Surtalogi: Saint of the Abyss | Genshin Impact Lore and Speculation
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Surtalogi might be one of the greatest threats to Teyvat. In this video we'll go over his potential origins, his role in the story and his influence on the people of the world.
Timestamps:
Intro 00:00 - 00:33
The Black Flame 00:33 - 01:11
Legend of the Shattered Halberd 01:11 - 02:31
Mimir, Surtr & Loki 02:31 - 05:00
The Red Moon & The Reaper 05:00 - 09:04
Neohumans & Resurrection 09:04 - 11:58
The Alchemical Magnum Opus 11:58 - 13:14
Forbidden Knowledge 13:14 - 17:58
Descenders & the Five Saints of the Abyss 17:58 - 21:51
Outro 21:51 - 22:37
#genshinlore #surtalogi #descenders #hoyocreators - Hry
This one took a bit longer than usual sorry, ended up being a much bigger topic to cover than I expected!
Hope you enjoy the stuff I've found though, I really loved the Faded Castle story since it was so creepy with the figure even terrifying a god-king. The Crowley Night of Pan stuff was something I speculated on at the end of the Shade of the Void video too so it was nice to get a bit more confirmation that was the route the writers are going with how people transform into Abyss Heralds/Lectors.
Oh yeah I got a link to share from hoyo that if you click it, shows your support of me. I'd appreciate it if you could as I'm a bit late posting it! hoyo.link/dcffFBAL?kol=6FVANY2N
Thanks for all the support and if I don't get another video out before Christmas, wishing you all a nice and cosy holiday season.
Imagine the ass kicking Surtalogi would have given to Skirk if she had let Neuvillette kill his pet narwhal 😂😂😂😂
I think Surtr is tied to the story that Cater told to Lanoire. I think the flower that the witch took is Rhine and the little girl should be Rhinedottir. The thing is that Hoyo rarely just puts random stories in the game without purpose. Before I was not sure but as soon as the story progressed to talk about Surtalogi I became confident that those two are related.
Ohh that's an interesting take on it, fits with him being a giant too doesn't it. Yeah I love all these books/stories containing clues that make more sense the further into the story we get.
@@TheLaughingManLore I just like the idea of us being in prison doing labour being bored, and just out of nowhere run into a strange child telling the genesis story. I think Hoyo likes that idea too :)
Can you give an example of the "random story being extremely important to the main story"? I'm not trying to be skeptical, I'm just want more proof that hoyo knows what it's doing with small stories like this
@olotl Now I am aware that people do these quests with little to no regard for the main story but this is wrong you should regard Genshin as a whole not just archon quests. I find very often more information in side quests than I do in the main story. And it's not easy to puzzle together but neither was souls borne games and since I suspect that they are heavily inspired by how those games were made, and also the plot I think there is a high likely hood that was the intention originally but now Genshin is so huge that they need to make the story more comprehensive. Genshins core story is about the Moon and the Sun, and so is Elden Ring and Dark Souls.
bro didn't just cook... man's made a whole 4 course meal for us
I hope for Surtloji's design; to be a mix of Childe's Foul Legacy, and the Abyssal Creature that’s inside the All-Devouring One, and a bit of Baptist; With Dark wings. Idk how, but you get what I meant. I really liked this video. With that level of creativity, you are extremely underrated, actually.
Yeah they could make his design so badass couldn't they? I'm excited to see it, even though it might be years away haha, love your idea for him. Glad you liked it!
They will call me crazy and they're probably right but:
Sword = Kaeya
Famine = Mona
Wild Beasts = Albedo
Plague/Pestilence = Klee
Maybe add a bit of Pyro Lector/Enjou too.
Little supporting tidbit about the relationship of the second and third descender and the sinner:
The Solar Chariot is said to be a star that descended during Morax' youth into the Chasm, so about 6000 years ago, roughly during the time of the Second Throne.
It remained in the Chasm until the Archon war, when it leaped to the heavens in an attempt to stop it, despite the "great chasm's persuasions to stay". With the chasm of course also possibly being the home of the Sinner's crystal at the time.
