How to Run the 800 Meter
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- USA World Cross Country Team Leader, Scott Christensen, describes the science and application behind training athletes for the 800m.
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I sprinted the first lap (forgetting it was 800m not 400m) they rang the bell for the final lap and I just died as I crawled the second lap.
That's tough...
+Xxx_TheWhiteCobraKiller69_xxX 2nd out of 12. The guy beat me on the final stretch. :(
Gooey Nick same here!
I tried to do a fast start and didn't slow down after so I was dying at 600m but still sprinted the last 100m
RIP
Breaking it down to the mitochondria. Damn son.
For me, I treat it as a 600m. I split the 300m because the last 200m is basically a sprint so their is no strategy
I run the whole thing as a build up
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Same!
I’m trying to maintain my spot the last 100 the lactic acid at that point is crazyy
@@joshua1750 Yeah if you’ve timed it properly then the lactic in the last 100m is insane, I’ve only had a few races where I felt I’d timed it perfectly and it’s been those times that I’ve completed the first 600m on time then built up my speed to an all out sprint giving it everything I’ve got down the home straight
Here's my strategy:
First 100 meters: Get a big boost of speed (Not sprinting, but close to it)
Next 500 meters: Go a pace that is right for you
Last 200 meters: Start to accelerate
Last 100 meters: Sprint or do what you have left
You should start speeding up at 600m or that’s what I always do.
thats 900 bro
I think he’s saying the last 100 included in the last 200
@@therandumblab1296 maybe, still weird tho
Thank you
Cool
i watch you all the time. u r so cool thank you for everything you helped me come first in regional 800m
Rashaaaaaad😆 also sry bout ur channel
Wait what happened to his Chanel?
Hey Rashaad Thank you for all the different Running Videos it helped me alot
Hensley Jb what happened?
Thanks for explaining energy systems, VO2 and where endurance/non endurance runners are at. 93% 1st lap, 89% 3nd lap. 24 out of 26 wr holders ... run the first lap faster. This is really good teaching; systematic. Sorry to those who nearly fell asleep. "Let him who has ears to hear, hear ..." Thanks you. You gave me confidence to launch out as a coach.
only the latest runners run that way because of doping. Used to be common place to run even Coe. Juantorena. Wottle. sometimes even negative split like Ryun. If you dope OK but without it the effort needs to be split evenly.
bobfelcher when Coe set the WR and ran under 1:42 his splits were 49.6, 51.8
If your efforts are even then your 2nd lap will be slower because your fatigued. If you are going to have same or similar times then you need more effort on 2nd lap. This isn't great coaching... it's just common sense
He actually starts talking about the race at 11:41
Thank me later.
totally. he's pretty boring. get to the pt
thank you.
Good advice. It is so important to have a plan. He's so right in the sense that right after that first 400 it is so easy to let up, get discouraged, or whatever. That's when it helps to concentrate and maintain your pace ... or try to.
That's a great place to be. The 2:00 mark can be a little bit of a wall for a lot of people, but breaking that for the first time is an incredible feeling. Try to get in some 400's too this season. I was a 400 guy and didn't really get into the 8 until my senior year, but I found that the 400 form carries over really well.
11:37
Dan L. lol
Thanks mate
my strategy: first 20 meters sprint so that your under the top 10
than you stay at your position and dont let somebody overtake you
the last 200 meters: you get faster until 100-75 meters than you sprint as fast as you can into finish (every time my motivation is that there are only 100 meters left then im done so i just sprint cause then i often down feel my legs anymore)
I run well up until the last hundred meters, then just force my legs to move as fast as possible (which is actually a great running speed) and I do well 😋
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Very helpful! I improved my time seven seconds after watching this video!
Sorry Scott you are wrong. First lap too fast puts you too deep into the red. Should be closer to about 87 percent of max 400. In addition the second lap should be slightly faster than the first. I learned this from trial and error and also my college coach who was an Olympic 800 meter finalist. In addition you need to break the race up into 200 meter increments instead of splitting it in half. 1st 200 is to get up to race speed asap without going into the red. Usually about 30 meters. then your first 200 will be slightly faster than an even split for the race. Then you conserve as much energy (float) for the following 200 while maintaining your momentum. Just before the 400 you pick your speed up at this point you start to move through the field toward the front. at about 500 meters you should be in a good position and lengthening your stride while slightly slowing turnover. When you get to 600 meters it is all acceleration to the tape. You concentrate on rapid turnover as your legs will tighten naturally and shorten your stride. At this point you will reap the benefit of all your core exercises to maintain your form and get the max out of each stride by being efficient. The thing to watch out for is your abs. as you tire you concentrate on leg lift and no back kick. Runners with weak abs become tremendously inefficient and have almost no knee lift and huge back kicks because they get a sway back from weak abs.
u r welcome from a sub 148 man.
