Everyone here bashing a Kia, have never owned one. I still drive a 2006 Spectra with 210k miles. I bought it brand new, for $15k. It came with 4 wheel discs, Bluetooth.. 10 years later it's still going strong. Meanwhile, my Explorer died. Replaced it with a Pathfinder and discovered the horrible reliability of Nissan America (dealer explained American Nissans are Renault's since they own a share of Nissan.) I bought another Kia, this time a Sorento. I fucking love it. Don't knock Kias... this is how Toyota & Honda started, look at them today.
BS, people do not need to own one to know the massive recall Kia/Hyundai is facing with their engines and connecting rods, usually cylinder 3 that will break. You know the thing that holds the pistons and move it up and down, yea that thing will destroy itself. They're giving replacement engines, that's how bad it is. The have major issues with carbon buildup, oil starvation, valve guides, and rotting fuel lines that leaks fuel into the engine bay. The interior trim rattles, even when fairly new, the glue used will lose it's adhesiveness, and older cars have terrible road noise. They also have a class action lawsuit on paint peeling and lets not forget the Kia boys. Nissan America? You must be kidding me. Nissan has been owned by Renault since 1999. It's not Nissan America, it's the entire Nissan brand. You can't compare Honda and Toyota, they started since the 60s when cars for the mass was still new and milling was still by hand. Koreans had it easier coming out during the tech age. Just because you own a Kia, or course you will say they're good cars. But I bet you your 2006 Spectra doesn't ride anywhere near my 2006 BMW E90, which still drives great, and interior has minimum rattles and road noise is surprisingly better than most new cars. I can still cruise at 85mph easily without stressing the engine. A Spectra will sound like a warzone at those speed.
I have a 2016 Optima SXL Turbo. Beautiful car! Fun, fast and luxurious. Small tip, though... Get Michelin Premier tires. Gives better handling and grip to the road. No more tire squeeling when you boot it or take a turn fast.
Nice!! I own a 2013 that I bought for my wife the SX model. It's such a fun car to drive with the 274 hp turbo you can feel the power as soon as u step on the gas. Outstanding job Kia
I bought a 2015 LX and I love it. Just wish it had a small block chevy motor and rear wheel drive, you know like cars are supposed to be. I want more grunt when you step on the go pedal. It makes a great family car, the first 4 door car I've ever owned. It's quiet, gets 28 mpg with me having a heavy foot, no wind noise and very quiet inside. I did dropped it 1 inch with a set of Eibach springs and upgraded the wheels to 18's with 235/45/18's and installed a bazooka in the trunk with 100 watt amp and replaced all speakers in the doors with 300 watt Kenwood speakers, also just changed the low beam headlights to LED's, soon to replace all the bulbs with LED's. I retired in 2015 so I don't drive much anymore it's only got 42k on the odo and is garaged most all the time so it still looks like new.
I currently own a 2014 Kia Sorento but before this vehicle I owned a 2012 Optima. Both are great vehicles. No complaints from me! I will probably go with the redisigned 2017 Sorento next!
Hard to tell it from before. Going to the new-generation Hyundai generic interior design scheme works here Better than last year's. Great budget luxury car in SX/SXL trim. Stylish.
MotorTrend did a 7.3 second run and 15.4 in the quarter. 5.9 seconds is not believable at all. 3600lbs, front drive, slush box automatic, 245hp, there's no way in hell it's doing 5.9. The math doesn't add up. Kia and Hyundai are known for inconsistent performance. This car is slow. It's peak power on paper with poor delivery. It's probably a terrible drivetrain that's sapping the wheel horsepower.
How did they manage to make 245HP and 260TQ so slow? 7.1 sec to 60 is pathetic for that much power. 15.4 is .1 sec faster than my Mazda3 AWD hatch that only makes 186/186.
+counkev Fuel economy only happens to be better.... if you YOURSELF moderate the gas pedal. Its not the EPA numbers, or the NHTSA, or the Mags or the OEMs that make any change in it at all. Fuel eco is how you drive it.. COMPLETELY.
@@SlidTossedPissed Terrible logic. Of course it's how you drive, but if you drive both cars the same, the Accord will get better mpg. It's not that hard to figure out.
