Neo Geo ROM Cart Comparison
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I just got my consolized MVS and the NeoSD. There’s nothing like owning a real Neo Geo after wanting one for the last 30 years.
I have a standard Neo SD and I do not complain about load times really. If I want to play KOF2003 or similar longload time game, I get myself a glass of water or something, or check a quick youtube video. It even makes me more committed to play the game rather than zap through many of them.
You gotta new sub here! These rom carts are awesome! Good job with the comparison.
NES roms has multiple files too, those just got merged into a single file, that's why those roms need headers, not just identify the mappers but also to identify where each data parts starts and ends inside the file
Nice Rob!! This looks to be a other amazing video. You make some of the greatest and most informative videos on CZcams. Thank you sir! I couldn’t click fast enough when I saw this!! ;)
Thank you!
Oh man thanks so much for this, been waiting a really long time for a factual breakdown of these carts instead of mudslinging and fanboying.
I'm glad there is finally a video about this, even if it's after I already made a purchase. Leading up to the purchase there was pretty much no good info.
great video! I have the first version of the NEO SD and its just fine for me. Also that Rust in peace flying V in the background is super tight, MEGADETH!
Megadeth is cool, but those picture top guitars are tacky AF.
@@V1C10US personally, I think they make sweet art pieces.... to each his own
Awesome work man.
Thank you for making this video. I am a huge SNK fan...fanatic. I have a Neo Geo AES "White Box" in mint condition. I also have an MVS Candy Cab running in my home. As a huge Neo Geo fan, I want others to experience the games for themselves. Not everyone is going to want to plunk $750+ dollars for single AES carts. You should also touch base on Super Guns as they at least to me are the best bang for your money.
I own the neo-sd pro, it is well worth it.
Great video I know nothing about neo geo never even played one this will be useful when I get into neo geo
The PSP has an impressive NeoGeo emulator, but the roms take some work to setup for it. The same emu author made CPS1, CPS2, & NeoCD emulators, which you can find bundled together with the NeoGeo emu. They use MAME roms, include the tools to edit the roms, support MAME command list for in-game move lists, support homebrew & decrypted roms, and on NeoCD, supports MP3 audio (saves space). V2.3.5 is the latest version that I am aware of.
I definitely recommend the slim models over the original fat model due to the increased RAM from 32MB to 64MB. The fat model uses different versions of the emulators (except CPS1), requires larger cache files to be made for NeoGeo games, cache files for CPS2 games (not required on slim models), a plain looking menu for selecting games, & poorer overall compatibility. I have tested all of of these things that I am telling you, very thoroughly on a per-game basis.
I hope you or someone finds this info, useful.
Great video Bob...thanks.
The important thing is that these types of cartridges exist, over time they can improve and even appear new competitors at a better price.
I think I’d choose Darksoft due to his ongoing commitment to evolving the thing, they should look at the UI used in the mac emulator OpenEMU with large thumnails instead of the current windows 95 look.
Just Bought the SD Pro. Everything for the neo geo is so dam expensive the console, the games even the everdrive/flash cart. i could have gone the emulation route but nothing beats putting in the cart and using the real neo geo controller.
As an owner or the standard Terraonion neo sd I'm very happy and don't have an issue waiting for a few minutes for games to load. Eventually I'll get a neosd pro.
Great Complet Review ...
Nicely done, and totaly fare regarding the 3 solutions !!
My choice goes to DarkSoft MVS for "only" 435$
cuirously, i prefere the darksoft skin menu, it's more NeoGeo "Made of"
I've got an NEOGEO shell with MVS hardware inside :) and a really nice Scanline RGB processor with HDMI out :)
(i know it's a crime but i have too much MVS cards... so i took that choice ), believe me, it's insanly beautiful even on 4K TV ...
1 more sub for you... continue doing good works !!!
Great video Bob! I think it's clear the Neo SD Pro is the best so far!
The best if you like to wait seeing games load
Meow!!! It's the best if you want to run all original games plus homebrew! The interface looks nice on the Darksoft cart, I have to admit!
I agree darksoft is way better at loading. It loads way faster!
I made the decision to go with real hardware twice! I got the MVS motherboard/supergun combo and an AES 😎😎😎.
Really interested in getting a Neo SD Pro
Excellent video! I have a NeoSD AES that I got from Stone Age Gamer and it's awesome but the cartridge has a really tight fit on my Neo Geo AES, and it feels like I could brake it when taking it out. Granted, once I placed the Micro SD card with all the ROMs in it, I don't really need to take the NeoSD AES out of the console often. Does your NeoSD AES also have a tight fit on your Neo Geo AES as well?