Which could mean a bunch of things:
- Solar chariot could be the third descender
- Second and third descender could indeed have arrived together, possibly as siblings
- Third descender went to Celestia to try and end the Archon war
- Neuv mentions that Archon war ended with First and Third creating the Gnoses
- Meaning Third probably sacrificed themselves
- Sinner seemingly tried to convince the Third not to do it. Possibly due to being their sibling
Wait that fits so well! I hadn't even considered the Solar Chariot when I was talking about the Chasm, that line about it's persuasions to stay suddenly makes a lot more sense now. Amazing insight, I'm actually blown away haha
This has some incredible research put into it, extremely well done man!
Only note I'd make is that whilst Loki is basically the Logi that translate to 'fire', Loki's name does come from mischief, which is actually the only link he has to that domain haha
I never even thought of the light prince being the third descender and them possibly being Surtalogi, that's such a cool idea I love it! AMAZING VIDEO!!
Thanks Chop! Took me a while so it's lucky I love reading about this sorta stuff haha
Ah yeah Loki is a nightmare to research isn't he, so many different portrayals. Him being called Loge in Wagner's Ring of the Nibelung might be part of the reason why he gets connected to fire as I think it even pre-dated the guy who first made a big theory on him being a god of fire. Probably has some stuff pre-dating that too to do with etymology interpretation stuff but would be pretty funny if it was a big contributor.
Really interesting stories about him too, didn't want to mention the more gruesome stuff like what he was chained to a rock with but damn, Norse mythology gets pretty metal doesn't it?
@@TheLaughingManLore To be fair Hoyo have based more stuff on Wagner's play than the tales themselves, so Loki in that is probably more accurate to genshin haha
Loki's tales are... probably some of the weirdest in mythology. Him being chained to a rock by his dead son isn't even the weirdest story about his children, him becoming a horse, to then mate with another horse and be the one to get pregnant and birth a child with it is probably the strangest xD
Although now that you mention the chaining to a rock, it sounds a little similar to a rock we've seen chained before. It happened just before Ragnarokkr, too. I wonder if there's any way to connect him to the Great Sinner?
@@SenseiChop Haha yeah and then Odin taking it as a mount, so bizarre!
The one where he ate the heart was a weird one too, made me think of the Heart of Naberius but that's a pretty tenuous link just because they're both hearts haha.
Right? It reminded me of the Sinner a lot, love finding connections like that between mythology and the lore.
Enjou is mischievous like Loki, and is full of fire.
/\ *Me wanting any excuse to make Mihoyo bring back Enjou*
At the part of the man scared for the clock reaching the midnight i could not think on anything but the Narzissencruz and the Doom Clock
Your voice is so perfect for this. Makes me feel like I’m listening to a documentary. Love how deep this one was!
Thanks, must be because I had to record really early haha, might try it next time!
OH YOU WERE COOKING WITH THE FIVE SAINTS OF THE ABYSS THING
Lucky for me I have about 4 scripts going further into it, making a new one out of them all and the new info we got haha
I didn't even think about Surtalogi being the sinner but this theory make's a lot more sense
Works pretty well doesn't it!
I suspected it ever since Skirk introduced Surtalogi to us.
The Laughing Man never disappoints ;)
Hope you enjoy the video!
@@TheLaughingManLore I enjoyed this one a lot, also keep up the good work👍
Surtalogi, saint of the abyss meets Isshin the sword saint!
That'd be an interesting fight!
i just wanted to come back to say this video really aged well after the new archon quest dropped
its my third time watching this since its release you did an amazing job theorizing Surtalogi's links with khaenriah and the abyss
keep it up man i love how in depth your videos are
Hey thanks, it's always nice to hear my videos are appreciated, especially this one as it took ages to research haha, hope you're having a good week!
christmas came early!! this is truly a gift!!! wonderful video, sooo many interesting ideas i have to process 😭
You're too kind! That discussion we had the other week was so good I had to add some extra bits (even though I convinced myself I was 100% done writing my script) like the hidden lore you found as it fit perfectly, it's so crazy I could've gone years without even knowing it existed if you hadn't told us about it haha
Damn I really beed to scour the in game books thoroughly. Only part I was already family with was "Albedo says yellow is the ultimate end of alchemy" and "the Abyss Sibling likely wishes to save us from Celestia".
