The best rookie duo this century
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- čas přidán 11. 04. 2024
- When was the last time two rookies were this good? Victory Wembanyama and Chet Holmgren are incredibly versatile 7-footers forging a new archetype, dominating on defense with guard skills on offense. This detailed film breakdown & scouting report explores their roles this year, their big areas of improvement, and their massive and unique defensive impact as first year players.
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Putting these two randoms over Bennett/Oladipo is a disgrace. Unsubscribed.
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bro are u stupid? Benett was worse than ben simmons wtf
how about James Wiseman and Kilian Hayes 🔥🔥🔥
*Instantly. How dare he?*
@@augustosarmentodeoliveira3023 We had a whole section on Wiseman/Hayes that we had to cut for time.
Wemby is so good that it makes people forget about Chet, who’s one of the best rookies we’ve had in a long time. Glad to see both of them getting the attention they deserve
I agree that Chet is also having a historic rookie season, and people don't give him the credit he deserves because they are obsessing over Wemby. I know Wemby had a much better season is a great player I just wish more people would respect chet. He is on a team ready to go to finals IDK if they will make it this year but they are good enough. Chet still avg 16 a night when he has to share the court with shai, j dub giddy dort, and the rest of OKCs stacked bench.
If it were not for Wembanyama, Holmgren would be the best rookie since Duncan.
Chet is average.
@@FacePlant1324people are favoring Wemby because theyre mostly know-nothings that simply repeat hype machine BS.
These are the same people who said Lonzo Ball was a better Jason Kidd and/or Zion was LBJ 2.0.
When everything is considered and applied, its pretty clear Chet is the guy who should get ROTY.
I wonder if the media will keep talking about the Spurs when the playoffs come around in a few days...
I'm a Wembanyama fan, but if I keep hearing about the 20 win Spurs while the playoffs are going on, I might just throw my TV out the window... I want to hear about the Timberwolves and Nuggets or even the Pelicans.
I'm not interested in the East though... I just assume Boston will be in the finals and probably beat Minnesota or Denver.
I think it's super fun that they're also two of the best options for defending each other in the league. Unlike some recent pairs of superstars, it actually makes sense to have them on each other during every OKC/SA matchup. This is gonna be so, so wild to watch!
Well said. Barring injury or lack of interest, these two will surely be all time greats. There is a good chance they both will be multi time champions as well. I hope it's a rivalry for the ages.
Chet is not even better than Brandon Miller
@@KeaKeith u watched interviews bro? both these mfers competitive asf aint no ben simmons syndrome here lmao
@@kierancusack7774 If that is what passes for writing these days, I need to go back to school. I have no idea what you just said. Do you?
@@KeaKeith Have you happened to view any interviews given by either of these players? They are both individually very competitive in nature and I strongly doubt that there will be a similar situation to what happened with ben simmons.
MJ and Hakeem thats some tough competition.
This century my guy. But agreed
Both scrubs. LeGoat better in every way possible.
@@kyleshuler2929Nice bait lol
@@vko7059 its not bait. most modern era fans think lebron is the goat.
@@johnmarkson1998 you’ve been fooled by your echo chamber.
What impresses me about Wemby is when he achieve a stat line similar to MJ, I think, then he said "I bet they did it in a winning effort" there you can tell his competitive genes is natural
Yea, he has said all the right things but not in a boring way. In a way that shows his drive and hatred of losing. They are both really competitive it seems, and I hope that they can keep it intense without actually hating each other. It’s gotta be annoying to have everything you do compared to one other guy. Look forward to seeing them in the WCF sometime soon
If the NBA can find enough 7 footers with this type of coordination and athleticism to create an archetype, I'll be impressed.
alex sarr this draft definitely in a similar mold. probably the worst prospect of the 3 but wemby and chet are tough competition
There's only about 2800 people 7 foot or taller on earth.
Honestly it’s already an archetype, albeit a rare one. I would put Durant, Porzingis, Wemby, and Chet in the archetype.
@@sgrey9181 Part of the archetype involves being an elite defender though. It's really just the 2.
@@chrisbarnett5303 wow. so 1% could reasonably turn out like these two. just 28 people on earth right now... so of the right age? yeh this ain't happening very often hahaha
thank you. this is how the weby/chet conversations should go. they are both phenomenal. we dont have to talk about how one is "trash" and the other is amazing. both are insane
Well said! They are just a joy to watch, and something no one saw coming! We as basketball fans really won on this one. But all that said, Wemby will come out on top! Go Spurs Go!