All the ones I've tried seem to fit about the same as a real cart...but on my console even real carts seem to be a tight fit!
We need a tutorial on ripping our own games from Neo Geo X, Neo Geo X Mega Pack, and Neo Geo Mini. Then’s you’d totally own all that for your AES, legit! ;)
Great Video!! I recently sold a Neo SD AES and bought an AES 161-in-1. Both are excellent for what they do. Neo SD is absolutely fantastic for having every game. The 161-in-1 is great for instant loading & also some games have both MVS intros with music (I.e. Garou, Last Blade 2) (something not possible on Neo SD if you have regular bios, as playing original roms in MVS mode having intro sound is a hardware setting).
The SD Pro looks to be better than both though. Haven't seen a detailed video on it before!
Robin i didn’t get what you meant by the bios thing, plus what exactly is the MVS intros with music??
Do you know if the 161 in 1 cart offers cheats? I am guessing no, but thought it couldn’t hurt to ask. Thanks
With being a Mac guy is there a place I could get a fully loaded micro sd card for the sd pro?
When are they releasing the SD Pro MVS? I would love to get one of those.
It's out now.
Hi Rob, thank you for this very good and informative video. I bought the NeoSD Pro (AES) as soon as it was available, and I have a little question: it is possible that it draws a bit more current than a standard Neo-Geo AES cartridge? I ask that because I have zero problems with my AES carts, even the bigger ones, but *very rarely* and *very randomly* if I load a game with the Neo SD Pro, some graphical glitches do appear. The same graphical glitches that usually happens on the AES when one uses a not powerful enough AC/DC adapter or has some power problems. It seems to be more frequent on the RAM slot. I am still waiting for the capacitor set to renew my AES, I'll see if that makes a difference.
I think those glitches are a known issue. The original Neo SD did it and it was fixed relatively quickly via firmware. My Pro did it too, but power cycling fixed it. Some notes:
- My AES is recapped and I'm using a brand new Triad 3.5a PSU. Should be more than enough.
- The "graphical glitches" were major, not little quirks. In my opinion, that's a GOOD thing: See the glitch right as the game boots, hit reset, all done. In contrast, I saw no glitches that appears after it was powered on for a bit, only stuff that showed up immediately, thereby not affecting gameplay.
Does that just up line up with what you saw, or are you noticing other glitches?
I had a 3-5 AES sent to me because of graphical glitches on scaled sprites in “certain games,” notably, the owner’s copy of the original Fatal Fury. The owner assumed it was the AES since his copy of the game didn’t do it in his other consoles (he had more than one). At first it didn’t seem to do it on my 3-6 console either.
The speckles seems to go away when I ran his 9v console on lower and lower voltages but I soon realized that the most notable speckles were on the Fatal Fury logo before it scales up to the title screen. Sure enough, there were speckles there on my console too. I bought a copy of Fatal Fury for myself and the speckles were gone no matter which power supply or console I used.
No doubt, it’s still power-related but I suspect there’s something wrong with the cartridge and not the console. Similarly, I’ve seen reports about the 161-in-1 having scaling issues in some games without power or diode mods.
@@RetroRGBsimilar scenario for me (minus the recap for now). I must add that when the glitches happen, in my case they are always in the first layer, the one used for example for titles, scores, "Player 2 press start" etc. Also the very first Neo-geo logo is corrupted. The rest of the graphic is perfectly fine. But I also just recently found out that if I don't insert the NeoSD cart right to the bottom of the AES slot, but *just* a little less, the corruption disappears (with original carts no problem, no matter how they are inserted). So maybe is more of a mechanical issue, not a power one.
@@emmettturner9452 in the case of the Neo SD Pro and my AES (3-6) combination I now suspect there is a *really slight* mechanical tolerance problem, that with original Neo carts I have is not there. As I said in the other comment, if I don't fully and firmly plug the Neo SD pro right to the bottom of the slot, but just a tiny little bit less (I mean *a very little* less), the problem seems to never present itself. I'll recap the AES anyway.
our neo geos are very very old hardware, have you had yours recapped at all? it could be surface mount power regulation does not work as effectively as its meant to, and the multicarts probably do have a slightly higher energy footprint compared to a standard eprom based cart.
This was extremely useful when making a decision on which cart to purchase. I decided on the NeoSd as it is currently significantly cheaper from Terra onion's website. You mentioned that the NeoSD saves high scores to the Sd card. Does that mean that the Neo memory card is no longer needed or does it serve any other useful functions?
