I love the kitchen fight scene in raid 2 but for me personally, the fight with Iko Uwais, his brother, against Yaya Ruhian in the last fight of the first raid, hands down the best in my opinion. Because that fight skips the whole act 1 and goes straight for act 2 and 3 til the end.
I love that fight also! I'd actually say that it still has the first Act, except it's just really small. The part where Mad Dog just stands there are reels that chain up, and stands between them. I'd say that's the first Act. But it does ramp up quick though!
hey man, really great breakdown of storytelling in a fight scene! just wanted to say I know the action team behind Daredevil and the recent marvel movies, and they're some of the best performers in the business! what makes the fights so good from a storytelling point of view though, is the fact that they're letting the Stunt coordinator do his thing with second unit. a lot of other films fall short because the director has a big ego and doesn't want to collaborate. the best filmmakers use everyone's strengths to the teams advantage :) again, great video! if you're interested, I'm about to launch a series of videos about how to physically film fight scenes!
whoa, that's so cool! I didn't know about that aspect of shooting. so the stunt coordinators get a lot more freedom in shooting? that idea sounds super interesting. I'll check it out when you come out with them!
RightBrainRants thanks man, and I subscribed to your channel also!! Stunt Coordinators rarely get a lot more freedom in shooting, but when it does happen, you get gems like The Raid, and Daredevil! I'm pretty sure on Daredevil, Phil Silvera got to direct 1st unit also for the action scenes
In addition to structure, I would like to add that in a visual medium you must be careful to never let the look of the fight be disorienting (shakycam in movies, odd angles in comics, etc.) UNLESS you know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it. The Bourne movies did it well, but it caused an explosion of imitators who did it just because it looked cool or was the newest fad but without any actual thought put into it.
a big moment of the raid 2 fight that really highlights the shift to act 3 is when Rama's opponent begins running away and throwing random objects at Rama. At that point he has given up trying to beat rama in a fair fight. Rama is better, so for him to win he can't rely on martial arts anymore.
Thank you for explaining that, it's something that I've subconsciously noticed, but never really realised - also, how great is the ending of The Raid 2's last battle, where 13 Ghosts II just completely takes over? I've always loved when movies lets everything fade away for a moment of storytelling where the music (if selected right) explains more than what words and dialogue could ever do.
great video and great insight. i will say regarding revenge of the Sith, the chase across the lava was like the filmmakers adding knives. the the breakdown of the mining facility and the danger it posed to the fighters was meant to add tension and a new layer to the battle as at this point obi wan is struggling to get away to some advantage. while it's not perfect I'm always sucked in and i love it.
Nice analysis. Casting the fighters is key as well. Similar body builds and fighting ability can be cool for the "tug of war" you mentioned, because you can see the fight going to either person. Extreme differences can also be hot - think of the Bruce Lee vs Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
Okay despite the lava thing in revenge of the Sith i still feel that the final battle was done very well. You say a fight should tell a story and in that last fight showed how angry the two fighters were. Obi wan seemed to try and repress his anger and seemed more remorseful while Anikin used his wrath like a weapon why perfectly reflects the teachings that both adopted. Sith draw strength from hatred and anger while Jedi draw power from peace. Even so the way the fight played out they both seemed more concerned with killing the other than their own personal safety or preservation, the way they caused wanton destruction in their wake as they hammered at each other is testament to that. In terms of the "acts" of the fight i think the fight was supposed to be locked in act 2 where neither side gets the better of each other and they just keep throwing new variables at each other in an attempt to break the others guard. But like you said a fight should tell a story and in this case maybe it showed that neither fighter was better than the other. If Obi Wan easily wooped Anikin it would raise some questions in Star Wars 4 right? And Obi Wan in a way won because he got lucky. Personally i wouldn't change a thing about the final fight, it played out spectacularly.
Hey man you're super talented really enjoyed a lot of your videos! All of them were really well made and well thought through. Subscribed and looking forward to new videos :)
I'm just really wondering how well the Russos will pull off fight scenes in Infinity War. It will probably be a CGI fest but I wonder if they can still retain a sense of the three act structure you've laid out even as things become incredibly spectacular. They'd prove themselves as absolute masters of the craft if they can manage to keep the battle with Thanos compelling while also dialing everything to 11.