Wemby is just a lot better and that’s fine.
Perhaps the most fascinating thing with Wemby is how strong his pullup 3 shooting is compared to catch and shoot, he's 123-382 from 3 overall for the season (32.2%) but 61-161 on pullup 3's (37.9%) It's not exactly high volume by any means but it looks like a positive indicator for his shooting potential.
I don't know that he will ever be an effective 3pt shooter (average 3pt% for nba players). But this is interesting that he is about average on pull ups.
@@ShunkUp this comment will age like fine, fine, milk!
@@145rural I like the guy, so I hope the comment does get stinky in time, and I agree there is a decent chance. I am a stats and physics guy (to a fault) there are some who came into NBA shooting poorly (43%) and became a good 3 point threat (usually it involves less threes), but I fear his problem is the Shaq free-throw issue, where it's not just practice, there are anatomical trade-offs to having an 8 ft wingspan or weighing 370 pounds. Once the team is win oriented, they won't let him experiment on shots that hurt the winning percentage by taking a good look from a better shooter on his own team. Same issue with Giannis where his best year longball was his first year, then he learned he was effective in transition and his FG% went up and up and up, as 3 pt dropped
ft% is a decent indicator as well, not with everyone ofc but it could point to improvement from behind the line in the future. I think he tops out between 35-37% from behind the line. More than good enough to garner the respect from the defense that’ll allow him to leverage his other tools
@@ShunkUpyeah bro but one thing you didn’t take into account was you don’t know ball and you aren’t coach pop it’s funny you think you know how this offense will look in the next couple years dude just finished one season and you’re already trynna handicap him smh get your life together lil bro and maybe get a muzzle for that face anus.
I love that they absolutely get personal everytime they play each other!
Chet seems like he doesn't care, Wemby trash talked him couple of times tho.
@@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381chet cares but he knows he can't beat wemby individually..
Look man…nothing personal, but it’s personal.
I think it is Chet is smart and humble enough to know getting into a one on one battle is a disadvantage to his team. Why would he do that when that decreases the team's performance. Wemby can do that all the time because he isnt playing for anything since his team sucks.
Wemby takes it personally, Chet never strays from the gameplan and playing in the Thunders system. I love both their games, just wish Chet would take a page from Wemby sometimes and say fuck it, I'm taking over in this game instead of just playing within their offense every single game. Need some of that aggression he showed against the Warriors
I can’t wait to see Chet in the playoffs and eventually wemby
Wemby will never make the playoffs
why're you excited to see a role player
@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381be quiet, you more on
@@luigidabest4743cause it's good entertainment? Any thunder game is so entertaining partly because of their good role players.
Wonder how Chet will respond to team gameplans in the playoffs.
It’s crazy, some rivalries feel like destiny. Like there is no other way besides magic vs bird, wemby vs Chet, etc
how can you even compare Wemby to Chet, it's completely different level of play
just have to hope and pray these two stay healthy and we’ll surely have some never before seen displays of skill on the court in the near future
always so revealing and insightful.
Thanks John!
Bol Bol has the same physical type as Chet, even taller and more muscular but he can't put those natural gifts to use on the court. It's not just taking bigs and telling them to do this high IQ shots, they need to have an high IQ, discipline and sport intelligence.
Doesn't help that bolbol isn't getting the same game time and touches as Chet to be fair. Not to say he would be able to match Chet's output, but the disparity probably wouldn't be that immense.
@@Enthusiast230 he got touches last year, and just wasn't that good. hes looked pretty good in limited time on the suns, but hes 25 and just very inconsistent
OKC had Aleksej Pokuševski who was basically Chet Holmgren without the decision making ability... and he was basically useless to the Thunder.
When they got Chet instead he was instantly able to be plugged into the starting lineup and within the second month of the season he was already a big piece in OKC beating the Nuggets, Celtics, and Timberwolves.
So the competitive drive and decision making ability was basically everything. The difference between being a G-league player with 'potential' and being trusted enough by your coach to be taking the shots when there is 2 minutes left on the clock and the Nuggets are leading the Thunder by 2 points.
Bro bol bol has been in the league for like 5 years and on 3 different teams. I'm pretty sure these teams know that he cannot contribute but guys swear he isn't getting opportunity. All he needs to do is stop trying to score and play some darn defense but that's too much to ask.
@@dasupremegentlelad4321 Exactly, excuses have to stop to explain why he isn't as productive, he's just not as good in many ways.