How is the flash cart holding up today?
I have a question: If i get a AES unibios 4.0 system, can I plug MVS carts in it?
No, you need an adapter. IF you buy a cartridge adapter, then yes.
Hello 👋 great video ❤. Do these rom carts come with games already installed on the sd card? If not can you please tell me where I can get the games.
No, that would be very illegal. Some basic google searching should get you what you need.
Is there still any advantage to having a unibios installed if using these carts?
It makes swapping regions easier, or going between AES and MVS modes. Otherwise, it's not necessary for any of these rom carts.
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www.etsy.com/shop/shmashup Sorry, I forgot to add it to the description. It's there now though!
How do these Mvs carts compare to existing 161 in one carts you can find for $130??
The older 161'in'1's run at the wrong voltage and can damage your console. The newer ones aren't as scary, but it's still apples and oranges: A low quality multi cart with bad audio issues, vs two devices that can play the entire library exactly as accurate as the originals. Fair question, but not even close to the same thing.
Great video. I love flash carts, I just absolutely can’t stomach the $400-600 price tag for these. A good option for original hardware if you don’t want to pay that much is to get a 161-1 multicart and unibios 4.0. The pick-n-mix feature allows changing between games easily and is a lot more affordable.
I noticed the corrupted neogeo unibios boot gfx (at 6:01) on your darksoft cart, please tell me you aren't running firmware that old :) It's had many improvements since they fixed that particular bug. Menu has had major updates along with many other fixes and new stuff since then too.
I tested with both the firmware that shipped with the AES cart (the one that EVERYONE who bought an AES cart is using) AND re-tested my boot measurements with the latest beta firmware. The menu was on the latest public firmware...although a new one was released the day after this video. Load times might be a few seconds off, but this video is a solid representation of what the cart is like...which I thought was good!
Where can we buy that sweet shirt??
Oh crap, I forgot the link!!!!: www.etsy.com/shop/shmashup
With the latest Darksoft update homebrew games are supported
Where do I purchase the Neo sd pro from to have that information would be great
Kamar Rawlings Terraonion.com
also there's stoneagegamer.com
Do you think that the new Neo Geo consoles being discussed will be the definitive way to play Neo Geo on a budget? Obviously we only know they're coming and this is all speculation.
Yes. No doubt. Just a few months away too...
If anyone is wondering what Bob is talking about with his comment about the “bootleg” Beverly Hills Cop theme in Knight Rider, look up “Don Peake Junk Yard Dog” here on CZcams. It’s a rip-off of the the low-key version you might hear while Eddie Murphy’s character sneaks around and investigates in Beverly Hills Cop. Compare to the original Axel F theme.
Can the darksoft version play CD games?
I own the Darksoft cart because I trust his track record, and I refuse to buy a flash cart that forces you to register it to download firmware.
Darksoft also offers great support on his forum arcade-projects.com
@@lee3r24 Thanks guys. I don't know if you have noticed but every single feature that I added to the Neo Multi cart was copied by NeoSD, for example using several Slots, using Ram instead of flash. You all know that we won't stop adding features to this cart.
Darksoft_ and_Walsdawg where can I buy your cart online? Located in Canada
Exactly, the PSIO is probably the worst offender of the behaviour in this hobby. But Terraonion also has some isn't exactly a trustworthy manufacturer/seller and have had, and acted on, a illegal ToS within the EU (where they are based). And if you have a secondary market for fixing flaws of your electronics design you obviously have issues, especially if you refuse the help of exactly the people that are fixing your work...
I honestly don't get why some people almost religiously defend such questionable or outright shitty practices, especially when there are alternatives at similar price points.
Was conflicted. But now I'm grabbing the Darksoft. Thanks for the info
I picked up a MVS board only to realize the NeoSD Pro doesn't exist for the MVS boards. Will they be coming out with that model? Anytime soon?
What about the problems MadLittlePixel was having with the Darksoft Multi such as sound glitches? Have they been Ironed out?
Is there a way to tie in the Neo Geo big red's marquee with these flash carts so when they change games so too does the light on the marquee?
- MVS version of the pro is definitely coming this year. Hopefully soon.
- Both Darksoft and Terrainion have historically fixed every NG bug found. I'm confident whatever MLP found, DS will fix.
- EXCELLENT question! I don't think so, but maybe the USB or serial port on the Pro could do that? Definitely email them to ask.
@@RetroRGB rumor was that there may be a way to do that using the USB port and some custom coding and controller.
Interesting.
