13 Smartphone Photography tips & tricks

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  • čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
  • 00:00 - The philosophy of phone photography
    04:33 - The work of Kathy Ryan
    07:47 - 13 tips for better photos
    16:17 - Conclusion
    Whether you have an iPhone or a Samsung or whatever, it doesn't matter as long as your phone has a camera in it. The most critical factor in image quality is not the camera, but the photographer and the decisions they make. And while having loads of high-end lenses and cameras is great, it does encourages you to fall back on those things when making your shot.
    Phone photography forces you to call on the basic fundamentals of good photography: Composition, lighting, colour and tone, storytelling, and the decisive moment. It's a great way to learn.
    In this video I take a look at the work of Kathy Ryan from her series, Office Romance, and I take you through 13 important tips for creating great photos with you phone camera.
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    Other artists referenced:
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    Lara Jackson - www.larawildlife.co.uk/
    Kristin Dokoza - kristindokozaphotography.com/
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  • @jamiewindsor
    @jamiewindsor  Před měsícem +12

    *There are a lot of comments saying Lightroom Mobile isn't free. I think people might be getting confused with the desktop app. At the time of making this video and the time of writing this comment, the mobile app is free, so please don’t be put off from downloading and using it.*
    *From Adobe's Website:*
    _Lightroom for mobile and tablets is a _*_free_*_ app that gives you a powerful, yet simple solution for capturing, editing and sharing your photos._

    • @lastgaminggt7828
      @lastgaminggt7828 Před měsícem

      Okay queen

    • @buyaport
      @buyaport Před 2 dny

      Perhaps one should also read the small print, not only the marketing slogan. Yes, the app itself is free, but features like raw editing, selective adjustments or healing brush are only available as "in-app purchases" aka "premium version".

    • @jamiewindsor
      @jamiewindsor  Před 2 dny

      @@buyaport Yes, like I said in the video, not _all_ features are available in the free version. But you can shoot raw images via the camera feature and use the manual controls.

  • @anonharingenamn
    @anonharingenamn Před rokem +61

    What comes through SO clearly in your videos is your desire to inspire people to shoot more. Thank you.

  • @Gatodel77
    @Gatodel77 Před rokem +297

    Dear Jamie. The quality of your content is unique and spectacular, for those of us who love old school photography. The vintage aesthetic of your work is a direct blow to nostalgia. Greetings from Argentina

    • @jamiewindsor
      @jamiewindsor  Před rokem +13

      Thank you. I’m glad it’s appreciated.

    • @Jackbrsp
      @Jackbrsp Před rokem +3

      "Newschool" photographers as well! Saludos desde Brazil, hermano! ❤️

    • @Lucho_Torsa
      @Lucho_Torsa Před rokem +1

      indeed, one of the best content creators on these topics. He was already missed around here hehe. Latinoamerica unida jeje greetings from Cuba.

    • @laynetravis
      @laynetravis Před rokem +2

      I agree absolutely!

    • @brittneyh5464
      @brittneyh5464 Před 9 měsíci

      @@Lucho_Torsak gm😢y y jfhY

  • @Mark-Huigen
    @Mark-Huigen Před rokem +164

    I love this kind of well thought out, detailed, original, uncompromising work! It may take a little more patience in between video's but it's always easily worth the wait.

  • @michaelbuckenmeyer4996
    @michaelbuckenmeyer4996 Před rokem +71

    Not much gets me excited to shoot like a new JW video. Jamie, one of my favorite things about your videos is your dives into theory and use of examples. I’ve discovered so many great photographers because of your channel and I find the way you present their work highly instructive. There’s tons of photographers on CZcams talking about gear and editing, but no one really talks about theory like you.

  • @Jackbrsp
    @Jackbrsp Před rokem +43

    Oh the memories... I've been shooting from cellphones since the flip ones in the beginning of 2000s 😂. I was just able to afford a camera in 2019, so my hole school of photography practice was made on phones. I'm so glad you approached this subject! Good to see you back and making spectacular videos again, having us thinking about all that. ❤️

  • @AdrikuTV
    @AdrikuTV Před rokem +22

    Jamie, I just wanted to say that I absolutely love your content. When I started studying photography, some of your videos teached me more concepts about phototography than any class explanation. Now that I work as sports photographer, I recommend your channel to anyone I know who wanted to learn more about photography. I really appreciate the work you do here in YT. Thank you 💜 Greetings from Spain! 💜

  • @ezgar714
    @ezgar714 Před rokem +8

    I’m a photographer from Southern California.
    Love your work, you’re quite the inspiration for me.
    I just wanted to say thank you for continuing to make these videos for us. I hope all is well.