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I go with what Damien Woody of ESPN said about Wemby and Chet after a game they played: You’ve got 2 aliens nailing crossovers and step back 3’s. An NFL comparison to these 2 would be a 7 foot WR who runs like Tyreek Hill. Or a 325 pound LB who can go sideline to sideline like Ray Lewis. Chet and Wemby should be fun to watch for the next 12-15 years.
Except Physical freaks in terms of length and speed are natural in basketball, same with football, but more so with basketball. It would more be like a Calvin Johnson having Tyreeks Speed.
@@cannonschwarz9554to be fair, Calvin Johnson wasn’t that far off from tyreek hill in terms of top speed. It’s really tyreek’s acceleration that sets him above everyone else, but I get what you’re saying.
I’m happy this video exsist, to many ppl tryna put these dudes against one another, to praise one of these 2 usually the other one is getting put down
It's funny how often I've heard that Chet and Victor are what the NBA is going to look like going forward. I mean, yeah, if you can find 7 foot tall hyper skilled athletes, you should probably sign them. But it's not like all the previous 7 foot defensive monsters with guard skills were just getting shut out of the NBA for no reason. It's that there weren't any, and there aren't likely to be many more. The future of the NBA looks a lot more like Anthony Edwards and Jalen Green than it does a sea of 7 foot Kyries or slick shooting Kareems.
Aaaand they are both in the west. And so are ja, zion, luka, jdub, shai, antman, sengun... The disparity between conferences is only going to get worse.
yeah man, mobly, haliburton, tatum, paolo, wagner, brown etc are also just hitting or well younger than their primes so idk what you mean. the only reason the west had better finals success recently is due to kd being on the warriors
West clears imo, not only young guys, west has been packed for years, incredibly competitive
And the west had the spurs and Houston which cleared all of LeBrons final competition
@@ianslee4765also Luka and shai and arguably wemby are better than all of them there
@@ianslee4765 exactly, the 8 through 10 seeds would be a top 5 seeds in the east and that assuming they even still play the western comp more than east
I AM IN LOVE WITH BEN TAYLOR (not the referee)
Alright Chet & Wemby stans here’s an idea! Let’s support both guys, they’re awesome.
Agreed. I love what both do, as an OKC fan. I think it will be a rivalry for years, but I love how trailblazing these guys are. My brother played center in college in the 2000s. All coaches would ever tell him to do was sit under the basket and get rebounds. They never coached him to do all the skills that Wemby & Chet have. It is a sign of great progress that bigs are no longer confined to have to play a role, but they are now free to do everything to excel.
Wemby and Chet are restoring my faith in the NBA. They both wanna win and are competitive. They don’t strike me as the guys who wanna team up and take the competition out of the game.
Chet started off in a really good team already..
@@maduit yep but in 5-6 years I don’t see him or Wemby running to LA to team up together. They want to beat each other.
@@wc4201 he literally said he's on a team with an mvp candidate and other good players
@@maduitHow does being on a good team diminish Holmgren’s excellence and potential?? Make that make sense. Or come up with a better argument against him 😂
@@mosessupposes2571 Maybe I'm missing something but he didn't say anything about it "diminishing Holmgren's excellence and potential"??? He said "Chet started his career off on a really good team already", meaning there's no reason for him to leave or team up with anyone else since he's already in a good spot. This references OP's post on "teaming up" and competitiveness.
The Magic/Bird comparaison couldn't be more accurate. Both of these duos faced each other before being in the NBA in a Finals, one was drafted one year prior to the other, the both represent different kind of cultures but those differences don't mean anything on the court because competitivness overcomes all of that, and they are both incredibly skilled and unique basketball players. I hope this rivalry can last more time than the one from Bird and Magic.
Great video, and I really missed this kind of analysis. I wish you can find more time to do more of these.
Man, your content is the best. The insights, details, and observations that you share in your video always makes sense. Anyway, I can't wait for chet and wemby matchups for more years to come
I can see Chet being the archetype for the future NBA big man. A 7' that can handle the ball and shoot from distance might become the norm in the future.
The reason Wemby can't be an archetype is that at 7'5'', he is somewhere between the 20th-50th tallest PERSON on the planet. Not just as a basketball player, but among ALL humans.
There have only been 9 players at his height or taller in the entire history of the league and most of them got injured really bad really often and had a short unproductive career. He is literally pushing the edge of what's possible for a human's anatomy to be. The whole "Alien" thing is not that far off from how extraordinary he is.