I read darksoft is doing another run of the mvs cart but only if he get 75 people interested. Does anyone know if this video is up to date? I think some carts can now play cd games now but not 100% sure. Edit: Nevermind, I read the description 😂
The load times on NeoSD really sucks! The waiting time to load a game makes the AES looks like a Neo Geo CD. If you like to play different games from time to time, be prepare to wait a lot between each game. The curious thing is: If you have a Neo Geo CD with a SD loader installed, you get lower loading times in general changing games than on NeoSD
“ in the old days “ we have MVS to AES cartridge converters so you can buy MVS carts for a quarter of the price over AES carts, really cant get more “arcade perfect “ than the real arcade card, if you actually play the games you just need MVS carts, much better playing than sitting on selves, but better be quick as even MVS carts are now beginning to go for AES cart prices 5 years ago
Skip the menu and boot directly to game should be excatly the same on the NeoSD and the NeoSD Pro, just like an original cart.
Mmmm Mark of the Wolves tune in the background....
Where to buy?
Links are in the description, but both are out of stock at the moment.
I don’t mind loading times.
Isn't it important that you inform people that the NeoSD Pro can also load Neo Geo CD games to the AES console?
You mean like when I already did that almost a year ago?: czcams.com/video/QYKR2r0XynE/video.html
Arcade neo-geo MVS hardware is much cheaper than the AES stuff, including the games.
Nowhere near as much as it used to be. MVS carts have become stupidly overpriced now, as well. Just like everything 8-32-bit.
Thanks for the fair and unbiased video!
Not that you'd deserve that from Bob, but there you go
I doubled my Patreon contribution to Bob / RetroRGB a long time ago - specifically because Terraonion and others unfairly disparaged him. I value his contribution to retro gaming enthusiasts and the preservation cause.
It's absolutely more than they deserve from Bob.
Hi i have problems trying to order from your site you won't charge my card already sent a mail. And no response Please help.
Man I wish I could get one but these are all sold out everywhere 😑
They have it set low so that stupid people don't try to remove the SD card while the power is on
what is the recommended cart for mvs user?
Christ, I don't think I will ever have the money spare to buy one of these things. The $AU is just too crap these days, and being € for some options makes it even worse as the dollar has never been worth more than €.66.
I would love to have a ROM cart so I don't have to use my originals carts, but unless a far cheaper option comes along, I cannot see it happening. I would be able to buy 2 or 4 NG games for the price which makes it even harder to justify to myself. Or a bunch of Famicom, MEGA DRIVE, PC Engine, Saturn and SuFami games, for that matter. I guess I could sell a spare AES console...
The only problem with these are the price. Seriosuly i bought an cmvs for 200 these are atleast twice that, sure its flashcart but thats just a bit out there id happily pay 200-250 for one at most.
They are expensive but they are also substantially more involved than the "mainstream" consoles. Replicating NeoGeo carts vs replicating a NES or Genesis requires considerably more power and storage. Just consider the size of the games themselves. NES games coming in at hundreds of kb or a few mb. Versus the NeoGeo having 768mb officially. But I absolutely understand that a lower price would be easier to handle.
I know you're trying to be on the fence, but objectively (in my mind at least) the Darksoft Multi is better. $40 more for faster loading of new games and the ability to swap between 3 easily, as well as no serial number closed off firmware nonsense.
Almost impossible to get hold of the AES versions of these carts now.
if I ever get into neo geo i'm going hold off from all of these products. The Price of these are stupid high... like they're overcharging customers just because they can. The load times seem ridiculous. Still leaves more room for other competition.
Why is it 500$?
In short, the parts that are needed to make this cost MUCH more than the parts needed to make ROM carts for other consoles like Genesis or SNES. Hopefully the prices will come down at some point though.
In short: because it’s niche and the disparity between the costs of legitimately playing those games on original hardware without it is even greater... despite the higher price.
Yes, it’s also significantly more complex than your usual flashcart.
In addition to the existing answers:
100x as many snes consoles sold over AES, so smaller market.
NeoGeo owners are more hardcore collectors, and are willing to pony up for accessories
A system with insane priced games needs a insane priced flashcart, I guess...
You're the only person I know of that call them "ROM carts".
So expensive is’t because you get a converter and play cheap MVS carts on the AES. Do that since 2006. Have the Super MVS Converter V2 on my Neo Geo AES. The Multigame 161 IN 1 works perfect on it. Play the Metal Slug games and Shmups on it. Have 1 mint AES US Dogtag Last Resort game. And 9 US MVS carts Metal Slug, Metal Slug 2, Metal Slug X, Metal Slug 3. Shock Troopers, Magician Lord, Viewpoint, Pulstar and Blazing Star.
