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Komentáře • 228

  • @ismaeldiawara26
    @ismaeldiawara26 Před měsícem +56

    Actually I don't think moving to SSA is a ethically bad, in the long run it definitly will help the region become actually relevant in RLCS
    However staying at home and still stealing the spot is a sc**bag move

    • @quaffiea
      @quaffiea Před měsícem +8

      Bro your from ssa losing to teams on over a hundred ping. Thats on you

    • @blakxnz
      @blakxnz Před měsícem +14

      @@quaffieassa top players have no comp. they quite literally cant get any better. it’s not their fault😂

    • @trevorthomas6505
      @trevorthomas6505 Před měsícem +9

      Yeah I agree, if you wanna move and live somewhere and play RL that's just calling immigration and it's totally normal. Love the proof of residency idea, maybe even make them wait until 1 year of living there.
      Playing in a region you literally have never physically visited is the problem, now that's stealing spots

    • @Joshua-fs9vm
      @Joshua-fs9vm Před měsícem +1

      @@blakxnz oce players managed to improve despite severe lack of comp

    • @blakxnz
      @blakxnz Před měsícem +8

      @@Joshua-fs9vm they’ve been in the scene for way longer, and they’re still weaker than sam. your point has no relevance. oce has only improved bc they’ve been in the scene for so long.

  • @l.felipedlsn9176
    @l.felipedlsn9176 Před měsícem +188

    I guess this is modern colonization...

    • @alexmukets6769
      @alexmukets6769 Před měsícem +1

      gone too far

    • @SexMan4
      @SexMan4 Před měsícem

      true

    • @yuli2600
      @yuli2600 Před měsícem

      Well for one colonialism is constant and on going
      and for the other yes, a small part of it, however yes

    • @AustinIsOutdoors
      @AustinIsOutdoors Před měsícem

      @@Bran-ph4I just know you struggle to deal with irl interactions.

    • @markkurzweg7777
      @markkurzweg7777 Před měsícem

      @@Bran-ph4I’m sure that during the scramble for Africa the countries colonized by France and Britain agreed😂

  • @TarikF87
    @TarikF87 Před měsícem +141

    Even as an EU fan, this is not the way.
    Justice for SSA!

    • @muziekindevennep
      @muziekindevennep Před měsícem

      Justice for NA!

    • @jarredsmith1509
      @jarredsmith1509 Před měsícem +11

      Disagree, don’t make it a charity region where a clearly inferior SSA gets an auto qualification to each major, make it hard for them to qualify, like it’s hard for each NA and EU team.

    • @Me-eq3sg
      @Me-eq3sg Před měsícem +3

      I don't really have a problem with no ssa team at Lans. It does suck though that they are having their regional hijacked by other regions

    • @TarikF87
      @TarikF87 Před měsícem

      @@Me-eq3sg this is the vibe bro

    • @thediamonddolphin687
      @thediamonddolphin687 Před měsícem

      @@Me-eq3sgit does benefit them in the long term though. They will get better from harder competition

  • @VoidLantadd
    @VoidLantadd Před měsícem +8

    I think a balanced solution would be to only allow two imports on any given team. So if you're playing in SSA, your team must have at least one SSA player. This way, these teams can still come over and make the region more competitive, but the players from the region are not shut out from the top.
    An example of what this would look like is Elevate from last season when they had two imports (Virt from EU, Kamii from OCE), but were playing with a native APAC player in Realize. Nobody had an issue with that team like they have with the teams in SSA because the best player from APAC was still on the best team in APAC.

  • @No-we4ux
    @No-we4ux Před měsícem +33

    Feer absolutely dissing on these guys and I’m here for it 😂
    Also, I feel like if you had to show proof of residency for a couple years before being allowed to compete might help, could make it difficult for developed pros to move regions but something like that could be good

    • @tHEsTIQ
      @tHEsTIQ Před měsícem +5

      They should just make it so at least one player has lived there for a year. This would force sculbags to pick up regional talent and help the region grow and would allow moves like geng last season.

    • @No-we4ux
      @No-we4ux Před měsícem +2

      @@tHEsTIQ or maybe even 2? Or 1 and a coach or sum, idk but that doesn’t sound like a bad idea to me

    • @opliko
      @opliko Před měsícem

      Epic fired the guy that checks for proof of residency

  • @eliasrosas2310
    @eliasrosas2310 Před měsícem +112

    petition to throw tomatoes at this team when they walk out at major and boo them relentlessly
    edit:
    i saw a tweet on greybeards account where he was eating and talking with the new eu/ssa team. and from what i gathered- they moved to the region, they scrim the teams that are there, and are actually a part of the rlcs ssa ecosystem. the reason i had made this comment was because i assumed it was another YMC situation where they would just show up, no scrimming, take the money and spot and then leave; but i was wrong. i do think a YMC situation is inherently bad, but from my understanding this new team brings a lot more to the table and i actually think it benefits the region in some ways. so im sorry about just assuming the situation, but ill leave the comment up because i think this situation is even more of a grey area and can raise some really good discussion