USTFCCCA Lead Endurance Instructor he is, but go on...
that does not make him right.
every coach today seems to think that running the first lap faster than the second is better. But yet i don't see any US runners being demonstrably faster than the runners who used to run even or negative splits. So maybe todays "experts" have got it all wrong. But go on...
bobfelcher No, you need to be closer to about 84.5% of max 400, and then ramp up at a geometric rate proprotional to the difference of your height in centimeters minus four times your neck size. From there, usually about 480 meters, momentum will pull your abverse lateral speed through the field as you make the turn between 496 and 512 meters. That kind of positioning puts your left knee in tune with the global corriolis.
then explain why, when David Rudisha set the world record, his splits were 49.2, 51.7. I've always heard your first lap should be 2-3 seconds faster than your second. If you are negative splitting your 800s you can probably run faster than your PR
Thank you I will definitely try this today at practice
do whatever you... do when you finish your race, great tips
thanks a lot! this strategy works so well
I respect everything you said in this video. You have a great mind for running and your analysis is impressive. I used your 400m PR equation to calculate my ideal splits for running the 800. It came out to a total time of 2:07.5 and my actual PR is 2:07.9. Almost an exact match. Wow!
Dude it's annoying because my 400m pr is 57.81 my freshman year but I'm a sophomore rn and my open 800 pr is 2:19 and my relay is 2:16. Idk what to do. Based off the 400m I should be running 2:07.06. I know for a fact my 400m is even faster then that too now.
@@ovah8784 just go on tempo runs and work on speed endurance and your lactic acid
@@nicholasintrepidity5073 How do I improve speed endurance besides tempo runs
@@ovah8784 maybe try run 300s 200s 600s 800s and work on running 1000 meters
@@nicholasintrepidity5073 okay thank you
Very informative video !..thank you !
Step 1: Be David Rudisha
Awesome! Thank you!
thx for this! very informative!
This is exactly what I was looking for I have a district meet coming up hopefully my psychological and physical part are ready 😂
If you wanna run a fast time, go with the top group and then have a kick. That's my plan! PR: 1:52
Nice, what’s your time now are you still alive bro?
@@gageplughoff2862 yes wanna know too
@@gageplughoff2862😂 man said are you still alive, i would hope he is
Oh, normally I just book it the whole time.
To make a move at the break point of the second lap really helps
Thanks! now i have a game plan!
Ran my first 800 today to try it out, I kinda know how to pace myself since I'm a 400 guy, but I've done very little training, but today I hit 2:24 and 4th in my 18 man heat
Did you positive or negative split it?
I used the same strategy in a race before I watched this video and got second with a huge PR this man is not lying
Pretty sure he drew his diagram using his home track as a guide. The Stillwater track is not exactly normally proportioned, if I remember correctly. I think it has longer straightaways and shorter turns.
I race against these dudes who are under this guys instruction and wow! They are dominant year in and year out.
I’ve always thought the natural speed is predetermined factor, in being able to run a fast 800m. the speed component has to already there..for example if you can’t do under 22seconds for a 200m then don’t bother racing 800m. However, the endurance side of the race is the difference between a winning Olympic athlete and a fast 800m athlete who doesn’t win. You can develop the endurance to continue to stay at high speed for longer. But It’s near impossible to get a slow sprinter to go faster..the key question is what is the Optimum way to develop that endurance? How do you get a basically fast athlete to continue to run fast for the entire 800m. This is what Rudisha does the same high speed the whole way.
thanks for the great video
This video helped me so much 2 years ago in 8th now I need it again that's why I'm here again
Summary please
Gracias doctor chapatin, no entendi nada, pero esta muy bueno lo del tablero!
Shortest race that still has a lot of strategy, but man you gotta strategize fast or your opportunity is gone
Good talk
that presentation literally made me sleep
Literally me too
+Rhino Lin "Youth is wasted on the young."
I am with YOU..........
I'm a junior 400m runner in high school running a 51.6 that will be running 4x8 this year and im incredible terrified. any extra tips?
have faith in your team and don't burn it all up on the first lap. I'm a senior this year and i will break 1:50 in the 800 at state this year.
Kurios Kaleb almost no one in the world runs the second lap of an 800 in 51.
turniptod12 good thing you say almost lol, the wr holder made 51 the last lap
+Trenton Moore BULLLSHIT
if you did that for a 800m
Doin it for sports day
thats great actually. keep it up.
