Movies portrayed him as "A strict teacher who happens to be an asshole from time to time" Books portray him as "An asshole who happens to be a strict teacher from time to time."
Book Snape is a "little" bit more then Asshole. He literally bullies his studens all the time to the point im wondering if they think about drowning themselfs in the next potion.
James bullied him, stole his crush, and harry had the spitting image of him.. Well, what a terrible reason to be a bully himself.. (Geez, i'm sorry for my grammar, you guys are relentless)
@@vincentangwyn2144 and what did neville do? And what did hermione do? And rest of the gryffindors? And in fact, snape made lily to leave him himself. She hated james, when she ended their friendsip. James bullied people which attended slytherin, admired voldemort and practiced dark magic on their classmates. But he was a brave, loyal and honest, hated evil, were absolutely dedicated to his friends, and sacrificed himself for others multiple times - even for his enemy! As well he hated snape because lily was his crush too. Would you bully a little kid, and all of his friends in the world, just because his dad wasn't nice to you?
Literally every Snape fan I've interacted with, as a fellow Snape fan, like Book Snape more than Film Snape. Alan Rickman is a bonus and did a phenomenal acting performance but the vast majority of Snape fans I know (who tend to be older, female/male/non-binary,, and/or queer) prefer Book Snape because of how much depth is given to his personality and his severely abusive background that shaped him and radicalized him into who he was. Book Snape's home life growing up was so bad that an 8 year old Snape would've switched places with Harry because the mistreatment of the Dursleys was still better than how Snape's own parents and his childhood and adolescence treated Snape, by pretty much evey metric. THINK about that. Also, by Hogwarts's standards, Snaoe was one of the top 5 teachers there and a mildly strict one at that. He certainly doesn't beat or physically endanger his students, unlike Book McGonagall and other Hogwarts teachers. By Asian parents/teachers standards, Book Severus Snape is a freaking softie. I went to boarding school in India. I know wgat the fvck I'm talking about. A reason that a lot of Snape fans like Snape, besides the fact that they've actually read the books and critically thought about it (the same of which can't be said of the vast majority of Snape haters), is that it's not hard to sympathize with 1 of the 2 canonical male victims of sexual assault in the series. The reason why Snape hated James Potter is because James was his bully, tormentor, and sexual assaulter. In the books, James publicly sexually assaulted Snape by stripping off Snape's underwear and exposing his genitalia to a baying crowd, which is SA. Sirius and Remus don't even _try_ to deny it or claim that James didn't go through with it. James Potter was the Wizarding version of Brock Turner, exceot worse in every way. Because unlike James Potter, Brock Turner didn't relentlessly bully his SA victim for years before he SA'd them, he didn't do his SA in public, and he certainly didn't get away with it.
@@ajiththomas2465 The difference being it seems James grew up and stopped being an asshole while Snape used his suffering as an excuse to inflict it on others, including becoming the wizard equivalent of a Nazi. I'd also point out when Lilly did try to help him he just shouted slurs at her. Sympathy only gets you so far and Snape walked up to that line, spat on it and then did a long jump over it. Being a victim doesn't give you a pass to victimise others. Also notice for all his flaws, Harry didn't let his abuse make him into an abuser.
@@shadenox8164 "James grew up and stopped being an asshole" According to who? Sirius and Remus, the man's best friends and fellow bullies? Sirius and Lupin were James’ best friends and accomplices in the bullying, so asking them to be impartial is like asking an accomplice to a crime to be an impartial witness towards the defense. On top of this, Sirius and Lupin have a history of lying to make themselves look better and make Snape look worse. And JK Rowling already confirmed that James bullied Snape for things like being jealous of his friendship with Lily. Given Sirius and Lupin's bias towards James and proven history of lying to make themselves look better at the expense of the victim, their word doesn't carry a lot of credibility. To believe Sirius and Lupin when they say Snape started is like believing someone who A. was an accomplice to the crime, B. was best friends with the main perpetrator, C. has demonstrated a history of lying and changing stories to make themselves look good, D. there is video evidence to back up the victims claims. We're never given any evidence, other than claims from Sirius and Lupin, who were accomplices to the bullying themselves, that Snape was equally bad as them. Or for that matter, that James Potter had allegedly "grown up and stopped being an asshole". The victim is still the victim, no matter how good they are at self-defense. The fact that Snape actually decided to fight back against someone who’s relentlessly bullied him for years and who sexually assaulted in public and got away with it, does not magically take away Snape’s status as a victim of James’ bullying and tormenting. Whatever mellowing that James had must not have been that major, if Sirius, the biggest dickrider for James there is, could only say that James’ head “deflated a bit”. Not a lot but _a bit_ and that’s coming from the dude’s biggest supporter and defender. The idea that James grew up a lot falls apart when Harry applied the slightest bit of scrutiny and questioning to Sirius and Remus’ claims in their Floo chat. Harry’s questions and how Remus and Sirius chose to answer them are very important. That conversation as a whole shows them victim blaming (eg saying Snape “gave as good as he got”, then hastily switching tactics when Harry points out that they attacked Snape unprovoked bc Sirius said he was bored). It shows them making excuses which Harry calls them out on (saying “he was only fifteen”, aka “boys will be boys”, to which Harry angrily responds “I’m fifteen!”). It shows them contradicting themselves when Harry asks them pointed questions *(saying Lily only dated James when he stopped hexing people for the fun of it, but admitting that James continued bullying Snape and hid it from Lily when Harry presses them). That pokes a hole in the claim that James had truly grown up and matured when Lily started dating him. He didn’t truly change, not really, he simply got better at hiding his flaws from Lily rather than actually correcting his flaws.* Harry isn’t mollified by their excuses, and it disturbs me when readers are. Because everything Remus and Sirius say in that chapter reads like a road map of abuse/bullying/sexual violence apologia, and I’ve heard literally every single one of their excuses used to cover for real life offenders. (cont below) Including “he’s a family guy” and “a good girl like her wouldn’t marry him if he did something like that”. I’m tired of that attitude, because it very easily switches around to “you should have known better”. Somehow the responsibility always ends up on the partner’s shoulders, as if the partner is omniscient. Well, Lily isn’t omniscient. She couldn’t be aware of something that, as Remus and Sirius said, James kept hidden from her and the staff, something he could easily do thanks to his Invisibility Cloak and the Marauder’s Map. She. Did. Not. Know. Her decision to date and marry James reflects absolutely nothing about James’ character. Only James’ actions have any reflection on James’ character. And Lily is NOT the freaking barometer of what is good and bad in the world. She’s not a trophy or an object or a Moral MacGuffin like Excalibur or the MCU Mjolnir. Above her womb is not some inscription that states that “Only the worthy may rest their wand inside her sheath”. Just because she dated and married him is not an indicator that James went through some deep moral change. She could just have shit taste in men. The idea of her being too pure for the earth, the Myth of St. Lily Potter as I call it, was debunked in Snape’s Pensieve memories. I mean, this is the same woman who dated and married the guy who had bullied and sexually assaulted her former best friend. She ain’t the barometer of moral purity is all I’m saying. James and his friends were just bullies who bullied Snape because, as James so eloquently put it, “he existed”. That’s it. It was bullying, not a rivalry. It was so obviously bullying that even the co-bullies Sirius and Remus can only give the most flaccid of excuses that Harry instantly tears apart. Just because Snape fought back doesn’t make the bullying invalid. The victim is still the victim, no matter how good they are at self-defense. As for the claims that James “matured” or “grew up” or “got over it”. Yeah, because _he’s the abuser_ . Of course he got over it. He never had to deal with being a poor mixed kid in a House full of purebloods pressuring him to join what they thought at the time was a political movement, abused at home and “relentlessly bullied” (direct from Remus Lupin’s Pottermore page) for seven years, nonstop. (btw Sirius, while talking about Regulus joining the Death Eaters, mentions that none of them actually knew about anything but the political agenda. If the Purebloods didn’t know, how the hell would Snape?) Abusers “get over it.” They pretend it didn’t happen. Deny it happened. That’s what happens. The abused? Yeah. They don’t get over it. They just don’t. Simply “stopping” the abuse does nothing for the actual harm caused to victims from said abuse. The abuse was done. You don’t get a Medal for simply “not doing” the thing that traumatized a person. Like good for you, you “stopped” harassing someone but this does nothing to negate the harassment you already caused. If a man who had physically and mentally abused their spouse and children for years and then suddenly stopped, is that somehow worthy of a medal? In order to receive redemption one must not only stop the hurtful actions, but try to make up for them/apologize to the victim/attempt reparations. This is why I simply don’t understand the argument that James “changed” while Severus didn’t. James “stopped” bullying Severus (he really just did it behind Lily’s back I think but assuming he did stop) he: - Never once apologized to Severus for any of the traumatic shit he put him through which would have been the bare minimum considering everything that happened. -Never made up for the things he did to Severus via any other means. The fact that the rest of the Marauders never do so either or even attempt to tells a lot about how all 4 of them views what happened to Severus (spoiler alert: they think he deserved it…not exactly remorseful) Therefore, simply “stopping” the abuse means absolutely nothing to me in terms of James “changing” or “maturing” and offers no evidence he even attempted it. Merely got better at hiding it. Lastly, victims are NEVER obligated to forgive their abusers. Even if James had done both of the above that would not obligate Severus to forgive him for the abuse he put him through, especially after the minor sexual assault. People acting like Severus is a “bad” victim for harboring resentment for how James treated him, especially when he never once felt remorse for it is so gross to me. James did not ever change his attitude to Severus. He just got better at hiding it. And Severus has every right to resent James for that.
1 if someone matches a patronus charm that means they love the other person. 2 James bullied Snape so much and not to forget Snape's family was so bad and then he gets his girl. C'mon man. It's a wonder he didn't lead the deatheaters after the first wizarding war.
@@M1NN13thekitty Bellatrix, who tortured Neville’s parents to literal insanity and caused them to be in St. Mungo’s for the remainder of their lives and the fact that Neville’s worst fear is SNAPE definitely says something 😭
Actually Voldemort was like "yeah sure buddy, whatever floats your boat" and then Lily argued with him about it for like 5 seconds and he said "the hell with this, Snape will get over it".
I think the reasonthey changed it so much is so that his death would actually have more impact. They wanted people to cry when he died, not go "HIP HIP HOORAY! THE BASTARD IS DEAD!!"
Well yeah, and I'm no Snape defender nor fan but truly his death in the Book is so horrible I wouldn't wish it on anyone character and it kind of hurt in a weird way because it was still someone close to Harry. Even after witnessing that, Harry and Hermione can't say a word to each other. Although I always thought he was still playing for Dumbledore and I might have been biased towards that when I read it originally.