So even IF suddenly every 7'5''+ guy on the planet developed the elite coordination and athleticism needed, you would still not have more then 5-10 extra players. And that's a big IF, since the NBA already pretty much has every person with that height that can somehow dribble and run more then 10 minutes on a roster somewhere 😏
A 7 game series between Wemby and Chet would be cinematic. I can't for SAS to make trades for them to build around wemby.
The way Chet played after a brutal injury makes me excited for what he will do in his second year. Wemby is just the future and will have Pop coaching till he is 90.
Great video. Appreciate all work put in and the choice to highlight two all time talents rather than make it a vs. video.
For both of these cats the concern is health. So long as they stay healthy, especially for Wemby, these two should be awesome for a very, very long time
Whats crazy is brandon miller is out here cooking too but cant see the lime light cause hes number 3 behind these two
Great analysis as usual. I don’t know about best rookie duo since the 1980s. Shaq and Mourning in 1993 was a pretty insane duo and probably ahead of these 2. After Shaq and Morning though, this is probably the best rookie duo.
Would you consider Lebron and Melo?
@@farhansarkar2394yeh that’s a really good point. Surprised I forgot about that year and it wasn’t brought up in the video
Shaq and Mourning is a great call and was the closest '90s candidate to me, but it's not clear in my head. Whereas MJ/Hakeem are both All-NBA guys to me as rookies.
Zo played hella bums comp wasn’t the same that season as it is this season
Man it must be tough for Chet to come in the league, have a banger of a rookie season, but doing it the same season a once in a lifetime talent is making his debut too. Hopefully he can rejoice with the playoffs coming.
Their low block offense is really reminiscent of Wilt Chamberlain. The underhanded layups around defenders, the fadeaways over the shoulder, the high pointed oops.
Thank you for this breakdown‼️ cant wait to see these guys’ full potential🤯
My favorite Bill Russell quote works perfectly for Wemby on defense: "The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot."
i feel like when they’re in their primes, teams around the leagues are going to sign a couple 7 footers regardless of their skills just to put a body in front of them. kinda like what teams did with shaq in his prime
I want to see these two dueling in the Finals someday
Love Chet and Wembys game, really wish you'd do a video of Amen Thompson in Houston though
I was just thinking the other day that in almost any other year Brandin Podziemski would have so much attention
Only other rookie competition we've had of this caliber this century was Trae and Luka literally taking each other's spots and being compared to each other all season. Though Luka definitely pulled ahead even though Trae is still playing at an elite level.
Melo and Bron
They’re making defence great again. Along with OG and Sga
Happy someone can appreciate the 2 of em instead of comparing for nothing but push their own agenda 🫶🏾 love
Always make me sad when people tear down great players to prop up others.
seeing the hart clip after listening to the thinkies pod has me like dicaprio in once upon a time
And the best part is there's animosity between them despit being each other's blueprint
Lebron, Melo, and Wade in 2003?
Pick the best 2. Just curious how they stack up
i agree wemby is rly good and deserves all the credit but chet kind of gets forgotten
and his rly rly good - he'd fit on any team (imagine chet and wemby on same team- 99' spurs all over again)
I agree that this is not a new archetype. there are just not many humans who are that tall. Much less with this level of skill. It is insane that two of them have come into the league at the same time
I just realized that I have been unsubscribed for several years but i always see videos within 24 hours... I guess thanks CZcams algorithm?
Saying there are bringing a new archetype is insane. Yes we will probably see a few more than before but the amount of people their size just doesnt exist for it to dominante the league
Can't wait to see the future of the league with these 2, the west was already so tough but with Chet n Vic continuing to improve in their careers, we're goin to see some special basketball!
I don't think Chet will be able to keep up with Wemby during their careers, but I hope it'll be a great rivalry.
100% nailed it right here
Love these videos. A case could be made for Shaq and Alonzo before we have to go back to Jordan and Hakeem but we are splitting hairs. The point is the same.
8:56 Kyrie with the reverse layup and Wemby with the reverse block 😮👽
As a Thunder fan, avoiding major injuries, I think Chet will become a Hall of Famer, while Wemby has a chance to become the GOAT.
The series of moves Wemby put on the Grizzlies player..... man
Victor & Chet will get a bunch of
hype rightfully so. Quietly (probably because nobody watches Hornets games) Brandon miller has an incredible season. Seriously not surprised if you see him on an all star team next year.
Okc drafts so well It’s crazy man
Wendy just had 17pts in 3 mins
I prefer Wembanyama, but I acknowledge that Chet is great enough that their duel might become a thing for the ages and take both players beyond what they would normally have produced, given their level of competitiveness. This budding rivalry is so promising!
