Evidence vs Intuition| Shabir Yusuf |Hyde Park Speakers Corner
Vložit
- čas přidán 28. 08. 2017
- This ex- Muslim left Islam due to his Intuition and according to his limited understanding of evidence. Although Shabir repeatedly asked him what yardstick did he use, the answer was not forthcoming. Instead this Atheist decided to put on a show of bravado and kept repeating, a well-rehearsed line to make himself feel better.
Shabir is brilliant. Use of charm, wit,logic and rationality, Deep listening skills, super questioning skills, Shabir is a master.
100% I just watched it and it was a masterpiece
instaBlaster...
This guy who claimed that he still believe in God have a baggage that he is not revealing much but as the conversation goes he became emotional and his body language tells us that he is not sincere in seeking the truth but maybe trying to score on Brother Shabir which is the fatal mistake of his life.
Until God is proven beyond all reasonable doubt Shabir should hold Judgment as he mentioned in his debate with Sa Ra.He should not preach to anyone that Islam is right and all other religions are wrong.He should instead preach to people to be good for our wellbeing.Eg treat your fellow human beings with love.
@@samjall9216 It is called a presumption!!
Ansar sweating like shabir chased him 200 miles an hour. Talk about intuition :')
Lol
I was forced to go to work with my dad when I was younger so I can learn good work ethics and discipline, And now I work very hard and I'm a responsible adult. Using this guy's logic I should not work anymore because my dad forced me to work when I was younger. Secondly what excuse has he got now for not believing since he's old enough to do and think however he likes? Bogus excuses and laziness the devil convinced this guy to not believe anymore.
Mike jones I laughed at your comment made my night ahahahahahahahahah
Mike jones 😂😂😂
Mike jones 😂😂😂
If the world we live in wasn't dependent on making money to survive, you may well have a point. Everybody HAS to work. Beliefs don't cost anything and they are not mandatory. So you are by definition making a false equivalency. Something that religious people do often.
@@christophermallett8166 was just typing my reply to the OP's nonsense and saw yours - very well put. The guy states within the first few minutes that he realised his ONLY reason for being muslim was through upbringing. There are rather better reasons for having a good work ethic beyond the persuasion placed by parents.
Brother Shabir, please teach your skills and train as many young fresh Muslim minds as you can! At the end of the day, some day you'll leave this world and we want your legacy to continue at Hyde Park! Peace, love and special Salaam of this blessed 10 days of Dhul Hijjah to you, your team and your family
Ameen
Oh Allah subhanahu wata'ala soften the heart of our brother Ansar and guide him to the siratul mustaqeeem.
Allahumma ameen
*That immature Anser guy is trying his best not to look so "biased" but he's totally being one and emotional too. You can tell by him not even looking at Shabir and him looking so irritated and mad cuz he's intellectually stuck and destroyed.*
And brother Shabir haven't even begin to start relaying out his point. He's trying to prep this immature boy into being unbiased but this boy is already set in stone. But then he got emotional because he actually feared that he could be wrong. May Allah guide him to the right path.
@@incineratorium That's why Iman isn't something you learn if he was intellectual honest he would be listening and asking more than talking.. By making imply references says he put a wall of disbelief. Saying I don't know is a cop out because if he says I don't know he can't be attacked and in mis mind gives him the moral advantage but it's a very weak defense and shows that he goes with the convincing or more pleasing populus than the evidence itself..
@Taimoor Khan what are you talking about? You clearly misunderstood me
@@jmurdock8303 are you saying that instead of saying "I don't know", he should lie and say that he does know? Isn't it possible that he genuinely doesn't know the answer? Perhaps instead of assuming that someone is being disingenuous, because his admitted ignorance on a particular topic is inconvenient, you could take him on face value, until you have evidence that he's not telling the truth. Wouldn't a dishonest answer be more likely to look like "I know the answer to that with certainty, and science gives us the answer"?
@@jmurdock8303 also, do you really believe that he presented ignorance as a defence for anything?
the atheist guy always acts shifty and impatient which is a sign of not being honest, shabir is brilliant may Allah bless him
Mashallah brother Shabir...You always put a smile to my face when I watch you...
This chap who left Islam based on Emotions which he thinks is Scientific... He is everywhere and no where.
He knows and knows nothing but Emotions.
