even after long winter breaks and wont need to play nearly as much to keep the level up. same applies to all sports, if you are not playing 8h every day you dont have much chance at the top with any unorthodox techniques, hes far from the best putters out there in my opinion
I feel one needs both a push putt as well as a spin putt in their tool set. Similar to a backhand coupled with a forehand. Backhands provide a higher ceiling for distance while forehands often open up the door for higher accuracy, in relation to both styles of putting, push putting offers the much needed confidence within 40-50 feet while spin putting has a myriad of uses in low hanging branches, windier days, laser line putts and so on. Ultimately, if you don't practice both your spin putt and push putt along with you backhand and forehand you'll hit a wall with your game. If you like where you're game is then great. Leave it at that. But I do have to agree with Scott primarily because of the confidence and muscle memory that comes from a practiced push putt. idk.
I have tried and tried and tried to push putt, because it makes good sense. I just can't get it. I think this clinic would have been better if he did some actual putting! He never actually demonstrates the putt!
The woman he is talking about is Valerie Jenkins? He did however forget to mention that as long as you make it it doesn't matter how you putt. Also I realized the best part is how long to take to concentrate. I personally practice with 5 putters and can make some shots that just make me go WOW I am getting good but then when I play a round with friends I am just not making the same shots and a big thing is I take longer when I am playing then when I am just shooting at the basket.
@13:04 "Where do you get the power from?" I'm pretty sure that is doesn't come from "how fast you get from here to here" or "the more you do it, it just gets further and further." The power comes from shifting your weight. It's like throwing something from a moving car. You can get a ton more force that way. Wysocki emphasizes this and he push putts from 60 feet. I bring this up because I got terrible shoulder pain practicing push putts for hours. I was trying to force my arm up quickly and bring it to an abrupt stop to generate force. Adding a weight shift makes everything more fluid, consistent, and easier. Just watch the Philo putting video, he's graceful and effortless because of his weight shift. Thanks for being awesome and that tournament at Brandywine, Scott. You rule.
The "vector geometry argument" is based on the idea that your push putt can have zero wrist motion. As soon as you have any wrist snap imparting spin on release, even a very small snap, then that small lever arm and that possible angle error to the left or right is present again. And here's the thing - while there may be a few guys out there who push putt with a truly locked wrist, the large majority of push putters do use their wrist to impart spin on release. Watch Paul McBeth or Ricky Wysocki putt in super slow-mo, and you will see some wrist action on release. Even Ken Climo has a tiny bit of wrist motion. Honestly it seems like a completely locked wrist means you never get that much spin on the disc, which means the disc will tend to wobble and will be pretty vulnerable to the wind. None of this means that push putting is bad - the basic techniques of push putting do seem to be gradually taking over the game. But I don't think the wrist motion argument quite hits.
Replying two years later. The push putt active Wrist is from the ground up The spin putt active Wrist is side to side. You're right there is some snap but is less likely to result in a lateral miss. It's the elbow position. Elbow down in a push put the wrist moves up. Elbow up on a spin putt, the wrist moves to the right for a right handed player.
I have tried doing a push putt a hundred times and I just don't get it. The disc always comes out very strange looking and inconsistent. People like Kevin, Ricky, Paul, and Hailey King all have putts where it seems like it's coming from low and in the middle. Every time I try one it never comes out flat or fast enough. If I try to add speed, it just wobbles. I consider myself a pretty good spin putter, but I know my form is not very efficient. I have the disc straight out in front of me and then I cock it back to my chest and spin it straight forward. This is the most accurate style I've found, but it's impossible to get more than 30ish feet without changing my form up. What am I not understanding about the push putt?
A brilliant treatise, as always. However, what he is teaching here is not a push putt, it is a pitch putt. Yes indeed: good buddy Yeti is a Push Putter, because he opens and closes his elbow vertically, which literally does push the disc forward along the Line Of Play. Every putt which uses a straight arm, and a pitching motion is by definition, a pitch putt. So, it is the stiff-armed pitch putt which will dominate! It is very interesting he has done a 180 on the Wide Staggered Stance since this video was made. But the Wide Stagger is DEFINITELY the correct stance, and a Narrow Stagger is inferior, and for many reasons.