  • @JasonShinks
    @JasonShinks Před 5 měsíci +1

    don't think I've come across anybody that thinks so deeply and explaines so clearly, the creative process Jamie. Great work.

  • @Indrakusuma_a
    @Indrakusuma_a Před rokem +12

    As a hobbyist, I bought my first camera to dive deeper into photography and hopefully be a better photographer. But even so, I still shoot regularly with my phone, and I do have many of my fav shots taken with my phone. As people have repeated the whole time, the best camera is the one in your hand.

  • @GuillaumeTANNEUX
    @GuillaumeTANNEUX Před rokem +12

    I'm half way through the video and I pause a minute to share my appreciation of the visual quality, the meaningful subject and the great storytelling that makes the whole cohesive and absorbing. I'm taking this time (pause) also to last this moment of joy.
    Jamie, you are an amazing video producer, a wonderful storyteller and probably most of all an important human being for the community.
    Thank you.

  •  Před rokem +10

    I think number 12 is the most important. Roland Barthes used to talk about the difference between punctum and studium and how in modern photography we are focusing more and more on the studium (the theory and technical application of photography) and less on the punctum (the subject of the photo, that thing that excites us and that is only found in great photographs) Great video!

  • @elle8099
    @elle8099 Před rokem +6

    I agree with everything you said. I practice street photography just by the use of my smartphone - OPPO Reno 3. It's capable, very simple to use, and although I cannot change settings such as apperture, iso, shutter speed, and no lens I can interchange with it, the best practice it gives me is the creativity to compose a photo. Plus, it taught me to lessen my excuses and give me a chance to explore photography even by just the use of a smartphone.
    Love your video! 👏🏽

  • @David-uc6wy
    @David-uc6wy Před rokem +2

    just 30 seconds and it's already one of my favourites videos in many time, love your video style man, hope you can make more this year
    anyway, good luck with your personal projects and stuff, we appreciate you

  • @jason-m
    @jason-m Před rokem +8

    I’ve taken thousands of photos of my dogs with my “pro” camera and one of the best pictures I got was with my iPhone early one morning when I would never have had the big camera with me.
    Fantastic content as always Jamie hope there’s more from you this year 🤞

  • @kevhaworth5313
    @kevhaworth5313 Před rokem +2

    A rare thing happened tonight, I watched a full video on CZcams. You are very easy to listen to and understand, incredibly well thought out and informative. Thank you.

  • @timallenphotogram
    @timallenphotogram Před rokem +11

    Another brilliant video Jamie. You don't post often but every video is essential viewing.

  • @billpanuska5775
    @billpanuska5775 Před rokem +2

    Applause for your purposeful, relaxed manner. The video is rich with suggestions and sound advice.

  • @the-secrettutorials
    @the-secrettutorials Před rokem +2

    The amount of love in those handcrafted transitions, titles and themes for every single video is insaaane

  • @alexandra_sa_lazer
    @alexandra_sa_lazer Před 8 měsíci +1

    By FAR the best video on smartphone photography I’ve seen. I only endeavored to take better selfies, but I feel like a whole new world has opened up. Thank you!

  • @sowalima243
    @sowalima243 Před rokem +1

    Everytime i see your videos i'm learning so much about (imo) "real" photography and the ability to see. Your way to develop this knowledge is outstanding. Thank you so much for your work!!

  • @simonmarkatcheff1517
    @simonmarkatcheff1517 Před rokem +2

    Hi Jamie. I find your content to be stimulating and thought provoking. Some of your content has actually pushed me along trajectories I was slowly exploring in a more focused and enthused way. Thank you.

  • @JosephineSantiago-rc3bz
    @JosephineSantiago-rc3bz Před měsícem

    I've missed your content so much! Thank you for another stunning video Jamie!!!!