    • @regansimpson3196
      @regansimpson3196 Před měsícem +24

      Bro you gotta come to terms with its literally allowed. They are doing it for money so stop knocking it. Throw a tantrum at epic for allowing it not at the players for literally keeping in the rules

    • @SpicyKumquat
      @SpicyKumquat Před měsícem +35

      @@regansimpson3196 If we bring multiple tomatoes we can throw them at epic and this team

    • @quaffiea
      @quaffiea Před měsícem +10

      You should be blaming epic not the players. The players are just proving why they deserve the spot more even at a disadvantage

    • @blakxnz
      @blakxnz Před měsícem +13

      @@regansimpson3196how about we blame both of them. it’s fucking pathetic to be stealing major spots from actual ssa players, especially considering ssa players MAKE MONEY FROM THESE GAMES.

    • @christombert5964
      @christombert5964 Před měsícem

      @@regansimpson3196 „they are doing it for money so it’s fine“🤡

  • @groos3449
    @groos3449 Před měsícem +20

    YMC crawled so Mobula could run

  • @GLENC0C0
    @GLENC0C0 Před měsícem +5

    Ive always wondered why OCE gets two slots for RLCS. They don't perform at all. One slot is enough for them imo. Give the extra slot to a more competitive region.

  • @verybored2416
    @verybored2416 Před měsícem +6

    You cant even blame the players, the rule change for regions was horrible, next season they need to outline actual regions/expand the region country list that 22/23 had. Their solution of making every region open bc some countries weren’t in any region is so dumb.

  • @cd-lucapalazzi6150
    @cd-lucapalazzi6150 Před měsícem +44

    That European team would probably struggle in SSL tournaments 💀

    • @swagie_
      @swagie_ Před měsícem +8

      nah those eu teams are all bubble players. they all make top 64 at the very least in eu, but ig they get more stonks in ssa

    • @slumpedimperial
      @slumpedimperial Před měsícem

      and they beat the ssa team so why is ssa guaranteed a spot in a major?

    • @cd-lucapalazzi6150
      @cd-lucapalazzi6150 Před měsícem +1

      @@slumpedimperial because they want to make the esport open to anybody, and i'm ok with that. The thing Is that EU has proved multiple times to be the best region by far and removing spots from there Will Just make the majors less competitive

    • @slumpedimperial
      @slumpedimperial Před měsícem +1

      @@cd-lucapalazzi6150 i understand that. but what i’m saying is that as of rn, ssa is not competitive at all. like feer said, the last major they went to they didn’t even win one game. and the eu players are bubble players. i understand wanting more regions to compete but ssa is not a competitive region rn so no, its not less competitive with another eu team yk

    • @cd-lucapalazzi6150
      @cd-lucapalazzi6150 Před měsícem

      @@slumpedimperial i think they did It because they want Ssa to close the gap asap

  • @xxmysticexpertxx113
    @xxmysticexpertxx113 Před měsícem +19

    still workshopping this idea.
    i think teams that are at least 2/3 SSA origin only should have the ability to qualify for a worlds spot, while imports from other countries can only qualify for majors or something and completely banned from representing them at worlds. this might remedy the situation only partially, but it's something. helps ensure that limitless can stay at the top of their actual region.

    • @xxmysticexpertxx113
      @xxmysticexpertxx113 Před měsícem +2

      ability to qualify for a worlds spot AND major spots*** crossed my mind a little bit because i doubt that they could make them anyways with this new competition

    • @xxmysticexpertxx113
      @xxmysticexpertxx113 Před měsícem +3

      and to account for issues involving players with specific rosters, they would have to stay for a certain number of years (maybe 3) in that region in order to unlock being able to qualify for the worlds spot. i think this would help competition play amongst each other for some time to give the worlds contention leaderboard over there fair-er play.

    • @kavanht6533
      @kavanht6533 Před měsícem +3

      I agree with your idea, but I also do wonder about the future of these minor regions as well. I think that main problem I see is region representation and competitiveness. Now this might be insane to say but here I go: I think that EU teams/players playing in minor regions is good for the competition in the long run as they add a new pool of talent to overcome and learn from. The issue are the servers, I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) there are any good central servers that both EU and SSA can or are willing to play to improve their skill like MENA did a few years ago. Although MENA is probably a outlier as the region is actually good, just didn't have access to more competition. For the representation however, I agree with what you are saying with the 2/3s policy and maybe the wildcard idea from last season would be good but I don't know too much about how it works