Terrific Clinic - but Scott misses a major point here: Putts are always appropriate for the situation. A push putt is useless if you have 12 metres to go, and a low ceiling. A push putt is useless if you have something tall between you and the basket. A push putt is useless if all you have is a reach-around forehand. So while a push-putt is excellent - you should also practice spin putts, forehand reach-outs, patent-pending reach-outs, from one knee spin-putts, from one-knee push putts, upside down putts, hammer putts, and any combination of body position and throw which might be required to make a basket. Spin putts are best used with a low ceiling, and not thinking about it AT ALL! Just get yourself set up, while looking at the ground in front of you. When you are ready to throw, look up, pick a chain-link, and IMMEDIATELY throw into the chains. Do not hesitate for even half a second! Look up, and throw.
He touched on that point. He said push putt is the most accurate for sinking them inside the maximum range of your push putt. He pointed out that beyond your push putt range you will need to spin.
I disagree with the focus thing. The important thing is that you do what you practice. I do take a solid 10 secs or so to line up and I do the same when I play. It works.
I do too it sounds to me that he practises what he does on the course that is what I do, no more than making sure I am lined up with my put. I use now a putt that is like his but has my other hand on the disc to guide it, that non dominate hand never really grips the disc. This allows me to keep my up and down vertical to a minimum. I also line up like a darts thrower a bit more in line then scott does. I used to basketball put with my whole body facing the basket and it worked till I came back to the sport a few years later then at that time I saw what my brother was doing I asked him what he does and turns out his is more accurate but I add the guiding hand to make that type of putt more steady from the up and down problem Sotts throw has.
Yes, the two second mark came from the study he was describing. He then went on to point out that the two second mark comes from repetitive practice where you don't spend much more time than that on any one practice shot. He then said what you do in practice is what you should do in the real thing. If you focus for 5 or 10 seconds in practice then by all means do the same in the game.
I see no difference. With spin putt, if your release point is off you will miss left or right. With push putt, if your release point is off you will miss high or low. Its all personal preference, there is no incorrect throwing technique.
+Nick Susral How would you rather miss? Higher velocity/spin miss left/right or lower velocity and spin up/down. The first gets you dangerous blow-bys, the second gets you 2-putts. (just playing devils advocate here: there are a lot of reasons to prefer the spin putt, for instance wind)
+Nick Susral Spin putting involves aiming left/right and up/down. He is saying you can eliminate the left right if you are pushing straight at the target.
+Nick Susral You also missed the point about error, a small wrist motion left or right can end up being a huge error left or right by the time the putt gets to the basket. If you are push putting, it involves your entire arm instead of just a small joint. Thus if your hand is a bit high or bit low, it doesn't matter nearly as much because it is a bigger swinging motion. The wrist with such a small motion has a much larger marginal error.
I would Like to Help Heres A Tip That will help improve your Game. When done right combinding the two techniques you will increase your odds of getting it in the Basket how to achieve this is by starting off with A Push Putt then at your final release hand over the Disc to the Basket Like A Waiter Serving you Fine Wine Palm up thumb towards the Basket release Disc. This combination Using Both Push & spin Allows you to make Putts in further distances without needing to Jump Putt.
Another reason: pitch putt is using larger muscle groups. You'd expect a putt using larger muscles and more body motion to be more consistent than one using smaller muscles and less body mass because moving something light is inherently more variable than moving something heavy.
I'm A Expert Putter Putting is everything no matter how far away you are from the Basket never think your to far Away to Make A Shot Always focus using your Domanate Eye to the Point you want to hit then once you have found your focal Point open both eyes get Grounded Balanced confident Confirm to your self then complete your shot.
As soon as you said spin put is for dinosaurs you lost me. Everyone is different what works for one person doesnt work for everyone. Other than that great video
Not even kidding this video took my putter to new heights two years ago, then starting this season I was terrible and for the life of me couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong and re watched this and Scott got me fixed again back to where I was if not better. Dude is the disc golf whisper.
Out of curiosity I watched a bunch of different putting videos and your is still by far the best. Your forehand video also helped me gain like 50' instantly no joke. You're the best Scott!
Excellent video man. Makes perfect sense. Keeping it simple makes sense.
So glad he's back... The game needs him and his style. Great videos.
awesome clinics Scott. You do an excellent job of saying why you believe what you do and being inclusive of all information you have gathered. Great teaching. Best clinics I have seen to date.