I mean I didnt really like Snape at the point of his death, in the books and I wasn't like "HIP HOP HOORAY! THE BASTARD IS DEAD!!" I was like,"Damn, that was kind of brutal, did voldy really need to kill him like that?"
Yes! Dumbledore is basically like, 'even this is too much audacity for me, and believe me, I have a lot.' I understand why this got cut down in the film, though. It's a different medium and the film would've grinded to a halt.
Exactly! When I started reading the books (after having watched the movies countless times) Snape confused the heck out of me.😂 I was like “Dude! Calm the f*ck down!😳
To his credit, Voldemort did try to spare Lily. He gave her multiple chances to step aside, which is what allowed her sacrifice to count while James' didn't. He was going to die that night no matter what, but Lily had a choice. She was just unwaveringly loving to her son, despite how futile it may have seemed in the moment
@Harshuuu007 lily was going to die either way as vodamort wanted to wipe put all the half bloody and mudblood so she would of been killed by vodamort either way because snape asked for lily to survive don't mean vodamort was going to let her live
@@kingludacris4202 He was only willing to try and spare her because Snape asked, if he wasn't going to try and honour that, he wouldn't have given her the opportunity to step aside.
Voldemort actually was going to leave Lily alive as a slight courtesy to Snape, it's why he told her to move aside, but he doesn't have any heart in him so when she didn't comply he obviously killed her. I find that great, by offering her a way out he enabled the protection spell that kept Harry safe from him all those years
The spell is described that if you got killed by the curse in order to protect a loved one, it will save the loved one. if he gave her a second choice doesnt matter. So ore so harry whould have been protected.
@Loony Singer it does matter. James died protecting them and that didn't count. She very clearly sacrificed herself for her son after being given an option to save herself
I dumped like half a bottle of hair oil on my head in an attempt to recreate it and the camera barely picked it up 😭😂 at least my hair is well conditioned now 🥲
True... To be honest there are a lot of things you can put the blame on him for in the books, but most of those things were ignored in the movies... Let's turn him into a sad backstory character... Which I believe was only created after Rickman askes for Snapes backstory.
@@ChelseaChfy-ex1po I did, and I summarized what he said. Do you really think I can perfectly quote the books? I’ve read them multiple times, yet you don’t see me getting it exactly right. I was legitimately paraphrasing. Get ahold of yourself.
@@emmamorley1836 voldy didn’t want to date lily. Snape wanted to be with lily. Snape was also the one who told the prophecy about lily’s son to voldy. Also Snape said it’s fine that James and Harry die so long as lily survives. Ergo it would be partially Snape’s fault that james and Harry would die. Thus, lily wouldn’t want to date Snape
Yup. He gave her several chances to live. That is the reason why Harry was able to receive Lily's protection. She had the option to live, but chose not to in hopes of protecting Harry. "Choose me, not Harry!" Blood sacrifice only works when you willingly give your life to save others. But if you have no choice in the matter, it doesn't work. Likewise, Harry was able to give that same protection to the students of Hogwarts because he willingly went. He could have ran away or stayed with the other students, but instead went willingly. So really, it was Snape that accidently spelled Voldemort's doom. If he didn't make the request to spare Lily, well...Harry would just be dead. Granted, the prophecy wouldn't have been made in the first place either. They only had the prophecy because Snape was outside the door listening. Any other Death Eater, and Lily would not have been given the choice to live. Which means Voldemort would have just killed Harry. And so prophecy would end there and then (or maybe after killing Neville.)
Honestly, if Voldemort had just used that petrifying spell first seen on Neville in the first movie, he would have been able to keep Snape on his side and Harry wouldn’t have gotten the blood protection. All he had to do was immobilize Lily to kill her son, not give her options? It was just caused because Voldemort was to murder-oriented.
@@RobustPhysics Well, he gave her one chance and then was all "Oh well, I tried! Arvada Kadavra! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" 😂 Like, let's face it, if he was really that bothered about keeping her alive for Snape there would be a million and one ways he could have gotten her out of the way long enough to attack the baby without killing her. He was really half-assing that one.
People gotta stop saying this like it means anything. It was a boggart that takes over a person's current anxieties, not the source of all fear for a person. Characters like Bellatrix and the like were far and away from Neville, while he was exposed to Snape almost daily. Does this excuse Snape? No, he's an asshole that shouldn't have been around kids. But it doesn't make him worse than the literal villains.
@@tusherabtahee9839 you cannot chose your fears. The fact that the first thing that came to Neville's mind was Snape speaks volumes. We are not saying he was worst that she, we are saying he became the thing he most feared, even knowing about Bellatrix, he couldb't help but fear him most.
@triccele people don't fear things proportionally to the amount of harm or potential harm to them. It has more to do with proximity and discomfort than anything else. Again, Snape was an asshole that should not have been teaching children. But implying that Nevilles immediate fear of his bullying is darker than the brutal torture of his parents is plain wrong. Harry's worst fear was dementors, which didn't do nearly as much to him as Voldemort did. Also, if you don't remember, Lupin told them to think of their fear and really focus on it, so they were in some control of what the boggart turned into.
Movie Snape: grumpy introvert but still definitely a good person. Book Snape: abusive, petulant bully who plays constant favorites and traumatizes his students by actively trying to murder their pets, and only left the magic nazis because his favorite undesirable died.
Movie Snape and book sanpe are different persons movie sanpe although movie Snape still dislike Harry he's not as harsh to him like in the books because in the movies in the Goblet of Fire movie he did Prince Harry and Ron but I'm pretty sure he's trying to to tell me the pay attention to that work movie Snape he positive moments like the time he protected the trio from Remus Lupin as at werewolf because book and Snape are different people because in the movies Snape is in love with Lily but he's not obsessed with her in the movies because in the books Snape was really obsessed with Lily and really possessive of her but in the movie Snape kill Dumbledore despair Lily and her family it's that movie sanpe shows concerns about Lilly's family He does care for Harry but however in the book Snape is an awful person he called Lily a mudblood he's obsessed with her any hate Harry because he look like James that is why I think movie sanpe is better than book sanpe
@@okbooo Dumbledore in 1-6 books- Imma very intelligent man and I love harry alot In 7 book starting- Alright i died and will make harry suffer a little but i still love harry In 7 book middle- Fuck you Harry! Die pig die In 7 book end- Well, i cared about him afterall
@@okbooo no Dumbledore was definitely worse. You just got to like him longer. But going back through the book or the movie Dumbledore is the biggest asshole
im currently reading the books and so far it makes so little sense that Dumbledore allows Snape teach at all. Harry naming his kid after him is a fricking "Black Mirror" ending if you ask me
@@siberiasianRemember, in war the morals can be a little more "loose" and Snape was loyal (and useful) to Dumbledore so yeah Snape was risking his life being a double agent for him after all
I'm not condoning everything Snape did but he tried to protect Harry and even the Weasleys during the time he was with Voldemort after he came back but still... he really treated muggle-born students and Neville really badly. Like he only was a good person in life or death situations.
The reason why I love Snape is because I watched the movies first then read the books afterwards. I pictured the characters as the actors and it’s just impossible to dislike Alan Rickman’s Snape.
That's funny I read the books after and imagined completely separate characters based of their descriptions alone after deathly hallows I still had a dislike for snape after the memories in the pensieve because the books showed he only ever cared about Lily never grew to love Harry like in the movies I think he did
@@anitabonghit7606 That’s really interesting! It’s fun how people get different perceptions and stuff from the characters in the story. Makes it good I think:)
The worst part? Voldi said yes. It's the reason he told Lily to step aside insted of just killing her is because Snape Begged for her. And funnily enough the fact that lily had a choice to step away and chose not to is what activated the protection magic.
You mean instead of just being killed and tossed out of the way. (what really fits Voldis stile) was actually given a choice to back down but refused to? Willingly sacrificing herself to protect her child instead of being murdered within a blink of an eye without a Chance to react? Does that mean Snapi boy by asking to spare Lily acutally managed to save Harry instead?
@@Teufer2 Yep Yep and yep. Voldi was a kill first and spare never kind of guy, but giving this one witch the chance to back down and continuing on when she didn't is what screwed him in the end. In fact he made this mistake twice, because when harry gave himself up willingly to voldy near the end of book 7 he activated the same kind of protection magic over the protectors of hogwarts. It's the reason Nevil can walk off having the sorting hat lit on fire while its on his head by old no nose. And yes, Snape is the reason why harry is alive.
yeah but i dont think he cared much because he could've used petrificus totalus or something lol, probably didn't expect snape to actually turn on him because of it as he was definitely one of his most loyal servants at the time
@@leaf111 He was the "Dark lord" his ego probably came in between saving lily Also, he had a strong hatred towards muggleborns. Do you really think he would have spared lily just because a mere servant/death eater (No offence..I have huge sympathy towards snape) asked him to?
@@aryamaheshwari3986 hmm. If he used some stunning spell on her, he would be able to kill Harry, actually. Mother's love protection wouldn't work if she still alive, right?
@@leaf111 He also probably thought that if Snape were really loyal to him and believed in the cause, then he'd get over a "mudblood" and find a "proper" girl to "mate" with. I'm bewildered he honored his request at all.
I just dont understand how people FORGET EVRYTHING snape had done when its the ” after all this time?” ” always” Like he was first in the darkside, he bullied students, he couldnt get over things that happened like 30 years ago, and he didnt care how much Lily would have been hurt and sad If Voldemort killed James and Harry. Snape just wanted Lily to himself.
True! Also there is the fact that he bullied Harry, Neville and Hermione. To the point where Neville is so afraid of Snape that he does horrible in class (because no-on can tell me that the guy who is an expert in herbology wouldn't be able to use said knowledge in potions, where the half of the stuff that is used is based of plants...) Hm... that and the movies have Rickman... and you just can't hate an actor that good!