Agreed and he turns to the camera instead of being polite to face Bro Shabir and I suspect he got inferiority complex with a face that tells he is upset about being told silly magical ideas
Shabir mashallah exposed this dude big time, just emotion, no evidence whatsoever
Ya Allah grant Brother Shabir Jannah out of YOUR mercy and increase him in knowledge. Grant the ummah intellectuals of his calibre and beyond. Forgive us ya ALLAH.
Ameen ya Rabbi al alamin.
The knowledgeable speaker is clearly trying to explain to the arrogant friend that a person should assess the evidence or subject before making an educated decision whether they feel it's right correct or incorrect rather than just guess like this person is doing
Could you provide evidence to support your claim?
@Adam Southworth and yet you haven't cited any contradiction . Even ppl who actually did study the quran haven't foud contradictions but unless you aren't being objective then you can see anything as contradiction soooo ....
@@elda471 he ran away big time lol
el da Noah flood didn’t happen, Moses wasn’t in ancient Egypt, Muhammad didn’t split the moon.
Oh and jesus wasn’t a real guy either. Koran Bible and Torah are really bad fan fiction
i think he forgot that a part of being ( intellectually honest ) is to consider that you might be wrong...
Forced by his logic, his parents forced him to go to school, forced him to eat. No disrespect to the brother, brother has issues. An hour of talk and he has no idea of what kind of evidence he wants.
I like when he said I got bored for the first 5 minutes I still continued
Just came across Brother Shabir. What a brilliant man.
May Allah give this brother refuge from satan .. May Allah guide him to the straight path
From his face you can tell he has suffered in his life
He never had a spiritual foundation to begin with which means his emotions had no control under his spiritual foundation. This is why he left.
Meaning If he had a firm spiritual foundation and he suffered an emotional problem he would stay firm due to the strength of his iman. But he had no iman really.
🤣🤣🤣 this guy need to go back to school and ask for refund 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
ali the brave shut up, he’s objective atleast, unlike u
Well done Shabeer 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼u knocked him down 😂😂😂😂the guy started as if he knows it all ... and ended up not knowing anything at all 🤦🏻♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣
And then started sweating 😥
That's the angry ex-muslim that failed to challenge Mohammed Hijab!
Give me the link
@@henriquesombiga4338 you find it if you search for "Muhammad hijab vs ex muslim"
i would call it successful challenged not failed
@@juice8554 no he just publicly embarrassed himself with his missing manners and lack of knowledge
@@juice8554 by calling circular reasoning a good reason?
Why he is so emotional and when he try to reexplain he lost his eye contact.
It seems that at that point of time he is unsecured with his own intellectual and intuition perspective.
I think he was frustrated that Shabir could not pick up a simple point that magic and Quran is just faith and reality is science.
Sick News but reality is not always scientific .Consciousness,emotion ,etc are polar opposites in this scenario for instance. Science cant explain that as evidenced by your words "I think".
Science believes in magic as well i.e. Lesser Dimensions
He couldn't explain his position when he started debate. Human being have power of intuition and as well as intelligence too . Using of both is necessary. If someone ask him did your mother give birth to you he will answer I don't know. He didn't see . Lol
@@entertainmentchannel2135 this great example shows that circumstanstial evidence can be used. Else most people couldn't claim who their mother was.
Not everything can be proven empirically, but by observation of the effects, within our current understanding, we can arrive to an assumption God exists (nothing cannot produce something). If you then add scripture holding indices to unknown truths at the time, while discrediting other false beliefs of that time.. and you combine this with an amazing character that had everything to lose but still upheld this belief and came out victorious at the end.. then you can speak of circumstantial evidence.
Further, when you match the injuctions of the islamic faith with what is generally proclaimed by humans to be 'good', 'decent', 'praiseworthy', ect.. anyone should agree that following islam as it was intended is good for society and personal well-being.
Mashallah Shabbir bhai
koodhi allah
I love it when our brother Shabir explain with reason ,logic and proof to many peoples.may Allah s.w.t always have a good life and long life .amin...👍
May Allah always give you a good life and long life.amin
I feel sad for the Atheist guy. May Allah give him guidance.
31:01 Shabir starts smiling as soon as the guy says: "We don't know how to test for intuition." Lmao, exactly!
Shaber is the only one who is calm more than all guys
Ansar had what we call the complex of inferiority and complex of egocentrism by saying all time that people forced him .
God bless you Brother Shabir.. Praying for you this Ramadan...From Kashmir
SHABIR YUSUF IS A LEGEND
SubhanAllah. Brother Shabir dealt with Ansar. Really good approach. May Allah increase him in reward. Ameen
Brother Shabbir you brilliantly expose how these people are driven emotionally, stubbornly, ignorantly, offensively and how triggered they are when it comes to the accessing the truth!
