Freezing water expands. What if you don't let it?

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    Page with TONS of info about water and ice
    water.lsbu.ac.uk/water/water_...
    Specifically, a graph showing density & temperature & pressure along the phase line!!!!!
    water.lsbu.ac.uk/water/images...
    Water freezing in isochoric conditions (theory):
    www.nature.com/articles/s4200...
    Water pressure/density calculator
    www.omnicalculator.com/physic...
    www.csgnetwork.com/water_densi...
    Article about pressure vs temperature vs volume expansion: Using freezing as a source of energy
    link.springer.com/article/10.....
    Latent heat of water at 0C
    link.springer.com/referencewo....
    Mariana Trench
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana....
    Regelation on wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regelat....
    Using Ice VI to freeze meat without tissue damage
    www.sciencedirect.com/science...
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  • @maxdudek4911
    @maxdudek4911 Před rokem +18394

    Wow I didn't know they came out with Ice III already, I must have missed Ice II

  • @smartereveryday
    @smartereveryday Před rokem +2228

    Well, now I just want a video about ice 3

    • @spidunno
      @spidunno Před 4 měsíci +80

      was entirely unaware that there were different types of ice and now I am in need of a video about it

    • @Peterotica
      @Peterotica Před 4 měsíci +73

      look up Ice Age 3

    • @tristanridley1601
      @tristanridley1601 Před 4 měsíci +42

      This is basically the video on ice 3. This is the method used to get it, and the one important property, and how we found out it exists.
      Now, another video about ice 2 through 20? :D

    • @AndyTheBoiz
      @AndyTheBoiz Před 4 měsíci +14

      There is a video called "Something weird happens when you keep squeezing" by Vox that also talks about these ice phases.

    • @rockets4kids
      @rockets4kids Před 3 měsíci +6

      There are *many* different forms of ice. The most interesting is ice-nine.

  • @darkAwesome100
    @darkAwesome100 Před 4 měsíci +372

    "Oh don't worry, nothing weird happens, it just turns into an entirely new form of ice"

  • @T33K3SS3LCH3N
    @T33K3SS3LCH3N Před rokem +1214

    If anyone else is wondering about Ice I and II:
    I: Normal ice as we know it, i.e. forming around 0°C and 1 bar.
    II: Formed from further cooling down ice I at a high pressure, for example at -75°C and 300 bar
    III: As discussed here: Freezing water under high pressure. Can be further turned into either Ice I or Ice II as well.
    And then there are like 15 more ice types that form at different pressure/temperature combinations.

    • @teppopierune5520
      @teppopierune5520 Před rokem +14

      Underrräted comment

    • @fmobus
      @fmobus Před 4 měsíci +47

      IX is the best, but requires careful handling

    • @jongeduard
      @jongeduard Před 4 měsíci +49

      Several of these ice types actually exist inside the Earth's mantle and probably other inside other planets as well.
      Above a certain pressure, when talking about gigapascals (GPa), eventually most things become solid, no matter how hot they are, and this includes water as well.

    • @tristanridley1601
      @tristanridley1601 Před 4 měsíci +13

      I love the theorized metallic water/ice. But since it needs terapascals...

    • @andrewhunt9808
      @andrewhunt9808 Před 4 měsíci +9

      Ice VII (7): Let's apply a ton of pressure to normally liquid water

  • @Ryukachoo
    @Ryukachoo Před rokem +4444

    Not mentioned; when doing this in real life, those pressure numbers get terrifying really fast. The ice desperately wants to form and will rip steel pipes apart, freezing instantly as it finally has room to expand.....hence pipes busting in winter

    • @dovos8572
      @dovos8572 Před rokem +385

      600 atm are 607 bar and that is the number for -4°C. a car tire has around 2 bar.

    • @fatitankeris6327
      @fatitankeris6327 Před rokem +126

      Electrostatic forces are damn strong...

    • @richardgratton7557
      @richardgratton7557 Před rokem +49

      Does a container that can withstand those pressures really exist?😮

    • @kazedcat
      @kazedcat Před rokem +179

      @@richardgratton7557 Yes you just need a really thick container.

    • @dovos8572
      @dovos8572 Před rokem +229

      @@richardgratton7557 yes it does exist but only with a very small volume where the pressure exists. it is basically a round steel ball with 10+cm wall thickness and a highly specialized valve. also another trick to do it is putting the high pressure tank inside a not as high pressurised tank so that the pressure difference between inside and outside isn't as extreme.

  • @Klick404
    @Klick404 Před rokem +7054

    Ice melting under pressure is oddly relatable

  • @Owen_loves_Butters
    @Owen_loves_Butters Před 7 měsíci +76

    That's why the term "incompressible" is a bit misleading. Water can be compressed, it's just that even a tiny bit of compression results in absurd amounts of pressure, since water molecules (or any liquid particles) push back against each other VERY strongly when they get close. Electromagnetism is a crazy strong force.

    • @majinnemesis
      @majinnemesis Před 2 měsíci +6

      the term itself is a bit misleading since pretty much everything in the universe is compressible if you apply enough force

  • @usptact
    @usptact Před 2 měsíci +13

    You: ha, I will hack universe!
    Universe: no you don’t.

  • @bjbboy71697
    @bjbboy71697 Před rokem +4217

    Wait, how have I never heard of Ice III before? I feel like we need a video just on that.

    • @AntonFetzer
      @AntonFetzer Před rokem +645

      It's just a slightly different crystal structure that is only stable under very high pressures. So you can't really do anything with it.