This is the video that caused me to change to a push putt. It has really made a big difference for me.
Great clinic, watched it earlier then went out to my local course and practiced putting for about 2 hours, was definitely getting more consistent results with this style, although the spin putt helps in the wind (I had gust up to 40 mph while I was practicing). Thanks for posting!
Scott I have your three DVD set from years ago. Good to see you're still loving the game and better yet, not too stubborn to improve!
This was Great! Best Putting Clinic video I seen since a Philo Brathwaite clinic video on putting. Thank You! Valuable Instruction and Knowledge. Very Helpful!
love hearing this guy's insights. Every aspect of the game has been analyzed to the max.
thanks for filming and posting these!!
thanks for taking the time to record this Steven. I'm from the area and wasn't able to be there that day
This dude is my spirit animal.
Scott was here in San Antonio for the Cactus Classic Tourny a few months ago and being semi-new to the game (2 years ish) I had not heard all that much about him. He carried the bag in the pro-ams doubles part of the tourny and the guy is just a realy good guy. Down to earth, does not take himself too seriously etc. Support him when he comes to your town and try out his plastic.He has given a LOT to the game and continues to do so!
Watching this after 6 years is rather fascinating. Scott was *sort of* correct about the spin putt disappearing. Except that so many players now are using a 'spush' or hybrid putt. A pure spin putt is pretty rare (at the top level anyway), and players really seem to be adopting the spush as their primary putt.
That is to say, even now this is a fantastic clinic and has so many invaluable lessons for any disc golfer.
Have been playing for 9 years and while my driving is better then ever, my spin putting continues to kill my game. I just can't believe it's taken this long to come across a class on the subject.
This was not the best quality video by any means (truck noise, no putts shot) but he got his point across well. Playing hooky tomorrow to work the push putt and drop a few strokes off. I'm confident this is the key needed, to bring a new level to my game.
How did it go?
I just love this video so much. It is, by far, the best video on Disc Golf Putting that I've seen on CZcams. And the quality, clarity, and sharpness of the video is amazing! Well done!!
Awesome, descriptive video. Quite helpful!
I would love to play a few rounds with this guy!
I killed myself putting in a tourney and decided to re-learn technique starting here. I've seen a massive improvement. One thing I did notice thats not mentioned though is moving the whole hand a little more forward on the disc. Thats the only way I could generate stability with putts and put a little power behind them as well.
I just watched a Eric McCabe video where he completely recommended spin putting over push putting, so, there you go. I think it just depends on what works for each individual.....I've been playing for 30 years & feel the spin putt works better for me.....
mcgabe has very unorthodox putt and he has so many extra unneccessary things going on in the stance and putt, hes whole timing with lower and upper body is completely off its like he jerks the body instead of a smooth motion
no one should take advice from that technique as it is inefficient and horrible spin or no spin, he practices hours upon hours to keep touch with that horrible putt, a person with perfect straight forward technique that follows our anatomical features will succeed right away even after long winter breaks and wont need to play nearly as much to keep the level up.
same applies to all sports, if you are not playing 8h every day you dont have much chance at the top with any unorthodox techniques, hes far from the best putters out there in my opinion
@@JH-fk8ow he is a world champ though so I'll take advice from him
I feel one needs both a push putt as well as a spin putt in their tool set. Similar to a backhand coupled with a forehand. Backhands provide a higher ceiling for distance while forehands often open up the door for higher accuracy, in relation to both styles of putting, push putting offers the much needed confidence within 40-50 feet while spin putting has a myriad of uses in low hanging branches, windier days, laser line putts and so on. Ultimately, if you don't practice both your spin putt and push putt along with you backhand and forehand you'll hit a wall with your game. If you like where you're game is then great. Leave it at that. But I do have to agree with Scott primarily because of the confidence and muscle memory that comes from a practiced push putt. idk.
I have tried and tried and tried to push putt, because it makes good sense. I just can't get it. I think this clinic would have been better if he did some actual putting! He never actually demonstrates the putt!
now 3 years later, are you push putting? :D
Now 4 years later are you push putting?
@@judasblewit lol. Nope!
Good putting advice.
Awesome. Thanks
The woman he is talking about is Valerie Jenkins? He did however forget to mention that as long as you make it it doesn't matter how you putt.