I once saw this thing that when Snape told Voldemort to leave Lily alive, Voldemort agreed, promised him even. I think that I’m that moment, he accidentally created an unbreakable bond with Snape. He even told Lily to “move aside”. When he killed Lily, he was stripped of his magic and any of his spells would fire back at him. It just so happens that the next spell he would cast was Avada Kedavra on Harry, which fired back at him and killed him. FYI: I saw this online a few years ago, don’t remember by who though
@@QueenofTaterTots it doesn’t matter he still promised Snape he wouldn’t kill her which means he understand the feelings of those around him at the least, and if Voldemort truly didn’t want to he could have knocked her out the way…also the fact he was basically born evil contradicts the entire story, which is your decisions make you good or bad, so I try not to think of it…
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 he wasn't *born* evil, that's not what being born under the effects of a love potion means, you're born sociopathic from it, yes but not all sociopaths are evil, it was his abuse by muggles, seeing the war and fracturing his soul so much that made him evil, horcrux creation drives the user crazier and crazier, but he was absolutely paranoid and scared of death
This man bullied a boy so bad that the boy feared him more than the people who tortured his parents into insanity. And insulted a teenage girls looks because she's friends with his dead ex-crushes son.
he was awful to neville and pretty much everyone but insinuating that he was worse to him then those that tortured his parents is just wrong and a surface level reading of the boggart scene. The boggart is a representation of something that the kid fears, In neville's case its an authority figure thats a bully or really strict/overly harsh (like his grand mother) It doesn't mean that Snape (or Neville's grand mother) are worse to neville then bellatrix or the death eaters who tortured his parents
Dont think Neville would be scared of Voldemort or Bellatrix anyway but more so Angry and Vengeful for his parents, he wouldn’t be in Gryffindor otherwise
Never forget when he tried to murder Neville's pet toad because Neville was bad at Potions. And then punished Hermione for helping him make sure his pet didn't die. Then when Neville says that Snape is his biggest fear, his classmates laugh as if the above scene didn't just happen twenty minutes ago.
@@Pipic9I don't think he could have an antidote for an incorrectly brewed potion. It's likely Trevor would have just straight up died and Snape would have given Neville detention to rub salt in the would
Love that you included how much Dumbledore initially despised Snape in the books. Like literally the man withdrew none of his contempt in that interaction and then basically went "I own you" after Snape came to him post-Halloween.
They slightly changed the character for the movie. In the books he's infatuated with Lily, it's creepy and disturbing. In the movies he's in love with Lily, it's selfless and moving. I think this slight change reframe all his actions as sacrificial love compared to the obsessive love of the books. Alan Rickman's charisma also played a big role.
There is literally nothing creepy or disturbing about his feelings for Lily in the books, in fact, it's the movies that add the scene were he's craddling her dead body, which is far more disturbing and was never in the books.
@elisawilde8623 I dont think cradling her dead body is neccesarily creepy. If someone i loved dyed, I might end up holding there body depending on the circumstance.
@@elisawilde8623He was ok with Voldemort killing both James and Harry and had zero concerns about how that would affect Lily. I honestly doubt book Snape actually understood what love was.
Actually jk has said he was indeed capable of love. He did indeed create a patronus and that was because of his love for her. I won’t deny he was obsessive but it was love nonetheless.
His love for lilly in the books and in the movie are the same. Its not creepy at all, lilly is the love of his life. For her he changed everything and made it his life's work to protect her son and fight for the right cause at great peril to his own life. I read the book first and he was my favourite character all the way till the last book because i sensed their was more to him than meets the eye and i was proven right. Fans of snape like him, because he is incredibly complex and nuanced, the best anti-hero i have ever read. No one liked him because he was some sweet little cinnamon roll(lol imagine). Its because he's a gray character and written wonderfully.
Your skits are what inspired me to read the series from start to finish. And when I finally got to this scene in the last book, I out loud said, "Oh shit! He actually called him disgusting to his face!"
So glad you read them! People go on about how awesome the movies are without understanding how deep the books go. Rowling is indeed an incredibly gifted writer. So much was lost in the movies, and with different directors, so much more was lost.
To be fair, the books are framed through Harry's perspective... so it is really Harry thinking that Snape is going to bully Neville rather than the text specifically saying so. Though, since Snape IS actually going to bully Neville, I guess it's a moot point.
I’m sorry but Harry rode a fine line between bullying Neville too. Excluding him, thinking really rude things about him, treating him like he was a burden? He didn’t stop until he learned about Neville’s parents and the prophecy.
@@dareisayit well Harry isn't obliged to like Neville? He may think whatever he wants, and if he doesn't want to be friends with someone, it's actually fine. He doesn't bully Neville and doesn't say any hurtful things to him. Can you personally say that you never, ever thought any bad things about other people? Especially as a kid/teen? If not, so, why judge Harry?
@@dareisayit No, just no. I want you to point me to the books of which this happened so that I can go find out. I have the book right here on my phone. You don’t have to lie. You could have said that Neville was never part of their friend group, so Harry didn’t really pay attention to him, but to claim that he excluded him, had rude thoughts of him, and thought he was a burden is simply bull. Why lie to make someone looked terrible to try and justify another terrible person’s actions?
When I realized that Voldy could have gone after Neville instead to fulfill the prophesy, it became more apparent why Neville was his target. (NOT an excuse!!! ...just an observation)
Dumbledore was a student when Nigellus Black was headmaster, so maybe he learned how to be a bad headmaster from him. But even Black had a school staffed with competent teachers, so what's Dumbledore's excuse?
@@MegaKnight2012 Dumbledore knew Voldemort was going to come back, so he needed someone that could work as a double spy, Snape being the best candidate. Giving Snape a position close to himself meant that Voldemort would see Snape as a useful ally, meaning in turn Snape would be trusted with important information, which was useful for Dumbledore. Now why did he gave him a teaching position specifically, or why didn't he at least tried to step down when Snape was being an asshole to his students, idk. Dumbledore could have given him an administrative position or something instead. Maybe he thought Snape was good on the inside? Tho i think the real answer is "because the plot demanded it, and Rowling, wheter because she couldn't, didn't wanted to, or simply didn't think about it, simply didn't gaves us a believe excuse"
Alan Rick man added a lot of moments for Snape. For instance, in the prisoner of Azkabhan, he wakes up without a wand, all angry at Harry for disarming him, but the moment he sees the werewolf, he immediately puts himself before them and shields them all. He isn't intentionally as spiteful as the books.
Yeah snape in the movie was more like a stern teacher that just done with everyone shit while in the books he basicly abuses the students he doesn't like
@@satan3862 in the first 2 movies, he is hilarious because of the melodrama he is compared to everyone else like how he pulls up the duel all like why am I stuck with this fool
Let’s not forget the time in goblet of fire where Hermione got hit with the curse and her two front teeth grew even larger and he looked at her and said he can’t even see a difference and she ran out of the classroom crying😭😂 Snape was indeed a true villain
Movie fans got a better Snape because... Two words: Alan Rickman. Snape as a character was a horrible person but we loved him because of what Rickman put into him. And then of course they gave him a redemption arc at the end.
Rightly said! We fell in love with the Snape Alan Rickman created, the depth he gave to that character. And that arc is gonna be too damn different from Rowling's Snape, but who cares? Alan Rickman forever!
Err…. No… making him more likeable is not just an actors doing. It was a (wrong) writing and directors choice. Rickman could’ve played a more true characterisation pretty well too, without making him likeable
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 I'm not sure he was likeable. I didn't want o go have a pint with the guy, we was pretty awful. BU the actor did such a good job of playing the character that we loved to hate him. It wasn't until we knew more about his history with Lily at the end that we understood and then learned to like him. But I will die on the hill that the driving force in the Snape we got on film was more Alan Rickman and his acting choices and less so writing and directing cues.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656theres a difference between likeable characters and well played characters. If I was actually a student at Hogwarts (in the movie), I still probably would have hated Snape, because he sucked. But as a viewer, Alan managed to create a lot of depth, emotion and personality in Snape, so much so that it turned an unlikeable character into sort of an antihero. Yes, the directing and writing obviously played a part, but if someone else who put less humanity into Snape was the actor, there would definitely be a totally different view on movie Snape.
He never even said he wasn’t cool with it anymore. He just wanted Lily to be the exception and be spared. Then he spent the rest of his life being blackmailed by Dumbledore to avoid the consequences of his actions.
Remember in the books when Snape gleefully told Neville to feed his potion to Trevor, knowing that Neville wouldn't be able to properly brew it and Snape just wanted to watch this child murder his own pet. And then he got angry because Trevor didn't die.
@@ritaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Movie 8 really gave her the book Minerva vibes, but yeah honestly, she should've been more in movie 5. The career advice scene not being in the movie is a crime, and I will not let that slide.
One my favourite lines from her (from the books) “Take Charms,” said Professor McGonagall “and I shall drop Augusta a line reminding her that just because she failed her Charms O.W.L., the subject is not entirely worthless.”
Book McGonagall is more like movie Snape. Blunt, straightforward, strong, resilient, and a little scary (but obviously more good and fair than movie Snape). I feel that movie McGonagall is more watered down, but still good!
It was played for laughs, but this man was so unbelievably abusive that he was Neville Longbottom’s worst fear as a boggart. That’s after Voldemort, that’s after what Bellatrix did to his parents. If I were a professor and found out, I would take every action possible.
Broh, he knew Bellatrix tortured his parents but he did not see it, he knew about how psychotic Voldy was but he had not witnessed it like Harry so it was understandable that he feared Snape the most who literally bullied him borderlining on abuse coz he is seeing and facing it EVERY SINGLE day!!
@@saram9434he legit called her a racial slur, and after that he wondered why she settled for James. James WAS a bully, but changed. he became mature, joined an organisation to fight a mass murderer. Snape joined the mass murderer, and bullied children because he got friendzoned 20 years ago
The actor said he wanted to make Snape more than just a plain evil bully, that's why he's far more morally grey in they movies. Personally I love that, it makes for a more interesting character to me.
I agree. And it also makes it (slightly) more understandable why Harry grew to respect him so much as to name one of his children after him (which in my opinion is still too far lol). I've always felt that his redemption fit better with movie Snape, whereas book Snape's redemption was basically Rowling trying to justify the actions of a genuinely horrible person because he "loved Lily"
i mean sure but it also paints james in a really bad light. james potter was never a bully, only ever dunked on snape because he harrased lily and called her slurs. so i feel like bc he's more likeable, it makes you want to hate james, even though their rivalry was completely mutual.
Yeah. Rickman gave us this subtle awkward change in Snape afterwards. We could imagine that Snape recognized Harry's similar upbringing and softened a bit towards him after the initial anger at Harry's indiscretion. The "like a pig for slaughter line" carried so much meaning in the film. Book Shape is like "Don't care. I've already decided I despise you."
I like though that in the book Voldy was like "yeah man you can have her" then got to the house and goes all "Aw c'mon mooooove... Meh whatever sorry Snape. AVA..."
I literally thought shit I am way misremembering this because I thought this too!!! Granted I may still be wrong but at least I know I'm not the only one lol😅
@@miguelenzodia7885 nothing in harry potter is on luck by chance everything has a meaning. Voldemort just kill people because they are in his way, harry said this in book 7 and he gave lily a chance to move but she didn't so he killed her. He never can think that killing is bad and that is his biggest weakness ( Dumbledore also said this)
Yessss, I still remember Sorcerer's Stone where you have Rickman as Snape - tall, built Snape dressed very sleek in all black, gorgeous hair (instead of the stringy, disgusting hair he would have in the books), that aquiline nose, those dark eyes. 10/10 would let movie Snape quaffle my snitch
I'm a book based fan through and through... but I still fancy the guy being the character ridden with flaws as he is. He's a very dynamic person with many dimensions. Which makes him very alive.
