Women Erased: Mary Magdalene and the Gospel of John with Elizabeth Schrader
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- Elizabeth Schrader is a Ph.D. candidate in Early Christianity at Duke University. Her research interests include the New Testament Gospels, the Nag Hammadi corpus, Mary Magdalene, textual criticism, and feminist theology. She holds an M.A. and an S.T.M. from the General Theological Seminary of the Episcopal Church. Her work about the potential suppression of Mary Magdalene was published in the Harvard Theological Review and featured by both the Daily Beast and Religion News Service.
Schrader has focused her research on the way Mary Magdalene’s role was deliberately downplayed by biblical scribes to minimize her importance.
Specifically, she looks at the story of the raising of Lazarus told in the Gospel of John. In today’s Bibles, Lazarus has two sisters, Mary and Martha. But poring over hundreds of hand-copied early Greek and Latin manuscripts of the Gospel, Schrader found the name Martha had been altered. The scribes scratched out one Greek letter and replaced it with another, thereby changing the original name “Mary” to read “Martha.” They then split one woman into two.
Schrader argues that the Mary of the original text is Mary Magdalene, not Martha or Martha’s sister, Mary. The two sisters belong to another story, in the Gospel of Luke, that is not repeated in John’s Gospel.
What I'm seeing happen here is that through slow, studious, meticulous, efforts to piece together back what really happened. This is phenomenal stuff.
Thrilled to see female researchers and phD’s scholars. Finally !!!!🎉
Thank you Elizabeth, awesome exposition of the anomalies in the Gospel of John. Loved your enthusiasm to un-erase Mary Magdalene. You have given us so much to think about. Thank you.
I love that her name is "Mary the tower!"
The core teaching of Mary Magdalene and the wisdom of "A Course in Miracles" (ACIM) emphasize Christ consciousness, which is based on unconditional love, forgiveness, and acceptance. They teach that religion has been separated, leading to unawareness of the cosmic consciousness of Christ, misunderstood until this time. The new generation is awakening to the realization that the soul is divine and illuminating, transcending the illusions of the ego-mind and body. Women of high consciousness, like Mary Magdalene, were removed from religious narratives, challenging us to transcend the illusion of separation and recognize the eternal truth that shines within us all. Christ's sacrifice symbolizes that the body is not the true self; rather, we are eternal souls, spirits, and manifestations of unconditional love. Realizing this truth breaks the illusion of time, space, ego-mind, and perception, leading us to embrace the oneness with God's unconditional love.
This means so much to me. It blows away the implicit misogyny the church is built on. Jesus speaks to me through this revelation in a really visceral way. Brought up Catholic, steeped in women being spiritually suspect, I’ve had to walk away. Truly a revelation to me.
that amazing, dont walk from Jesus tho! he loves you for sure
So so glad we are here...am so glad we are here
"The WORD is vulnerable." Wow.
Just as in genealogy, it is difficult to prove beyond a doubt that Martha was not just another Mary/Maria. There are some men, like Charles Stanley, RIP, who would never agree to what they think about the Bible. Some scholars in seminary said that everything in the Bible needed and needs to be tested with the words of Jesus. There are too many people who hang their faith in Saul of Tarsus, instead of Jesus the Christ.
Thank you to Elizabeth Schrader for bringing this information out! I've just heard about it and am telling friends. I cannot wait to see where this research takes us.
Thank you, Elizabeth for such extraordinary and meticulous research. I'm convinced you are absolutely correct in your findings and it makes perfect sense that Mary Magdalene would have far too controversial and powerful a person for the times. But given the incredibly revolutionary teachings of Christ, Mary's high status is totally understandable.
Especially strong and exciting is your elucidation and explanation of 'the vulnerable word/text'....'this illness is not unto death', etc symbolic, so that the Gospel could be admitted into the canon. Again, brava!
This is an absolutely wonderful presentation. Your channel has some incredible videos. I am such a fan of Elizabeth Schrader and of Mary Magdalene.
Oh yes, an illness is in the text, very well said ! Beaufifully and wisely said Elizabeth. ...and the illness is temporary. Wisdom comes to those who seeks it ! And in the end the truth will come out. God can use everything for good ! Glory to God.