Also I realized the best part is how long to take to concentrate. I personally practice with 5 putters and can make some shots that just make me go WOW I am getting good but then when I play a round with friends I am just not making the same shots and a big thing is I take longer when I am playing then when I am just shooting at the basket.
"You do far more putts in practice than in a round" Speak for yourself...
Hahaha IKR?
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you're not practicing enough lol
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I know I'm quite off topic but do anybody know a good website to watch newly released movies online?
is this in portage lakes
@13:04 "Where do you get the power from?" I'm pretty sure that is doesn't come from "how fast you get from here to here" or "the more you do it, it just gets further and further." The power comes from shifting your weight. It's like throwing something from a moving car. You can get a ton more force that way. Wysocki emphasizes this and he push putts from 60 feet.
I bring this up because I got terrible shoulder pain practicing push putts for hours. I was trying to force my arm up quickly and bring it to an abrupt stop to generate force. Adding a weight shift makes everything more fluid, consistent, and easier. Just watch the Philo putting video, he's graceful and effortless because of his weight shift.
Thanks for being awesome and that tournament at Brandywine, Scott. You rule.
Great explanations but I would have loved some demonstrations
The "vector geometry argument" is based on the idea that your push putt can have zero wrist motion. As soon as you have any wrist snap imparting spin on release, even a very small snap, then that small lever arm and that possible angle error to the left or right is present again.
And here's the thing - while there may be a few guys out there who push putt with a truly locked wrist, the large majority of push putters do use their wrist to impart spin on release. Watch Paul McBeth or Ricky Wysocki putt in super slow-mo, and you will see some wrist action on release. Even Ken Climo has a tiny bit of wrist motion.
Honestly it seems like a completely locked wrist means you never get that much spin on the disc, which means the disc will tend to wobble and will be pretty vulnerable to the wind.
None of this means that push putting is bad - the basic techniques of push putting do seem to be gradually taking over the game. But I don't think the wrist motion argument quite hits.
Replying two years later.
The push putt active Wrist is from the ground up
The spin putt active Wrist is side to side.
You're right there is some snap but is less likely to result in a lateral miss.
It's the elbow position. Elbow down in a push put the wrist moves up.
Elbow up on a spin putt, the wrist moves to the right for a right handed player.
I have tried doing a push putt a hundred times and I just don't get it. The disc always comes out very strange looking and inconsistent. People like Kevin, Ricky, Paul, and Hailey King all have putts where it seems like it's coming from low and in the middle. Every time I try one it never comes out flat or fast enough. If I try to add speed, it just wobbles. I consider myself a pretty good spin putter, but I know my form is not very efficient. I have the disc straight out in front of me and then I cock it back to my chest and spin it straight forward. This is the most accurate style I've found, but it's impossible to get more than 30ish feet without changing my form up. What am I not understanding about the push putt?
Gold!!!!
What happens to the Soviet kid?! I want to know the end of the story!!
good stuff
Is this in Ohio?
he is soo cool :D i wanna go on a time traveling adventure with him or something.
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I will give push putting another try I suppose.
A brilliant treatise, as always. However, what he is teaching here is not a push putt, it is a pitch putt. Yes indeed: good buddy Yeti is a Push Putter, because he opens and closes his elbow vertically, which literally does push the disc forward along the Line Of Play. Every putt which uses a straight arm, and a pitching motion is by definition, a pitch putt.
So, it is the stiff-armed pitch putt which will dominate!
It is very interesting he has done a 180 on the Wide Staggered Stance since this video was made.
But the Wide Stagger is DEFINITELY the correct stance, and a Narrow Stagger is inferior, and for many reasons.
Terrific Clinic - but Scott misses a major point here: Putts are always appropriate for the situation. A push putt is useless if you have 12 metres to go, and a low ceiling. A push putt is useless if you have something tall between you and the basket. A push putt is useless if all you have is a reach-around forehand.
So while a push-putt is excellent - you should also practice spin putts, forehand reach-outs, patent-pending reach-outs, from one knee spin-putts, from one-knee push putts, upside down putts, hammer putts, and any combination of body position and throw which might be required to make a basket.