My favourite Snape book moment was when Hermione’s teeth grew due to a misdirected hex and he said that he saw no difference, leaving Malfoy unpunished
The book also made me not particularly like Dumbledore either. Snape should never have been a teacher he wasn’t fit for it at all. He completely favored his house and allowed his students to get away with a lot. I mean sure he was powerful but a good teacher no. The only reason he was is so Dumbledore could keep an eye on him which isn’t a great reason to allow him to taunt and ridicule students he doesn’t like.
@@lscales6131 but isn't one of the arguments of the books that Dumbledore has difficulty finding good teachers? The only time Snape seemed like a normal teacher was when death eaters overrode the school.
@@raina2319 no he has a tough time keeping DADA teachers.other than that nothing is ever said in the books about having a tough time finding other teachers. In fact it seems other than that specific class all other teachers were there for a while.
That's not the point at all, the point is that Snivellus bastard was willing to sacrifice an innocent man and A BABY, I repeat, A BABY, just to keep Lily alive so he could have her and do who knows what disgusting shit.
Fun fact: Voldemort didn’t actually tell Snape no at all. Voldemort intended to spare Lily for Snape and only resorted to killing her when she refused to step aside as he was trying to kill Harry.
@@priscillajimenez27 Well, if he can’t sometimes bring back an entire human being as a present for his creepy informant, after killing her family and before exterminating her race, he’s not a fun employer, is he?
@@rji9488 Tonks was in love, was told “no”, Patronus changed. James was in love, was not rejected anymore after he changed himself, Patronus did not change. Snape was in love, was told “no”, Patronus changed. Either consent gets in the way of “true love”, or there’s something one-sided going on when Patroni change. Notably, James changed himself for Lily, not his Patronus.
In the films he is just the 'mean teacher', in the books you get serveral scenes of him heavily bullying his students (like with Hermione's teeth) Also: Neville's greatest fear in life is a Snape. He grew up in the wizarding world knowing all kinds of monsters are real and his parents were literally tortured to death and still his greatest fear is his teacher. That would tell me all I need to know about that guy
Strongly disagree with the Neville argument (a quite common one) : he's not AFRAID of the people who tortured his parents, he HATES them (book 5 when he reveals all his potential in the DA when he learns about the Lestrange and associates getting free, it says clearly he's out for blood and vengeance, not getting into DADA because he just wants to defend himself). Snape is a teacher he is afraid of as a 13 y.o boy, but the really scary people he wants to take down. That's what makes Neville such a Gryffondor in my opinion, and it is important !
Tbh, I doubt Rowling had Neville's backstory figured out in book 3. She probably just thought, "Snape would be perfect for the boggary to become. Now, which student is most likely to be afraid of Snape?", and figured Neville would do. Wasn't meant to have any deep insight behind it. Of course, it was probably just the greatest fear in the moment. And only something they could actively think of and worry about. Most of the class would probably be more terrified if they saw Voldemort (or Sirius Black) standing right in front of them, but because they didn't think about it, the boggart had no idea. For Neville, he had just come from a bad class with Snape. So of course that would be all he could think of in the moment. If he just had a class with hippogriffs, it probably would have been that instead. But yeah, Snape's bullying in the books were too far. I like to just headcanon most of those incidents away because they make Snape feel too 2D. Just a trope basically, such as the evil teacher from Matilda. It doesn't really fit the rest of Snape's character when he tries to protect his students or defends Hermione when she is called a mudblood. Maybe if we assume that all of the scenes of him bullying is the worst he has ever done? 4-5 bad incidents across six years isn't good, but much better than insulting/threatening his students regularly. I dunno.
The movies massively toned down just how awfully he treated Harry and his friends. To the point where when Harry adds "Severus" to his kid's name, it's like a slap in the face. Why not Rubeus, Harry? Hagrid was always on your side through thick and thin!
Because Hagrid was still alive. You really think it's a coincidence that all the people Harry named his sons after were dead he obviously did that to honour the people who died, if Snape lived Harry would not have named his son after him. And before you bring up Remus, Harry was obviously leaving that for Teddy to name his son if he wants
@@tanishagupta4631in the 7th book when Harry notices in Luna’s room that she has paintings of all her friends and Harry was one of them his affection for her (as a friend) rose to the surface. He cared for Luna and Neville a lot. I think the name served a dual purpose to honor both Remus and Luna but the evidence of his relationship with Luna is without a doubt there. She’s also the one who creates a distraction after he defeats Voldemort so that he can get away. She was pretty much the only one who truly understood that Harry just wanted to be normal and enjoyed peace and quiet rather than the whole show. She understood him in a way that Ron and Hermione didn’t honestly.
Remember Snape's TANTRUM when he found out that Sirius escaped getting the dementor kiss (worse than death), and the fact that he already knew that Sirius was innocent at that point?? Then he "accidentally" outed Lupin as a werewolf, making it impossible to have another job after that? Yes, I remember those too. Just a couple of the smaller examples of him being the worst.
Yup. Remus spent a life of misery basically because of him. And he's never become a jaded bully regardless. Snape should have learnt a thing or two from Remus.
Remember how Remus not bothering to take the potion that Snape made for him to keep control of himself caused him to almost murder Harry while he was transformed?
I mean, i like snape in the books too. The thing is, i don't like snape because he is a good person or anything like that, i like him because he is a complex character. Snape is not pure evil like Voldemort or completely good like harry. He is a complex man that repeatedly made bad choices when he was young because of his circumstances and while at the end he fought for the good cause because of selfish reasons he still chose to fight for the good cause. He is a grey character. Far more interesting to read and try to analyse than someone who is completely good and at the end of the day i am reading a book, the more complex a character is, the greater the chance i like him.
@@cornelia4838 Harry wasn't purely good he was reckless constantly getting his friends in trouble or almost killed and voldemorte wasn't completely evil either since he was gonna spare lily's life evil people won't spare someone
My theory behind this was the fact that Lord Voldemort was an expert in legilimency and would frequently read his follower's minds. Snape, being an expert in Occlumency, could block Lord Voldemort's attempt to enter his mind, but in doing so be a major red flag to the dark Lord. So Snape, in an attempt to successfully spy on the dark Lord, while pretending to serve him, he purposely acted like the bad guy to especially Harry and his friends, and when the dark Lord would look into his mind, he'd see a faithful servant and not a double agent. In other words, he played a role to remain in good standing with Voldemort, while spying on him.
Omg people, stop defending him! Snape wasn't pretending, he wasn't acting, that's how he is, he isn't a good guy, he doesn't care about his students nor Harry, his only interest is to revenge Lily's death
@@AverageWagie Can't believe Hogwarts still sorts students. That was the root of SO many problems, given that one house is "candidates for a supremacist group". Divide them by year instead, or by dorm request (tower, basement, dungeon, etc). Have intramural quidditch teams that students form for themselves. Voldemort's one good idea was "no more sorting".
@@towelgirl21 Rowling is a boomer with no real beliefs and she can't fathom the idea of disrupting the status quo. Her characters are just a reflection of that. The newer generations of wizards would be better off being homeschooled or assimilating into muggle society and learning magic in their free time
movie snape was just strict. he had high standards, but only really accosted the students when they did something wrong, like fly a car around London. there’s plenty of redeemable moments within the movies of him making concerned faces & even protecting the students. his “evilness” in the later series is revealed to be part of an agreed-upon plan. book snape, however, is an irredeemable prick who bullied young kids and did everything he could to make their lives hell.
Hands down one of my favorite Snape movie moments is in Prisoner of Azkaban when Lupin starts to turn, and despite everything that had been happening, Snape threw himself in front of Harry, Ron and Hermione without a moments pause
Will never forget how Herminoe got jinxed in the hallway with her teeth growing longer and longer and way past her chin and Snape literally said to this little girl "I don't see a difference". Like, jeez, Snape... Absolute irredeemable dickhead in the books for sure.
@@ladykatie3958Whereas the book version of him was still unconscious in that moment, and the first things he did after coming to were to bring Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Sirius to the castle and snitch on them to the Minister so he could get an Order of Merlin award
@@eliannevdlinden6047 snape literally attempted to poison Neville's pet and was disappointed when it did not work. Snape was cruel and should be near kids. period.
The thing I hate most about book Snape is, if he bullied Harry as much as he did solely because he looked like his dad, who bullied him, then with how much he was obsessed with Harry’s mom, I *_shudder_* to imagine what would have happened had Harry been born a girl. . .
It's still possible that she would have resembled her dad enough to trigger Snape. Perhaps even get a worse reaction for 'polluting his memories of Lily'.
treating an 11 year old like shit well into adulthood, tormenting and bullying neville, "I see no difference" to hermione in front of her classmates and friends, threatening to poison nevilles toad, biased grading and point awarding/removing in order to even the scores from when he was a student just to name a few, hes definitely a piece of work
a piece of *shit Rickman made him likeable, whereas I would run over Book!Snape with a truck, back up over him, and then run him over again for good measure.
People also tend to overlook that everyone disliked, if not hated, Snape, not just Harry. He was despised by almost all students, except for Slytherins for obvious reasons, and he never seemed to have any friends post Lily, unless you count Death Eaters. A person being that unversally disliked across literal decades doesn't happen for no reason.
@@pinkbiohazardmercurialcoll7133 As evidenced in "The Prince's Tale", the reason Dumbledore trusted Snape was because he knew his true motivation for Lily and how to manipulate that to get Snape to help take down Voldy over 17 years. Having said that, Dumbledore like everyone else did not like Snape with his exact words being "you disgust me" in reference to Snape's lack of regard for Harry and James.
How did that save Harry's life? I'm a casual watcher, onstead of a book reader, so most of the movies kind of blend together, and I can't remember a lot of the small details
@@shoca3427Voldemort gave her a chance cause of Snape's request. Him asking her to step aside several times and her refusing over and over activates the blood sacrifice. If Voldemort did not heed Snape's request and simply kills her like he did James, no matter how much Lily hides Harry behind her or not, Harry would still die when Voldemort aims his wand at him after killing Lily.
Didn't save the wizarding world... Voldemorts plan enhances the wizarding world by making wizards no longer have to live in the shadows but instead run the world so that everyone can benefit from the joys of magic
@@NoName-hg6cc would the wizarding world not be bigger if it was the whole world instead of some streets and buildings and remote locations? The issue with Voldemort is that he's racist/supremacist not the fact he believes wizards should be able to live freely out in the open. Why do you want to keep wizards tucked in the shadows like they're hiding from the Furher?