I see that you are really making a profit of Charlotte camera item
Haha it's nice being able to walk through all these cities and areas we've been before in first person, found a chest in Sumeru City from doing it too!
You can`t even imagine how exited i was for this video man
Haha I hope you enjoy it!
it is very difficult for me to synthesize my own thoughts and theories but i appreciate videos like these that give me inspiration and a reference of where to start in my own lore digging. Thank you for your hard work 💜
Same here sometimes haha, it can be a bit of a nightmare navigating through all the different lore/mythology can't it? Glad it'll be useful to you!
Surtalogi will see in the future like the human with cow head. Long horn and its burning
Ohh a Kudan? I've never heard of those before - reading an article on them now!
Wonderful video as always! Don't forget to take breaks.
also noticed the little neuvillette, wriothesley, al haitham and kokomi emotes you used to censor the nude art lmao
I'm not too sure if the character in the thumbnail is meant to be surtalogi, but the design reminds me of the annihilation gang from HSR. Not to mention, a lot of Surtalogi's philosophies seem to coincide with IX or Nanook. Which of course could be a stretch, just some little details I noticed. Happy holidays to you if you don't post before the new year :)
Thanks! I'll try to but hopefully the next video won't take as long as this one to release.
I was hoping someone would notice them! Their expressions were perfect for it haha
Ah yeah it's a character from HI3 (Kalpas) that has a few similarities to Surtalogi and fit the fire giant look I was imagining closer than any other hoyo characters, guessing he won't look this way unless he goes all-out or something.
100% agree on the nihilism kinda view though with some of the texts it seems are quotes of Surtalogi's, he's gonna be an interesting character to learn more about over the years. Maybe he'll make a surprise visit in Natlan.
Happy holidays to you too, hope you have a relaxing break.
Kalpas is best boi
the quote in 13:38 stood out to me a lot regarding the fates of the twins. the chinese phrase used when referencing our twin is 血亲, meaning something like “blood relative”. the word 血literally means blood. so while i do think they are related, note that genshin doesn’t use the literal phrase for twins which is 双胞胎, which could imply that they are not “identical” as twins would be, but branch out with different fates/constellations/destiny.
for genshin, constellation in chinese uses the phrase 命之座 meaning “seat of life/fate”.
the fact that 命之座 was used instead of 星座, which is the more common phrase for constellations is noteworthy because it implies that hoyoverse is connecting fate to constellations. constellations are made out of stars, the twins are stars, meaning that they embody their own destiny, much like the archons/neuvillette. they literally ARE their own fate. rmbr this for later.
there are twin stars IRL, but the two stars involved aren’t “identical” as twins are, and each follow different paths. in genshin’s case, i’d think if the Traveler as the white dwarf and the Abyss Twin as the black hole.
and this is where the quote from 13:38 would come in.
“you will become an incandescent inferno, a new star burning brightly and illuminating the universe for but a brief period, or you will become the ruler of darkness that stamps out all such trifling sparks.”
so that depicts the two destinies of the twins. the traveler that will burn bright and save the world but stop burning briefly after and and the abyss twin that will rule darkness (abyss) and stop the traveler from burning bright (saving teyvat).
in ashikai’s video on descenders and gnoses, it is mentioned that the abyss twin isn’t a descender as the quality necessary to qualified as a descender is to have “a will that rivals a world”.
as i said before, twins=stars=their fate. focusing on the abyss twin, they develop into a black hole and absorb (?idk the correct terminology) light, stamping out trifling sparks like the traveler. in relevance to a black holes properties, the abyss twin could also be absorbing the abyss’s will and using it as their own to compensate for the lack of a will. (also, abyss = black hole).
*these theories are derived from ahsikai’s amazing video on descenders and gnoses, please check it out! :)
(continuing in comments)
regarding abyss twin not being a descender and not having a will strong enough to rival a world:
ashikai’s video mentioned stars granting wishes and representing people’s desire/ambitions/will. stars with their light sealed/taken away will leave a “shade”, a “shadow”, similar to a masterless vision with an unfulfilled ambition.