+rnorred1986 Kia and Hyundai have built their lineup on the fact that VERY few people who buy their competition cars == Accord or Camry ever buy the V6. Most stay with the 4, accounting for over 80% of sales volume. NOW, With that said... there is no reason from their prospective to have a 6cyl if few even bother to buy it. ALSO, when was the last time you actually PUNCHED it enough to FEEL the V6? Past 70? Past 90? Past 110? I doubt youd notice the difference between the 2ltr Turbo... and your Camry.
Terrible. If you like your car stolen, oil starvation, carbon buildup, peeling paint, interior rattles, and favor broken connecting rods, then buy it. Better how that connecting rod goes before your warranty because it requires a new engine.
by the time you step up to the "hot rod motor" in the SX, for close to that price, you can get the base Maxima S which will blow the doors off of this thing in performance, comfort and looks...(nothing like a smooth V6)
Nissan is at the very bottom of consumer reports... the cvt is junk, and so is the 3.5 Nissans are rebadged Renault junk. That Kia will live much longer than that Nissan.
Know of which you speak; I had an '07 Altima 3.5SE with 170K miles with not one transmission issue (or any other unscheduled maintenace on that car). I am now the proud owner of the '16 Maxima because of it; nothing like the seemless acceleration only a CVT can provide...
+mitchlu use Google, and tell me how wonderful Nissans are. They rank dead last in consumer reports, because they're junk. ESPECIALLY the cvts. even motor Trend shed light on how horrible they are. I owned a Nissan myself. It was junk. I call bullshit on your nonsense, considering the internet agrees with me
+mitchlu here's another article. this one mentions Kia & Hyundai's drastic improvement, and Infiniti Nissans plummet. www.consumerreports.org/cars/highlights-consumer-reports-2015-annual-auto-reliability-survey/
Just upgrade the exhaust , and throw a turbo charger on there . And you should get close to the mid to low 6 range which is acceptable for such a big sedan
I think you should get urs checked, likegrass.com/toyota-camry-2012-white/1-super-white-2012-toyota-camry-se-exterior-photo-60746948/ either google and or look here and tell me its not similar? if ur still gona be stubborn thats ur opinion this is mine.
@@shopwithaaron Stop it, you're not getting 5.7 from 245hp through a FWD 6spd automatic while weighing 3600lbs without driver. MotorTrend on a prep track got 7.3 seconds, that's with a 1ft rollout. This car is a turd.
+Paultwice22 you have to look at trap speed. 91mph is indicative of the top end power and less reliant on traction. turbos will perform much better in cooler air too. This car is just slow...
+oldtwins you have to remember it's still only 2.0 liters plus the added weight of increased wheel base., more technology (automatic braking) causes more weight to be added., however I believe with a V6 they will see that time drop a half second to a full second at best.
Chevy Camaro, as large as it is, will soon offer a 2.0 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder motor with slightly more horsepower and it's 0 - 60 will be about 4.5 seconds. Why can't the Optima at least be competitive with Honda and Toyota??
One of the best looking cars in the price range. Period!
JunsuPaek
You right
Mazda6, Ford fusion, and (2017-18?) xse camry are the only ones that rival it
Everyone here bashing a Kia, have never owned one. I still drive a 2006 Spectra with 210k miles. I bought it brand new, for $15k. It came with 4 wheel discs, Bluetooth.. 10 years later it's still going strong.
Meanwhile, my Explorer died. Replaced it with a Pathfinder and discovered the horrible reliability of Nissan America (dealer explained American Nissans are Renault's since they own a share of Nissan.)
I bought another Kia, this time a Sorento. I fucking love it. Don't knock Kias... this is how Toyota & Honda started, look at them today.
yeah...same as u buying a spectra 04 still going strong with 95500 km in it,reserving my money for an optima just for the good comfort n suspension
I agree with you also I still see some old KIA cars around and in good shape still.
@@steveespinola7652 Nice this Kia Optima, great and cool car
BS, people do not need to own one to know the massive recall Kia/Hyundai is facing with their engines and connecting rods, usually cylinder 3 that will break. You know the thing that holds the pistons and move it up and down, yea that thing will destroy itself. They're giving replacement engines, that's how bad it is. The have major issues with carbon buildup, oil starvation, valve guides, and rotting fuel lines that leaks fuel into the engine bay. The interior trim rattles, even when fairly new, the glue used will lose it's adhesiveness, and older cars have terrible road noise. They also have a class action lawsuit on paint peeling and lets not forget the Kia boys.