    • @Cythil
      @Cythil Před rokem +197

      It is not so odd considering people generally just come in to contact with you regular ice, water and vapour/gas. The other forms you generally see in just extreme conditions.

    • @mathiasplans
      @mathiasplans Před rokem +213

      From Wikipedia, there are 19 ices in total en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice#Phases

    • @5poolcatrush
      @5poolcatrush Před rokem +39

      @@Cythil but extreme conditions are extreme just for our common perception, lets say on some other planet or in some point underground they can be pretty "normal", so we must not judge on that just beause we don't see it regularly around us

    • @MrTomyCJ
      @MrTomyCJ Před rokem +155

      @@5poolcatrush extreme = something outside what we consider normal. That's not judging, it's just convenient use of language.

  • @TheLowey2002
    @TheLowey2002 Před rokem +2033

    Explaining complex topics so concisely in a minute is genius

    • @MindLaboratory
      @MindLaboratory Před rokem +81

      And 3 minutes is still pretty good

    • @gallium-gonzollium
      @gallium-gonzollium Před rokem +57

      @@MindLaboratory and pi minutes is a piece of cake

    • @steveoh9025
      @steveoh9025 Před rokem +21

      yeah, except it didn't explain, it just said there's two kinds of ice. could have been a 10 second video. now I've gotta go research "ice III" to learn the interesting part of the answer to the original question.

    • @VeganSemihCyprus33
      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Před rokem

      The Connections (2021) [short documentary]

    • @0011peace
      @0011peace Před rokem +1

      @@steveoh9025 ther are more than 2 that is why ice 1h and ice 3

  • @QANashvilleRealEstate
    @QANashvilleRealEstate Před rokem +45

    Learned in undergrad chemical engineering ice actually has 18 crystal structures (aka building blocks and they’ve actually found an ice-19) in which it can form depending on the surrounding conditions. Truly fascinating!
    Another fun fact the way iron forms it starts out bcc or body center cubic and at higher temps it switches to a fcc or face centered cubic structure and you can physically watch a piece of iron change it’s crystal structure

  • @twelved4983
    @twelved4983 Před rokem +62

    For y’all surprised that Ice III exists alongside Ice II, you should probably know that Ice VII (7) exists as well. Idk how much higher the numbers go lol

    • @sadn7990
      @sadn7990 Před rokem +16

      Ice 19 that's how high

    • @scratchy996
      @scratchy996 Před rokem +8

      Is Ice 3 a final release version, or is it still in early access ?

    • @twelved4983
      @twelved4983 Před rokem +9

      @@scratchy996 it’s actually been out for a while, just a bit under the radar. Not as popular as the other ices, but still holds its own against them.

  • @besmart
    @besmart Před rokem +1443

    Just watch out for ice nine. That stuff will really ruin your day, and everyone else’s.

    • @chaotickreg7024
      @chaotickreg7024 Před rokem +57

      I loved Cat's Cradle and I was hoping someone else would mention it. It's fun to watch people react while I explain all the various subplots and the fictional physics of Ice 9.

    • @patrickkilduff5272
      @patrickkilduff5272 Před rokem +88

      yeah...but ice nine HATES ice 7...since 7 ice 9

    • @oximas
      @oximas Před rokem +2

      @@patrickkilduff5272 lmao😂

    • @autumnshinespark
      @autumnshinespark Před rokem +11

      @@chaotickreg7024 So *that's* what 8 Bit Theater was referencing... Red Mage cast Ice IX on a Bag of Holding.

    • @marisakirisame1st
      @marisakirisame1st Před rokem +10

      ⑨ The strongest!

  • @yellowwoodstraveler
    @yellowwoodstraveler Před rokem +281

    I asked this question about 25 years ago in my first ever high school science class. The science teacher went and got the chemistry teacher. He thought it was a great question but he didn't know what the actual answer was. I've never stopped wondering! I hope he's still around, I'll send this to him and see if he remembers me asking all those years ago.

    • @yellowwoodstraveler
      @yellowwoodstraveler Před rokem +12

      @@mileyardgigahertz we don't, trust me! That was one of the best ones in a school full of very good teachers. I had just finished at a school down the road and it was full of the teaching rejects. Awful school. Maybe someday I'll write a book but probably no one will believe it!

    • @LabGecko
      @LabGecko Před rokem +10

      @@mileyardgigahertz The majority are just doing a job - not passionate about teaching like mentioned above. Passionate teachers in the US exist, but they are the exception. However, those that are both passionate and good at teaching subjects leave enough impact on the students that the students remember and talk about them later, so you hear about them. No one wants to remember the bad ones.

    • @jimmypatton4982
      @jimmypatton4982 Před rokem +3

      I have had my share of good teachers, who cared about teaching and bad teachers who cared about nothing, except keeping their job.
      I would say the main difference was that the great teachers, where secure in their living situation. No matter outcomes of students, and they only taught because they loved it.
      I also realize that I was only in good schools where teachers made living wage and students where raised well and respected teachers.

    • @CommieApe
      @CommieApe Před rokem

      Mileyard American teachers are overworked and underpaid like everywhere else.

    • @arv1ndgr
      @arv1ndgr Před rokem

      @@mileyardgigahertz Well, Thanks for atleast puting it out..

  • @colin_henry5504
    @colin_henry5504 Před rokem +16

    Great explanation for triple point! Never understood how it works in practice until now

    • @xymaryai8283
      @xymaryai8283 Před 5 měsíci

      usually we think of the gas/liquid/solid point as _the_ triple point, but you have a point (heh) that this is a explanation of a triple point

  • @jacksonschuler3785
    @jacksonschuler3785 Před rokem +2

    Best explanation of a phase diagram, very well done.