Alan Rickman’s Snape lit up our emotions for the emotionless character himself,at times he’d make you laugh without saying a word and at times he’d make you burst into tears without saying a word
Besides presenting him in a better light, the movies made Snape someone who genuinely cared about his students and even Harry deep down. Whether it’s protecting Harry in the first film, being worried about both him and Ron in the second, trying to save the whole gang from werewolf lupin in the third one or generally looking out for the safety of his students to the point even dumbledore wonders if he’s grown to care for Harry to some extent. Snape in the movies was someone people loved to watch because on the one hand he was a bit of a tool but on the other also a genuine authority figure that students feared and not just hated for being a petulant man child. This is kind of a key aspect of the “dark brooding guy that’s secretly got a heart” that a lot of people seem to like (especially those prone to fantasising and fan fics.)
Yes, and it also made him at least a person who could be working as a teacher, someone whod protect the students, because in the books how tf does that guy still have his job. A strict stern teacher can be fine, But a teacher who actively bullies kids just doesnt make sense that hed be in that job, parents would complain.
@@cheesypies Darling, by Hogwarts's standards, Snape was one of the top 5 teachers there and a mildly strict one at that. He certainly doesn't beat or physically endanger his students, unlike Book McGonagall and other Hogwarts teachers. By Asian parents/teachers standards, Book Severus Snape is a freaking softie. I went to boarding school in India. I know what the fvck I'm talking about. By 1990s British boarding school standards, Snape would been considered the norm or a tad bit better than the norm. By 1970s British boarding school standards (which was when Rowling was a student), Book Snape would've been considered an excellent teacher. If the parents heard their children's specific complaints about Snape, they'd tell their kids off for complaining about how soft Snape treats them compared to how their Hogwarts teachers used to discipline and punish them in the past, which was much harsher. And yes, that includes McGonagall. A common problem I find with people who try to label Snape as a "bully" teacher is that not only do not factor in the cultural and historical context but they don't even consistently apply those 2020s moral standards on the rest of the Hogwarts teacher, who often do worse things than Snape as a teacher does in the books.
I don't understand - literally all of this is there in the books too, none of it was made up for the movies. Even the scene with Dumbledore questioning whether Snape came to care for Harry plays out exactly the same in both the movie and the book. In fact, while the movies show that he did everything he did for love, the books go further and imply that his motivations grew beyond just that over the years.
Snape in the books was literally "that guy" who got bullied, so he grew up and became a teacher specifically so that he could bully children that reminded him of his bullies.
@@DkKombo Not a great thing for a person to admit. Bulling children makes him worse than the peers that did it to him. Hence the death eater, constant regret, and forever alone shit.
@@DkKombo you know, the entire point was that he could have changed his life, and walked away at any moment, but he didn't because he was following the dieing wish of the woman he loved. What's your excuse?
@@awesomesause Not assuming shit about other people? I relate to getting bullied and having issues with that, nit doing all that you psychopath. People excuse themselves of the most heinous accusations I swear.
I am a book lover but I think Snape was one of the best antagonist ever written. I am not a Snape apologist but I will forever admire just how complex his character was. It wasn't just him being a bully or mean, there were many layers to his character. His character showed that humans aren't just black or white.
@@yellowstickers394 I think people just can't comprehend that real human beings would be like Snape, people will make mistakes, be petty for revenge but also try to redeem themselves when they realise the severity of their mistake.
Exactly! Humans are "good" or "evil". They are human with the capability to do good AND evil, and most fall somewhere in between. Snape portrays that very well. Anyone who thinks differently honestly I think has a very naïve view on people and life in general.
THANK YOU. I personally ADORE Snape's character. Every layer you peel back on him theres another one underneath you get to look at and puzzle through. He was not a good person, but he wasn't a demonic monster either like some people make him out to be. Hes so grey and squished in between those two its so interesting to dig into his character
What I think can't be overlooked though is how much Voldemort respected Snape to the degree that he would even consider the idea of sparing a muggleborn's life for his sake, let alone make an active effort to fulfil his end of the bargain.
So glad you pointed out that Snape was TOTALLY cool with murdering a husband and baby, and his thought she’d just run away and not sacrifice herself for her son so she could be HIS widowed bride. Book Snape was a psychopath.
Yeah but books talk about the bullying from James Potter and his friends, don't forget they somehow made him dark and angry while he was just a weird kid with some discreet darkness... Wasn't he?
He couldn't have pleaded for the baby, considering he is the boy of the prophecy and well, her husband bullied him relentlessly. Not justifying his action though!
Movie Snaps: cares for Harry Book Snape: *tut tut* “Fame clearly isn’t everything” Edit: I was not expecting a war in the comments over whether Snape was nice or not 😭😭
@@priscillajimenez27 But he was also a lot nastier in the books, and to everyone, not just Harry. The movies cut out a ton of that, which made movie Snape a tolerable character. Book Snape, on the other hand... well. Is it any wonder that people who've read the are books STILL in disbelief over what Harry named his kid?
@@okbooo but Harry’s children was named by J.K, in the “19 years later” short in her book or whatsoever, and end with Harry waving goodbye to his children. Cursed child was just based on that, or at least have that as an opening
@@raerohan4241 because real people is nasty but also admirable, it's complicated... Harry named his son Snape cause the dude literally saves his life like 6 or 7 times... what I find funny is people getting angry or confused over snape is the exact reason why Hollywood tries its consumers as idiots they knew a complex character as Snape is not what people wants when they watch movies... they want role models and Harry Potter books are not about role models, even harry is not one, the guy basically should have ended in Azkaban following the moral and laws of the wizard world.
“If she means so much to you,” said Dumbledore, “surely Lord Voldemort will spare her? Could you not ask for mercy for the mother, in exchange for the son?” “I have - I have asked him -” “You disgust me,” said Dumbledore, and Harry had never heard so much contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little. “You do not care, then, about the deaths of her husband and child? They can die, as long as you have what you want?” Snape said nothing, but merely looked up at Dumbledore. “Hide them all, then,” he croaked. “Keep her - them - safe. Please.”
People sometimes get mad at Dumbledore after that for saying "what will you give in return", but he's tricking Snape with that line, he'd do it anyway, I imagine that the earlier line had a similar meaning.
@@harringt100 "Why didn't you ask him to spare her?" or something along those lines.I imagine Dumbledore is just dumbfounded with why Snape was even there.
Neville did well in his Potions OWL because for the first time he could relax without Snape being around. Snape's bullying of children for 16 years ruined multiple people's potions education. And Dumbledore was cool with it.
@@davidornelas5199 absolutely. I hated it. Yeah, he saved Harry and was only pretending to be on the dark side to get information and mislead Voldemort but before all that, he was still an abusive sadist that liked to bully children. Nothing changes that.
Because Harry is very forgiving. He's proved it many times (he forgave Ernie, who accused him of trying to murder Muggleborns, for instance). I know I would've never forgiven Snape, had I been in his shoes.
Ummmm...how did he beat Neville when he never physically touched him. Was he down right nasty to Neville sometimes, yeah, but then again Neville was consistently causing his cauldrons to melt, and having his potions explode...so, I'd say some of Snape's nastiness towards Nevilke was justified. I also find it funny how people love to point out Snape's nastiness to Neville, but fail to mention his own family's nastiness, especially his Grandmother's, whom he seems to constantly have nightmares about.
@@lxena8033 “beat Neville’s ass” is a metaphor for saying that Snape kept being unreasonable against Neville, i personally dpnt read the books but i think the reason why people don’t mention his grandmother was because everyone know that she’s bad while Snape is known to be bad only in the books
@@lxena8033 No, none of Snapes nastiness towards Neville was justified. The core point really is that Snape is a horribly mean and bad teacher, who doesn't even teach his students anything. All he does is write recipes on the board and every student is on their own. No teaching, no discurs, no discussions over potions in general no questions allowed either.. He is a bad teacher and how is Neville supposed to get better or really any student in his class if he doesn't teach them his own subject? He is nothing but a mere bitter bully who mentally tortures these poor students without repercussions and Dumbledore let's him. -.- Really anybody of these teachers let's him do his thing without talking to the school board or trying to change anything.. uff sry I'm kinda getting angry on this subject 😅 He is somewhat of a complicated & multi layered character in some aspects but he should have NEVER ever have become a teacher.
Actually I read somewhere where the prophecy had a chance of being Neville rather than Harry. So I think Snape held some resentment towards Neville for not having died instead of Lily. Well it doesn't excuse how he treated him Snape did technically have a reason
My main source of hatred for Snape comes from J.K stating that the only reason Snape is so cruel to Neville is because Voldie didn’t target him instead of Harry
Rowling has a HILLARIOUS tendency to make her own books even worse with every retcon. . Like remember how the books just assumed wizards used the bathroom like everyone else?... Well according to JKRowling Wizards just poop on the floor (or their own pants) and magic it away.
Books : Snape was the embodiment of no good in him He killed Neville's pet because he just hated Neville without a reason Edit : he almost killed Neville's pet But he still hated almost every student
@@noahtheonlynormalone Correction, he *almost* killed Neville's pet. Fully intended to, but Hermione bailed Neville out with the antidote... which pissed Snape off, of course.
That "I joined them and then I realised maybe this is wrong" isnt a bad thing. At least he realised. Even though his disagreement was still only half hearted
It was the right call but for the wrong reasons. He still agreed with their philosophy but considered Lily an 'exception' which makes him a hypocrite as he was perfectly willing to be complicit in the extermination of hundreds of mud-bloods as long as she was alive without even considering that all those other people that he was helping to kill had loved ones of their own.
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Alan Rickman is the reason why people love the movie Snape.
That part
I loved book snape too
Same with Tom Felton and Draco
The most important reason 🤭
Facts
Movies portrayed him as "A strict teacher who happens to be an asshole from time to time"
Books portray him as "An asshole who happens to be a strict teacher from time to time."
Book Snape is a "little" bit more then Asshole. He literally bullies his studens all the time to the point im wondering if they think about drowning themselfs in the next potion.
Isn't James Potter the bully?
@@vincentangwyn2144 He was one until 5 or 6 year of hogwarts
James bullied him, stole his crush, and harry had the spitting image of him..
Well, what a terrible reason to be a bully himself..
