I found this a really interesting topic. My name is hyphenated and I have had no issues being confused of my family heritage. Most Latino American countries pass down the FIRST family names of each spouse. For example, a person named Maria Lopez Ramirez marries a man named Antonio Gonzales Hidalgo. Thier children names last names would only be “insert first name”Gonzales Lopez. That way both last names of each spouse carry’s on. It also makes a family genealogy trees easier in my opinion since you can still trace and connect maternal and paternal lines. And on top of that married women don’t change their last names. I also really liked how Piper emphasized the honor of a name in this episode for each argument. Personally I love my given name. I believe it’s one of the only things we own. If my future spouse would like me to take up his family, I’d use Pipers middle name option as a reference. Interesting video non the less and make me think too. God bless you!
While Pastor John has many good points a woman should not be mandated to take her husband name. If a woman wants to keep her family that should not be viewed as rebellion. After all a husband is not the owner of his wife.
If they keep their father's name, does that mean that they are the property of their father? I'm not saying you're saying this, but I am curious if that is the logical conclusion to your statement about her husband being her owner.
@@NathanUttleyGood line of questioning. The answer to it depends on the individual, so I can't answer it. I do have a solution that gets around it altogether however. This solution would be to create an entirely new last name.
@@NathanUttleyThe tradition evolved from historical coverture. It has no biblical origin. The whole point of last names are for lineage. They are lineal, predominantly patrilineal and occasionally matrilineal. Line of descent, so they are supposed to be passed down not across.
Why don’t both people change their last names? Make up a new mashup name? Changing a last name is a huge pain, especially in the middle of adult life. Men would have an attitude about it if they had to go through it.
If you entered a godly centered covenant by choice, why does it matter if the other person is godly? If you willingly chose an ungodly person as spouse, if you're the godly one then you should do what Christ commanded you to do. The other person's actions does not dictate your obedience to God. Your obedience to Christ is your only responsibility and yours alone.
Why would anyone continue to listen to piper these days, he couldn't even stir his son in the right direction but people still want his opinion? That's crazy talk.
a perfect example of: we are not in control of our children's salvation, or their will they follow in their life. we give them the information, show them by our own actions, they will take the path they choose regardless of what they are taught. I was saved at 48 years old.. so it doesn't matter. If it is to be, if he is called, he will be changed, but only by God, not by John Piper, his dad.
@@treyweathers6775 you don't know the meaning of extreme nor hateful, Piper has evidentially by his own words and stance on issues has been at the least very disappointing, just because I think he shouldn't be listened to, and not just because he's an unbiblical Calvinist, it doesn't mean I hate him, I would gladly give him the shirt off of my back or feed him or house him if he needed it, but take him seriously when it comes to the word of God and the God of the word, no thank you 🙏
I think it's an honor to be able to be married and important to take your husband's last name. I think it's an act of respect. I think it's important, ESPECIALLY in our very confused culture, to properly present to the world that we are married and all in!
Pastor you are dead wrong! Show me anywhere in the Bible where a woman is to take on her husband's last name???? I double dare you!!! You won't find it. As a matter of fact only a handful of countries observe this ridiculous practice.
I think Pastor John fails to realize the entire reason this tradition started was because women were seen as properly. And they were forced to take on their husbands last name so they could have ownership claimed over them. That is not what the Bible teaches us! Jesus would not condone that. Many western traditions go against the Bible- such as slavery. Just because it’s a cultural tradition does not mean it is of God and having this mindset is dangerous. Not wanting to take someone’s last name does not mean the wife isn’t excited to be in her husbands family or honored to be his wife. Pastor John is clearly narrow minded in this regard and uninformed. The wife is good as well- not just the husband and it’s troubling to say “to push against it usually signs a resistance to something good”.
Yes, he's guilty of presumptuous sin. Just because a woman takes on the name of the husband doesn't mean it's going to make her unite more as one flesh. Submitting has nothing to do with taking on a name that will perish with time but walking together in the fruit of the spirit in truth. This is a liberty that no one has a right to involve themselves in but the couple to be married. I ask the question, what was Adams last name? It's ridiculous to me that this is an issue and borders on being legalistic.
Slavery was not a western invention.. it had been around for quite a long time. The exodus story is proof of that. Furthermore, the Bible never states that slavery should not be a thing but rather how the slave and the master should act. Just some points for you to look up on your own as it seems your passion is slightly misguided
I found this a really interesting topic. My name is hyphenated and I have had no issues being confused of my family heritage. Most Latino American countries pass down the FIRST family names of each spouse. For example, a person named Maria Lopez Ramirez marries a man named Antonio Gonzales Hidalgo. Thier children names last names would only be “insert first name”Gonzales Lopez. That way both last names of each spouse carry’s on. It also makes a family genealogy trees easier in my opinion since you can still trace and connect maternal and paternal lines.