  • @Amonimus
    @Amonimus Před rokem +834

    Not only there are different types of ice, there are about freaking 20 of them, depending on the pressure.

    • @solsystem1342
      @solsystem1342 Před rokem +37

      And temperature

    • @garethdean6382
      @garethdean6382 Před rokem +72

      And even a few kinds that aren't stable at ANY pressure or temperature and need to be formed from clathrates.

    • @aaaaaattttttt5596
      @aaaaaattttttt5596 Před rokem +50

      @@garethdean6382 clath what now?

    • @IceHibiscus
      @IceHibiscus Před rokem +26

      Ice XIX is the newest form known to science, but it is entirely exotic and not able to be formed in nature. May there be more types to be discovered!

    • @IceHibiscus
      @IceHibiscus Před rokem +23

      @@aaaaaattttttt5596 Basically a foreign compound around which the water molecules arrange themselves.

  • @tildejustin
    @tildejustin Před rokem +1158

    Solid ice phases are actually extremely interesting, and there are quite a few of them. It's a fun research topic to expand (ha) your knowledge about crystalline structures and phase transitions.

    • @VeganSemihCyprus33
      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Před rokem +1

      The Connections (2021) [short documentary]

    • @v44n7
      @v44n7 Před rokem +3

      almost 2k atm at -20°c if you make a small hole, water doesn't rush out like crazy fast? could that be used to make anything useful?

    • @BackYardScience2000
      @BackYardScience2000 Před rokem +9

      They are extremely interesting. Especially when you try to learn about all 19 phases of water ice.

    • @blockchaaain
      @blockchaaain Před rokem +12

      @@v44n7 idk about usefulness, but those exotic phases of ice probably exist on icy/watery worlds. Even in our Solar System.

    • @Dragrath1
      @Dragrath1 Před rokem +9

      @@blockchaaain Yep in fact they have found inclusions of ice 7 within diamonds brought up from Earth's mantle so even on Earth there isn't just ice 1 naturally occurring if you look deep enough down

  • @cuttingcut1321
    @cuttingcut1321 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Bro you answered it so simply. I wish I had you as my professor during my Engineering days....The professors kind of gave us tough times and we had to figure it out ourselves.

  • @TheThinkersBible
    @TheThinkersBible Před rokem +2

    This is a well, "Brilliant" 🙂 explanation of a very unusual corner case in physics. Thanks for sharing!

  • @ducttapeengineer
    @ducttapeengineer Před rokem +803

    I think this deserves a follow up with the complete water phase diagram.

    • @KazmirRunik
      @KazmirRunik Před rokem +68

      That's a whole thing, probably longer than a minute, as different solid phases aren't concepts that just apply to water. For instance, common iron is known as alpha iron, while high-pressure iron can turn into epsilon iron, or hexaferrum. Carbon can be graphite or diamond. Oxygen has 8 different solid phases.
      The mechanisms involved in the creation of these are the exact same mechanisms that lead to the creation of ice III. The particles just pack into different arrangements because they don't have enough space to do what they'd do at the temperatures & pressures that we're used to.

    • @JohnnyBooi
      @JohnnyBooi Před rokem +16

      @@KazmirRunik Dope

    • @caleb8980
      @caleb8980 Před rokem +11

      @@KazmirRunik And don't even get started on phase diagrams of mixtures (Iron-Carbon for example) at which point the number of possible phases "explodes" depending on how mixable the constituents of the mixture are.
      Oh the sweet memories of having to memorize the entire Iron-Carbon-Diagram at atmospheric pressure and be able to draw it in the exam. Material engineering ftw! :D

    • @Kanbei11
      @Kanbei11 Před rokem +3

      Complete with supercritical water

    • @briand8090
      @briand8090 Před rokem +1

      Yeah, I would like to see the video on water in the vacuum of space.

  • @Michaelonyoutub
    @Michaelonyoutub Před rokem +245

    Please do a follow up video on the different kinds of ice and how they are formed. They are so interesting, I searched them up one day when looking into what would happen if a huge planet was made entirely of water, and the pressure would make interesting different kinds of ice like ice III. Seeing other comments, it seems others are interested in the different types too.

    • @mauricebenink
      @mauricebenink Před rokem +9

      Even cooler is that is technically possible if a planet is close enough to thier star to have a planet of ice that is on fire

    • @caterscarrots3407
      @caterscarrots3407 Před rokem +3

      @@mauricebenink Yeah, some ice only forms when it’s hot. And some only when it’s cold. And some under very low pressure, and some under enormously high pressure, it’s interesting just how many conditions will form ice.

    • @mr.boomguy
      @mr.boomguy Před rokem

      I think I don't remember. Wasn't it ice 7 that formed 'hot ice' you could call it. I remember a lot of numbers being jumped over

    • @ilikeceral3
      @ilikeceral3 Před rokem

      I think there is at least one actual exoplanet like that.