(Geez, i'm sorry for my grammar, you guys are relentless)
@@vincentangwyn2144 and what did neville do? And what did hermione do? And rest of the gryffindors? And in fact, snape made lily to leave him himself. She hated james, when she ended their friendsip. James bullied people which attended slytherin, admired voldemort and practiced dark magic on their classmates. But he was a brave, loyal and honest, hated evil, were absolutely dedicated to his friends, and sacrificed himself for others multiple times - even for his enemy! As well he hated snape because lily was his crush too.
Would you bully a little kid, and all of his friends in the world, just because his dad wasn't nice to you?
Alan Rickman is endlessly charming and that's the real problem
No the real problem is you !!
Literally every Snape fan I've interacted with, as a fellow Snape fan, like Book Snape more than Film Snape. Alan Rickman is a bonus and did a phenomenal acting performance but the vast majority of Snape fans I know (who tend to be older, female/male/non-binary,, and/or queer) prefer Book Snape because of how much depth is given to his personality and his severely abusive background that shaped him and radicalized him into who he was. Book Snape's home life growing up was so bad that an 8 year old Snape would've switched places with Harry because the mistreatment of the Dursleys was still better than how Snape's own parents and his childhood and adolescence treated Snape, by pretty much evey metric. THINK about that.
Also, by Hogwarts's standards, Snaoe was one of the top 5 teachers there and a mildly strict one at that. He certainly doesn't beat or physically endanger his students, unlike Book McGonagall and other Hogwarts teachers.
By Asian parents/teachers standards, Book Severus Snape is a freaking softie. I went to boarding school in India. I know wgat the fvck I'm talking about.
A reason that a lot of Snape fans like Snape, besides the fact that they've actually read the books and critically thought about it (the same of which can't be said of the vast majority of Snape haters), is that it's not hard to sympathize with 1 of the 2 canonical male victims of sexual assault in the series.
The reason why Snape hated James Potter is because James was his bully, tormentor, and sexual assaulter. In the books, James publicly sexually assaulted Snape by stripping off Snape's underwear and exposing his genitalia to a baying crowd, which is SA. Sirius and Remus don't even _try_ to deny it or claim that James didn't go through with it.
James Potter was the Wizarding version of Brock Turner, exceot worse in every way. Because unlike James Potter, Brock Turner didn't relentlessly bully his SA victim for years before he SA'd them, he didn't do his SA in public, and he certainly didn't get away with it.
@@ajiththomas2465well said!
@@ajiththomas2465 The difference being it seems James grew up and stopped being an asshole while Snape used his suffering as an excuse to inflict it on others, including becoming the wizard equivalent of a Nazi. I'd also point out when Lilly did try to help him he just shouted slurs at her.
Sympathy only gets you so far and Snape walked up to that line, spat on it and then did a long jump over it. Being a victim doesn't give you a pass to victimise others.
Also notice for all his flaws, Harry didn't let his abuse make him into an abuser.
@@shadenox8164
"James grew up and stopped being an asshole"
According to who? Sirius and Remus, the man's best friends and fellow bullies?
Sirius and Lupin were James’ best friends and accomplices in the bullying, so asking them to be impartial is like asking an accomplice to a crime to be an impartial witness towards the defense. On top of this, Sirius and Lupin have a history of lying to make themselves look better and make Snape look worse. And JK Rowling already confirmed that James bullied Snape for things like being jealous of his friendship with Lily.
Given Sirius and Lupin's bias towards James and proven history of lying to make themselves look better at the expense of the victim, their word doesn't carry a lot of credibility. To believe Sirius and Lupin when they say Snape started is like believing someone who
A. was an accomplice to the crime,
B. was best friends with the main perpetrator,
C. has demonstrated a history of lying and changing stories to make themselves look good,
D. there is video evidence to back up the victims claims.
We're never given any evidence, other than claims from Sirius and Lupin, who were accomplices to the bullying themselves, that Snape was equally bad as them. Or for that matter, that James Potter had allegedly "grown up and stopped being an asshole".
The victim is still the victim, no matter how good they are at self-defense. The fact that Snape actually decided to fight back against someone who’s relentlessly bullied him for years and who sexually assaulted in public and got away with it, does not magically take away Snape’s status as a victim of James’ bullying and tormenting.
Whatever mellowing that James had must not have been that major, if Sirius, the biggest dickrider for James there is, could only say that James’ head “deflated a bit”. Not a lot but _a bit_ and that’s coming from the dude’s biggest supporter and defender. The idea that James grew up a lot falls apart when Harry applied the slightest bit of scrutiny and questioning to Sirius and Remus’ claims in their Floo chat.
Harry’s questions and how Remus and Sirius chose to answer them are very important. That conversation as a whole shows them victim blaming (eg saying Snape “gave as good as he got”, then hastily switching tactics when Harry points out that they attacked Snape unprovoked bc Sirius said he was bored). It shows them making excuses which Harry calls them out on (saying “he was only fifteen”, aka “boys will be boys”, to which Harry angrily responds “I’m fifteen!”). It shows them contradicting themselves when Harry asks them pointed questions *(saying Lily only dated James when he stopped hexing people for the fun of it, but admitting that James continued bullying Snape and hid it from Lily when Harry presses them). That pokes a hole in the claim that James had truly grown up and matured when Lily started dating him. He didn’t truly change, not really, he simply got better at hiding his flaws from Lily rather than actually correcting his flaws.* Harry isn’t mollified by their excuses, and it disturbs me when readers are. Because everything Remus and Sirius say in that chapter reads like a road map of abuse/bullying/sexual violence apologia, and I’ve heard literally every single one of their excuses used to cover for real life offenders. (cont below)
Including “he’s a family guy” and “a good girl like her wouldn’t marry him if he did something like that”. I’m tired of that attitude, because it very easily switches around to “you should have known better”. Somehow the responsibility always ends up on the partner’s shoulders, as if the partner is omniscient. Well, Lily isn’t omniscient. She couldn’t be aware of something that, as Remus and Sirius said, James kept hidden from her and the staff, something he could easily do thanks to his Invisibility Cloak and the Marauder’s Map. She. Did. Not. Know. Her decision to date and marry James reflects absolutely nothing about James’ character. Only James’ actions have any reflection on James’ character.
And Lily is NOT the freaking barometer of what is good and bad in the world. She’s not a trophy or an object or a Moral MacGuffin like Excalibur or the MCU Mjolnir. Above her womb is not some inscription that states that “Only the worthy may rest their wand inside her sheath”. Just because she dated and married him is not an indicator that James went through some deep moral change. She could just have shit taste in men. The idea of her being too pure for the earth, the Myth of St. Lily Potter as I call it, was debunked in Snape’s Pensieve memories. I mean, this is the same woman who dated and married the guy who had bullied and sexually assaulted her former best friend. She ain’t the barometer of moral purity is all I’m saying.
James and his friends were just bullies who bullied Snape because, as James so eloquently put it, “he existed”. That’s it. It was bullying, not a rivalry. It was so obviously bullying that even the co-bullies Sirius and Remus can only give the most flaccid of excuses that Harry instantly tears apart. Just because Snape fought back doesn’t make the bullying invalid. The victim is still the victim, no matter how good they are at self-defense.
As for the claims that James “matured” or “grew up” or “got over it”. Yeah, because _he’s the abuser_ . Of course he got over it. He never had to deal with being a poor mixed kid in a House full of purebloods pressuring him to join what they thought at the time was a political movement, abused at home and “relentlessly bullied” (direct from Remus Lupin’s Pottermore page) for seven years, nonstop. (btw Sirius, while talking about Regulus joining the Death Eaters, mentions that none of them actually knew about anything but the political agenda. If the Purebloods didn’t know, how the hell would Snape?)
Abusers “get over it.” They pretend it didn’t happen. Deny it happened. That’s what happens. The abused? Yeah. They don’t get over it. They just don’t.
Simply “stopping” the abuse does nothing for the actual harm caused to victims from said abuse. The abuse was done. You don’t get a Medal for simply “not doing” the thing that traumatized a person. Like good for you, you “stopped” harassing someone but this does nothing to negate the harassment you already caused. If a man who had physically and mentally abused their spouse and children for years and then suddenly stopped, is that somehow worthy of a medal? In order to receive redemption one must not only stop the hurtful actions, but try to make up for them/apologize to the victim/attempt reparations.
This is why I simply don’t understand the argument that James “changed” while Severus didn’t. James “stopped” bullying Severus (he really just did it behind Lily’s back I think but assuming he did stop) he:
- Never once apologized to Severus for any of the traumatic shit he put him through which would have been the bare minimum considering everything that happened.
-Never made up for the things he did to Severus via any other means. The fact that the rest of the Marauders never do so either or even attempt to tells a lot about how all 4 of them views what happened to Severus (spoiler alert: they think he deserved it…not exactly remorseful)
Therefore, simply “stopping” the abuse means absolutely nothing to me in terms of James “changing” or “maturing” and offers no evidence he even attempted it. Merely got better at hiding it.
Lastly, victims are NEVER obligated to forgive their abusers. Even if James had done both of the above that would not obligate Severus to forgive him for the abuse he put him through, especially after the minor sexual assault. People acting like Severus is a “bad” victim for harboring resentment for how James treated him, especially when he never once felt remorse for it is so gross to me.
James did not ever change his attitude to Severus. He just got better at hiding it. And Severus has every right to resent James for that.
Don’t forget how Snape had the audacity to call Tonks’ patronus weak because it became Lupin when his patronus became Lily.
I forgot about that!!!
You're taking his words out of context, like the fool you are
Snape is basically like allah
1 if someone matches a patronus charm that means they love the other person.
2 James bullied Snape so much and not to forget Snape's family was so bad and then he gets his girl.
C'mon man. It's a wonder he didn't lead the deatheaters after the first wizarding war.
@@KhryptiKso? What kind of a bullshit excuse is that?!?!
“You are a disgusting little man.” Dumbledore said calmly with a twinkle in his eyes.
Well, tbf, a lot of things Dumbledore has done are only a little less disgusting. 😂
FR 😂 the book never ceases to mention that twinkle
Movie translation: “YOOOUU ARRREEEE A DISGUSTING LITTLE MAAAAN!!!” *Dumbledore thundered*
@@olivel89as he makes a crater with Snape's body.
Hahahah
Also Alan Richman just made you feel for Snape. He was such an amazing actor. ❤
And the voice, gosh the VOICE
Definitely. Alan Rickman had a lot of charisma. He probably could have even made Voldemort seem almost likable if he was cast as him, haha.
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Right. We love Alan Rickman, not Snape.
Can we love the actress that played Dolores too?
I love how she actually portrayed the age difference between the book and movie depictions of the character
Right?!? I love Alan Rickman and he did a great Snape IF Snape was much older! Snape in book one is 32 years old!
@@allshookup1640 32? really? i thought he went to school with harries parents. how does that work out? did they conceive harry in their teens?