Nissan America? You must be kidding me. Nissan has been owned by Renault since 1999. It's not Nissan America, it's the entire Nissan brand. You can't compare Honda and Toyota, they started since the 60s when cars for the mass was still new and milling was still by hand. Koreans had it easier coming out during the tech age.
Just because you own a Kia, or course you will say they're good cars. But I bet you your 2006 Spectra doesn't ride anywhere near my 2006 BMW E90, which still drives great, and interior has minimum rattles and road noise is surprisingly better than most new cars. I can still cruise at 85mph easily without stressing the engine. A Spectra will sound like a warzone at those speed.
I have a 2016 Optima SXL Turbo. Beautiful car! Fun, fast and luxurious. Small tip, though... Get Michelin Premier tires. Gives better handling and grip to the road. No more tire squeeling when you boot it or take a turn fast.
I have the same model and want upgrade the tires, definitely think this could be a 6 second 0-60 car with the improved traction
Nice!! I own a 2013 that I bought for my wife the SX model. It's such a fun car to drive with the 274 hp turbo you can feel the power as soon as u step on the gas. Outstanding job Kia
I bought a 2015 LX and I love it. Just wish it had a small block chevy motor and rear wheel drive, you know like cars are supposed to be. I want more grunt when you step on the go pedal. It makes a great family car, the first 4 door car I've ever owned. It's quiet, gets 28 mpg with me having a heavy foot, no wind noise and very quiet inside. I did dropped it 1 inch with a set of Eibach springs and upgraded the wheels to 18's with 235/45/18's and installed a bazooka in the trunk with 100 watt amp and replaced all speakers in the doors with 300 watt Kenwood speakers, also just changed the low beam headlights to LED's, soon to replace all the bulbs with LED's. I retired in 2015 so I don't drive much anymore it's only got 42k on the odo and is garaged most all the time so it still looks like new.
I currently own a 2014 Kia Sorento but before this vehicle I owned a 2012 Optima. Both are great vehicles. No complaints from me! I will probably go with the redisigned 2017 Sorento next!
Dammit. I love the blue exterior but I want the brown/red interior.
What about the carbon build ups in those GDI engines? Is it not a concern?
Looks you cleaned up the track a bit!
Hard to tell it from before.
Going to the new-generation Hyundai generic interior design scheme works here
Better than last year's. Great budget luxury car in SX/SXL trim. Stylish.
What about braking?
Love my optima lx 2016
Too much wheelspin for the 0-60 run. Need to keep the traction control on.
7.1sec thats crazy did you do that on ecco mode? AOA did that in 5.9 sec and some in low 6 sec,,
A lot of wheel-spin on their run. Probably contributed to it
MotorTrend did a 7.3 second run and 15.4 in the quarter. 5.9 seconds is not believable at all. 3600lbs, front drive, slush box automatic, 245hp, there's no way in hell it's doing 5.9. The math doesn't add up. Kia and Hyundai are known for inconsistent performance. This car is slow. It's peak power on paper with poor delivery. It's probably a terrible drivetrain that's sapping the wheel horsepower.
How did they manage to make 245HP and 260TQ so slow? 7.1 sec to 60 is pathetic for that much power. 15.4 is .1 sec faster than my Mazda3 AWD hatch that only makes 186/186.
That amount of power and only 7.1 Sec. 0-60? The Honda Accord V6 gets a faster 0-60 and better fuel economy.
That's the upside of a properly matched V6 with impeccable engineering ! Turbo sounds fast but lose steam after max rpm have been reached.
+counkev
Fuel economy only happens to be better.... if you YOURSELF moderate the gas pedal.
Its not the EPA numbers, or the NHTSA, or the Mags or the OEMs that make any change in it at all.
Fuel eco is how you drive it.. COMPLETELY.
@@SlidTossedPissed Terrible logic. Of course it's how you drive, but if you drive both cars the same, the Accord will get better mpg. It's not that hard to figure out.
If they put their 3.3L V6 under the hood, it would be much more of a looker for me. No V6 = No thanks. I'll stick with my 2015 V6 Camry.
Why? When the kia 2.0t puts out more torque
+rnorred1986
Kia and Hyundai have built their lineup on the fact that VERY few people who buy their competition cars == Accord or Camry ever buy the V6. Most stay with the 4, accounting for over 80% of sales volume.