    • @xxmysticexpertxx113
      @xxmysticexpertxx113 Před měsícem

      @kavanht6533 Well, in my proposition, this would allow players above SSA in skill level (among many) to still compete for some sort of reward, qualifying for majors, but if they are a roster full of imports, they they obviously don't fulfill the 2/3rds rule meaning that they're automatically eliminated from the leader board when ending points are tallied up for the worlds spot. This would also likely cause interregional improvements (like mobula, for example) competing within the region and are a full import roster. Each individual would have to stay in SSA (physically as a majority of their time) for a select amount of time (in my ex., 3 years) to be able to represent the region for worlds, and the way that this would catalyze improvement is that Limitless get to have competition for 3 years from full import teams before they have the ability to take the world's spot away from them assuming limitless remain the pinnacle of SSA

    • @xxmysticexpertxx113
      @xxmysticexpertxx113 Před měsícem

      server idea is good as well

  • @Aquarobin
    @Aquarobin Před měsícem +1

    THANK YOU !!
    I was so desperate to see someone talk about this
    Therefore, despite my huge disagreement with such methods, I agree with the fact that SSA (and APAC as well to be honest) don't have yet what it takes to compete in the worlds
    Limitless had 9 games in worlds and lost every single one by far, and now EU teams with high ping that wouldn't even be top 48 in their own region are beating them
    So either a solution is found to help these regions to get better at the game, either their spot should be removed
    A 5th spot EU/NA or why not in a close future a 3rd spot MENA would set up the level again

  • @wailbenashur8728
    @wailbenashur8728 Před měsícem +3

    Honestly if you lose to a team with 150+ ping when you and your team have less then 50 ping, you don’t deserve to go to Major.

    • @skyr1myt718
      @skyr1myt718 Před měsícem +1

      Yea exactly, somewhere it is sad for the ssa region. But if you can’t beat guys with a 150 ping u don’t deserve it

  • @Fabul0us_RL
    @Fabul0us_RL Před měsícem +1

    FYI Team Mobula started the split with 0 points, so assuming they make major limitless are still going to worlds this season

  • @idlsh7436
    @idlsh7436 Před měsícem +1

    i think if they made it so that there needs to be at least 1 or 2 player in a team from the region to actually compete in it is kind of a fix to it. if not then at least the ssa players are gonna improve more by doing that imo

  • @Mass_peach
    @Mass_peach Před měsícem +3

    I can't blame them honestly I think it's the rlcs who is at fault since if you can make LAN by competing with a disadvantage and win then it's the rules fault

  • @PedroPascoaPedro
    @PedroPascoaPedro Před měsícem +5

    If EU wins, EU 5 should go

  • @rogersbackhand
    @rogersbackhand Před měsícem

    I wish there were longer crowd days at LANs because hell, I would have booed them real hard at the incoming London Major...

  • @coachjsu
    @coachjsu Před měsícem

    i need your xlr settings feer, that mic sounding niceeee. Love the video

    • @MadJack122
      @MadJack122 Před měsícem

      Decent mic + subtle EQ + heavy compression = that sound

    • @coachjsu
      @coachjsu Před měsícem

      @@MadJack122 what kind of compressor setting my man

  • @keelinbester7827
    @keelinbester7827 Před měsícem

    We SSA players are used to playing EU players once a day every time you play rank we come across players not from our region.

  • @aonoloki
    @aonoloki Před měsícem

    I was thinking you'd be speaking about Ekon's team getting disconnected/ddossed in the last EU quals

  • @cozminr
    @cozminr Před měsícem +1

    remember the situation with kamii and his "gf" rosekey? that was so funny and sad

  • @SimplyTiffany2009
    @SimplyTiffany2009 Před měsícem +1

    thats crazyy

  • @kamii9331
    @kamii9331 Před měsícem +1

    The most realistic negative outcome still has limitless going to worlds thankfully. If Limitless go out 5-8th every regional this split they will end at 76. with Team Mobula winning every regional they will end at 60 with the only chance of them making worlds being to get top 8 or better at the major. This aint happening

  • @ZergIsUnderpowered
    @ZergIsUnderpowered Před měsícem

    >Faceless conglomerate profit optimizing corporation institutes new rules and guidelines despised by all players causing many veterans to flat out dip
    >Risk taking creative innovative team uses the rules to their full potential
    >People lose their minds with vitriol and want to punish the team playing to win
    Use your First Principles instead of investing your energy into someone else's battle
    Side note SSA players aren't invalids who need an advantaged position, they're competitors in a skill based tournament.

  • @fknGandalf
    @fknGandalf Před měsícem +1

    If you can just rep any region you want, what is the point of regions in the first place

  • @lucasglanville2880
    @lucasglanville2880 Před měsícem +2

    Minor correction: You said Limitless probably won't make Worlds because Split 2 offers more points, but that's not true. They are very likely to be at Worlds, as they still picked up a lot of RLCS points last split which these new import teams don't have

    • @AustinIsOutdoors
      @AustinIsOutdoors Před měsícem

      Ok?