  • @user-jl7kx9nj6o
    @user-jl7kx9nj6o Před rokem +1

    the Vibe of your videos is immaculate. Pure pleasure.
    Huge, huge thank you!

  • @xenaxeZ262tr
    @xenaxeZ262tr Před 23 dny

    I so get what you mean... I so do enjoy clicking anytime, anywhere.. as soon as something appeals to my eye...& i can't leave it be..it must be captured and for memory..exactly as I see it through the lens in my eyes...i am mostly satisfied... Glad to have happened on your channel.. Thank you. 🙋🏻‍♀️🙏🏻

  • @christianhicking5150
    @christianhicking5150 Před rokem +1

    I had been waiting so long for a video like this on your chanel! I just thought about it this morning, cause you are really my favorite photo content creator! I am really not into smartphone shots cause I miss the viewfinder, but I got at least two shots with my smartphone that I am proud of. Thanks and please do not let us wait so long again for content!

  • @edn.3442
    @edn.3442 Před rokem

    Great to see you back! Another excellent video in so many ways. Keep them coming!

  • @SerMattzio
    @SerMattzio Před měsícem

    The editing of these videos always blows me away. I feel like I'm learning things just watching the awesome intro sequences.

  • @BhaaskarDesai
    @BhaaskarDesai Před rokem +11

    For quite a few years I've been telling this exact same thing to some of my friends who always spend loads of money on newer models of smartphones every year just for the hype of having "Better" cameras and still not getting the desired results. You nailed it when you said "Choice is the enemy of creativity". Perfect example of 'Less is better'. I've been using my 5 year phone for landscapes, abstracts, portraits, macro and street photography and so far it's been great. Thank you for all your hard work and putting your thoughts in such a precise way. Love from India. :)

    • @sidha22
      @sidha22 Před 9 měsíci

      You're partially correct. I went with family to Malaysia. It was raining so out came my water proof samsung with ability to shoot raw. So now I have memorable pics which can be improved even after 30 yrs. Old phone camera r ok but if u can buy new go with it. Not to mention 4k recording instantly. But ofcourse my kids r growing so I consider moments captured worth the cost of 4k phone cameras. Big camera is just useless in capturing family moments.

    • @Twiddle_things
      @Twiddle_things Před 8 měsíci

      I just want a darn camera that doesn't over saturate or desaturte the colours to ridiculous extents 😔

  • @isabel95
    @isabel95 Před rokem

    Absolutely the BEST video I've seen on phone photography. Very inspiring. Thank you for sharing.

  • @keshavcharan
    @keshavcharan Před rokem +4

    "Choice is the enemy of creativity", that's a great quote.

    • @jamiewindsor
      @jamiewindsor  Před rokem +1

      Thanks. It’s maybe over-simplified a little, but basically true I think.

  • @saramarkowicz
    @saramarkowicz Před rokem +1

    Your video is SO GOOD ! I am so glad that I found your channel, thank you !
    I used to take my Canon everywhere but got tired of it sometimes because it's huge. So now I take stunning pictures with my smartphone and yes it makes you even more creative !

  • @damsjs6866
    @damsjs6866 Před rokem

    Thank you Jamie. Couldn't agree with everyone who commented before me. You are an inspirational and exceptional teacher. I've so enjoyed your videos. I've recently upgraded my phone because of problems with my older one. This video has really helped me understand the potential of the camera phone,. Keep up the great work and thanks.

  • @tinctanc
    @tinctanc Před rokem +1

    Thanks for another great video! Really appreciate the amount of thought en work you put into it.

  • @pravindesai3718
    @pravindesai3718 Před rokem

    We as photographers at all levels forget the amazing advice you gave us. Just shoot and make something of your environment in rather than look for the perfect setting, light, mood etc. Thank you for the reminder! Pravin Desai

  • @PeterArnold1969
    @PeterArnold1969 Před rokem

    I've been waiting on a video like this, from you, Jamie. Thanks for this. ☺️

  • @Malitz101
    @Malitz101 Před rokem +19

    Whenever I see a Jamie upload notification, I instantly watch.

  • @danielcaudillmedia
    @danielcaudillmedia Před 3 měsíci

    This is one of the best photography videos I have seen. Even though my main camera is a Sony full frame, I have to say that I have been relying more on my Pixel phones for capturing certain moments. Thank you also for showing us the work of Kathy Ryan---those were fantastic images!