Please tell me I’m not the only one who isn’t super fast and doesn’t know all this terminology 🥺
@Matthew Day thats 1:57.1 so dont worry too much youll be fine
What should the splits and time be for a 13 year old boy with pb 1:01 in the 400? Because the 93 89 thing puts me at a time wayy to fast
Thank you for advise i ran 4:07 with this advise
big 8 minute pr
Coach, what are your thoughts on a "California" start? We don't start in lanes here in NJ...
Haha!!! Made my day :)
You should come to Flint though man, some of our tracks don't even have eight lanes...
Thank you!
Training for 800m Now in for a race, However, how do you prevent cramps mid-race?
Potassium, mainly bananas if you don't like coconut water. Make sure you also stretch well.
These aren't guaranteed to fix cramps, but they will help though.
I had shin splints for 3 weeks and i took 2 weeks completely off. I have a race tomorrow so lets see how I do without two weeks of no practice. Please show mercy my fellow teammates and rival college!
SnowLine714 did you win?
I seriously almost fell asleep but it kinda help me
I am running 800m for my sports day trials need help im ok with my stamina is it about sprinting as well
In 2 days I'm doing a triathlon ( 70m swim, 800m cycle, 800m sprint ) any advice for preparation??
Up to 1.6 minutes is anaerobic, the last bit is aerobic. It's primarily a anaerobic race
Austin McGlone you have them switched.
Flaw No that's correct, I study it in college.
Austin McGlone anaerobic is the system that takes over when the aerobic system is overwhelmed. Aerobic uses oxygen to produce energy, anaerobic does not. Once you go anaerobic you can't really come back too easily
runbees12 Aerobic uses oxygen as you said, when you spring 100m do you uses a lot of oxygen... No, why can't most people run more than 5 miles because of oxygen capacity. Anaerobic starts and aerobic finishes.
+Austin McGlone Wrong. All sprinting is done anaerobically. Anaerobic and anaerobic isn't simply defined as with or without oxygen, it's more defined as the intensity.
Help me please tommorow is my 1500 meters cross country tournament
Let's go Minnesota!
Wow you need to get my friend Mark Everett, the 6 time National champ in the 800m...but then I don't know anyone who ran it like Mark, so it may not translate to the traditional runners...still a great resource to have...
Still the fastest 400/800 American ever, 30 years on...
He was a total stud. Always exciting to see him run and he’s a terrific guy too.
@@philfreeman8167 Those who can handle that level of pain are usually pretty good peeps.
oh gosh my coach is making me run this in varsity and my 400m is 53.9 but seeing 1:47.1 on that board freaks me out i was thinking more like 2:05 or somethin
2:14.12 Its (61 over .93) + (61 over .89) So 65.59 + 68.53 equals 134.12 seconds.
Even pace is best
Im going to run a 800 and a 1,600... I already did the 800 before... and I got in 5th place beacause everyone ran at the star and I was not ready...
Hey guys can u give me any tips for me to run the 800M because I'm running it tomorrow for my sports day😇
So if two laps u burn 90 calories i can assume i burn 180 calories if i run a mile??? All calorie counter say you burn alot more
Thats almost exactly what I ran today!
Would you recommend this for a beginner?
nope.
Yes. It is important to learn how to run the 800 as early as possible.
I seriously fell asleep during this.
MrEpicguy23 of course you did I get everyone fell asleep during this😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I did the math at 93% and 89% and came up with ridiculous times. Sebastian Coe would run 1:43.1 and Yeimer Lopez of Cuba would run 1:39.2, and David Rudisha should run 1:40.0!
bruh, just sprint the first lap like a 400, hit a nice 55 than walk the second lap.
its worked for me lmao (jk)
The cut mark for the 800's I've been in is at 300 meters into the race not 100 meters...
Same :/
+Gooey Nick it's 100m for others sometimes. Like where I run its at the first 100m
Try teaching your runners to run the 3rd quarter of nearly any track race all out and then survive the final quarter. Will lead to much better performances and times.
Benjamin Rodefer So, from 400 to 600 in the 800 race.