The thanos fight is simple in theory. Extremely difficult to pull off in practice. Firstly, this videos mainly covers one v one and more specifically one v one fist fights,. That will not be the Thanos vs Avengers/Guardians fight, thus the same rules wont apply. It will likely involve super powers, alien subordinates, guns, bombs, and reality warping. For an example of what it should look like just use the Avengers protecting New York city from the Chitauri. The difference here will be that Thanos should be able to take out the majority of Avengers without much difficulty. This means instead of being a balanced power struggle, it'll be a desperate last stand.
Are you crazy?The fight in Rots was perfect,it musn't get savage at the end,but emotional.Same with bucky and cap vs iron man,cap vs tws (first one) and many more.
The tug-of-war referred to here is what Peter Russell calls "good news, bad news" and is a device used in Suspense/Thrillers. It's all about putting the hero in danger so we get anxious, then removing the threat so we relax, then repeating this over and over.
another film that does this well is the hall way fight from old boy, I love your videos BTW, if your ever looking for help with anything I'd be more than willing
I loved that you used The Man From Nowhere as a reference because I think that final fight scene even beats out The Raid Berandal in the whole perfect knife fight arena...But that being said, I couldn't disagree more with using Kill Bill clips. The action in those movies is laughably bad. It's barely a step up from Power Rangers.
I wouldn't say the Raid fight scene is the perfect fight scene because it went on a bit too long. The fight goes on for too long and this was not accompanied by a nice variation in pace. After the beginning, the fighters didn't separate too many times to pause. In my opinion, the transition to a knife fight came too late, when the bad guy was already too battered. Plus, when a character gets hit too many times and the same fast pace is kept, then the hits start losing some of their impact. Another important part of a fight scene is how well the actors sell their punches and how pretty or clever the choreography is (The Raid is great in this department). There is a marked difference between fight scenes involving trained fighters and those involving actors with limited fighting experience. Specifically, trained fighters or stunt performers throw punches that have more force and speed and generally look like they would be devastating if they connect. This is because they have greater control over their bodies and can afford to throw a punch without actually hurting someone. In terms of how clever the choreography is, the final fight scene from Fist of Legend was long, but it kept things fresh through the sheer variety of the moves displayed. It told the story of Chen Zhen learning how to adapt to the fighting style of his opponent, so it wasn't just a desperate fight for his life.
You are aware that this fight isn’t very realistic right? Like, in real life I don’t fights ever last that long and two: that’s a really dumb way to wield karmabits (go watch a video about how to wield one) and yes, I know, the assassin get hit in the head a bunch before he pulls out his weapon so maybe that affected the way he used them but then why couldn’t he just use his dual karambits initially in the first place? Isn’t that what you would do in a real life situation? Does any of this make sense?
but, hey, didn't the lightsabre duel in 'the phantom menace' kick ass?!! no, no it didn't. it looked fake, it felt fake, it had no emotional weight, if there were any stakes i didn't care, and was just pandering drivel.
I was thinking you would use the fight scene in "The man from nowhere". The Raid2 kitchen scene is what happens when a fight scene is looked and felt Over choreographed it was not intense at all...i loved the fight dance they executed but it was far from a brutal fight
you could easily say that the raid 2 could have its very own anime adaptation, for instance other movies of similar fight choreography like headshot and the night comes for us (especially that) also could have the same thing. I mean the gore is necessary to these films as well among the characters and backstories giving it more of a reason (apart from being an asian film) to be its own anime. They are just too satisfying to watch. Perfect fit for anime haha
I agree with what you're saying, but I find The Raid films to be terrible and their action makes the film's even worse. I disagree entirely. The Batman V Superman fight actually worked for me, even thought the film itself wasn't great.In my opinion, other than there being no shaky cam, the Raid films' action scenes are perfect for how NOT to do action. Just my personal, subjective opinion on the matter.Wish you picked a more appropriate example that actually fit with what you were saying.