“in teyvat, the stars in the sky will always have a place for you” implies that u can have ur own constellation when u achieve affinity with the stars/constellations/leylines. ie: you will be a part of the fate system and under celestia’s control if you have an ambition strong enough to ignite a vision, just like how shaded/shadowy stars in the sky are ignited like a masterless vision would if the holder has a strong enough will to that specific ambition (kazuha reigniting the masterless vision to deflect the musou no hitotachi).
the abyss twin could be trying to reignite their will or reinforce their will to the point of being strong enough to rival the world and gain the status of a descender by using the combined will of the abyss/khaenriah (much like how traveler defeated ei with the combined ambitions of the people of inazuma, even those without a vision).
my guess as to why the abyss twin is trying to reignite their will (besides obviously the whole descender status and overthrowing celestia/reweaving the looms of fate ordeal) is because: it’s not that their will wasn’t strong enough, they just chose to seal it and hide it.
as the abyss twin awakened before the traveler, they could’ve very well learned about (or maybe witnessed firsthand? i’m not clear abt the timeline) the fate of the second throne, the fate of the third descender, the fate of the dragon sovereigns, the origin of the seven thrones/“that throne in the sky”(quote dainsleif).
all that lead to the abyss twin wanting to disguise themselves and deceive the heavenly principles like furina/focalors in order to deceive fate itself and change the destiny of teyvat.
by sealing their starlight (disgusting their ambition), they lose their descender status and get registered into the Irminsul. but, they hide their fate from Irminsul so that it cannot be read. that way, they can burn away the old world and start a new order, just in ways not as unfavourable to celestia. even so, i believe the abyss twin’s reason to stay in teyvat lies in their forged connection with the beings of teyvat, their shared desire w the fatui to burn away the old world, and to start a new world order where the throne in the sky will have a new occupant. they’ve perhaps witnessed the truth of this world in a samsara, and are determined to stop the negative effects of corrosion, corruption, forbidden knowledge etc to take place in teyvat once again. i believe that sooner or later the traveler will come to realise this as well, after (or even before!) reuniting with our twin. so maybe by stamping out trifling sparks, the abyss twin has succeeded in making the traveler understand their actions, and they will work together with a common goal. and maybe, dainsleif wants us to prove our worth (to rescue abyss twin) by disagreeing with abyss twins plans and giving in to our companion’s words (as dainsleif would’ve also been subjected to this when travelling with the abyss twin), and instead, come up with a better plan to overthrow the system of destiny set by celestia (fake stars and sky), and reweave the threads of all fate.
@@lyssa1472 Fascinating read! It all makes a lot of sense, I think I've seen that video a while ago but I'll have another look as I must have forgotten some parts haha.
The Abyss twin wanting to regain/reignite their will might be tied to the gnoses but that makes me wonder how the Sustainer defeated the two if at least one of them had a will to rival the world.
Which also makes me think about her being a potential shade, as you mentioned shades being what's left after a star is sealed or has it's light taken away, it'd be interesting if they were sort of born of the PO dying. Very interesting stuff to consider!
If you read cyro assenstion stone the cyro archon says "burn away this old world for me"
Now i can't wait for another Capitano video.Most badass and anticipated char.
Hope at some point we go to the past and witness some of these events
100% same, there's so many good stories from the past, I at least want some longer cutscenes about it. My biggest hopes for the anime are them covering that sorta stuff but it's probably unlikely unfortunately.
Arlecchino’s passive is called Masque of the Red Death, might have cooked there 😮
Made me do a double-take too! Gonna see if it relates to her curse when we get her
This is just a work of art! Please spread the news of this incredible man and his theories he deserves almost 10 times as much attention. Please do a collab with Ashikai and Rooze so you get more known just talk fringe theories people will be interested and listen I know they will. Some I can suggest at the top of my head rock theory, post apocalypse nuclear war theory(honkai), Alice in Wonderland. Thank you
Haha thanks Alex, that'd be pretty fun to do!
Im obsessed with your theories about Arlecchino
She just snuck into this video didn't she haha, does fit the description of that figure in dark robes pretty well though.
@@TheLaughingManLore yo i don't know if you follow Starrail but there's new character called 'Black Swan' it's possibly relate to Arlecchino, maybe worth checking it out?