Very well said brother. Sadly those who refused to know the truth will be the loser not Brother Shabir.
May Allah guide this brother. Best way is to open his heart when trying to establish the truth and assess what is being presented as evidence. He may read Quran / or any other evidence and understand it and clarify it from the CORRECT source/people
If intuition is not a good reason to believe something, what does that say about fitrah?
What he says "instinct"
can be "iblis"
"i cant simplify it more than this" savage lmaooooo
Feel pity for ansar so sad to see him so confused may Allah guide him.. Dr shabir as always nice conversation mashAllah
Ur entitled to ur opinion and u sayin ansar is spot on and logical cannot say anything than
@Patje PBWY. You are entitled to your opinions. We are aware that you cannot defeat Br Shabir intellectually (by the race of the Creator) so we can understand your frustrations. What is really hilarious is that you like others use the word 'shuffling' which is basically an admission that Br Shabir has not been intellectually defeated. Finally! perhaps if you want to be a student of Br Shabir we can put it forward to him.
Patje
Seriously, you got be kidding me, you need get a life, always commenting on the brothers videos from speakers corner, why so much hate
Patje that's the problem you have pointed nothing out, only your subjective opinions, you have no argument
If your are truthful produce your evidence
If you listened carefully, brother shabir
Didn't even go into religion, ansar was rude and always diverting
Patje
And you are doing the same, promoting atheists, without any evidence
And I'm sorry to say science doesn't back you up
Why was he turning to the crowd for support. Guys going red in face, his veins gonna bust, guys a wreck.
He just lost in the western world ....
thats the plain and simple truth ,i feel sorry for him in a way .
@Taimoor Khan yeah but if there is something isn't it peak for you 🤣, worst case scenario believes do good and end up as nothing. You can do bad and end up in a hell 👀👀 not saying that's the case obvs but yeaa
@Taimoor Khan aww it's cute you can copy and paste the same psychological argument made by Freud and Hume, but there's a reason why people don't just take a pseudo-science view to heart. A. Just like religious views on life after death, it's not falsifiable. B. if your view is just as much chance as religion, then out of the two your view is the dumbest option to take. Also the nothingness comparison between embryo development and death shouldn't even theoretically be the same as one is formation and one is termination, you have things to lose when you die whilst the same can't be said when you born. Since you like science so much, read the Qur'an x- it's had scientific descriptions of embryo development and geographical occurrences 600 years before your modern science found them
Brother Shabir, you have been blessed with so much patience despite the level of ignorance, arrogance and immaturity that you encountered here. I made my kids watch this just so they could learn that one can be patient no matter however much it difficult it looks. May you be blessed for all your effort toward Dawah!
"There was no evidence, that's what I'm relying on" - Shabir. Hahahahaha
If you want to genuinely know what people think of the two of these individuals. Watch the woman to the left at 24:00.
While the man on the left is speaking, she is visibly disturbed by the man's lack of reasoning and his flippant approach. Watch her unknowingly scowling at this man while he talks.
A few seconds later 24:08, the brother on the right begins his response. She believes this man is speaking with sincerity and compassion. She instantly starts to smile glowingly, and yet still unknowingly. She has no motive here. Definitely doesnt know either man.
That's the truth right there. This man is out in public to tell the world he left Islam because it was forced on him. Yet he doesnt have any logical reasoning for what he believes in. Why are you even on the camera debating beliefs when you have none relevant to discuss? Who sent you?
My mum forced me to eat well, brush my teeth and get proper sleep...So what? Good parents want the best for their children and should only want to force good acts on their kids. Beneficial to the child's life. Doesnt automatically make it wrong.
Woah subhanallah thats amazing!
Very well observed brother. You're spot on.
Really sad to see this poor atheist kid. He is so emotional & ill mannered
Oo oO definitely not all.....
The conversation directed by shabbir was in a well balanced manner with mutual respect. It's truly a skill and practice of patience is commendable. For someone who is obviously in denial it's hard not to just slam the person with his foolish arguments but then he will also claim it to be silly. Very logical and calm manne of speaking r by Shabbir .
I usually have speakers corner playing in the background, but when I heard the youngster failing to grasp Shabirs point often you see ignorance manifest emotionally, but then Shabir masterfully ended it. I am shocked. Subhan'Allah.