George Daugherty I have absolutely no idea how you can say the action in the raid movies are bad. The Raid movies are easily some of the best action movies ever made. In my opinion the BvS fight felt boring slow and clunky while the raid fights felt fast and full of adrenaline. It all comes down to personal opinion in the end though I guess.
basketballj1000 It's all subjective at the end of the day. Boring and slow? NOPE. Slow, but brutal and visceral. The Raid was just boring gore for the sake of gore. Had ZERO stakes in it and felt very fake. Sorry. That's just how I see it.
what make it stupid and ordinary? care to explain? u r make fun the raid but didnt mention better comparisson to it, sad. ppl wont know this "stupid ordinary" thing u talkin' about
The kitchen scene in the Raid 2 could really be its own film, it's that well constructed
I love the kitchen fight scene in raid 2 but for me personally, the fight with Iko Uwais, his brother, against Yaya Ruhian in the last fight of the first raid, hands down the best in my opinion. Because that fight skips the whole act 1 and goes straight for act 2 and 3 til the end.
I love that fight also! I'd actually say that it still has the first Act, except it's just really small. The part where Mad Dog just stands there are reels that chain up, and stands between them. I'd say that's the first Act. But it does ramp up quick though!
Aweosme video man -- I forgot how good that kitchen scene was from Raid 2
thanks man! I love love love The Raid series
Reviewed Later Never ever forget again! :)
hey man, really great breakdown of storytelling in a fight scene! just wanted to say I know the action team behind Daredevil and the recent marvel movies, and they're some of the best performers in the business! what makes the fights so good from a storytelling point of view though, is the fact that they're letting the Stunt coordinator do his thing with second unit. a lot of other films fall short because the director has a big ego and doesn't want to collaborate. the best filmmakers use everyone's strengths to the teams advantage :) again, great video! if you're interested, I'm about to launch a series of videos about how to physically film fight scenes!
whoa, that's so cool! I didn't know about that aspect of shooting. so the stunt coordinators get a lot more freedom in shooting?
that idea sounds super interesting. I'll check it out when you come out with them!
RightBrainRants thanks man, and I subscribed to your channel also!!
Stunt Coordinators rarely get a lot more freedom in shooting, but when it does happen, you get gems like The Raid, and Daredevil! I'm pretty sure on Daredevil, Phil Silvera got to direct 1st unit also for the action scenes
Rustic B please man, share the link of the channel you mentioned
hey Jose, thanks for your comment! I will be filming and posting the tutorials on my channel, actually :)
Rustic B yeah man, I just suscribed to your channel, looks great
Man, where the hell were you in my life? You really deserve much more subscribers, amazing videos, definitely subscribed.
I'm binge watching fight scene analyses, and yours is the first one I've enjoyed so far.
In addition to structure, I would like to add that in a visual medium you must be careful to never let the look of the fight be disorienting (shakycam in movies, odd angles in comics, etc.) UNLESS you know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it. The Bourne movies did it well, but it caused an explosion of imitators who did it just because it looked cool or was the newest fad but without any actual thought put into it.
a big moment of the raid 2 fight that really highlights the shift to act 3 is when Rama's opponent begins running away and throwing random objects at Rama. At that point he has given up trying to beat rama in a fair fight. Rama is better, so for him to win he can't rely on martial arts anymore.
Thank you for explaining that, it's something that I've subconsciously noticed, but never really realised - also, how great is the ending of The Raid 2's last battle, where 13 Ghosts II just completely takes over? I've always loved when movies lets everything fade away for a moment of storytelling where the music (if selected right) explains more than what words and dialogue could ever do.
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great video and great insight. i will say regarding revenge of the Sith, the chase across the lava was like the filmmakers adding knives. the the breakdown of the mining facility and the danger it posed to the fighters was meant to add tension and a new layer to the battle as at this point obi wan is struggling to get away to some advantage. while it's not perfect I'm always sucked in and i love it.
Nice analysis. Casting the fighters is key as well. Similar body builds and fighting ability can be cool for the "tug of war" you mentioned, because you can see the fight going to either person. Extreme differences can also be hot - think of the Bruce Lee vs Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
Your videos are awesome mate!
Keep up the good work!!
Wow, you've really given me something to work towards. Thank you!
Just subbed, dope analysis, great commentary on fight scenes, ur a great content creator. 😃
one of the best fight scenes ever was Tony Jaa in The Protector the church scene fight. that was epic
Gosh, i love your style!