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +3

      A good point. The EU imports are probably only likely to steal the major spot not worlds

  • @crazyblaster8195
    @crazyblaster8195 Před měsícem

    If they move.. i do think its fair. It ofc happens in NA so why not

  • @ITS273
    @ITS273 Před měsícem

    Maybe they should to international qualifiers for rlcs instead of every region doing it on their own. In that way every team gets mixed and the compitition is fair.

  • @OT3S
    @OT3S Před měsícem

    Its an RLCS qualifier, not a pity party. The better team should take the spot no matter what.

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +1

      OXG is better than Mobula by a looong shot.
      By your logic we should just take SSA's spot away completely.
      Which is basically the angle I was saying, put SSA back in a wildcard of some kind.

  • @icedglizzy1403
    @icedglizzy1403 Před měsícem

    So basically Virtuoso moves to APAC to get easier Major chances; people start complaining about this.
    Rlcs: makes it EASIER for things like this to happen.

  • @JaysOnTheMoon
    @JaysOnTheMoon Před měsícem +1

    This sucks to see. I want SSA to be able to grow and compete with other regions but not like this. At the very least, a 1/3s rule should be implemented, so that if two players enter from another region come in, they have to pick up an SSA player. Then, you can get kinda a Gen. G situation, where that player gets guidance and mentorship from some more veteran/better players. That would help grow the region's talent somewhat.

  • @alexmukets6769
    @alexmukets6769 Před měsícem

    Yes we have see the result with OCE. Representation but no competition.

  • @i-am-mercurial
    @i-am-mercurial Před měsícem

    Didn't ymc go out there to compete

  • @TheZarky
    @TheZarky Před měsícem

    they should make it a requirement to show an SSA national ID of one of the countries to participate in SSA and any other region. I'm against any team in any region going to another region and playing. it just skews the data...

  • @sabnox9869
    @sabnox9869 Před měsícem

    EU should have 5 teams for major, NA should have 4, SAM should have 2, OCE should have 1 and MENA should have 2 maybe 3 because it's finally starting to find some depth as a region..

  • @nomad4211
    @nomad4211 Před měsícem +2

    I don't hate teams that move there to play. It's the ones playing from other regions that get my goat

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +8

      Just to be clear I dont hate any of the teams, they are all doing what makes the most sense within the rules to make majors.
      Its the rules that have to improve to fix the problem

  • @ryanpatton1795
    @ryanpatton1795 Před měsícem +1

    While this is not what the RLCS enjoyers wanted, trashing on the EU teams that decided to shoot their best shot in another region within the newly instated rules is poor.

    • @darktimes4349
      @darktimes4349 Před měsícem +1

      But if EU players move to NA to have better chances and dominate them - no issues there. That goes for buying whole teams as well.

  • @Nip403
    @Nip403 Před měsícem

    What the hell even is sportsmanship these days

  • @dianadya2075
    @dianadya2075 Před měsícem

    If first SSA team lose to some 30th EU spot even with ping advantage then it clearly shows SSA doesnt deserve that spot and there are a lot of better teams in other regions who are left out

    • @darktimes4349
      @darktimes4349 Před měsícem

      The same goes for EU and NA having the same number of spots in worlds or majors - which is hilarious and unbelievably unfair. But it involves NA so everybody like a massive asshole keeps their mouth shut.

  • @anassright5342
    @anassright5342 Před měsícem

    I have an idea. WE NEED A PING LIMIT. 120/130 PING.any more isnt allowed

  • @Spartan1853
    @Spartan1853 Před měsícem

    What do you expect when you try to promote equity instead of merit? Merit is king 🤴

  • @acct5910
    @acct5910 Před měsícem +4

    I agree that the solution should be to send SSA back to Wildcard, and give EU the spot back.

    • @KirbyRL
      @KirbyRL Před měsícem

      @@edgeribblethat just wont work, they need more spots for both NA and EU and more spots for major overall.

  • @daanw6270
    @daanw6270 Před měsícem

    Although I don't like this and would prefer to see an SSA team at LAN, I don't blame the boys from EU for doing it. Also, seeing SSA go 0-9 every LAN event isn't all that fun anyway.

  • @5-iwnl-596
    @5-iwnl-596 Před měsícem

    Not gonna lie I don’t like it but it’s essentially a skill issue if they were truly deserving of a major spot they’d be able to defend it from Eu #20. But at the same time it ruins the entire idea of having diversity in RLCS by including more regions.
    Like I don’t think SSG should have missed out on Major 1 so we can have Rule One, Elevate, Pwr, or Limitless. Considering all those teams just got stomped anyway

    • @key0fhype
      @key0fhype Před měsícem

      SSG would've went 1-3 or 2-3

    • @5-iwnl-596
      @5-iwnl-596 Před měsícem

      @@key0fhype better than the teams I mentioned even with that extremely disrespectful 1-3

  • @ryanlunzen9794
    @ryanlunzen9794 Před měsícem +1

    That happens when you give EU so few spots.
    In CSGO EU gets way more spots because NA sucks.
    Should be more like:
    EU: 6
    NA: 3
    SAM: 2
    MENA: 2
    And rest idc.