Please tell me what was Shabir point? And I bet Anser told him more than once what his point was but MR Shabir shuffled to the next one. What are you talking about you people are so bias!!!
As far as I understood, shabirs point was, for him to say "I don't know", if general or for a certain thing, he'd have to went through the evidence. And ansar said no, he didn't.
And they actually said that in the end, and respectfully finished their discussion.
Always learn from shabir so patience, focus and logical. ALLAH reward you and your team jannah. Ameen
Ameen
Totally FLUSHED....!
It seems he was absent when his teacher was explaining the "EVIDENCE COURSE" in the university.
Shabir, your psychology is amazing.... Wallahi, I have so much respect for you brother. May Allah Bless you and your Family. I hope this guy you talked with watches this video again and sees how much of an arrogant person he was. May Allah Guide him and us all. Ameen
Amazing video, learned a lot from you. You're very knowledgeable person and your arguments were rational and logical. But unfortunately it were too much for the atheist brother to comprehend and it went straight above his head. May Allah guide him back to the straight path, Amen! Keep up the good work brother Shabir👍 May Allah bless you, Amen
Shabir I love you in the sake of Allah SWA
Trius
Can't he love him for both?
Mutty Mutt no i love him for the sake of allah only
Kafer is stupid
I didn’t know I could level up like in a videgame. Yet thats how it feels listening to Shabir. You can tell that it does not matter that he could not onboard is opponent on the simplest of thoughts, as it would have dismissed the true beliefs of his opponent from the get go. But for us, the viewers at home, this is gold level reasoning and you also that this is EXACTLY why the discussion between you and your coworkers during a friday afternoon on the topic of religion, strands.
Ansar, came to here for fame.
He should meet brother Subbor.
Overall a good debate. I initially thought ppl were being a bit harsh on Ansar in comments as he started off very polite. They are standing and talking for a long time, we can overlook their frustration behaviour..it is after all a difficult topic emotionally. Towards the end, he became quite rude however, turning his back and talking to audience rather than to shabir, and doing his disrespectful yawning gestures that were better left for Harry Enfield's Kevin character.
They used words differently, such as evidence, with Ansar talking about positive evidence, while shabir was using it in the sense of evidence to analyse (whether it is positive or negative).
Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged. So Ansar being exposed !!!
Macha2 Allah, shabir is a lesson in patience and wisdom, i can see the other guy was sweating and getting uncomfortable while being asked if he uses the same scientific method for everything. May Allah bless u brother shabir for your patience.
Brother shabir does an amazing job every time 🥰
may ALLAH bless Brother shabir
Yes science can explain rain but does that mean science created rain ? this atheist guy doesn't even understand what he is saying. the question here is where did all this law come from ? but he is too arrogant to even think about these stuff.
REPLY
Absolutely spot on,you said what I was thinking
"Yes science can explain rain but does that mean science created rain ?" Thanks for showing the ignorance of muslims. Its crazy this religion still has so many followers.
Asalamu alaykum my brothers and sisters in Islam
wasalaam.
Abdi Ibrahim Walaikum As Salam
Walaikum salaam
As for the "are you 100% certain" question: Our impressions of anything can rarely be 100% certain, especially if we become hypersceptical, where we even question whether the hand with which we type on youtube actually exists or not. its a bad question since it requires so much unpacking.
Not doubting is not disengenuous. A scientist doesnt doubt earth is round, even if they accept that science changes. If you get philosophical, they would say they accept they cannot know 100% earth is round from a philosophical way, but that doesn't mean they have any real world doubt,
It took Br. Shabir a lot of patience to put this gentleman in a corner at 32:32 When he did. I smiled spontaneously.
I don’t get how this channel haven’t gotten at least 100k followers! May Allah protect you brother Shabir
Anser getting emotional when he doesn't have way out
Many people are leaving Islam due to being misled by atheism, evolution, individualism, etc. There is a lack of knowledge being passed down from parent to child, hence many can't hold onto their faith. The material world and the YOLO mentality encourages a life free of God and rules. Religion is under attack, which is why these talks and discussions are so important.
the conversation went in the wrong way when that guy in the back open his mouth
He claim as aborn muslim.20 seconds later he was force to be a muslim.come on.!
Feelings... emotions .... Exposed so beautifully by br. Shabir. Lol he called br. Shabir a hypocrite when he proved himself to be the one in this conversation. Hope he will watch this and the to figure out his lack of approach which landed him embarassed here clutching to emotions. Sometimes it's worth listening to others who make sense and tell you your faults which you may not see yourself. This guy still has time to reconsider his past mistakes and make them right. That is a blessing if only he would try to realize that.