  • @MahraiZiller
    @MahraiZiller Před 3 měsíci +2

    Now I understand at a basic level the different versions of ice. Cheers 👍

  • @matthewshaffer9377
    @matthewshaffer9377 Před 5 měsíci +9

    If you lower pressure enough, the boiling point will decrease, so there is a point where if you freeze water in a low pressure environment, it will attempt to boil and freeze at the same time

    • @thedudeamongmengs2051
      @thedudeamongmengs2051 Před 4 měsíci +2

      This is actually a useful property. Freeze driers work by freezing a thing and then dropping the pressure so much that the ice evaporates rather than melting

    • @hoi-polloi1863
      @hoi-polloi1863 Před 4 měsíci +1

      A long time ago I read a scene like that in a sci fi book (can't remember which, more's the pity). Some aliens drop a bomb onto the surface of Europa, shattering it. The water underneath boils and freezes all at once!

  • @nehukybis
    @nehukybis Před rokem +148

    I think the most exciting phase of water is Ice IX, as described in a paper by K. Vonnegut, J. Jonah and K. Trout, appearing in the Summer 1963 edition of the journal "Cat's Cradle".

    • @jardel_lucca
      @jardel_lucca Před rokem +8

      This video reminded me of this classic too! Great research paper 😂 also digging into weird banned religions that seemingly everybody practices

    • @babaspector
      @babaspector Před rokem +4

      would be pretty interesting if it actually existed

    • @stephenolan5539
      @stephenolan5539 Před rokem +7

      Almost as interesting as Asimov's Thiotimoline.

    • @InknbeansPress
      @InknbeansPress Před rokem +11

      You guys are a pack of geeks! I've never felt more at home.

    • @1gorSouz4
      @1gorSouz4 Před rokem

      You sound like you just made that up haha

  • @Mike__B
    @Mike__B Před rokem +134

    Oh man I really missed these Minutephysics shorts. Thank you.

    • @VeganSemihCyprus33
      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Před rokem

      The Connections (2021) [short documentary]

    • @calholli
      @calholli Před rokem

      It's not a short

    • @Mike__B
      @Mike__B Před rokem +4

      @@calholli short in the sense that it's not a 15 minute video, not short in the sense that CZcams is trying to compete with TikTok

    • @teppopierune5520
      @teppopierune5520 Před rokem

      @@calholli -😵‍💫

  • @VietnamTravelGuide.
    @VietnamTravelGuide. Před rokem +1

    It's great to have your share on this.

  • @runderdfrech3560
    @runderdfrech3560 Před rokem

    This was a question I had years ago in school. Thank you that you aswered it.

  • @Celestial-yq6hz
    @Celestial-yq6hz Před rokem +327

    I’ve seen others try it, it mostly involved the (metal)container bursting open as the water froze

    • @appa609
      @appa609 Před rokem +70

      1850 bar is a lot of pressure. For a cylindrical mild steel vessel, you'd need about a 2.5" outer diameter to support a 1" inner diameter solid pressure vessel.

    • @jonathanodude6660
      @jonathanodude6660 Před rokem +42

      the whole point of the thought experiment is that it can handle much higher pressures than the random stuff you find around your house or even chem labs.

    • @VeganSemihCyprus33
      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Před rokem

      The Connections (2021) [short documentary]

    • @JoeARedHawk275
      @JoeARedHawk275 Před rokem +8

      Bro you really think scientists and minutephysics would ask this question for a random household plastic or glass container? Maybe I just missed your sarcasm.

    • @Celestial-yq6hz
      @Celestial-yq6hz Před rokem +5

      @@JoeARedHawk275 I meant it was a metal container 😅

  • @tajwar9547
    @tajwar9547 Před rokem +138

    We just covered phase diagrams in Solid State Chemistry. Super interesting and simple to understand.

    • @self-proclaimedanimator
      @self-proclaimedanimator Před rokem

      CBSE gang here

    • @VeganSemihCyprus33
      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Před rokem

      The Connections (2021) [short documentary]

    • @GemAppleTom
      @GemAppleTom Před rokem +6

      You’ll come to regret calling it simple… the basics are but you’ll find out it’s a lot more complicated but even more interesting 😊

  • @TheNeilBlack
    @TheNeilBlack Před rokem

    Thank you for this. I wondered about this for years as a kid.

  • @bmurali5128
    @bmurali5128 Před rokem

    Didn’t know that! Thanks for the knowledge

  • @MayorMcC666
    @MayorMcC666 Před rokem +28

    its amazing you are still dropping classic videos after all these years. kudos people will be watcing these videos for decades.

  • @OgdenM
    @OgdenM Před 5 měsíci +5

    This is actually really hard to do though. You need super strong metals like you said and super strong joints and then there is the issue of how the container is closed. ... like threads are weak etc etc.

  • @seamusriley4503
    @seamusriley4503 Před 2 měsíci

    I've been wondering this for literal years. Thank you.

  • @HershO.
    @HershO. Před rokem +54

    I heard back in like 2019 in some TV show(Discovery channel I think) that there are 7 different such types of ice, all at different pressure and temperature conditions. This gave me some nostalgia.

    • @yaykruser
      @yaykruser Před rokem +16

      there are 18 differjt rypes of Ice...

    • @HershO.
      @HershO. Před rokem +3

      ​@@yaykruser ohh thanks.

    • @Splarkszter
      @Splarkszter Před rokem

      Discovery channel did a good job of introducing people to science. The only bad thing is that 90% of the time is very outdated or sometimes wrong information.
      But we know that what makes them money is naked people ""surviving"" in very unhealthy situations, i hate average people.