  • @jaredb8422
    @jaredb8422 Před měsícem

    I support region hopping

  • @dnaku-hs6zp
    @dnaku-hs6zp Před měsícem

    yall need to chill, dont hate the player, hate the game!

  • @meghnaaaad
    @meghnaaaad Před měsícem +2

    The problem is that psyonix made a mistake introducing SSA in the first place. The region simply doesn't have enough players who even play the game, it's just one country and the interest for the game in south africa is basically non existent. This is very different from APAC which has a much larger playerbase from many different countries and has much greater future potential. I would have much preferred EU or SAM be given another major spot instead, but of course once they have been added there is no going back anymore. And now we are stuck with this.

  • @thekraken4265
    @thekraken4265 Před měsícem

    i dont really understand the issue with what these players are/were doing, for example throwing so you get an easier bracket or playing in a region you are not from. Just change the rules bro

  • @Lynix27
    @Lynix27 Před měsícem

    EU and NA should have 5 spots each in my opinion

  • @ibrahimabdou1489
    @ibrahimabdou1489 Před měsícem

    if they can go and beat them on 200 ping then its fair..

  • @guryurfur528
    @guryurfur528 Před měsícem +1

    just kind of frustrating to witness

  • @PedroPascoaPedro
    @PedroPascoaPedro Před měsícem

    2 majors have wildcard, worlds is locked to the top 16 teams in points. Solved

  • @Blakeboat
    @Blakeboat Před měsícem

    surely you have to show proof? like you had to have been in SSA for 5 years? that would dim so many EU teams as they arent SSA and/or dont have the proof

  • @rip_kaiza283
    @rip_kaiza283 Před měsícem

    Personally i dont mind giving SSA so.e real competition. It could develop their abilties and cause better players to come out of the region. And watching limitless lose all the time is objectively boring

  • @Ivan-rp8lj
    @Ivan-rp8lj Před měsícem

    if you lose to low tier bubble players on 180 ping you definely do not deserve a major spot.

  • @yuli2600
    @yuli2600 Před měsícem

    Alr
    my two cents are, month ban from all rocket League competition
    if you cant prove residency, get of my lawn
    The region is struggling as is and so more established regions coming in and stealing major spots, is big stupid, like ay if they wanna play in the regionals sure, just not to the majors, should be reserved for resident teams
    Also I feel so weird avoiding the topic to not step on anybody's toes, but like, this is also jusf filled with racsim, either blatant or over colonialist means, as the financial situation of africa is bad

  • @T6e6r6o
    @T6e6r6o Před měsícem +8

    Keep the spots for majors as they are right now. SSA needs as much exposure to majors as it can get if we want it to improve.
    Meanwhile, introduce a new RLCS rule that forces teams to have at least 2/3rds of the roster have citizenship in the region they compete in.
    Yes, that would make last season's GenG, Furia and Complexity rosters ineligible to compete in NA. It would also make the current roster of M80 ineligible. I still believe it's the best solution.

    • @danply4700
      @danply4700 Před měsícem

      I think m8 is fine?

    • @regansimpson3196
      @regansimpson3196 Před měsícem

      ​@@danply4700only aj is from NA

    • @christombert5964
      @christombert5964 Před měsícem

      So true

    • @blackfouine6489
      @blackfouine6489 Před měsícem +1

      A team that isn't even top 16 in EU can beat the best SSA team with ping.. Maybe EU deserve the spot more than SSA?

    • @T6e6r6o
      @T6e6r6o Před měsícem +1

      @@blackfouine6489 By the same logic, EU teams outside the top 4 can yoink both OCE spots, the APAC spot, and probably even MENA's and SAM's #2 spots at the moment. Is this the kind of RLCS major you want to see?

  • @darktimes4349
    @darktimes4349 Před měsícem

    EU 6 Teams
    NA 4 Teams
    This should be the norm, and it is unbelievable nobody talks about this. How in the world can people be this biased is beyond comprehension.

  • @dantakeoff
    @dantakeoff Před měsícem +1

    Its a well established fact that in any sports, bringing in foreign talent from better regions strengthens your own pool, for example rugby and football. These guys are doing us a favour, playing here. If we wanna compete we have to get better, end of story...

    • @tubax926
      @tubax926 Před měsícem +1

      that's a very interesting way of looking at it. Makes a lot of sense too.

    • @blakxnz
      @blakxnz Před měsícem +1

      they should have to MOVE there to play though. playing from home is super shitty.

    • @AustinIsOutdoors
      @AustinIsOutdoors Před měsícem +1

      Horrible analogy considering that’s a physical game. I understand why you may struggle to comprehend this though.