@@GhostedbyHer I haven't been keeping up on the lore of it too much but I'll see what I can find about her today, thanks for the heads up!
Amazing video ❤, collecting souls stuff reminded me of The Boatman and the lady he mentions, from Tsurumi Island
Ahh I wish I'd had this in mind when making the video, that's such a good observation! Makes me wonder if a person's soul is stored on the moons with the white one used by Celestia and the red by Surtalogi.
Congrats on 10k!!!! You deserve it soo much
Thanks man, appreciate you sticking with me!
Why does it feel like Surtalogi is gonna be asking us why birds fly when we do meet him?
the massive crossover i have never seen in my whole entire life.
Amazing video!!!!
Thanks Cake!
I think Surtalogi is The Sinner.
He'd fit the role pretty well wouldn't he
6:13 I haven’t had the pleasure of reading this story myself, but now I really want to. I’ve been noticing odd connections between the gods kings of old Teyvat and the Traveler, possibly being linked through the Descenders. With what information I’ve been able to gather, this passage reminds me of how the Primordial One and the Second Who Came were usurpers to the old Teyvat ruled by dragons and the Dragon King, Nieblung, another ancient king….
It jumped up to near the top of books in game for me, the imagery it conjures in my head with Remus terrified of some unknown entity appearing and what that implies is amazing.
Yeah I can see what you mean, it seems all the god-kings so far are associated with the colour gold in some way and so are the twins - maybe they're all from the same source, especially since the traveler is supposed to ascend to rule the world as if they're the Primordial One's successors.
I'm betting on him being Otto apocalypse
I was thinking that too, not 100% but the little things like Durandal's JP VA voicing Skirk made me wonder about it.
Great stuff as usual, where do you think verdofnir , the visionary sits here. Skirk equates them with surtologi and rhinedottr as someone trying to achieve their own brand of perfection.
Ive always thought that the entity within the crystal (or who talks through it from somewhere else) was the 'second who came' (who had an extreme beef with the primordial one). Others have said this equates them to nibelung, and we also know nibelung went outside teyvat to get the forbidden knowledge for his 'war of vengeance'. So who did he get it from? And how did he know it was there to be used. Still so many unknowns.
Thanks! I've got a feeling the visionary is either Pierro or Dainsleif, not really too sure but I'd be happy with either of them. For Pierro it's him warning against the Veil of Sin and seeming to be a mastermind and for Dain it's him knowing about stuff that it seems like he shouldn't know.
The Sinner fits with the SWC pretty well doesn't it. Could be Surtalogi that Nibelung got forbidden knowledge from if he's some ancient being from another realm but maybe there's something else out there as a sort of representative of the darkness that we have no knowledge of at all. I still think the PO was running away from something which just for the narrative should be something that can communicate/fight with us but it's hard to say what.
Yeah I really appreciate the lore can have us dig so deep and still have a million questions haha, so much fun discovering little clues along the way!
U absolutly cooked omg !! This is perfect
Also wouldnt that means that an afterlife exist in Genshin? After all Hu Tao story quest touched the subject a bit
Chevreuse saying "Go to Hell"
And the Existence of a Shade of Death ?
Also is this the realm of Night Fischl talks about?
And what about the Night Mother ?
Hex and Hound has connection to north myth too (so Khaenri'ha) with the Witch of Darkness, Magdalene's sister, the so called Nottfrigga ?
Or is it Marana's avatar ?
So many people connected to Death
Thanks! I think an afterlife exists, Hu Tao and a bunch of other stuff points towards it like you said.
The Shade of Death is someone I was thinking about while making this, since they're possibly related to the feather artifacts and pyro being the atk stat, maybe they show up in Natlan. I think they're the one we know least about too.
Oh yeah the different branches off this lore is endless haha, the dark world does fit with the Realm of Eternal Night just from the name, the Night Mother and Nottie are harder to really pinpoint though, I think I'm gonna have to re-read Hex and Hound to see if there's anything else that might make more sense with the new information we have. 4.2 was a very death-heavy patch for the lore wasn't it haha
Surtalogi is one of the 5 sinners
It was said the first and second thrones worked together using the remnants of the third descender to create the gnoshissess. So that theory about the third sacrificing themselves to fix what the second destroyed is very unlikely.