Wonderful presentation. I'm sorry I missed the original presentation.
so grateful for your expertise, brought to us in such a clear and entertaining fashion! Many of these points were brought to the fore in by my professors during 1977-1984 in Louvain at the KULeuven. Thankyou for setting forth this very important work, Elizabeth. Brava!
Thank you so much! I’m following the figure of Magdalene in art for a while. There is another detail which is hard to see which is obvious and is that Mary was the first hermit in Christianity. They say it was Paul a few hundred years later. Another detail is that Paul is from Thebes, Egypt. Now Luxor!
Wonderful presentation. May many others watch this and be as blessed!
This is fascinating! Thank you for your research and sharing it with us.
Love your work, and may God bless you and keep you.
You’re an excellent teacher, Elizabeth. Thank you so much for your important and thorough work!
Enjoyed hearing about your research. I’ve always thought that the story of Mary was an important one.
Excellent food for thought, and I will read more on this. At this point, the question I have is what is being intended jointly by the depiction of Lazarus, Mary/Martha (as a single entity), and Peter in the Gospel of John? Assuming that the text has been edited to downplay Mary to emphasize Peter at a time when the Church was becoming more established and centered around Peter, the beginning of John 20 has this weird competition of sorts involving these three characters (assuming the "other disciple" is Lazarus, the "one Jesus loved").
And I'm taking "Lazarus" as perhaps a literary device overall in John, as Lazarus in Luke is treated as a parable, for the purpose of belief without direct evidence. I think John may be rewriting this to emphasize having hard evidence (and this is before the later texts were edited to downplay Mary). This also suggests that Lazarus is a symbolic character about a belief in resurrection generally, and the historical Mary may have been key to the development of this belief. She could have been one of the "pillars" like Peter/Cephas, which may be the real source of her nickname "Magdalene"--tower-lady. Even the use of the words "brother" and "sister" is suspect, as these can be used in a cultic sense, all in the early church also being considered adopted sons (or daughters) of God in belief in Christ.
It's highly speculative, but assuming that Mary was intended to be more prominent in the original John, then any text which shifts away from her (or from Lazarus) could be suspect, perhaps the result of later editing. If there were two versions (both actually somewhat symbolic in nature), the original with Mary alone, and a second introducing "Mary and Martha" as two sisters (with the intent to water down Mary's role), then this points to motive -- other parts of the text may have had different versions centered around the characters of Lazarus, Mary/Martha, and Peter, with the goal of shifting things away from Mary to Martha, and even having shifts around Lazarus (as his resurrection is deemed central to John's narrative of the Sanhedrin beginning to plot against Jesus-- is he the beloved disciple, and the competitor to Peter?). And this may all be literary, shifting and altering an original narrative (even just a parable) to be brought in line with a developing institutional framework.
I realise that Secret Mark is a controversial topic, but perhaps worth pointing out that the passages fit very well with this hypothesis. In Secret Mark the (unnamed) resurrected youth has just one (unnamed) sister not two. She behaves just like Mary M and is rebuked by the other disciples, angering Jesus. And she subsequently joins Salome and Jesus’s mother. In short, Secret Mark closely resembles the “smoking gun” single sister version of the story that you are seeking.
Thank you so much Elizabeth !! Could you post the artwork?
FABULOUS I love the early years ! Best !
Thank you so much for your great work in uncovering this. I love Mary the Tower.
Thank you so much for sharing this.
Wow ! Amazing work. I am so grateful.
DEFINITELY! EXCELLENT WORK!
Thank you for the excellent work
Pursue it and you have my back! ❤for the glory of God!🙏I will be around until you get it done🙏🔥❤️🌈
The parallels between John 11 and John 20 are really compelling. I wonder how Dennis MacDonald's reading of John would jive or contradict the idea of Mary being so important.
Josephus mentioned a man by the name Simon ben Boethus whom Herod the Great appointed as high priest after Herod married his beautiful young daughter. The daughter's name is Mariamme (Mariamme II to be distinguished from Mariamme I 2nd wife of Herod). This Mariamme had siblings who later became high priests, since her father was from a priestly family from Alexandria. One of the siblings name is Eleazar (Lazarus in Greek), who became a high priest for a short time (3 months) around 4 BCE. According to rabinnic writings, Simon also had a daughter by the name Martha who was a very rich woman in Jerusalem, who was married to a high priest.... Magdala, aside from being a village in Galilee, is a Hebrew feminine word for "tower". This can refer to Mary Magdalene's social standing and it can also refer to the tower in Jerusalem built by Herod, the Mariamme Tower (Josephus did not indicate for which Mariamme the tower was named for).