Wemby is the ROTY and DPOY without question.
I say this with nothing but respect. Don't mention Chet in the same sentence as Wemby. That's how good Vic has been.
Wemby probably had the best rookie season in the last 20 maybe 30 years, and Chet would have won ROTY in any other race in the last 10, its crazy
Was waiting for the Derek Lively Shout out
we might have an all time rivalry on our hands
10:06 blatant goaltending 😂
It can't be a goaltending if it was a lob 🤡 if u looked at that clip from the other side, u would see that the ball was going to the side of the basket and it was never going to even hit the rim
Luka and Wemby have goated rookie season not gonna lie
I legit think that a generation of basketball players that have had access to Rocket League really changes how the game is played. So many of these highlights look more like Rocket League deflections than anything I've seen in basketball before. It's probably just height and lob-zone but it used to be about direct passes into a slam if there were an alleyoop.
good video
Apart from the skillset of both, what i love the most is there competitive fire. Its like the 90s. Not trying to be friendly and huggy with the competition. Certain level of arrogance from both and being verbal about it as well. Just reminds you of how the old heads were before. I think there’s just too much friendliness in the sport nowadays. Not saying its bad. Its okay but sometimes it just takes away from the competition. Just my opinion.
Can’t wait to see what Wemby looks like when he is Chet’s age!
The Grant Hill/Jason Kidd duo in 1994 wasn't that bad either: 3.0/3.8 BPM. They were co-Rookies of the Year, which was a first iirc.
Blowing by Josh giddy with no pause is egregious my boi this comment is ya pause I gotchu
As a Gonzaga fan, I'm a bit jaded about Chet. He was ok in college but so passive and unsure of himself. He should have dominated the NCAA championship but instead made almost no impact.
I'd say wemby is better. But wow chet is amazing! I am so excited to see them in the future.
I love talking Chet 😂
4:54 Goat channel
Brandon miller is playing unreal as well.
Great video but I don't consider chet a rookie personally
Wembanyama played for a pro team in Europe. What’s your point?
@@mosessupposes2571 still not an nba team, with nba facilities, practicing etc
@@jovansantingo2728this is Chet’s first season playing any games for an NBA team, therefore it is his rookie season. That’s the definition of the term and how it’s always been.
Chet shouldn't even be in the conversation alongside Wemby - light years apart
I think they have an argument as the best defensive rookie duo of all time but to be fair that is just off the top of my head. Vic being a top 5 defender already and Chet being at worst top 20-25. There are not many I could think of that you could pick over them with the only duos I could think of being Hakeem/Jordan, Ewing/Bol and maybe Kareem/Van Lier but that is just going off reputation. Personally I think they are by far the best and if you include other rookies like Ausar, Amen, Lively, Bilal, Cason and Brandon Miller this is easily the best defensive rookie class of all time.
I hope both have a long career
feel bad for chet. hell never be wemby but he is a hell of a player
Wemb was a pro so it makes sense.
Wemby vs Chet looks like Eren vs Armin in the AOT finale
Wemby solos your team 😈🤫🧏♂️
The disrepect to 2003 is ridiculous, not to mention the fact Chet was drafted last year
9:25 is a defensive 7 second violation though 😂
Bro, Lebron and Dwade also great, in fact the entire roster that year was lit
Please, talk about Jalen Williams! Future all-NBA potential.
The two of them will be all time greats at a minimum. Whats upsetting is we didn’t highlight wemby getting gortat screened under the basket and reaching over the screener to block a layup.
Aight bro we all saw the podcast, suddenly everyone knows what a gortat screen is 😂
@@starmorpheusCan you explain
Big ups from Namibia 🇳🇦
We’re witnessing 2 aliens being aliens 👽👽
9:53 That is insane lmao
So we have an All Star Chet (comparable to Magic) and a borderline All NBA Season in Wemby
Well Bird was 4th in MVP his rookie season, but I wouldn't be shocked if someone put Wemby on the MVP ballot.
Can you give your thoughts on Gobert being the favorite for DPOY even though Wemby is better and arguably AD. If you switch Gobert and Wemby teams then Wemby easily wins. Why does your teammates impact the DPOY?
I’ve been more impressed by Chet’s play than Victor’s. Victor is looking good and doing good, but I’m really liking Chet at the moment.
Nice
Imagine them on the same team 😳
Brandon miller not talked about is criminal
I’m a thunder fan but boi he’s cold as ice 🧊 get rid of ball and build around him he’s the truth