  • @shirakawanaoya
    @shirakawanaoya Před rokem

    I love photography and I love phone photography specifically but the tips that you just gave in this video are amazing and they just awoke in me the sense of experimenting and having fun. I appreciate this video.

  • @lautreamontg
    @lautreamontg Před rokem +2

    Thank you for this video. I've lost touch with photography because of my low income. It's really felt impossible for such a long time now. How could I think of film or a new digital camera when I'm looking at day old bread on clearance sales, and praying that my car transmission holds up another month? But even a poor person has a smart phone nowadays, because it's so essential. Thanks for making me realize that you can do something on it other than cheap social media photography.

  • @marianodemiguel3442
    @marianodemiguel3442 Před měsícem

    You did it again! I was hesitant for this. How wrong I was! Another game changer for me. You opened up a whole new imaging universe in my mind. My endorphins are bubbling and can not wait to try this!! I love you man ! Keep doing this. You have the gift .

  • @in3vitableTIMING
    @in3vitableTIMING Před rokem

    Thanks for this! It’s Valentine’s Day tomorrow and is the perfect time to put what I’ve learnt to good use!

  • @davidhaas5987
    @davidhaas5987 Před rokem +2

    Great video! I use my iPhone 13 PR Max now more than ever including underwater with a housing! It travels so easy and makes diving a breeze. Looking for contrast, shadows, etc. is spot on and I shoot whether converting later or in camera in B&W too. One thing I'll add is the iPhone 13 to 14 series main Wide 26mm f1.5 camera (which really is a camera module and separate lens on all iPhones) is the sharpest of the 3. I paint myself into the corner trying to shoot that lens most of the time but will use the Ultrawide more than the 77mm tele only iPhone 13 PRO Max. Keep the great videos coming!

  • @LukeShrimp
    @LukeShrimp Před měsícem

    Thank you for this!!

  • @CaptainPsychopath69
    @CaptainPsychopath69 Před rokem +1

    Definitely the best channel on CZcams about photography/creativity.

  • @baluan3585
    @baluan3585 Před rokem

    Greetings from Vietnam Jamie! I've been following you for a while now, by far your channel is the most invested one on CZcams, creativity wise. Please upload more regularly, I'll die for your videos. ❤

  • @williamgoss4691
    @williamgoss4691 Před rokem +1

    Thanks Jamie, a really proactive and encouraging film. Looking and capturing images on the camera u always have with you all the time; your phone. And adapting the images you see everyday to the simplicity of a phone where your choices are limited; work with those limitations. (And those office shots were brilliant examples of what is possible without a high end camera and the latest 0.95 lens ..).

  • @girishnagarkar8730
    @girishnagarkar8730 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thanks.You have boosted morale of random photographers who shoot for their happiness and share to family and friends 🤗

  • @johnalfredgare1723
    @johnalfredgare1723 Před 16 dny

    Thanks! This vid gives me new perspective in using my phone's camera.

  • @lisahaaseckle
    @lisahaaseckle Před rokem

    Thank you! These are some very good tips for using a phone camera instead of packing all the other camera gear. You're right in that we always have our phones with us.

  • @pollypowell3907
    @pollypowell3907 Před rokem

    So glad to see back. Great as always. Thank you!

  • @TheAntimon13
    @TheAntimon13 Před 6 měsíci

    Dear Jamie, that was really so good! Thank you so much for this complete video!

  • @livemoksha
    @livemoksha Před rokem +1

    So great to see the master of scripting, editing and communicating back! Love you, man!

  • @VictorReynolds
    @VictorReynolds Před rokem

    Love your video, especially as a phone photographer! Thank you for sharing!

  • @user-eg9gi7kn8s
    @user-eg9gi7kn8s Před 2 měsíci

    How I love your videos... it's like a celebration everytime you post something!

  • @EricGross
    @EricGross Před rokem +1

    A truly outstanding photo video. Just terrific.