  • @carl1.0
    @carl1.0 Před měsícem +2

    EU's just way ahead of the game, so when it comes to LAN events, it's practically an EU show. Psyonix tries to balance it out by giving NA teams the same number of spots, but let's face it, it's mostly about the money and popularity. Even if NA's not as strong, it still pulls in the cash.
    Can't blame EU teams for looking elsewhere with the region stacked like that. Regional RL only has one big league, no minor league beneath and few spots, so it's tough in EU if you want to be a pro and earn money. Can't blame them to seek elsewhere.
    Some say we should base spots on past LAN performance i agree, but with EU dominating, that'd just mean even more EU spots and less NA. That'd throw the whole esports scene out of whack. Bottom line? NA's kinda pay-to-win and the obsession with keeping it on top messes with how spots are earned and deserved.

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +3

      NA is far from the problem child.
      There are many more spots on the chopping block before NA4.

    • @carl1.0
      @carl1.0 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@Feer Big bro, right now OCE2 and NA4 are the least deserved spots in the scene!
      You say yourself in your vid "we should move back to a more merite based way to give spots". Sorry but when NA gets as many spots as EU, despite EU having 10 top 4 teams in the last three LANs compared to NA's 1 (as much as MENA including when MENA had 1 spot), it's hard to see what kind of merit-based system you are looking for here.
      NA's situation is just a symptom of how Psyonix handles things, but also probably the reason why they keep doing this. Until spots are allocated based on real merit, we're going to keep running into these problems.

    • @enceofthewind4145
      @enceofthewind4145 Před měsícem +1

      @@carl1.0NA 4 was pretty competitive with SAM 2 no? And if you went to SAM 3, MENA 3, and OCE 2, all those teams probably lose to NA4.
      I get your point but NA4 isn’t as weak as you say it is. It’s just that EU depth is superior.

    • @carl1.0
      @carl1.0 Před měsícem +1

      @@enceofthewind4145 Well Luminosity and OG combined only won against SSA and NA during the major... Luminosity losing to Complexity and Furia btw, so SAM1 and 2.
      NA3 and 4 aren't as good as people think.
      "And if you went to SAM 3, MENA 3, and OCE 2, all those teams probably lose to NA4." not sure about that. Not saying these teams would clap NA4 but definitely at the same level at least (not OCE tho).

  • @mayradelamoralesvalle8465
    @mayradelamoralesvalle8465 Před měsícem

    Eu is better then na or eu is better

  • @warlock_r
    @warlock_r Před měsícem +1

    I don't understand how some people are even entertaining the idea of giving back the spots to NA & EU. We need those spots to get as much exposure to stronger regions otherwise why even bother with the Worlds spot.

  • @Monsolido
    @Monsolido Před měsícem +8

    Revezy playing for a SSA spot is disgraceful

    • @ThyHelix
      @ThyHelix Před měsícem +1

      Pulse crypto too

  • @ZannyBeatz
    @ZannyBeatz Před měsícem +1

    they are too bad for their own region ig

  • @beanstheorem8727
    @beanstheorem8727 Před měsícem +1

    It’s a sad truth, but If we were to pick the top 16 teams worldwide, there would probably be 1 MENA, 4 NA, 2,SAM, and 9 EU. The reason we have worldwide coverage is not to showcase regions, but to find the best of those regions and have an event to show who’s the best there.
    Due to geography and how the game is played in relation to ping, if you don’t have a large player base or you’re isolated worldwide, you can’t compete. For this esport, Europe having a bunch of high-population, developed nations surrounding each other, with no major landmarks (oceans or mountain ranges) between them to stop competition between players. You’re not going to have a top Russian, Indian or South African team seriously compete in the next decade, they’re too far behind.
    So the decision here is, do we think Rocket Leda he can grow for another decade, or do we think we can’t grow anymore? Because if we plan to grow, and that’s the message, I’m all for everyone competing. However, it’s a little dishonest to attack the EU players competing somewhere else if we allow server hopping play for the niche cases, and then take away spots from more deserving regions.

    • @AustinIsOutdoors
      @AustinIsOutdoors Před měsícem

      Mind naming the 9 EU teams?

    • @beanstheorem8727
      @beanstheorem8727 Před měsícem +1

      Team three, magnifico, oxygen, top, cougars, moist, as EU likes to throw all their teams into a blender every single season, I cannot tell you the current state of it, but that was never the point. You can’t tell me these five teams on top of the current for French folks we sent Don’t pose a bigger threat than the two Australians, the sub-Saharan African, the oceanics. again, it’s not about EU supremacy, it’s the difference between sending the best versus sending worldwide. It might be EU seven NA six, it might be EU 10 and a three. But, the question is are we satisfied with our reach, and now we can start looking for the best teams, or should we keep on reaching more, trying to reach other areas, like Russia or India to try and cultivate the best and so neglect, a Pier meritocracy, for regional meritocracy, and then have them fight it out from there? I am not rocket league, God, and I don’t know who are the top sxteeni teams at any given time. I just see that the EU five and six, and the NA five would smash the Oceanics, and M you pushing hypotheticals to see what direction would make sense to push the espirt.