Ah I'm glad you mentioned that, I didn't cover it as the video is already information overload but that might be a problem with the localisation from CN. Apparently from the CN description of Neuvillette's Vision lines, they're described as a "latecomer" so it might not have been the second throne that worked with the Primordial One/Celestia.
It'd make more sense if it wasn't too since they just had a huge war against each other and the Seelie were banished from heaven for just interacting with the armies of the second throne.
Ty for the information
What if Enjou is Surtalogi, maybe he was being too modest about himself. I'd love that idea.
The bastard can shapeshift, and there's multiple of him with the same voice too, though only for gameplay reasons lmao
Maybe their like weaker extensions of himself, like how Dottore has his Segments.
I wondered about that too as I was adding footage, it'd be pretty interesting if he was just playing with us and letting us defeat him so he could keep an eye on us. I think he even knows we have a bunch of cabbages on us too which is a bit weird but probably just meant as a joke.
Got a feeling if Enjou is connected to Surtalogi it'd be in more of a "who I aspire to be" kinda way but there definitely could be something there, hope he returns soon, his interactions with Dain would be great.
Charlotte's camera is so good
The Kalpas thumbnail baited me ngl
Now i can't wait for another GOATpitano video.My most anticipated and intriguing char.Hope foul design is something like Capitano, i mean badass and unique with charm , you know.Good if he is cool looking masked guy
You can cook.Now I'm waiting for GOATHIMTANO video
You missed a key detail. In Norse Myth, Surtalogi is name of Surtr's Sword and that sword "Surtalogi" was originally named the Twilight Sword as its the sword that would bring Ragnarokkr aka the "Twilight of the Gods". If Dainsleif represents the Twilight Sword aka Surtalogi in Genshin then Khaenri'ah represents Surtr and just like how Surtr was destined to destroy Asgard using Surtalogi, Khaenri'ah was destined to destroy Celestia using Dainsleif. This is why Lumine says that he failed to protect the people of Khaenri'ah because he defiedhis Fate to bring Ragnarokkr to Celestia
(Also I would like to mention that both Dainsleif and Skirk use this so called Powers From Beyond which are basically Black Flames and these Black Flames have said to be the only powers that can turn Morax's Spears and Pillars Black.
pretty much right after 4.2 came out, I theorized on reddit that Surtalogi is actually Pierro. My main reason is that I envisioned the Tsaritsa as an allegorical stand-in for Surtr, as she is leading the charge in the final battle (Ragnarok) against the gods (who would be the Aesir in this case). I took this to mean that Pierro, being the Tsaritsa's right-hand-man, was her "Surtalogi" in a more metaphorical sense, making him the "flame" that the Tsaritsa would use to burn away the current world.
Another reason I have is a more semantical one: If Pierro is a 'royal' mage of Khaenri'ah, and Dainsleif is the captain of the 'royal' guard, we could perhaps deduct a common naming scheme for these royal positions as such:
Dainsleif "Twilight Sword": Royal Guard Captain
Surtalogi "The Foul": Royal Mage
Rhinedottir "Gold": Royal Alchemist
Vedrfolnir "The Visionary": Royal Astrologist
This is based off of a lot of feeling and guesswork, but I feel like it fits. Also, I assumed Vedrfolnir would be an astrologist simply because of astrology's power to predict the future in Teyvat.
Anyways, really nice video btw! It was really well made!
Definitely could be, all that stuff is really vague atm haha. I do think the Visionary title fits pretty well with either Dain or Pierro but him being the Tsaritsa's sword fits really nicely too.
@@TheLaughingManLore oops, I made a typo, I meant to say Surtalogi “The Foul” not the visionary. I have no idea who exactly Vedrfolnir could be atm.
@@herb2110 I only think of Dain or Pierro as that as Dain knows about a bunch of stuff he shouldn't which would fit the title and Pierro seems like a sort of visionary in the leader type sense, that's basically it though haha, really hope we get some more stuff on them before Natlan.
In Revelation 9=11 it writes that the Abyss has a king.
In Luke 8=31 the demons don't want to go to the Abyss.
How big really is the Abyss?