MVS with Unibios 4.0 and a 161-in-1 cart is my setup of choice, for the cost.
That cart is killing your consoles: db-electronics.ca/2017/07/05/the-dangers-of-3-3v-flash-in-retro-consoles/#Neo_Geo_161_in_1
You can all feel free to argue away about this, but I'm not going to respond, as this has been discussed to death: Everdrives and the carts in the video are all fine and there's no realistic chance of harm to your consoles...but these Neo Geo and NES x-in-1 carts WILL kill your consoles and I've already had friends' MV1C's (as well as NES consoles) die as a result.
It's your choice to use them, but don't tell other people to do so, without telling them it'll kill their consoles.
Original Wii, retroarch, 240p component, CRT, arcade stick, good to go.
Some chap in China really needs to make an affordable version of these rather than the old and sad 161in1 cart.
There is no reason these multicarts should be that bloody expensive. The components involved in making them dont come even close to justify 400-600 dollars.
not worth it is a flash cart ! not a original game i rather buy 1 neogeo game for 450$ like sonic wings 2 for the aes and let sonic wings increase it price value on your collection or closet
with a flash cart you cant do that.and it will get cheaper after new versions or updates releases people are getting ripoff here
...the neogeo flash cart should be less no more 130$ dollars..but..450$ ?
Its kind of funny how life is. You collect all these super rare expensive games so that you can put them your dusty shelf to buy a rom cart. Yet in the beginning you thought you were too good to play a rom.
I never thought I was "too good" for anything. And if you have, you may want to spend a moment self-reflecting.
Why don't you just emulate? D'uh!
Dude those load times will guarantee emulation for me. Why are the load times so horrible?
Neo Geo was just a Quarter grabber as a kid....why would I want the extra frustration to add this to my adulthood...
These are way overpriced. Just get multicart from China for about 80 bucks, and not have to deal with load times.
That cart is killing your consoles: db-electronics.ca/2017/07/05/the-dangers-of-3-3v-flash-in-retro-consoles/#Neo_Geo_161_in_1
You can all feel free to argue away about this, but I'm not going to respond, as this has been discussed to death: Everdrives and the carts in the video are all fine and there's no realistic chance of harm to your consoles...but these Neo Geo and NES x-in-1 carts WILL kill your consoles and I've already had friends' MV1C's (as well as NES consoles) die as a result.
bullshit article those multicart from china are made for mvs not the aes
those carts you showing here
not worth it is a flash cart ! not a original game i rather buy 1 neogeo game for 450$ like sonic wings 2 for the aes and let sonic wings increase it price value on your collection or closet
with a flash cart you cant do that.and it will get cheaper after new versions or updates releases people are getting ripoff here
...the neogeo flash cart should be less no more 130$ dollars..but..450$ ?
not worth it is flash cart ! not a original game i rather buy 1 neogeo game for 450$ like sonic wings 2 for the aes and let sonic wings increase it price value on your collection or closet
with a flash cart you cant do.and it will get cheaper after new versions or updates you r getting ripoff here
...the neogeo flash cart should be less no more 130$ dollars..but..450$ ?
"ROM cart" -- Please stop calling it that.
Sorry. You run a knowledge repository and this is spreading. These are flash carts that load ROM *files* from SD card (flash) media. In some cases, they even use RAM to simulate the ROM of an original - so "ROM" applies more to the original cart than a cart with no ROM at all.
Standard game carts contain ROM chips.
Dumped data from ROM chips are called "ROM files."
An original cartridge is a "ROM cart." Applying that name to a cartridge that loads ROM files is full circle and confusing (or inaccurate in the case of flash carts that use RAM).
It's a cart that loads roms.
RetroRGB it's a cart that loads ROM *files* - a standard cart loads ROM data from its own ROM chips. You run a knowledge repository (thanks so much for that!). Misinformation and inaccurate definitions will grow legs and spread. Nobody wants that.
@@jevansturner yeah make it more confusing by using multiple names depending on the capability and hardware design! The NeoSD is a FlashCart! The Darksoft cart is a RAMCart! The NeoSD Pro is a FlashROMRAMCart. It just rolls right off the tongue. People new to the devices will have no problem following that at all.
Not a big deal. I mean, yeah, genuinly every single cart is a ROM cart, but the term is generally used for multiple-ROM-files loaders.
Captain Falcon those are all still flash carts because they load from SD (flash media) -- even the ones that load into RAM.
10:40 what is this music?! I know it but I can't remember
SVC Chaos
@@Billy.Bouline TY!