    • @AustinIsOutdoors
      @AustinIsOutdoors Před měsícem

      @@beanstheorem8727 Yeah tbh I’m not reading all that. I was just curious in the teams you were thinking of.

  • @starinthesky8134
    @starinthesky8134 Před měsícem +1

    This is just so sad… how do these eu teams have so little respect for a region, just crashing it like that is so fked

  • @sabnox9869
    @sabnox9869 Před měsícem

    Honestly, remove the SSA spot, give it to EU. EU deserve more than 4 spots..

  • @OldBadGamer614
    @OldBadGamer614 Před měsícem

    For me, this is no different than what happens in major sports, you poach the best players from wherever you can and try to win, I don't think it's what people want to see, but if you think about it, by having to play against these teams and get better to compete, this will in time make all SSA players better and eventually they'll become more competitive and start working their way back to taking their league back. Once they get better and start winning again, the EU teams will leave and not wanna come back if they know they can't compete. It's like smurfs in ranked, sure it sucks and they should probably be dealt with but Everytime I play against smurfs I get a little better, a little faster, and I learn a decent amount from playing against them in the bigger picture even though I give them ish the whole time in chat and get railed without protection, I find myself seeing things they did to me and start implementing those things into my own play and I get a little better each time.

  • @JitsKamps
    @JitsKamps Před měsícem +1

    I will play devil's advocate here. This will improve SSA more. SSA teams get more exposure to high level gameplay because of this. Does it suck? Absolutely.

    • @tubax926
      @tubax926 Před měsícem +2

      True. If they can't beat EU Teams with 150+ ping what are they even doing

    • @vaibhavchavan4691
      @vaibhavchavan4691 Před měsícem

      So do you think a diamond player will improve more if he only plays against ssl than champ player?

    • @JitsKamps
      @JitsKamps Před měsícem

      @@vaibhavchavan4691 the difference isn’t that high between SSA and bubble EU. It is probably more like high diamond vs high champ.

  • @zero_nochi6881
    @zero_nochi6881 Před měsícem +1

    This rule change is horrific, and the EU players doing this just have no respect so dont deserve any. Just sad a new region basically cant compete as a region let alone at majors now

  • @solo_wing_pixy_fan7367
    @solo_wing_pixy_fan7367 Před měsícem +1

    having eu teams on SSA is actually good for SSA for the long term. A big reason for MENA being good is they have exposure to high level EU gameplay. Similarly much exposure to EU teams for SSA should be a good thing. and why should Limitless go to majors, do they deserve it? bro they cant even beat a europe garbage team with 200 ping.

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +6

      I think they need access to EU ranked to do that not the occasional EU team crushing them.
      If you are going to take SSA's spot away it should be given to the next best team, EU #5.
      Not EU #20.
      Or let SSA keep their spot for the sake of representation which is also a fine angle.

    • @solo_wing_pixy_fan7367
      @solo_wing_pixy_fan7367 Před měsícem +2

      @@Feer but in this way the SSA teams many SSA teams are getting at least more experience. with 6 regionals they are 4 EU teams playing with many local SSa teams. So, more teams are getting more experience rather than getting only having 1 team in lans to get absolutely smacked. And in my personal opinion they will learn better playing these EU #20 team than playing against vatira. Yes for now the LAN quality would be devalued due to EU #20 competing. But in the long term it will make SSa more competitive.

    • @jaysteveo9632
      @jaysteveo9632 Před měsícem

      Only way the EU teams "help" SSA is if they actually move to the region for entire splits and grind SSA ranked and scrim SSA teams. For all we know these EU teams might not scrim any SSA teams and are just there to try steal that major spot just to maybe beat an OCE or APAC team then go home.

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +2

      @solo_wing_pixy_fan7367 maybe I'm just a skeptic but I think this whole "they're helping them improve" angle is way overplayed.
      I don't think they're helping as much as people like to imply

    • @vaibhavchavan4691
      @vaibhavchavan4691 Před měsícem

      So according to your logic a diamond player will improve more by only playing against ssl than playing against other diamonds and champs. Because EU teams are coming to SSA, SSA teams are not getting any money. And without money why would they compete. Do you in future want that all the regions should have only EU players even though these players never visited that region?