@@hidingdissident they were around 20 😊
@@hidingdissident James and Lily were in their very early 20s when they died and had Harry around 20 years old.
Yes, when they were 19. Harry was born when they were 20 and they died a year later.
Man is so scary that he’s Neville’s worst fear 💀
Fr like he was more scary than BELLATRIX to Neville 😭
@@M1NN13thekitty Bellatrix, who tortured Neville’s parents to literal insanity and caused them to be in St. Mungo’s for the remainder of their lives and the fact that Neville’s worst fear is SNAPE definitely says something 😭
@@Yoitsxirii ikr
Neville isn't the bravest warrior in all fiction for that matter
@@hashimhussain5566 real he was such a bully and he even threatened Harry with Veritaserum once in GOF 😭
Actually Voldemort was like "yeah sure buddy, whatever floats your boat" and then Lily argued with him about it for like 5 seconds and he said "the hell with this, Snape will get over it".
that tiny little betrayal of murdering somebody caused his downfall.
Yeah, Voldemort never understood how serious Snape was about Lily.
😂
Facts
Ok ... This is the best comment I have ever read period. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And afterwards
Voldemort to Snape: sorry home boy she was being irresponsible
I think the charisma of Alan Rickman altered how Snape was written
It was very hard to not love Alan Rickman...
He did. She who must not be named admitted to that much before she went completely off the rails.
@Alchemy Saga went off the rails or is obe of the few on the rails after so many gone off
@@alchemysaga3745 who? The author?
@@torinodeguzman4243 who are you guys talking about?
"i'd actually prefer it if you avada kedavra the husband" lol the best one
I mean.....can't really blame him for THAT. Plenty of other things to blame him for. But not wanting James avada kedavra'd
@@Mark-xh8md yeah James is a huge jerk to snape in the books
@@pineapplegamer6986 true, but to Avada kedavra him in front of his wife and newborn son? Really!?😂😂
@@Mark-xh8md idk man advocating for his brutal murder in front of his wife is a wee bit far dont you think?
@@katierasburn9571 James made Snape's life a living hell for years, which affected him negatively decades later. I stand by the statement
I think the reasonthey changed it so much is so that his death would actually have more impact. They wanted people to cry when he died, not go "HIP HIP HOORAY! THE BASTARD IS DEAD!!"
Well yeah, and I'm no Snape defender nor fan but truly his death in the Book is so horrible I wouldn't wish it on anyone character and it kind of hurt in a weird way because it was still someone close to Harry. Even after witnessing that, Harry and Hermione can't say a word to each other. Although I always thought he was still playing for Dumbledore and I might have been biased towards that when I read it originally.
I mean I didnt really like Snape at the point of his death, in the books and I wasn't like "HIP HOP HOORAY! THE BASTARD IS DEAD!!" I was like,"Damn, that was kind of brutal, did voldy really need to kill him like that?"
Which is in fact pretty much what I did when I first read the books and got to his death
Yeah as a Harry Potter book fan I can confirm that at Snapes death I was like: "LET"S GO SUCK IT SNAPE"
I read the books before the movies came along and I assure you that I did not go “HIP HOP HOORAY!” when Snape died.
Dumbledore literally called him pathetic in this scene in the book
Yes! Dumbledore is basically like, 'even this is too much audacity for me, and believe me, I have a lot.' I understand why this got cut down in the film, though. It's a different medium and the film would've grinded to a halt.
Me if I was Dumbledore after hearing him say that
Me: Avada Kedavra
I think it was worse actually. He said that Snape ‘disgusted him’ to his face.
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True that was funny
Plus the movies really watered down the bullying he did on random ass kids just because they breathed the same air as harry
literally wth did Hermione and Neville do 💀
Snape had it out for Neville every single class
Yea movie Snape was great while Book Snape was a piece of 🗑️
@@mena4397 it's not like Harry and Ron did anything in the first place 💀💀💀 he had it out for them from day one
@@hawkeye0378 probably cuz he wished he died instead and lily would've lived
Movie Snape was basically just a stern teacher. Book Snape was a whole other animal.
Exactly! When I started reading the books (after having watched the movies countless times) Snape confused the heck out of me.😂 I was like “Dude! Calm the f*ck down!😳
@@rasmuspetervammenrsns3353 And me watching the movies going, "Wow, they've really tamed him down." 🤣🤣
Hella! Book Snape was so much more despising and really just on 1000
Yeah, there is a reason why Neville's greatest fear is Snape.
I still not getting why people hate so much the is far more unlikable yes but kinda every single character it is in the book.
To his credit, Voldemort did try to spare Lily. He gave her multiple chances to step aside, which is what allowed her sacrifice to count while James' didn't. He was going to die that night no matter what, but Lily had a choice. She was just unwaveringly loving to her son, despite how futile it may have seemed in the moment
But you can't tell me vordamort was going to spare lily seeming she mudblood he was going to kill her either way
What do you mean by " He was going to die that night no Matter what"....?!
@Harshuuu007 lily was going to die either way as vodamort wanted to wipe put all the half bloody and mudblood so she would of been killed by vodamort either way because snape asked for lily to survive don't mean vodamort was going to let her live
@@kingludacris4202 He told her to step aside multiple times and to let him kill her son, but she tried to protect Harry and died.
@@kingludacris4202 He was only willing to try and spare her because Snape asked, if he wasn't going to try and honour that, he wouldn't have given her the opportunity to step aside.
"You are a disgusting little man"
- Dumbledore said calmly 😛
lol good one xD
Nononono I’m dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*hires to become a teacher anyway*
Dumbledore had no room to talk either though, he wasn't exactly innocent himself
We are never getting over this.
Voldemort actually was going to leave Lily alive as a slight courtesy to Snape, it's why he told her to move aside, but he doesn't have any heart in him so when she didn't comply he obviously killed her. I find that great, by offering her a way out he enabled the protection spell that kept Harry safe from him all those years
Omg Snape helped saved baby Harry's life....😮
@@aliciaaaa2154 unknowingly, but yes haha. And so did Voldy
@@aliciaaaa2154 He was a good guy after all!
The spell is described that if you got killed by the curse in order to protect a loved one, it will save the loved one. if he gave her a second choice doesnt matter. So ore so harry whould have been protected.
@Loony Singer it does matter. James died protecting them and that didn't count. She very clearly sacrificed herself for her son after being given an option to save herself
don't forget the lack of shampoo, the light literally reflected off his hair in both books and movies lmao
I dumped like half a bottle of hair oil on my head in an attempt to recreate it and the camera barely picked it up 😭😂 at least my hair is well conditioned now 🥲
@@magicbymikaila giving me ideas now 🤔
True... To be honest there are a lot of things you can put the blame on him for in the books, but most of those things were ignored in the movies...
Let's turn him into a sad backstory character... Which I believe was only created after Rickman askes for Snapes backstory.
Also described as having crooked yellow teeth. In the magical world as and adult that is a choice.
@Magic By Mikaila don't worry you looked slimy af!!
Dumbledore calling Snape a little man is the funniest thing I've heard all day
In the books, during when Snape went to Dumbledore after the Potter incident, Dumbledore legit called him out and was like “you pathetic man.”
@Npc.is.here He never said that. He said “you disgust me” that’s all.
Did you even read the books?
@@ChelseaChfy-ex1po I did, and I summarized what he said. Do you really think I can perfectly quote the books? I’ve read them multiple times, yet you don’t see me getting it exactly right. I was legitimately paraphrasing. Get ahold of yourself.
@@ChelseaChfy-ex1po Plus, I said “was like”, so, like I said, I was paraphrasing.
It’s actually worse because Voldemort said yes, but Snape knows Lily would not just sit there while her husband and son were murdered 😂
I thought it was because he didn’t trust Voldemort to keep his word…
Yes like, did he really think Lily would be happy to date him when she knew he was the reason her husband and son were dead?
@@valeriazenoni6478 I didn’t know voldemort wanted to date Lily 😮
@@emmamorley1836 I’m sorry but your comment made me laugh out loud
@@emmamorley1836 voldy didn’t want to date lily. Snape wanted to be with lily. Snape was also the one who told the prophecy about lily’s son to voldy. Also Snape said it’s fine that James and Harry die so long as lily survives. Ergo it would be partially Snape’s fault that james and Harry would die. Thus, lily wouldn’t want to date Snape
Technically, Voldemort did try to spare Lily, but Lily was like "I WONT LET YOU KILL HARRY! NOT OVER MY DEAD BODY!"
Yep. And Voldemort was like “well, if you insist”.
Yup. He gave her several chances to live. That is the reason why Harry was able to receive Lily's protection. She had the option to live, but chose not to in hopes of protecting Harry. "Choose me, not Harry!"
Blood sacrifice only works when you willingly give your life to save others. But if you have no choice in the matter, it doesn't work.
Likewise, Harry was able to give that same protection to the students of Hogwarts because he willingly went. He could have ran away or stayed with the other students, but instead went willingly.
So really, it was Snape that accidently spelled Voldemort's doom. If he didn't make the request to spare Lily, well...Harry would just be dead. Granted, the prophecy wouldn't have been made in the first place either. They only had the prophecy because Snape was outside the door listening. Any other Death Eater, and Lily would not have been given the choice to live. Which means Voldemort would have just killed Harry. And so prophecy would end there and then (or maybe after killing Neville.)
Honestly, if Voldemort had just used that petrifying spell first seen on Neville in the first movie, he would have been able to keep Snape on his side and Harry wouldn’t have gotten the blood protection. All he had to do was immobilize Lily to kill her son, not give her options? It was just caused because Voldemort was to murder-oriented.
@@RobustPhysics Well, he gave her one chance and then was all "Oh well, I tried! Arvada Kadavra! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" 😂
Like, let's face it, if he was really that bothered about keeping her alive for Snape there would be a million and one ways he could have gotten her out of the way long enough to attack the baby without killing her. He was really half-assing that one.
The irony that if voldemort had just ignored harry, the prophecy would not have happened.
AND HE BULLIED NEVILLE UNTIL HE BECAME HIS WORST FEAR.
Imagine giving that piece of sh#t a redemption arc 🤢
YEAH snape was Neville’s worst fear over BELLATRIX LESTRANGE, The women who tortured his parents to insanity. That speaks VOLUMES.
People gotta stop saying this like it means anything. It was a boggart that takes over a person's current anxieties, not the source of all fear for a person. Characters like Bellatrix and the like were far and away from Neville, while he was exposed to Snape almost daily. Does this excuse Snape? No, he's an asshole that shouldn't have been around kids. But it doesn't make him worse than the literal villains.