    • @VeganSemihCyprus33
      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Před rokem

      The Connections (2021) [short documentary]

    • @Optimistas777
      @Optimistas777 Před rokem

      @@yaykruser there's more, check wikipedia

  • @M_1024
    @M_1024 Před rokem +29

    Please make a video about Information Paradox (and why information can't be lost)

  • @glitchgatsby4290
    @glitchgatsby4290 Před rokem +1

    This helped solidify my understanding of triple points

  • @emerald3190
    @emerald3190 Před 4 měsíci +38

    the enby jokes earned my subscription and made my day thabk you

    • @Kara_Kay_Eschel
      @Kara_Kay_Eschel Před 3 měsíci +2

      I was looking for something like this

    • @Link9058
      @Link9058 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Non-binary is also just a regular phrase to refer to something which has more than 2 options.

  • @TallinuTV
    @TallinuTV Před rokem +17

    Fascinating. I’d heard that people had discovered a bunch more phases of water/ice, but I had no idea there was one which contracted instead of expanding, and this explanation of how you get to it is great!

  • @Minty_Mane
    @Minty_Mane Před rokem +87

    I've actually seen an example of this recently! I put a can of pepsi in the freezer just to see what would happen.
    At first it expanded and the can bulged out, and I assumed it had stopped expanding and all the liquid had frozen after a couple days. But then at some point the can burst, and sprayed liquid pepsi all over the inside of my freezer! When I looked inside, it kind of looked like it had formed horizontal stalagmites on the door of the freezer, almost as though it had frozen instantly upon touching the wall or even in mid-air, which makes sense considering it would have been below the freezing point by then, and would have gotten even colder when the can burst due to the sudden expansion of the pepsi!

    • @LittleWhole
      @LittleWhole Před rokem +20

      Yep, a related concept is that of "superchilling". A liquid can be superchilled well below its freezing point but still stay as a liquid, but when some sort of external force or agitation is undergone, it will suddenly and almost instantaneously freeze.

    • @ragingfirefrog
      @ragingfirefrog Před rokem +7

      @@LittleWhole Even more interesting is that a type of hand warmer uses superchilling to produce heat. Not the most effective thing but still interesting nonetheless.

    • @Minty_Mane
      @Minty_Mane Před rokem +4

      @@ragingfirefrog I actually have a few of those reusable hand warmers, very useful where I live since its so cold in winter.

    • @stephenolan5539
      @stephenolan5539 Před rokem +1

      The soluabilty of a gas in liquid varies inversely with temperature. So the pressure from the CO2 would decrease. But afaik it is not dissolved in any ice that forms. Which means the pressure increases as there is less liquid to dissolve the gas.

    • @scratchy996
      @scratchy996 Před rokem +3

      I forgot 3 energy drinks in the freezer. A Coke Energy, a Burn and a Red Bull. The Coke and Burn broke the can and froze. The Red Bull didn't freeze. It looks like Red Bull is so toxic, it contains anti-freeze instead of water.

  • @colonelthreehat1153
    @colonelthreehat1153 Před 7 měsíci +4

    of all the answers i was expecting for this problem, trans rights for ice was not one of them

  • @kabj06
    @kabj06 Před 9 měsíci +1

    honey, come quick, ice 3 just dropped

  • @AllAmericanBeaner68
    @AllAmericanBeaner68 Před rokem +78

    Neat video, I was hoping you would bring up Ice 7 though that forms at over 3GPa!

    • @Ivancal72
      @Ivancal72 Před rokem +9

      wtf 7 different kind of ice? what I've missed

    • @xtieburn
      @xtieburn Před rokem +33

      ​@@Ivancal72 Not 7, apparently 19. at least, last I checked. There is potential for many more.

    • @HercadosP
      @HercadosP Před rokem +5

      @@xtieburn water is weird af. Life is remarkable for relying on it so much, although I do wonder how would nonpolar life look like

    • @enricobianchi4499
      @enricobianchi4499 Před rokem +9

      @@HercadosP like nothing probably, polar compounds are probably an important part of what even allows chemical compounds to have enough degrees of complexity to make life happen

    • @blak4831
      @blak4831 Před rokem +6

      @@Ivancal72 They're mostly different ways of arranging the water molecules into crystals. Because water is such a simple molecule there's a lot of ways to do that, but because of complicated physics reasons most of these ways are really, really difficult to make happen so we mostly end up with ice 1h

  • @salehhouimi1835
    @salehhouimi1835 Před rokem +5

    I was just wondering why didn't you post anything new for a while. Love what you do. Keep going ❤️

  • @aquarius5264
    @aquarius5264 Před 4 měsíci +2

    i dig the solo double bass in the background

  • @Rancid-Jane
    @Rancid-Jane Před rokem

    I have often wondered. Now I know. Thank you.

  • @Noisivus
    @Noisivus Před rokem +37

    I’ve heard about stuff like ice 7 that’s alleged to make up the sea floor on planets with remarkably deep oceans and been found on earth too by diamond mining operations. Idk if it’s more or less dense than water though but definitely denser than regular ice

    • @solsystem1342
      @solsystem1342 Před rokem +2

      I think the gas giants have some. Although they have way more liquid hydrogen than ice anyways.

    • @neopalm2050
      @neopalm2050 Před rokem +7

      @@solsystem1342 Gas giants are supposed to have Ice XVIII (18). It's pretty wild. It's basically an "anti-metal" or something. Instead of having a lattice of positive metal ions in a sea of electrons, this has a lattice of negative oxygen ions in a sea of protons (hydrogen ions).

  • @BAMTV-wz7jj
    @BAMTV-wz7jj Před rokem +23

    I've thought about this before and it's cool to see someone tell me the answer.