And on top of that married women don’t change their last names. I also really liked how Piper emphasized the honor of a name in this episode for each argument. Personally I love my given name. I believe it’s one of the only things we own. If my future spouse would like me to take up his family, I’d use Pipers middle name option as a reference. Interesting video non the less and make me think too. God bless you!
I was literally to my girlfriend about this cause my name is also hyphenated and so is hers but I’m Cape Verdean and she’s Puerto Rican.
While Pastor John has many good points a woman should not be mandated to take her husband name. If a woman wants to keep her family that should not be viewed as rebellion. After all a husband is not the owner of his wife.
Thank you for commenting this!! Women deserve better this then narrow minded view from Pastor John!!
If they keep their father's name, does that mean that they are the property of their father? I'm not saying you're saying this, but I am curious if that is the logical conclusion to your statement about her husband being her owner.
@@NathanUttleyGood line of questioning. The answer to it depends on the individual, so I can't answer it. I do have a solution that gets around it altogether however. This solution would be to create an entirely new last name.
@@NathanUttleyThe tradition evolved from historical coverture. It has no biblical origin.
The whole point of last names are for lineage. They are lineal, predominantly patrilineal and occasionally matrilineal. Line of descent, so they are supposed to be passed down not across.
Why don’t both people change their last names?
Make up a new mashup name?
Changing a last name is a huge pain, especially in the middle of adult life. Men would have an attitude about it if they had to go through it.
Agreed! 💯
It is her choice.
What happens if the husband's last name is not godly? Should the woman still change her surname to that? Or should they both change their surnames?
If you entered a godly centered covenant by choice, why does it matter if the other person is godly? If you willingly chose an ungodly person as spouse, if you're the godly one then you should do what Christ commanded you to do. The other person's actions does not dictate your obedience to God. Your obedience to Christ is your only responsibility and yours alone.
Why would anyone continue to listen to piper these days, he couldn't even stir his son in the right direction but people still want his opinion? That's crazy talk.
a perfect example of: we are not in control of our children's salvation, or their will they follow in their life. we give them the information, show them by our own actions, they will take the path they choose regardless of what they are taught. I was saved at 48 years old.. so it doesn't matter. If it is to be, if he is called, he will be changed, but only by God, not by John Piper, his dad.
Wow man this was extremely hateful comment… no reason to personally attack someone based off an view that you disagree with
@@treyweathers6775 you don't know the meaning of extreme nor hateful, Piper has evidentially by his own words and stance on issues has been at the least very disappointing, just because I think he shouldn't be listened to, and not just because he's an unbiblical Calvinist, it doesn't mean I hate him, I would gladly give him the shirt off of my back or feed him or house him if he needed it, but take him seriously when it comes to the word of God and the God of the word, no thank you 🙏
I think it's an honor to be able to be married and important to take your husband's last name. I think it's an act of respect. I think it's important, ESPECIALLY in our very confused culture, to properly present to the world that we are married and all in!
What about if the surname is not godly? Should they still change it? @spencerkeaton8234
@@arielle2249 can you give me an example?
@@arielle2249huh? What kind of surname is ungodly?
Pastor you are dead wrong! Show me anywhere in the Bible where a woman is to take on her husband's last name???? I double dare you!!! You won't find it. As a matter of fact only a handful of countries observe this ridiculous practice.
I think Pastor John fails to realize the entire reason this tradition started was because women were seen as properly. And they were forced to take on their husbands last name so they could have ownership claimed over them. That is not what the Bible teaches us! Jesus would not condone that. Many western traditions go against the Bible- such as slavery. Just because it’s a cultural tradition does not mean it is of God and having this mindset is dangerous. Not wanting to take someone’s last name does not mean the wife isn’t excited to be in her husbands family or honored to be his wife. Pastor John is clearly narrow minded in this regard and uninformed. The wife is good as well- not just the husband and it’s troubling to say “to push against it usually signs a resistance to something good”.
You sound like a bitter feminist who won’t get married in her lifetime.
@@GodsArmyOnEarth ....so instead of countering the points in her argument, you resort to name calling? Wow, so godly 🙄
Yes, he's guilty of presumptuous sin. Just because a woman takes on the name of the husband doesn't mean it's going to make her unite more as one flesh. Submitting has nothing to do with taking on a name that will perish with time but walking together in the fruit of the spirit in truth. This is a liberty that no one has a right to involve themselves in but the couple to be married. I ask the question, what was Adams last name? It's ridiculous to me that this is an issue and borders on being legalistic.
Slavery was not a western invention.. it had been around for quite a long time. The exodus story is proof of that. Furthermore, the Bible never states that slavery should not be a thing but rather how the slave and the master should act. Just some points for you to look up on your own as it seems your passion is slightly misguided