Okay despite the lava thing in revenge of the Sith i still feel that the final battle was done very well. You say a fight should tell a story and in that last fight showed how angry the two fighters were. Obi wan seemed to try and repress his anger and seemed more remorseful while Anikin used his wrath like a weapon why perfectly reflects the teachings that both adopted. Sith draw strength from hatred and anger while Jedi draw power from peace. Even so the way the fight played out they both seemed more concerned with killing the other than their own personal safety or preservation, the way they caused wanton destruction in their wake as they hammered at each other is testament to that. In terms of the "acts" of the fight i think the fight was supposed to be locked in act 2 where neither side gets the better of each other and they just keep throwing new variables at each other in an attempt to break the others guard. But like you said a fight should tell a story and in this case maybe it showed that neither fighter was better than the other. If Obi Wan easily wooped Anikin it would raise some questions in Star Wars 4 right? And Obi Wan in a way won because he got lucky. Personally i wouldn't change a thing about the final fight, it played out spectacularly.
What an underrated video! This was great!
Hey man you're super talented really enjoyed a lot of your videos! All of them were really well made and well thought through. Subscribed and looking forward to new videos :)
That elevator scene in captain America winter soldier was ridiculously amazing
Dude, you have a fantastic channel! I make video essay as well. Where do you get your background music?
You should check out a show called Banshee if you havent already, that has some great fight scenes that follow these 3 acts :)
Cool video. A lot of professional wresting matches follow this formula too.
0:15 I remember how much I hate that in the batman movies...
really nice video! thanks for sharing
Good video man, keep it up. And I agree about today's Superhero movie fight scenes. I find myself bored most of the time.
I'm just really wondering how well the Russos will pull off fight scenes in Infinity War. It will probably be a CGI fest but I wonder if they can still retain a sense of the three act structure you've laid out even as things become incredibly spectacular. They'd prove themselves as absolute masters of the craft if they can manage to keep the battle with Thanos compelling while also dialing everything to 11.
The thanos fight is simple in theory. Extremely difficult to pull off in practice. Firstly, this videos mainly covers one v one and more specifically one v one fist fights,. That will not be the Thanos vs Avengers/Guardians fight, thus the same rules wont apply. It will likely involve super powers, alien subordinates, guns, bombs, and reality warping. For an example of what it should look like just use the Avengers protecting New York city from the Chitauri.
The difference here will be that Thanos should be able to take out the majority of Avengers without much difficulty. This means instead of being a balanced power struggle, it'll be a desperate last stand.
Civil War has tons of great examples done with CG
Russos can't do fights at all...Just crappy shakey cam and 50 cuts for one punch
@@TruthAndJustice5 lol you're very wrong
@@elishawilson1429 explain why please
Call me crazy, but sometimes I find excessive lengths of time spent sizing opponents up really off-putting
Why dont you already have 100k subs.?
Are you crazy?The fight in Rots was perfect,it musn't get savage at the end,but emotional.Same with bucky and cap vs iron man,cap vs tws (first one) and many more.
The fight scenes in Rurouni Kenshin(the live action ones) were fantastic
YOU COULDN'T BE MORE RIGHT
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great video man keep it up
Amazing video! 😃
"only one-on-one fights" Dammit, Captain America and Bucky v. Iron Man is out.
Great video!
this is an amazing video!! keep it up!! definitely up there with every frame a picture!!
Thanks so much! That's a huge compliment to me haha
+RightBrainRants you are welcome, how do you only have 550 subs??
haha I don't know! I'd like to have more :p
Why the raid drug lab fight started off with a bang and that didnt ruin anything.
OK THAT CHOICE OF USING JOJI'S "JOE PASS"
You guys have amazing tastes in music
Rama did buddy so dirty ..
What song was used?
I wonder if you know Tony Jaa's uncut fight scene in The Protector?
I do! it's amazing on a technical level.
Brilliant!
The resident evil retribution is so far one of the most steadiest camera now a days
what movie is that? 2:06
The tug-of-war referred to here is what Peter Russell calls "good news, bad news" and is a device used in Suspense/Thrillers. It's all about putting the hero in danger so we get anxious, then removing the threat so we relax, then repeating this over and over.
Nice video
Great video
Thanks!
another film that does this well is the hall way fight from old boy, I love your videos BTW, if your ever looking for help with anything I'd be more than willing
yeah definitely! that fight is almost perfectly structured.
I love the raid 2....berandal
I loved that you used The Man From Nowhere as a reference because I think that final fight scene even beats out The Raid Berandal in the whole perfect knife fight arena...But that being said, I couldn't disagree more with using Kill Bill clips. The action in those movies is laughably bad. It's barely a step up from Power Rangers.