Interesting, I remember reading somewhere (I think the Crowley stuff maybe) that the souls in the Abyss want physical forms more than anything and try to escape the Abyss by possessing people. Maybe that was inspired by the Bible.
As for how big the Abyss is, could be a realm like Teyvat, a world or even the entirety of space around Teyvat's planet if the darkness has consumed most stars in the universe.
Well done I think he is a neo human from long ago, I think they all are
It'd make for an interesting character if he could tell us about the first civilisation as someone who lived in those times wouldn't it? Can't wait to find out more about him.
I feel like surtalogi is actually Dainsleif and plus the fact that the last dialogue of Dain in Travail is " defeat me " makes it more sus
As an autist with a hyperfixation on religious history there are some inaccuracies in the video I’d like to clarify
1 Jotun aren’t giants, the best translation for jotun we have is "devourer" and only two jotuns are described as physically huge (uthgard-loki and ymir). They aren’t a separate "species" from the gods but more like a separate "tribe"
2 there isn’t a solid list of nine realms. For example alfheim is located inside asgard, niflheim and helheim are more often described as one realm (niflhel) than as separate realms, nidavellir is a meadhall and jotunheim isnt written like that but like this : jotunheimar, which is plural, as in "the realmS of the devourers"
3 logi and loki are distinct beings. Loki loses against logi in an eating competition in a story
I'm pretty sure Venti mentioned Ymir in the manga, along with two other ones but I can't remember.
He does! The others are Purusha and Pangu, funnily enough, Purusha is the name of the planet (I think?) in the new HI3 chapters.
Keşke elf cüce karaelf yaratık tarzı playable karakterler de gelse oyuna. Teyvat chapterdan sonra gelir belki
Ben de öyle umuyorum!
Awesome video, very well put together! One question: where and how did you get the footage used between 18:11 and 20:06 (that which looks like Genshin landscape but with more detailed/realistic looking texture, shading and such)?
Much appreciated! It's just from the Genshin anime announcement trailer, should be able to find it on yt by searching that.
@@TheLaughingManLore Wow, did not even know about that. (Well, I haven’t yet started playing back when the announcement happened, so that’s probably part of why.) I do wish I could play with this kind of graphics though…
@@taederias1804 God yeah that'd be amazing - maybe we'll eventually get there with an update if the game lasts another 10 years haha. Excited for the anime too, hope they cover the lore we can only read about like the Bloodstained Knight's story but not gonna get my hopes up too much.
@@TheLaughingManLore I mean, it is probably viable to have something like this running on today’s graphics hardware, with all the RTX and DLSS features on modern GPUs, but it’d obviously be a PC-only thing. Which I’d be fine with, but makes it less likely. And even then it would take a hell of a long time to upgrade all the assets and the game engine, so… yeah, probably not happening any time soon.
As for the plot of the anime, it has got to be more than just a summary of the archon quests’ story, but I’m not sure how all the interesting background lore could be injected into the anime in a way that does not feel out of place.
Whats the song that starts at around 18:07 ??
(Edit: never mind. Found it! It's "la mer, la mere" in case anyone was wondering)
interesting lore video
Glad you liked it!
We will have Bifröst road to Asgard.
Jean Gunhildr she is a Valkyrie. My guess
If you read a about Philosopher stone. you will come across hermes trigmegistus. (Mona master).
The red is Cinnabar in alchemy.
Jean getting a skin like Dea Anchora would be amazing!
@@TheLaughingManLore I have not gotten😭 my Jean yet, I would purchase her skin.
@@TheBilayer Took me until the end of Sumeru to get her and Fontaine for Mona so I feel that haha, hope you can get her soon!
Would be cool if after tevyat, abyss and celestia are as big as tevyat in exploration
I'd love that, a dark and light world kinda like in some Zelda games.
that thumbnail is sick where’s the model from??
It's Kalpas from HI3 when he gets angry haha
Black flame means sulfur in alchemy ~
Ohh maybe some more hints towards him being a devilish character then, thanks for sharing!
Outro track is called Tower of Ipsissimus if you didn't find it btw, from the tower in the Narzissenkreuz quest.