  • @nickshepherd8377
    @nickshepherd8377 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Just stumbled across this…excellent in every way! Thank you.👍👏👏👏

  • @robomac2011
    @robomac2011 Před 4 měsíci

    Many thanks for your thoughts & inspiration 👍

  • @meladkareme5851
    @meladkareme5851 Před rokem

    We love you Jamie! So glad you finally posted and will look forward to the next one 🙌

  • @badermienhoff773
    @badermienhoff773 Před 8 měsíci

    man , you are such a gift to us photography enthusiast !!! thanks for great content

  • @peterhuskinson4111
    @peterhuskinson4111 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you so much, Jamie. That’s really got me thinking!

  • @lidalahola2202
    @lidalahola2202 Před rokem

    You said it PERFECTLY and in a nutshell...... thank you for your very positive perspective on using the phone as a complementary camera. I love it!!

  • @Ms19754
    @Ms19754 Před rokem +2

    Your content is truly inspiring. I love and re-watch so many of your videos. And while I am not even a photographer, you have enabled me to appreciate photography so much more. My day to day pictures have become better through having this shift in mindset and I've taken pictures that I am actually proud of and love.

    • @rickbiessman6084
      @rickbiessman6084 Před rokem

      So you _are_ a photographer then! 😊 Maybe not a professional, but that’s true for most of us here I think.

  • @BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp
    @BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp Před 3 měsíci +4

    The more you shoot the faster you learn how bad you were yesterday.

  • @josewantland
    @josewantland Před rokem +2

    I have a nice DSLR and accessories , but not to long ago I took a class offered at my local college ( Orange Coast College in California ) and the name of the class was Cellphone Photography, I was so impressed with the results coming out of my old iPhone 8, we did use the same Lr mobile app and is so crazy to see the amazing results, another thing I highly recommend is to use a tripod ( small or a normal size ) with the timer shutter release , you will get very sharp images. The funny thing is I'm also taking analog ( Film ) photography at the same college and I also love the results coming out of medium format cameras I have, It is nice to enjoy both extremes of technology, Thank you for your video and all the tips.

  • @guyd.vinson9627
    @guyd.vinson9627 Před rokem

    So nice to have someone talking about making photographs rather than just equipment, you bring to mind Edward Weston and why I became interested in photography. Thank you

  • @markbabikow3555
    @markbabikow3555 Před rokem

    Always amazing work!!!

  • @ShotbyGhoulkid
    @ShotbyGhoulkid Před 9 měsíci

    Thankyou for these amazing tips Jamie👍

  • @mihaipredescu
    @mihaipredescu Před rokem +1

    Its the LIMITATION that makes CREATIVITY reappear when nobody would expect it. One side is about having all the gear in the world and losing precious time for the effective creative process and the other side is limitation that comes when we face the worst enemy: TIME passing, precious seconds away from the moment that we had expected and now is gone. Tech stuff limitations vs. Creativity *humanized interaction*. That is an important paradigm switch. Great video, Jamie!

  • @chrisr794
    @chrisr794 Před rokem

    Great video, Jamie. I enjoy your presentation skills and your obvious love of photography.

  • @FTropper
    @FTropper Před rokem

    I love your videos. They are all so inspiring, make curios about photography again and make me wanna shoot more. Thank you!

  • @Firnling
    @Firnling Před 6 měsíci +102

    Complimenting the camera rather than the photographer is like calling someone talented rather then skilled.

    • @PR0T0_
      @PR0T0_ Před 4 měsíci +12

      THANK YOU!
      I’ve been saying that for years! Calling someone talented isn’t a compliment. I wasn’t born with some innate ability, I worked my ass off to achieve the skills I have.

  • @gamezone1226
    @gamezone1226 Před 3 měsíci

    I found these tips very useful, thankyou so much Jamie

  • @punitb
    @punitb Před rokem

    Great to have you back. I always learn so much from your videos

  • @R2r_1337
    @R2r_1337 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I feel much more confident with my Fuji XT-3 when photographing people. I think when you take snaps of random folks with your phone they can start thinking why are you doing this, while with a proper camera you look like just doing some photography.
    Anyway, great video as always ❤

  • @y.e.paulus9827
    @y.e.paulus9827 Před 2 měsíci

    Love this! Thanks for making the video. Two thumbs up 👍👍

  • @NevadaMontagu
    @NevadaMontagu Před 6 měsíci

    Excellent vid. Thank you.