My husband is Lebanese (the Levant) he speaks the Arabic language of middle-east. He informs me, even today, to refer to someone having a "High Tower" indicates their personal prowess/power is greater than another. And variations of the word Mary, Miriam, Merriam, Marriamme are titles conferred to a "priestess" or learned women.
Thanks ❤️
The Chosen is a Mormon Production. It is like fan fiction where you take well known characters and make up new stories. Visually it is sunning. Robert Roberg
It appears to me that the Romans did unimaginable harm the famine aspect of Christianity. Just start with the Holy Spirit. In Latin spirit is male, in Greek its neuter, but to Christ spirit is female. Make since that a comforting portion of God should be female. I know my Mothers hug gave more comfort then anything else in my life.
thank you, so beautiful
Excellent and exciting research… bravo!☺️👨🎨🎨👍🎼🙏
I donated an entire United Methodist led Commentary set because of the erasure of the real name of Mary, Samson's mother. I do not miss the comentary at all.
I do not know if you would be interested but in doing family research. I came across the vineyard. Of Lazarus and Mary. Mary's have all been destroyed but Her brother Lazarus His vineyards Are still in working condition.
Spiritually speaking (gender aside), Matriarchal wisdom can begin with an understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God).
Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle.
As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritually matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8).
Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experiences associated with the transpersonal awakening process.
In spiritually matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary ego death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high cyclical awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld; her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle.
Mary Magdalene's anointing and wiping of Jesus's feet with her hair can then be seen as "Head to tail" (toe) imagery as she descends and "marries" her matriarchal head to his patriarchal feet, thus reenacting the understanding (natural descension process) of the divine cycle. (John 12, verse 3)
To carry the Ankh was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle.
Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society.
A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. czcams.com/video/J0m0zJSEFK0/video.html
"See all women as mothers, serve them as your mother. when you see the entire world as the mother, the ego falls away. See everything as Mother and you will know God." - Neem Karoli Baba
Brilliant
i love it
The Catholic Church have already acknowledged that Jesus loved her (Mary) hmmm...
Ms. Schrader, thanks for the excellent presentation. I look forward to reading your articles. I just have one comment or rather response to someone who criticized the portrayal of Mary Magdalene in the online series, The Chosen. Unlike the critic, I have viewed every episode of the series, and it offers a humanized and moving back story for every disciple, as well as a very believable portrayal of Jesus. As for their stance on Mary Magdalene, the directors and producers have correct information about her, and it can be viewed here: czcams.com/video/tdQ8HzV1Uc4/video.html
Please watch this and perhaps a couple of episodes before you brush aside this series. Thanks.
Mary is the incarnation of the Goddess. I highly doubt that the Chosen bothered to depict this.
Please send me a copy of your thesis.
I wonder why Lazarus is not considered as the beloved disciple? The Gospel of John even says Jesus loved him. Is it because he is not part of the twelve? If the Magdalen is the sister of Lazarus then Jesus healed the whole family. In fact, while Lazarus' resurrection is his main story, Mary's story only starts at her healing, but also explain why she did not doubt in the Resurrection of Christ.
If however, Lazarus is the beloved disciple then his story also starts with his healing. It explains why he wasn't in fear like the others and was at the cross. Also, Lazarus would have the money to care for the Mother of Christ were as his brothers would be martyred shortly after himself.
If the Paraclete came to you for assistance, would you help her?
🧑💻 There's definitely a glitch in the matrix. 🐈⬛
60 years later ? No one looked because it was going to be your job to do.
It is probably a result of attempts to de-gnostify John. The Pauline and Gnostic form of Christianity was more positive to women, and they give Mary a very central role.
I actually think that Gnosticism is closer to the original "Christianity", in the earlier form of Marcionism. That is closer to Paul. I think that if there was a Jesus his message was much more violent and revolutionary.
The first warning for the end times is not to call Jesus "The Christ" and Peter denied him with oaths and curses therefore he denied him before the FATHER
Mat_10:33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, SAYING, ‘I AM THE CHRIST,’ and they will lead many astray.
Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that THEY SHOULD TELL NO MAN THAT HE WAS JESUS THE CHRIST.
Mar 8:29 And he said to them, and you whom do you say me to be? And Peter answered saying to him YOU ARE THE CHRIST.
Mar 8:30 And HE REBUKED THEM that to no one they should tell concerning him.
Luk 9:20 Then he said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” And Peter answered, “THE CHRIST OF GOD.”
Luk 9:21 And HE STRICTLY CHARGED AND COMMANDED THEM TO TELL THIS TO NO ONE
What is the problem since this is a work of fiction? What do the problem with diminishing the role of women in something that did not happen?
LUKE 10.38 Martha received him into her house, 39 And she had a sister called Mary, also sat at JESUSs feet, and heard his word, 40. But Martha was cambered about much serving, and came to him, and said LORD, does thou not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Bid her Therefore that she help me, 41. And Jesus answered and said unto her. MARTHA, MARTHA,.. 42 MARY has chosen that good part, What about this. JESUS speaking LUKE 10.41. ♥️🇨🇦🕊🇨🇦♥️
Hi Donna! In Luke's Gospel, Martha and Mary have no brother. My argument is that Martha and Mary (in the north according to Luke) are a different family than Lazarus and Mary (in Bethany according to John). The theory is that someone who read the story you reference has edited John's Gospel to include Martha.
@@elizabethschrader3163 READ LUKE 10 38-42 Mary and Martha were sistersLazarus, the man raised from the dead, The THREE SIBLINGS were also close friends of Jesus. SIBLINGS...
@@elizabethschrader3163 why do they evil keep wanting to change GODS WORD.
@@elizabethschrader3163 read JOHN 11.1-44 certain man sick, 2........3......?
@@donnakeizer1468 I think you are mixing together the content of Luke 10 and John 11. In Luke's Gospel, Martha and Mary have no brother. My argument is that a second-century editor of John's Gospel added Martha to John 11 and 12. This makes the text appear as though Martha's sister Mary is the same person as Lazarus's sister Mary. Without Martha in the text of John, readers would more likely connect Lazarus' sister Mary with Mary Magdalene (due to her many similarities with the Mary of John 20). Hope that's clear.
Peter means rock he was a movable Rock.
Or maybe he just likes to ROCK! lol just kiddin
Please, Elizabeth, with the diligently study and effort you put into the study, stop using Easter! Maybe you should do a study on Easter. Growing in Christ. Keep up your diligent work.
Mary Magdalene came from money. Her family financed the ministry. Per my Dad ! 😊he’s 87. Love to all.
A woman as a provider. 🤔😏💅💁
Crazy women and their conspiracy theories
She has tracked the changes in the writings! We must examine what we find and interpret what we find. Bless you.
LOLz!
women are not crazy for looking for truth
This another extrapolation and speculation to connect Mary sister of Lazarus as Mary Magdalene, thus also make her the first Apostle of CHRIST. Absurd and cunning, and those itching ears who run with this false presentation and witness, to likewise unlearned others. Together, soon all of you shall be shipwrecked, as for it is written, "The blind leading the blind, soon they are going to fall into a ditch."
First of all, Greek language written manuscript cannot be translated to another language word to word. Translators can only in their own mother tongue express in their own words, what the Greek writer is trying to say. Therefore variation has taken place so that a translator excel better and clearer to express what the Greek writer is saying.
Nevertheless, in context to John ch.11 and elsewhere, basically Lazarus had sisters, more than one, therefore Martha eldest and Mary youngest. On the other hand, Mary Magdalene is another person who was delivered by the LORD, where seven demons had gone out from her. Apparently, both Mary are not the same person, but individual character in the Gospel.
For example, let's say for three years i taught, trained and prepared few chosen student of mine to become major players to run after me. Therefore, under circumstances we were separated for awhile, had some unfinished business to attend to. And upon returning back, happen to meet a follower out of others to our quest, who provided support out of one's means since.
Hence, telling that person to convey a message to my chosen students, to meet me again in so and so venue. Now, does that mean such an individual not chosen and groomed to such a major task, consider oneself equally competent to run? Mary Magdalene was sent by the LORD to convey a message to His disciples. Who are to meet Him at Galilee in order for Him to anoint them with the Apostolic ministry after Him.