NOW,
With that said... there is no reason from their prospective to have a 6cyl if few even bother to buy it.
ALSO, when was the last time you actually PUNCHED it enough to FEEL the V6? Past 70? Past 90? Past 110?
I doubt youd notice the difference between the 2ltr Turbo... and your Camry.
Can anyone tell me how reliable are Kia Automobiles? Thinking about the Optima or getting the K5
Terrible. If you like your car stolen, oil starvation, carbon buildup, peeling paint, interior rattles, and favor broken connecting rods, then buy it. Better how that connecting rod goes before your warranty because it requires a new engine.
by the time you step up to the "hot rod motor" in the SX, for close to that price, you can get the base Maxima S which will blow the doors off of this thing in performance, comfort and looks...(nothing like a smooth V6)
Nissan is at the very bottom of consumer reports... the cvt is junk, and so is the 3.5
Nissans are rebadged Renault junk. That Kia will live much longer than that Nissan.
Know of which you speak; I had an '07 Altima 3.5SE with 170K miles with not one transmission issue (or any other unscheduled maintenace on that car). I am now the proud owner of the '16 Maxima because of it; nothing like the seemless acceleration only a CVT can provide...
+mitchlu use Google, and tell me how wonderful Nissans are. They rank dead last in consumer reports, because they're junk. ESPECIALLY the cvts. even motor Trend shed light on how horrible they are. I owned a Nissan myself. It was junk. I call bullshit on your nonsense, considering the internet agrees with me
+mitchlu www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/10/reality-check-on-new-car-reliability/index.htm
+mitchlu here's another article. this one mentions Kia & Hyundai's drastic improvement, and Infiniti Nissans plummet.
www.consumerreports.org/cars/highlights-consumer-reports-2015-annual-auto-reliability-survey/
the look is gonna grow on me but i miss the extra horsepower. 7.1 seconds to 60 is nothing special for a midsize sedan now.
Just upgrade the exhaust , and throw a turbo charger on there . And you should get close to the mid to low 6 range which is acceptable for such a big sedan
looks like a 2012 camry, bad numbers for a 2L turbo
Have your eyes checked ....and your brain while our at it! Looks nothing like a 2012 Camry. The lines & contours are totally more refined & stylish!
I think you should get urs checked,
likegrass.com/toyota-camry-2012-white/1-super-white-2012-toyota-camry-se-exterior-photo-60746948/
either google and or look here and tell me its not similar? if ur still gona be stubborn thats ur opinion this is mine.
Hang on....I'm gonna punch it...Such great low-mid range torque!! 2017 SXL, 5.7 or so easy! That's a greasy launch pad.
@@shopwithaaron Stop it, you're not getting 5.7 from 245hp through a FWD 6spd automatic while weighing 3600lbs without driver. MotorTrend on a prep track got 7.3 seconds, that's with a 1ft rollout. This car is a turd.
I'll keep my 2011 model thank you =)
Why is the man shouting all the time?
2011 sx had better performance times and better fuel mileage so i would say kia should probably go back to the drawing board
slow for the power
Track was probably cold
+Paultwice22 you have to look at trap speed. 91mph is indicative of the top end power and less reliant on traction. turbos will perform much better in cooler air too. This car is just slow...
+Paultwice22 Cold means more boost.
+oldtwins i mean for traction on the tires
+oldtwins you have to remember it's still only 2.0 liters plus the added weight of increased wheel base., more technology (automatic braking) causes more weight to be added., however I believe with a V6 they will see that time drop a half second to a full second at best.
I like the old one better
+ray britton Agreed.. Looks like they just beat the old one with an ugly stick and called it a refresh.
I agree. they got rid of the foglights too for this....
Isn't that what Audi, BMW and Mercedes do?
Does this test driver have to look so serious? lighten up you stiff 😳
+chad harmon LOL
Hiy. You're A Good Frieng. reproduce side $
doesn't look expensive from the outside , buy the base car or buy a base real luxury sedan
remmember that a base luxury brand car would have less tek and features
It does look expensive in person their camera makes everything look lack luster .
Chevy Camaro, as large as it is, will soon offer a 2.0 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder motor with slightly more horsepower and it's 0 - 60 will be about 4.5 seconds. Why can't the Optima at least be competitive with Honda and Toyota??
They are choosing a different path, more luxury, and features with just enough power to pass without gassing it lol
Too slow