  • @lpark8
    @lpark8 Před rokem

    So many great suggestions - and I would have missed that great Kathy Ryan series but for this video 🙏😎

  • @lynneandbillperrett2261
    @lynneandbillperrett2261 Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks for letting us know how to make great photos .I really appreciate it

  • @minaidaissa6614
    @minaidaissa6614 Před 10 měsíci

    Your videos are not only very informative but also entertaining, thank you for the effort you put into making them.

  • @linus2771
    @linus2771 Před rokem +1

    Dear Jamie, now that I've seen all of your videos, I really mean all of them, I want to say a big thank you to you. Your videos are absolutely brilliant, very professional and have a documentary style, on a very, very high level. I see how much work you do, how many hours, days and weeks went into these videos, graphics, visualizations, effects, the music and then you have to cut everything together, oh my god 🙈 which I really like on the one hand is the high content and thematic level, but on the other hand also the philosophical, the meta level, which gives your videos the depth they have. I think that makes you very different from everyone else who talks a lot about equipment and photography in the technical, theoretical sense. With you it's often connections and also interpersonal things that you address and that makes me think so much.
    I would like to thank you very much and encourage you to continue, all the best from Germany, Linus ;)

  • @alexmetcalfe4668
    @alexmetcalfe4668 Před rokem

    Cracking video Jamie. Always enjoy your content.

  • @alisafarpour5638
    @alisafarpour5638 Před rokem

    Tnx man... Amazing guide for better photography mindset

  • @notayapperriin
    @notayapperriin Před 5 měsíci

    learnt alot here Jamie ! thankyou for sharing

  • @princenkhoma9357
    @princenkhoma9357 Před 3 měsíci

    This is one of my most enjoyable videos on photography. Thank you lots

  • @tibixd
    @tibixd Před rokem +2

    jamie, huge love from romania, love to see your videos everytime you post. keep it up

  • @ronald4139
    @ronald4139 Před rokem

    Top! thanks! This inspires me to pick up my good intention again tomorrow and to take a good creative photo with my phone every day. thanks again!

  • @andreim9355
    @andreim9355 Před rokem +2

    Jamie🎉
    I missed you, hope this year will be one of your best!

  • @richardlizier5270
    @richardlizier5270 Před 11 měsíci

    Sound advice. For me but one 😉 The Lightroom editing is nicer on the phone than on a PC. I love it. When you are traveling, it's a great way to have your pictures ready for sharing, using 'time lost'.

  • @noel-xd5rx
    @noel-xd5rx Před rokem

    Some great tips for phone photography Jamie. Thanks!

  • @Rlancup
    @Rlancup Před rokem +1

    How I love your videos... it's like a celebration everytime you post something! 😀

  • @phucpen9996
    @phucpen9996 Před rokem +2

    Such a helpful and well-made video!!

  • @itsmekarishma_____128
    @itsmekarishma_____128 Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you for making this video, i am so glad i learnt this.

  • @BehindThePhoto
    @BehindThePhoto Před rokem

    Brilliant video, as always. Thank you.

  • @pamross8561
    @pamross8561 Před 8 měsíci

    These are all excellent tips. I plan to look for more of your videos. Thank you for your exceptional instruction!

  • @unbelievable33333
    @unbelievable33333 Před rokem +1

    I am so happy that you uploaded this video!🔥

  • @textcentric
    @textcentric Před rokem

    Great tips mate! Thank you so much! 👍

  • @jayumble8390
    @jayumble8390 Před 8 měsíci

    Great advice! Thank you!!

  • @AndreiVaida
    @AndreiVaida Před rokem +38

    Another excellent episode, well done Jamie!
    Yes, the creativity is far more important than the camera. Nice conclusion at 16:36 🙂
    Actually, smartphones have high dynamic range now thanks to the software; sometimes higher than the DSRL's standard picture profile. Android has manual mode by default; I use it quite often.

    • @unliving_ball_of_gas
      @unliving_ball_of_gas Před rokem

      Yep, every phone nowadays has built-in hdr bracketing. But the quality of thw hdr photos really vary from manufacturer to manyfacturer.

  • @uhoh7541
    @uhoh7541 Před rokem

    This is the best video I've seen on this subject. Was also clueless i could use LR to shoot raw when out only with my phone. Thanks!!