    • @VeganSemihCyprus33
      @VeganSemihCyprus33 Před rokem +1

      The Connections (2021) [short documentary]

    • @Soken50
      @Soken50 Před rokem

      @@VeganSemihCyprus33 Why don't you take a long hike off a short pier.

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin Před rokem +1

      Just wait until you hear 'bout the other 18 forms of ice.

    • @BAMTV-wz7jj
      @BAMTV-wz7jj Před rokem

      @@kindlin wait there’s more 😅

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin Před rokem +1

      @@BAMTV-wz7jj
      So much more....
      Water, one of the most simple and common molecules around us, is actually one of the most complex behaving molecules we've studied.

  • @frankharr9466
    @frankharr9466 Před 4 měsíci

    That's pretty neat. Thank you.

  • @user-ib6xp9zx6f
    @user-ib6xp9zx6f Před 2 měsíci +1

    Interesting and brief. Winner.

  • @blackamaterasuflame
    @blackamaterasuflame Před rokem +10

    Ive wondered this my entire life. Thank you

    • @ChadEichhorn
      @ChadEichhorn Před rokem +2

      sounds like you would really enjoy watching some lectures on intro materials science! phase diagrams are super cool!

  • @TannerSwizel
    @TannerSwizel Před rokem +10

    I think the first time I had ever heard there are different phases of ice was reading about a hypothetical planet's ocean being an order of magnitude deeper than Earth's. The pressure found deep in this ultra deep ocean forces water to freeze in this manner and forms the seafloor. For a planet the size of Earth I think it's around 65km in depth to get like this.

    • @mdkooter
      @mdkooter Před rokem

      I think I've seen the same video, because after reading your text I suddenly came to the realisation that I also first heard of Ice-types in such a condition. Thanks! :)

    • @hoi-polloi1863
      @hoi-polloi1863 Před 4 měsíci

      Hmm... Ice-1 is barely less dense than water. If Ice-3 is denser than water, seems like it would build up on the seafloor over time, potentially causing any number of awkward problems!

  • @shadowhawk320
    @shadowhawk320 Před rokem

    this is a question I've pondered about in the shower for years.
    Thank you.

  • @jdspencer60
    @jdspencer60 Před rokem

    You can also boil water at very low temperatures like 140 degrees farenheit, we used "vac boilers" to clean out old printer cartridges at one of my old jobs. the boiling happens and creates amazing agitation but the water is only 140-150 F so it doesn't damage them

    • @Xnoob545
      @Xnoob545 Před 22 dny

      I boiled water at that temperature by sucking some up in a syringe, blocking off the entry hole, and then pulling on it. The inside space increases by like multiple times, which decreases the pressure, and the water boils
      At first the syringe wants to collapse but if you hold it at the expanded position eventually the pressure from the water vapour makes the stretched position the "default" instead of it being forced

  • @MrThis1dude
    @MrThis1dude Před rokem +18

    I love learning but I love cheesy puns more! Henry, so many bonus points!

    • @themexis
      @themexis Před rokem +1

      That ice-suspect kept me watching til the end of the video.

  • @lsedge7280
    @lsedge7280 Před rokem +6

    This is a great video, it explains phase diagrams really well, I think maybe the only criticism is that the word "equilibrium" would've been nice at the end, as often when you get an apparent paradox point in a changing system, what you really reach is an equilibrium (forces influencing one way equal forces influencing the other).
    What I will say as something you've taught me, ICE III CONTRACTS? I knew different types of ice existed and had differing properties, but it contracts, that's wild. I would love a video on the different types of ice honestly.

    • @Archimedes.5000
      @Archimedes.5000 Před rokem +2

      Well, most substances contract when solidifying, water is the exception, and it's the reason why the phase diagram is different for it as well

    • @killerbee.13
      @killerbee.13 Před rokem +6

      Almost every material contracts as it freezes. Water happens to have a unusual (near-unique) combination of a relatively dense liquid phase (due to hydrogen bonds) and the least dense solid phase it can given its bond length (different crystal structures have different 'packing factors' and ice Ih is the least efficient of any of the common crystal structures, if I remember correctly), and even then the efficiency difference is quite small and ice only expands by like 10%. But other ice phases have other crystal structures (this is actually the primary way a crystal phase is defined), which I think all have higher packing factors than ice Ih. So, pretty much every other phase of ice is denser than regular ice, and I don't think there are any others that are less dense than liquid water. There are like 18 of them and I didn't check them all.
      There are other materials with the same crystal structure as ice Ih, but their liquid phases aren't as dense as water's so they still contract when freezing, just not by as much as some other materials.
      For some reason the actual packing factors of various crystal structures are incredibly difficult to find online, outside of the 5 most common crystal structures that metals and stuff have. I can't find ice Ih's packing factor at all and I've been looking for like 30 minutes. You'd think this would be a pretty basic thing, as it's a very simple geometry problem, but I can't even find the parameters I'd need to calculate it myself.

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad Před rokem

      @@Archimedes.5000 Ice 3 contracting is like North Korea becoming more democratic. It's normal for other countries, but still very strange for North Korea.
      Contracting while solidifying is normal for other elements, but very strange for water.

  • @OniMetsuki
    @OniMetsuki Před rokem +1

    Also note that Very high pressure ice also melts at a higher temperature.
    For example from about 6k bar it's melting temperature starts dramatically increasing. At almost 100k bar it is frozen and that type of ice only starts melting at about 330c. More pressure and temps keep increasing for melting point.
    Of interest if the pressure is dropped some types of ice (formed at High pressure) at 1 atm will still have an increased melting point mildly above 0c. From memory of a documentary many Years ago it was somewhere between 3 to 7c but don't hold me to that part, but is about right I think - bit tired at the moment. They were doing experiments with a diamond anvil cell.