@@TheLaughingManLore Yeah, thanks, i remembered it later, that's why i deleted my message. Its just is so an hipnotic song
hey, another great video for everyone to enjoy, I watched it twice and probably need to watch it a third time.
The recent Archon Quest and the Thelxie event made me want to check out old lore to connect with the power of hindsight and i think i hit something really promising on a subject i' ve been cooking on. I am really happy you mentioned the faded Castle book too, it really helped me on with my little research.
Fortunately i have alot of time on my hands to dive back into the rabbit hole. I' d love to share it with you once i feel more comfortable on that matter.
I have been looking for a way to connect with other lore enthusiasts. Is there a designated discord for that or something ? Otherwise i think i will resort to posting in the comments.
Keep up the great work and happy holidays!
Hey, I'm glad the video helped you out with your research! Faded Castle is such a good book isn't it?
Would love to hear your theories when you're ready to share them! There probably is a dedicated lore discord but I'm not a huge user of discord so don't know what to recommend sorry. I think Ashikai has a big one though so I'd bet that'd be a good one to join.
Already working on the next one haha, happy holidays to you too!
i came back after 4 weeks to tell you something
if Rhinedottir put consciousness of abyss creatures into her creatures
there is possible surtalogi put human consciousness into newhumans and abyssal creature..
i know surtalogi and loki are different person but loki in Norse mythology can the consciousness thing too
I think you're right, I didn't know about Loki in Norse mythology being able to do that too though, that's a great piece of extra evidence! Thanks for sharing
Who's the guy in the thumbnail he looks sick
That's Kalpas from HI3 and he's an awesome character, total badass.
What if surtalogi is dains predecessor
I hadn't thought about that but if he was once Mir that could work pretty well, maybe Dain has access to whatever Genshin's version of Mimir's Well is and that's how he knows so much.
thumbnail character can get it
*and Childe too lmao.
What if the sibling made a deal with surtalogi but this time around he cant take any one else's life for payment besides the traveller since they are not from this world and they dont belong to any nation
If Surtalogi really needs the twin for part of his plans I can see him agreeing to certain things like that, especially since they're a prince/princess of the Abyss. I just hope that plan doesn't turn out bad for either of the twins
Nibelung isn't a god-king
I kinda dislike so much use of hi3 videos on a genshin theory.. it feels like a disrespect to genshin as it is its own game...
Ah I get what you mean but just from a footage side it's hard to find scenes relating to what I'm talking about from just Genshin alone since the characters and scenes I cover aren't in the game yet. I felt like rather than use completely different games, it's better to at least stick to just hoyo stuff since they cover similar ideas/concepts.
@@TheLaughingManLore I understand.. but imo you should try to use other methods and I'm saying this because in your mind you might have tried to convey something with those hi3 videos during that part but imo it doesn't convey those thoughts to us viewers. Instead it feels like a distraction... I liked the reference pics you added like Loki being tied to a rock and that stuff.. at the end of the day it's just my personal thoughts..and I'm enjoying the video very much so far.
Totally fair, I hope you enjoy the rest of the video!
Disrespect, not like what?Lmao why are you so pressed and mad about this.He just like thus image and interpretation.Stop talking bs about disrespect and being pressed over nothing.It's ridiculous
@TheLaughingManLore it's ok and there's nothing wrong about this.Don't listen to some crybaby.
lore content creators talking about books/mythologies in a way as if we are familiar with it . they just dump everything on you and make u even more confused. how about u make these parts with razor language to give context to everyone. i don't wanna waste watching a video telling me about vague methodologies that i don't care about just to tell me at the end that Surti is a fire man or whatever. keep it simple and less poetic.
Man, just look things up if you don’t know them, and care enough to complain about it. There is enough explanation given of the referenced concepts, mythological stories etc., one that is sufficient to get the gist of it at least - certainly so if one has at least some rudimentary knowledge to build on, or otherwise enough to look it up. The purpose of the video is not to give you a full rundown on norse mythology, gnosticism and whatever else the lore takes inspiration from, you can get that knowledge from many other places. But these must be used as reference when drawing inferences about the lore because a lot of it is based on these concepts. If you neither have the background knowledge, nor do you want to learn, fine, feel free to leave. But the video would be much lesser if it did not contain all these elements.