Spin putts are best used with a low ceiling, and not thinking about it AT ALL! Just get yourself set up, while looking at the ground in front of you. When you are ready to throw, look up, pick a chain-link, and IMMEDIATELY throw into the chains. Do not hesitate for even half a second! Look up, and throw.
he didnt miss that point, you just didnt watch the video or pay attention to it
13:08
He touched on that point. He said push putt is the most accurate for sinking them inside the maximum range of your push putt. He pointed out that beyond your push putt range you will need to spin.
Best push putt video I've seen
No he explains that in detail that it is only good to a certain distance. Ricky and Paul both are making 45'ers+
Stokely=Einstein
I disagree with the focus thing. The important thing is that you do what you practice. I do take a solid 10 secs or so to line up and I do the same when I play. It works.
I do too it sounds to me that he practises what he does on the course that is what I do, no more than making sure I am lined up with my put. I use now a putt that is like his but has my other hand on the disc to guide it, that non dominate hand never really grips the disc. This allows me to keep my up and down vertical to a minimum. I also line up like a darts thrower a bit more in line then scott does. I used to basketball put with my whole body facing the basket and it worked till I came back to the sport a few years later then at that time I saw what my brother was doing I asked him what he does and turns out his is more accurate but I add the guiding hand to make that type of putt more steady from the up and down problem Sotts throw has.
it doesn't matter what you agree upon, he's saying what the study showed.
Yes, the two second mark came from the study he was describing. He then went on to point out that the two second mark comes from repetitive practice where you don't spend much more time than that on any one practice shot. He then said what you do in practice is what you should do in the real thing. If you focus for 5 or 10 seconds in practice then by all means do the same in the game.
Stokely seems like a cool dude.. wish he didn't have to be out of the game for so long.
FLfreediver27 Yeah, he is really fun to talk to. Super sarcastic sometimes too.
Just watched nick hyde memorial 2016. He doesnt even putt like this himself...
I see no difference. With spin putt, if your release point is off you will miss left or right. With push putt, if your release point is off you will miss high or low. Its all personal preference, there is no incorrect throwing technique.
+Nick Susral How would you rather miss? Higher velocity/spin miss left/right or lower velocity and spin up/down. The first gets you dangerous blow-bys, the second gets you 2-putts. (just playing devils advocate here: there are a lot of reasons to prefer the spin putt, for instance wind)
+Nick Susral Spin putting involves aiming left/right and up/down. He is saying you can eliminate the left right if you are pushing straight at the target.
+Nick Susral You also missed the point about error, a small wrist motion left or right can end up being a huge error left or right by the time the putt gets to the basket. If you are push putting, it involves your entire arm instead of just a small joint. Thus if your hand is a bit high or bit low, it doesn't matter nearly as much because it is a bigger swinging motion. The wrist with such a small motion has a much larger marginal error.
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Heres A Tip That will help improve your Game. When done right combinding the two techniques you will increase your odds of getting it in the Basket
how to achieve this is by starting off with A Push Putt then at your final release hand over the Disc to the Basket Like A Waiter Serving you Fine Wine Palm up thumb towards the Basket release Disc. This combination Using Both Push & spin Allows you to make Putts in further distances without needing to Jump Putt.
Another reason: pitch putt is using larger muscle groups. You'd expect a putt using larger muscles and more body motion to be more consistent than one using smaller muscles and less body mass because moving something light is inherently more variable than moving something heavy.
I like to go for it every time. That’s why I don’t play for money.
Spin putt after you decide to play aggressive.
disc golf would be to Bourgeois for the Soviet Union lol
Taught 150 classes wrong. In 10 years from now he'll admit this class was wrong
SLC putt
Great video btw
I'm A Expert Putter Putting is everything no matter how far away you are from the Basket never think your to far Away to Make A Shot Always focus using your Domanate Eye to the Point you want to hit then once you have found your focal Point open both eyes get Grounded Balanced confident Confirm to your self then complete your shot.
An expert? Whats your rating homie?
I don't Have A Putting Rating but my overall rating is A 922 I Know I'm not the Best That's gonna take some more Practice on Driving in my Game...
As soon as you said spin put is for dinosaurs you lost me. Everyone is different what works for one person doesnt work for everyone. Other than that great video
Dinosaurs have short arms. It's the perfect putt for them.
@@StevenCain22 simon and eagle have fairly long arms and there spin putting machines.
@@sphdg I'm not arguing your point. I'm just saying that dinosaurs had to spin putt due to their short arms.