  • @muziekindevennep
    @muziekindevennep Před měsícem +2

    NA has had this problem for a long time now. Weaker EU and SAM players go to NA to take their spot because its easier. 😂

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +5

      hmm its less of an issue because NA is easier sure, but the teams that make it to major even if they are transfers are Major quality. OXG could come to NA and likely make major much easier, but they are still a great team.
      Mobula and these other EU teams probably couldn't qualify anywhere but SSA and that's the issue. Now we are just letting in teams that aren't Major quality for no reason, whereas when Limitless goes we at least get more world representation

    • @jarredsmith1509
      @jarredsmith1509 Před měsícem +3

      Just like Stizzy (Was the best player on a 5-8 EU team) came over and couldn’t even make a regional with an NA team that had a top 4 regional last split. And also there has never been weaker SAM players that came to NA, they were always the best SAM players.

    • @muziekindevennep
      @muziekindevennep Před měsícem

      You are totally right Feer. I was just trolling a little. Furia, complexity and GenG did also great in their own regions. What about the APAC situation last year. It had also a mixed team with only 1 resident player.

    • @timothefaby8445
      @timothefaby8445 Před měsícem

      @@jarredsmith1509 It's just the first event for stizzy with spacestation, this format don't let any room for mistakes (shopify rebellion and moist both missed an event last split) and he is the exception. Noly/Jack/Joreuz/Nass/crr were not so good or inconsistent in EU but they manage to top NA. I agree on the SAM part though

    • @jarredsmith1509
      @jarredsmith1509 Před měsícem +1

      @@timothefaby8445 Joreuz and Nass have had zero top 4 finishes in 4 regionals, they’d be doing the same thing in Europe right now. Jack and Noly went on to dominate EU in a major, it was likely the teams that they were a part of before that was causing inconsistency in EU.

  • @fotisrl
    @fotisrl Před měsícem +2

    2die4 is like gc3. How can a gc be in a major…

    • @alexmukets6769
      @alexmukets6769 Před měsícem

      Maybe it's GC region

    • @potatotomato7750
      @potatotomato7750 Před měsícem +2

      2die4 is literally ssa's best player and has been for a while, and when he has been to lans and played on na/eu servers he's been high ssl and im pretty sure even reached top 100.

    • @emohippie21
      @emohippie21 Před měsícem +2

      Not enough mmr to go around in such a low populated region. Oce has the same problem. They would be ssl in other regions.

    • @fotisrl
      @fotisrl Před měsícem

      @@potatotomato7750then how did I win against him in a 2s lobby and he was 1700…

  • @a9yle
    @a9yle Před měsícem

    First

  • @ulbss8892
    @ulbss8892 Před měsícem

    first

  • @nikolakostic5667
    @nikolakostic5667 Před měsícem

    Good.. F*ck these idiotic rules. It should be best players who make it, regardless of the region

    • @Feer
      @Feer  Před měsícem +4

      What do you mean good? You want the best players to make it, that is not the EU teams who are winning in SSA. The EU players may be better than the SSA players, sure. But they would lose to EU #5-16 so they are definitely not the best players

    • @nikolakostic5667
      @nikolakostic5667 Před měsícem

      @@Feer I think I agree with you, I just didn't clarify it. Of course I would prefer to watch the 5th team in EU over the 20th, but if the 20th team in EU is still better than the best in SSA, I'd prefer to watch them. And nobody is stopping the #5-16 teams from doing the same. It will (and should) be a circus until it's fixed.
      Wild card is the solution. It is absolutely insane how RL/Epic already had a good setup, but they keep trying to "reinvent the wheel" and usually mess things up for absolutely no reason.

    • @AustinIsOutdoors
      @AustinIsOutdoors Před měsícem

      @@Bran-ph4Great job restating what Feer said. Maybe use a little comprehension next time.

  • @Dragonb_29
    @Dragonb_29 Před měsícem

    Only 540 views in 20 mins, bro fell off 😢

  • @JohnnySaltine
    @JohnnySaltine Před měsícem +4

    A European team trotting over and colonizing African regions. Color me shocked

    • @SA80TAGE
      @SA80TAGE Před měsícem +2

      how you think America got built in the first place, Unicorn farts and dreams?

    • @muziekindevennep
      @muziekindevennep Před měsícem +1

      We did the same in NA

    • @Shapiritito
      @Shapiritito Před měsícem

      ​​@@SA80TAGE was built on slavery lol. Just cause something worked once doesn't mean we should allow it to be done again

    • @AustinIsOutdoors
      @AustinIsOutdoors Před měsícem

      I love how people say stuff like this and at the same time are ignorant to how brutal are colonizing Indians were to each other.

  • @finnakkai7814
    @finnakkai7814 Před měsícem

    Honestly? Taking away a spot from eu and giving it to a region that cant even fucking compete internationally MUCH LESS in their own fucking region against players with 300 ping that are invading the region qualifiers just proves that they should be wildcard and not taking a spot from eu. Sorry but id rather watch eu teams with actual skill duke it out then have a spot with a team who gets shit on every game the moment they come up against an eu team. Its pointless. Its boring.

  • @channeltv4108
    @channeltv4108 Před měsícem +6

    no views in 32 seconds bro fell off