  • @doxielain2231
    @doxielain2231 Před rokem +1

    It amazes me the pressures that system can reach.

  • @j0hncramer
    @j0hncramer Před rokem +24

    you just gonna gloss over the fact that there is apparently an ice 3? tell us about the magic ice!

    • @MyBiPolarBearMax
      @MyBiPolarBearMax Před rokem +14

      Waitll you hear about ice-9!

    • @whuzzzup
      @whuzzzup Před rokem +1

      There are far more (water) ice crystal structures than just 3.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 Před rokem

      There are 18 known phases of ice. Probably more unknown ones.

  • @DaeronRT
    @DaeronRT Před rokem +10

    Wow, this remind me those when as soon you open a sealed bottle of water it freezes completely. But also we can do the opposite bt bolling water on a fully airtight bottle and toss it in the fire, I used to do that on some camping trips when we forgot to bring kettle. Pressure can do wonders if you know how to take advantage from

  • @a.d.3803
    @a.d.3803 Před rokem

    Literally was wondering about this the other day

  • @matthewhenthorn3343
    @matthewhenthorn3343 Před rokem

    i think that below a certain depth in the ocean, it is techniqucally below freezing but due to the pressure it doesn't freeze. i heard something like that on an attenborough doc, or it could have been that water around hydrothermal vents were many times hotter than boiling but couldn't due to pressure.

  • @Mr_CraftyFR
    @Mr_CraftyFR Před rokem +14

    I got a question:
    If you got an object which the mass is just below the mass needed to create a black hole, you take that material and you accelerate it by like, throwing it really fast or not.
    *Will this material become a blackhole?*

    • @Coastfog
      @Coastfog Před rokem +1

      Since e=mc^2, yes. But no.

    • @bronzejourney5784
      @bronzejourney5784 Před rokem +2

      I like the way you think, keep being curious.

    • @SlimThrull
      @SlimThrull Před rokem +1

      No. Mass doesn't increase with speed, gamma does. Here's a video explaining it very, very well: czcams.com/video/LTJauaefTZM/video.html
      Edit: Gamma, not Lambda.

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad Před rokem

      @@SlimThrull Thanks for the video 👍

    • @Mr_CraftyFR
      @Mr_CraftyFR Před rokem +2

      @@SlimThrull But if you increase the speed, the material will colide with the air and it will increase it's mass if the molecule in the air sticks to the material

  • @richardgarrison5286
    @richardgarrison5286 Před rokem +2

    You blow my mind dude

  • @brunetteordie
    @brunetteordie Před rokem +1

    In the extreme, the pressure on the atomic structure, if not allowed to crystalize, will force a fracturing of normal space, into subspace, causing a rift in the space-time continuum. This can be contained using a static warp shell. It can then be successfully repaired by hitting it with a focused inverse tachyon pulse.

  • @kexcz8276
    @kexcz8276 Před 4 měsíci

    Lol. I had just completely learned phase diagrams for Steel- Fe3C, and it became obvious right away what will happen, although with iron, we can ignore the pressure because it doesn't do much with solids, thus we can use the Gibb's phase law with just +1 , but with +2 when it is water . Nice video!

  • @Splarkszter
    @Splarkszter Před rokem +3

    i would love that you included a clip of what would have happened if the container can't withstand infinite pressures.

  • @trevorgrover5619
    @trevorgrover5619 Před rokem +88

    I feel like we need a video on every phase of matter water has

  • @Vort_tm
    @Vort_tm Před rokem +4

    Fairly low level chemistry but despite knowing the concepts (I mean, I have a degree in it...) oddly satisfying to watch. Thanks!

  • @in_vas_por8810
    @in_vas_por8810 Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing info. Thanks!

  • @bgtherobit
    @bgtherobit Před 5 měsíci +3

    unrelated to the main topic of the video but i love how the music sounds like the music that plays when theyre drawing in the notebook on blues clues lmao.

  • @kobil316SH
    @kobil316SH Před rokem +4

    Wait wtf is ice 3???

    • @carultch
      @carultch Před rokem +1

      It's a different crystal structure of ice, than the standard ice you normally experience.

  • @paulwesley3862
    @paulwesley3862 Před rokem +4

    another interesting point is where the three lines of the phase diagram meet: the Triple Point where water freezes and boiles simultaneously

  • @omega8999
    @omega8999 Před rokem

    Man, this is actually brilliant

  • @seriousnorbo3838
    @seriousnorbo3838 Před 6 dny +1

    Me: Trying to make a paradox
    Universe: You know what, screw you! **Updates my ice to ice 3**

  • @ShlokParab
    @ShlokParab Před rokem +5

    Before : so there's a paradox here
    After : There exists something called ice 3
    Me: that's cheating

  • @a1919akelbo
    @a1919akelbo Před rokem +10

    Interesting side fact: because if the low surface area with the body weight of a human, skates cause the ice bellow it to melt which is what causes you to glide so smoothly.

    • @Rotem_S
      @Rotem_S Před rokem +4

      iirc this has been partially debunked - ice below some temperature (minus 6 Celsius or something?) can't melt enough to support skating through pressure melting alone, so there are other effects that help skate

    • @dont-want-no-wrench
      @dont-want-no-wrench Před rokem +1

      considering the surface area by weight of my ass, ice can support a skater quite well.