Is the song joe pass?
I wouldn't say the Raid fight scene is the perfect fight scene because it went on a bit too long. The fight goes on for too long and this was not accompanied by a nice variation in pace. After the beginning, the fighters didn't separate too many times to pause. In my opinion, the transition to a knife fight came too late, when the bad guy was already too battered. Plus, when a character gets hit too many times and the same fast pace is kept, then the hits start losing some of their impact. Another important part of a fight scene is how well the actors sell their punches and how pretty or clever the choreography is (The Raid is great in this department). There is a marked difference between fight scenes involving trained fighters and those involving actors with limited fighting experience. Specifically, trained fighters or stunt performers throw punches that have more force and speed and generally look like they would be devastating if they connect. This is because they have greater control over their bodies and can afford to throw a punch without actually hurting someone. In terms of how clever the choreography is, the final fight scene from Fist of Legend was long, but it kept things fresh through the sheer variety of the moves displayed. It told the story of Chen Zhen learning how to adapt to the fighting style of his opponent, so it wasn't just a desperate fight for his life.
You are aware that this fight isn’t very realistic right? Like, in real life I don’t fights ever last that long and two: that’s a really dumb way to wield karmabits (go watch a video about how to wield one) and yes, I know, the assassin get hit in the head a bunch before he pulls out his weapon so maybe that affected the way he used them but then why couldn’t he just use his dual karambits initially in the first place? Isn’t that what you would do in a real life situation? Does any of this make sense?
What is the movie at 0:33?
the Man from Nowhere! It's super awesome, you should check it out!
You deserve way more subs
thank you!
What the fuck do you mean a lot didn't enjoy the fight between Superman and Batman?
It is the best combat of all CBMs.
#TheUltimateEdition
Awesome video very interesting but I’m going to have to fully disagree with you on the ROTS end fight
but, hey, didn't the lightsabre duel in 'the phantom menace' kick ass?!!
no, no it didn't. it looked fake, it felt fake, it had no emotional weight, if there were any stakes i didn't care, and was just pandering drivel.
You should rename your channel to "Why I love Marvel and DC sucks." It would be more on the nose. Jk cool video though
I was thinking you would use the fight scene in "The man from nowhere".
The Raid2 kitchen scene is what happens when a fight scene is looked and felt Over choreographed
it was not intense at all...i loved the fight dance they executed but it was far from a brutal fight
you're out of your mind. "dance", literally shut the fuck up
Kill Bill is the best
Indonesian?
Gak onok
I immediately disliked and left as soon as you dissed on the duel between anakin and obi wan
good riddance
If you want good fights then watch anime
you could easily say that the raid 2 could have its very own anime adaptation, for instance other movies of similar fight choreography like headshot and the night comes for us (especially that) also could have the same thing. I mean the gore is necessary to these films as well among the characters and backstories giving it more of a reason (apart from being an asian film) to be its own anime. They are just too satisfying to watch. Perfect fit for anime haha
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I agree with what you're saying, but I find The Raid films to be terrible and their action makes the film's even worse. I disagree entirely. The Batman V Superman fight actually worked for me, even thought the film itself wasn't great.In my opinion, other than there being no shaky cam, the Raid films' action scenes are perfect for how NOT to do action. Just my personal, subjective opinion on the matter.Wish you picked a more appropriate example that actually fit with what you were saying.
George Daugherty I have absolutely no idea how you can say the action in the raid movies are bad. The Raid movies are easily some of the best action movies ever made. In my opinion the BvS fight felt boring slow and clunky while the raid fights felt fast and full of adrenaline. It all comes down to personal opinion in the end though I guess.
basketballj1000 It's all subjective at the end of the day.
Boring and slow? NOPE. Slow, but brutal and visceral.
The Raid was just boring gore for the sake of gore. Had ZERO stakes in it and felt very fake. Sorry. That's just how I see it.
fake? they just use the right technique, not just simple punch n kick with super power, yea its personal opinion in the end.
The most ridiculous comment ever. Lol...
Uuuuuuuuewwhhhaaaatttt the hell r u saying
I really don't understand why people like the raid. It's just a stupid ordinary action movie.
Very overrated imo.
what make it stupid and ordinary? care to explain? u r make fun the raid but didnt mention better comparisson to it, sad. ppl wont know this "stupid ordinary" thing u talkin' about