+Benjamin Rodefer I sort of agree with you. Most people run their 800 races like this: 30-35-37-34. Note that the 1st and last 200 are the fastest. The reason for this is you went out too hard. Dave Wottle ran splits like this: 26-26-26-26. You can look that one up. (I don't have the exact lap times, but I'll let people that are really interested in learning look it up!). If you watch the final of when he ran that, in the 1972 Olympics, you will note he trailed the field by more than 25 yards by about the 200 mark!The reason why this happened is that the other runners were running way too fast. The world learned something from Dave Wottle about how to run this race. In future Olympics this became more and more a tactical race, rather than just a speed and power battle.The world also learned from Steve Prefontaine's foolish front running tactics in this Olympics. He might have learned how to run by 1976 and dominated the world. But he was stubborn enough to have never done that.Benjamin, I doubt that you would teach your runners to concentrate on just the third quarter. That is probably not what you meant. If a coach did that, it would be foolish because young people would still go out way too fast.
+Jed “Mr. Breeze” Clampett Jed, that Dave Wottle race is one of the most exciting, fun, and educational race to watch. Just a perfect example of even pace and not starting out too fast.
Hmmm yes.... Yes..... Indeed......... I indeed do not know 1/4 what he is saying
ClutchTree dumb
So an athlete who have 48 seconds in 400meters... 51.2 seconds first lap and 57.5 last lap??
Yes very.
Summary anyone?
Run.
@emil lol
Good video, although it kind of began 11.30 minutes in the video...
based on my 400 time i should be at a 2:02 but i run a 2:21 its my first year btw
What’s your 400 time?
I can barely do a 400 all out
Set playback speed to 1.25x
I ran first lap in 1.12 and second lap 1.33 😢
You can train hard , there is a lot of programms in internet
4:02
i am very good runner i can do 800m in 1min50s but i don't have Physical possibilities to train & show the world my ability
How do you not have any possibilities to train and show the world?
You can have scholarship and come to merica and live easy life like everyone else, ok?
Sir800m Ki video Hindi me bna do
i'm 13 running 2:15.36 for the 8 and 17:24 for 5k, should I stay middle distance or move up to long? Thanks
you are an incredible 5k runner, but do what you love. That 5k time is a lot better than your 800m time.
Come to long distance. We have cookies.
Marcel Aubry Holy shit, Kid! That's pretty impressive for a kid your age. You obviously have the talent, but it depends on your foot speed to determine if you should go up or not. If you are fast, you should stay at middle distance. If your are slow (twitch muscles), then you should move up and do the 5k and 10k. But either way, you have a bright future if you keep working hard.
+Jamell Jenkin
+Marcel Aubry is that bs i smell? when i was 13 i got 2:17 and i got to nationals and didnt see anyone getting that time this year in un 14s
how to run 1500m, pls help
Lim Jun Jie, Taj Take a bus
I am 41 and I run 800m in 2:11 , 5k in 19,56 and 60m in 8,23. So, am wondering if I am sprinter, short distance or endurance.. or undefined
Id say you're more of a sprinter, but definitely can do both. I'm more of an endurance runner, and can tell your more of a sprinter because my 5k is 18:55 and my 800m is only 2:23
You're old.
Fox McCloud and your point is?
Rinzler TheHunter Old people are at a disadvantage.
***** What kind of runner am I myself if I can run 400m at about 54sec, 800m about 2:08.69, 1600m 4:56.1, 3200m 10:53, and 5k of 17:04
Jordan's times are available online. He's a British athlete. However, he represents the Union Jack here poorly through poor punctuation, unnecessary expletives and this strong bravado. His times as a 17 year old aside, there are always different ways to attack an 800 meter race.
Good lord things are way different these days. I use to run a 1:52 as a teen (yes I trained my a$$ off) but tactical reading was key for me.
Explain please
Dalincy Esterling probably a strategist like hoppel they make moves based on other people and run off others
I typically pass someone at 550m and never get passed after 700m. I beat a lot of more talented guys with heads up racing.
Who else fell asleep watching this?
Well that's around 3 seconds off of the all time national 800m record so your seem to be in good shape, I expect you to be running in the olympics if you aren't bullshitting, which you probably are.
4:08 well I run the 800,3200 and 1 mile so.....
Im pretty sure a coach wouldn't make you do that.
The top tier runners in the world all use PEDs, this is why they are able to do some of those crazy splits, otherwise I would think that most people would prefer to run their 2nd lap faster than the 1st, but I'm no 800 expert...yet. The video was great by the way.
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Lol such a random moment
Dude.....
I'm calling BS considering you can only do 4 events in a meet anyway. Also, being in 7th grade, your going to hit burnout and your performances will get worse instead of better if you don't get injured first.
Has this guy even run a 800 before?
Probably
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Teachers trying to do sports 😂
Colm O'Connell seems to do a reasonable job teaching sports.
slow narration man....edit the unnecessary