Too excited
I always advice such confused friends to not make decisions based on ignorance especially big decisions.
He think he's clever discussing with a close mind. It'll go nowhere.
At 16:00, there is this magical moment:
-"I could make the assumption that the magical tree is the universe Creator"
-"take me to this magical tree then"
-"ok then, take me to your creator"... ah ah ah well done Ansar, so logical and so simple. That made my day.
Big up the ex Muslim brother. He was being intellectually honest.
Shabir Yusuf - You put that guy in UTTER PANIC by challenging his Intuition! Lol! 😄👍
Jazzakallahu khair shabir.
42:29 Scientifically you're incorrect! 😆 Brother Shabir smashed him with that one
i have seen ansar debate before and all i can say is even if he saw the moon split he will deny it!
The sun was shining but this guy looked like he was sweating buckets...magical perspiration ting
Okay so he realized he was following blindly, but instead of looking at the beliefs of Islam and understanding it for himself, he decided since so many people have beliefs that means Islam isn't correct? If he's going to make statements that all these religions are not likely to be correct then he needs to have a reason why, not the same subjectiveness he judges these people of religion for having.
*Instead of Yeah at the end by Shabir, I would suggest NEXT!* 😆
Revisiting in 2020. Shabir is a Don
Loved the way shabir ripped him a new one 😂
There was an utterly amazing documentary put together on CZcams about intelligent design which has been deleted. It started off with some sort of opera song and a man saying "we are programmed like a computer" and another man saying "and they are absolutely propagandizing this world...". If anyone knows where to find this that would be so helpful.
@Oz *czcams.com/video/uZ4DzspnHz4/video.html*
Found it akhi😎
I haven't seen the whole discussion yet, I have however seen some of his (the agnostic brother) other discussions, he seems rational and he's definitely better than an Atheist who positively denies a creator, I pray Allah guides him to Islam, he's very likeable.
Ameen
Assalamu Alaikum all my muslim Brothers and Sisters and in Humanity. ATR. one video isn't enough from brother Shabir's Monthly visit to the SC, need more fruitful discussions from this brother. Happy Eid and May Allah bless us all with Guidance and forgiveness. amin.
Ameen
it was actually shabir projecting his opinion on ansar. ansar was right that shabir kept on claiming evidence where shabir gave none
PBWY. Thank you for your opinions.
Well done a shabier ,,, the man is in denial, dazed and confused
I heard the brother put his ego aside and has now embraced Islam
every question asked by uncle shabir was calculated.
Brother Shabbir low key sounds like Saruman from the Lord of the Rings... Lol
Confusion in his mind the lost man with the 3 eyes on his chest.
After watching a couple of discussions with this Ansar brother, something has become quite clear. I could be wrong, but I would bet that he had some pretty bad experiences with his family and national/ethnic culture growing up. To him, these negative ''experiences'' were the fault of Islam, and religion in general, which could explain why it seems like he's always very emotional regarding this topic.
Allah guides whom He wills.
That woman behind Yusuf is clearly impressed
This Shabbir guy is so good.
Blue T-shirt in beginning: I base on intuition, not evidence.
In the end: yes I base on evidence !!!
May Allah bring him back to Islam .
Are there more videos from this week ??
yes, maybe not as entertaining as this one.
AllTruthRevealed haha no problem but flow of knowledge from Shabbir bhai is must...
This guy Ansar is rude
This Ansar guy is turning his back in a stupid manner.
Brother shabbir well done.
8:00 - 12:30 - 52:54 -
Disrespectful arrogant man drowned in his subjective judgement, not even want to assess the evidence thoroughtly yet claiming his tools for determining something is true is through scientific evidence and method.
Brother shabir surely does have a lots of patience.
In the video, Brother Shabir Yusuf refers to a "Creator" but even that pre-conceived notion should be questioned. I mean God and Cretaor are two different things, and considering God created the universe is pre-conceived notion. I mean, human being has a limited understanding of the whole universe, so if we assume there is a God (which is already an assumption, not a certain fact), to talk about a Creator assumes as well that God created the universe (2nd assumption or pre-conceived notion) , which we dont know. I mean there is a possibility that God exists and just did not create the universe, and in that case, the Creator would not be God, but an other entity nobody has ever observed or thought about yet. So clearly the above discussion started on wrong bases with this pre-conceived notion that God is the Creator...