  • @joshgiesbrecht
    @joshgiesbrecht Před 2 měsíci

    I’ve pondered this question for years and nobody’s been able to give me a solid (pun…intended?) answer. Thank you for this!

  • @Hogwing
    @Hogwing Před rokem

    And this is to go even further beyond!!!

  • @fuyuminekimaya7571
    @fuyuminekimaya7571 Před rokem +6

    I'm proud of water coming out as enby, but I think everyone around them already saw it coming. still takes courage though, good job water

  • @Klatski
    @Klatski Před rokem +6

    2:04 so this is where Ice-9 in Zero Escape 999 comes from?? :O

    • @WilliamLeeSims
      @WilliamLeeSims Před rokem +4

      Ice-9 originally came from the book "Cat's Cradle".

    • @Klatski
      @Klatski Před rokem +1

      @@WilliamLeeSims ...which came from this

  • @jacknolan6170
    @jacknolan6170 Před rokem

    i haven’t started the video yet but i’ve wondered about this question for the longest time

  • @__8120
    @__8120 Před rokem +1

    OH MY GOD I'VE HAD THIS QUESTION SINCE GRADE 5 THANK YOU SO MUCH

  • @thehiddenninja3428
    @thehiddenninja3428 Před rokem +4

    Why would anyone think there was a paradox here and not simply that it'll reach equilibrium?

    • @garethdean6382
      @garethdean6382 Před rokem +2

      The 'Preface paradox' is a whole big thing about how a book noting that it may have errors in it is crazy. The 'Temperature paradox' is literally 'The temperature is rising. The temperature is ninety. Therefore, ninety is rising.'
      Paradoxes as a whole can be astoundingly dumb.

  • @ryuuzaki24
    @ryuuzaki24 Před rokem +4

    I'm rooting for Ice 9 (RIP San Lorenzo Island)

  • @goneutt
    @goneutt Před měsícem

    Thanks, I was thinking about this listening to a Neil Asher novel

  • @bdub8442
    @bdub8442 Před rokem +2

    There’s actually higher ice numbers too but it gets very technical

  • @Damanios
    @Damanios Před rokem +6

    Just be careful with these experiments to not accidentally create ice 9…

  • @prometheus7387
    @prometheus7387 Před rokem +12

    Water is like this very mystical compound that seemingly defies the laws of physics

    • @Yora21
      @Yora21 Před rokem

      All the way back in the late 90s, the EU did a huge study to compare the quality of school education between member countries by letting kids take a number of voluntary, non-graded exams on a wide range of subjects.
      I was one of the kids selected in Germany, and the one test question I remember was to write a one-page reply to the question "What would be the effects on nature if frozen water did not float?"
      And it's really easy to fill a page once you start going down that rabbit hole.

  • @ahreuwu
    @ahreuwu Před rokem

    this whole ice iii business is a brand new world to me, guess I have some googling to do later! loved the ending haha

  • @bbbenj
    @bbbenj Před rokem

    I didn't know about Ice III, thanks 👍

  • @Deadlychuck84
    @Deadlychuck84 Před rokem +6

    Of course water's phases aren't a binary, there's literally 3 commonly known phases???

  • @justjim3168
    @justjim3168 Před rokem

    Great video about a fascinating topic.
    Brilliant.
    Would you consider conducting an experiment on the following topic?
    Ferrofluid: magnetic liquid.
    Does it freeze and if so, at what temperature?
    Does it retain its magnetic properties once frozen?
    And what happens when it's heated, does it boil?
    Does it evaporate, and if so, is the 'vapour' magnetic?

  • @Twisted_Code
    @Twisted_Code Před 4 měsíci +2

    Thermal expansion isn't just the name of a Minecraft mod. Water, in particular, has a habit of both expanding and contracting over a given change in temperature (or temperature Delta, if you will), and being a pain in the posterior (well, specifically the back pants pocket) about it to anyone who owns pipes and is not a plumber. ESPECIALLY the non-plumbers, but presumably even the Mario Brothers wouldn't care for the extra unpaid work.

  • @anandu6859
    @anandu6859 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Video length is 3.14

  • @MYLITTLEPWNY97
    @MYLITTLEPWNY97 Před rokem +3

    Damn Ice 3 is already out? I havent even tried ice 2 yet :(

  • @pacificostudios
    @pacificostudios Před rokem +2

    I remember studying this in college, Mostly I remember learning about the Triple Point. Water is definitely more interesting than most people think it is.

  • @alaskacanoe6837
    @alaskacanoe6837 Před 28 dny +1

    Had to stop and revisit each concept many times. it is a very good project you have done here. albiet covering many dimensions of the regelation etc. based on allowed space and pressure.
    As you can tell I am neither a scientist or engineer and have no formal training in such things. even the use of the graphs you use are useful... If you have time to consider, please let me ask a question about this subject. If I compress snow or ice to well over the 500 PSI needed to melt, Is is possible to keep the melted ice/water state from refreezing with a small amount of temp above 0 degree C ? lets suppose that I have a machine such as a metal shredder machine, the kind used to shred a car into small pieces, and I put snow in the shredder and let the snow be crushed and squeezed to pressures many times over 500 times atmosphere, would it be easy to not allow the regelation process with a small amount of heat? Thank you so much if you have a moment to consider.. Max..

  • @Sparkz1607
    @Sparkz1607 Před rokem +40

    "It turns out ice can be nonbinary"
    That's a great line tbh, gets the point across with a trendy and humorous analogy