@@tusherabtahee9839 you cannot chose your fears. The fact that the first thing that came to Neville's mind was Snape speaks volumes. We are not saying he was worst that she, we are saying he became the thing he most feared, even knowing about Bellatrix, he couldb't help but fear him most.
@triccele people don't fear things proportionally to the amount of harm or potential harm to them. It has more to do with proximity and discomfort than anything else. Again, Snape was an asshole that should not have been teaching children. But implying that Nevilles immediate fear of his bullying is darker than the brutal torture of his parents is plain wrong. Harry's worst fear was dementors, which didn't do nearly as much to him as Voldemort did. Also, if you don't remember, Lupin told them to think of their fear and really focus on it, so they were in some control of what the boggart turned into.
And then there's those who enjoy both and have that weird love-hate emotional circle towards Snape.
Movie Snape: grumpy introvert but still definitely a good person.
Book Snape: abusive, petulant bully who plays constant favorites and traumatizes his students by actively trying to murder their pets, and only left the magic nazis because his favorite undesirable died.
Movie Snape and book sanpe are different persons movie sanpe although movie Snape still dislike Harry he's not as harsh to him like in the books because in the movies in the Goblet of Fire movie he did Prince Harry and Ron but I'm pretty sure he's trying to to tell me the pay attention to that work movie Snape he positive moments like the time he protected the trio from Remus Lupin as at werewolf because book and Snape are different people because in the movies Snape is in love with Lily but he's not obsessed with her in the movies because in the books Snape was really obsessed with Lily and really possessive of her but in the movie Snape kill Dumbledore despair Lily and her family it's that movie sanpe shows concerns about Lilly's family He does care for Harry but however in the book Snape is an awful person he called Lily a mudblood he's obsessed with her any hate Harry because he look like James that is why I think movie sanpe is better than book sanpe
@@kkallday85 hey why did snape not teach herbologie?
Because his lilly died!
Professor Binns tried to read this comment, had a ghost stroke and died again.
HELP THE MAGIC NAZIS
THATS CRAZYYY
Wait who's pets did he kill
"You're a terrible person... anyway i'll put you to work with little kids"
Dumbledore wasn’t as bad as snape but he definitely wasn’t good either.
classic Dumbledore
@@okbooo Dumbledore in 1-6 books-
Imma very intelligent man and I love harry alot
In 7 book starting-
Alright i died and will make harry suffer a little but i still love harry
In 7 book middle-
Fuck you Harry! Die pig die
In 7 book end-
Well, i cared about him afterall
THIS^^^^^^
@@okbooo no Dumbledore was definitely worse. You just got to like him longer. But going back through the book or the movie Dumbledore is the biggest asshole
Dumbledore: “You are a disgusting little man… I’m gonna make you teach children!”
im currently reading the books and so far it makes so little sense that Dumbledore allows Snape teach at all. Harry naming his kid after him is a fricking "Black Mirror" ending if you ask me
@@siberiasianRemember, in war the morals can be a little more "loose" and Snape was loyal (and useful) to Dumbledore so yeah
Snape was risking his life being a double agent for him after all
I'm not condoning everything Snape did but he tried to protect Harry and even the Weasleys during the time he was with Voldemort after he came back but still... he really treated muggle-born students and Neville really badly. Like he only was a good person in life or death situations.
Well, childrens are really annoying, so sounds like a terrible punish for me
Very Dumbledore of Dumbledore 💆🏻♀️
The reason why I love Snape is because I watched the movies first then read the books afterwards. I pictured the characters as the actors and it’s just impossible to dislike Alan Rickman’s Snape.
That's funny I read the books after and imagined completely separate characters based of their descriptions alone after deathly hallows I still had a dislike for snape after the memories in the pensieve because the books showed he only ever cared about Lily never grew to love Harry like in the movies I think he did
@@anitabonghit7606 That’s really interesting! It’s fun how people get different perceptions and stuff from the characters in the story. Makes it good I think:)
The worst part? Voldi said yes. It's the reason he told Lily to step aside insted of just killing her is because Snape Begged for her.
And funnily enough the fact that lily had a choice to step away and chose not to is what activated the protection magic.
You mean instead of just being killed and tossed out of the way. (what really fits Voldis stile) was actually given a choice to back down but refused to?
Willingly sacrificing herself to protect her child instead of being murdered within a blink of an eye without a Chance to react?
Does that mean Snapi boy by asking to spare Lily acutally managed to save Harry instead?
@@Teufer2 Yep Yep and yep. Voldi was a kill first and spare never kind of guy, but giving this one witch the chance to back down and continuing on when she didn't is what screwed him in the end.
In fact he made this mistake twice, because when harry gave himself up willingly to voldy near the end of book 7 he activated the same kind of protection magic over the protectors of hogwarts. It's the reason Nevil can walk off having the sorting hat lit on fire while its on his head by old no nose.
And yes, Snape is the reason why harry is alive.
Never thought about ist that way. Makes sense.
@@Teufer2 she should have avada kedavrad voldi the moment he told her to step back
@@sxperbia Don't think it would have worked because he had hocruxes made.
I'm pretty sure Snape's popularity in the movie is a direct result of him being played by Alan Rickman.
I mean he is the greatest british actor of all time
He actually did give Lily the chance to step aside and didn’t kill her right away because he was honoring Snapes request
yeah but i dont think he cared much because he could've used petrificus totalus or something lol, probably didn't expect snape to actually turn on him because of it as he was definitely one of his most loyal servants at the time
@@leaf111 He was the "Dark lord" his ego probably came in between saving lily
Also, he had a strong hatred towards muggleborns. Do you really think he would have spared lily just because a mere servant/death eater (No offence..I have huge sympathy towards snape) asked him to?
@@aryamaheshwari3986 hmm. If he used some stunning spell on her, he would be able to kill Harry, actually. Mother's love protection wouldn't work if she still alive, right?
@@alyamoto9822 Yess correct..
His ego led to his downfall
@@leaf111 He also probably thought that if Snape were really loyal to him and believed in the cause, then he'd get over a "mudblood" and find a "proper" girl to "mate" with. I'm bewildered he honored his request at all.
I just dont understand how people FORGET EVRYTHING snape had done when its the ” after all this time?” ” always”
Like he was first in the darkside, he bullied students, he couldnt get over things that happened like 30 years ago, and he didnt care how much Lily would have been hurt and sad If Voldemort killed James and Harry. Snape just wanted Lily to himself.
True!
Also there is the fact that he bullied Harry, Neville and Hermione. To the point where Neville is so afraid of Snape that he does horrible in class (because no-on can tell me that the guy who is an expert in herbology wouldn't be able to use said knowledge in potions, where the half of the stuff that is used is based of plants...)
Hm... that and the movies have Rickman... and you just can't hate an actor that good!
He was actually better when Slughorn tought potions
Imelda Staunton*: Hem hem.. I beg you pardon?
*Professor Dolores Umbridge
A good actor can make you love or hate them. But Rickman was awesome nonetheless
I once saw this thing that when Snape told Voldemort to leave Lily alive, Voldemort agreed, promised him even. I think that I’m that moment, he accidentally created an unbreakable bond with Snape. He even told Lily to “move aside”. When he killed Lily, he was stripped of his magic and any of his spells would fire back at him. It just so happens that the next spell he would cast was Avada Kedavra on Harry, which fired back at him and killed him. FYI: I saw this online a few years ago, don’t remember by who though
@Alexotl the great unbreakable bonds just kill you if you try to break them. They don't strip you of your magic
Edit: typo
Actually, old Voldy did accept Snape's request to spare Lily. It's just that Lily wasn't willing to simply step aside and let her own child be AK'd.
And Snape thought she would too. Snape was despicable.
Voldemort could’ve just Stunned Lily if he really wanted to uphold his promise to Snape lol
@@Yvanehtnioj2000you're expecting a man born with the inability to feel actual love and emotions because of his mother's own selfishness to care
@@QueenofTaterTots it doesn’t matter he still promised Snape he wouldn’t kill her which means he understand the feelings of those around him at the least, and if Voldemort truly didn’t want to he could have knocked her out the way…also the fact he was basically born evil contradicts the entire story, which is your decisions make you good or bad, so I try not to think of it…
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 he wasn't *born* evil, that's not what being born under the effects of a love potion means, you're born sociopathic from it, yes but not all sociopaths are evil, it was his abuse by muggles, seeing the war and fracturing his soul so much that made him evil, horcrux creation drives the user crazier and crazier, but he was absolutely paranoid and scared of death
Book Snape: Harry you don't understand she totally friend zoned me.
😂😂😂
Also book snape: And why do you have to look like the guy I hate with every fiber of my being?!
Justified
And Harry be like: "Why tf do you gratuitously hate me considering you've never met me before, I'm done with your BS"
"Harry she totally lead me on- wait where are you going"
i liked snape in the books as well because he is a very intriging character
*comes out of hiding* Thanks.
Harry Potter: inhales air
Snape: all points from Griffindoor
Harry Potter: "Ya bloody tosser."
Dumbledore: I think Harry is cool, F the other houses Gryffindor ways wins.
@@Briselance😂😂
This man bullied a boy so bad that the boy feared him more than the people who tortured his parents into insanity. And insulted a teenage girls looks because she's friends with his dead ex-crushes son.
he was awful to neville and pretty much everyone but insinuating that he was worse to him then those that tortured his parents is just wrong and a surface level reading of the boggart scene. The boggart is a representation of something that the kid fears, In neville's case its an authority figure thats a bully or really strict/overly harsh (like his grand mother) It doesn't mean that Snape (or Neville's grand mother) are worse to neville then bellatrix or the death eaters who tortured his parents
Still crush
Dont think Neville would be scared of Voldemort or Bellatrix anyway but more so Angry and Vengeful for his parents, he wouldn’t be in Gryffindor otherwise
Dont forget the son of his former arch enemy, thats quite important
Goyle: 1 spot
Snape: Harry, detention. Goyle, hospital wing.
Hermione: literally growing puss and teeth 2466735 miles long
Snape: No difference
Never forget when he tried to murder Neville's pet toad because Neville was bad at Potions. And then punished Hermione for helping him make sure his pet didn't die.
Then when Neville says that Snape is his biggest fear, his classmates laugh as if the above scene didn't just happen twenty minutes ago.
I don't think that Trevor would die... Snape probably had antidote at hand but he was in a bad mood over Lupin and was even nastier than usual.
@@Pipic9I don't think he could have an antidote for an incorrectly brewed potion. It's likely Trevor would have just straight up died and Snape would have given Neville detention to rub salt in the would
@@CadanL i think a potion master would know what to do. probably just magic a beozar into trevors stomach
@@dainlord Yeah, but still... He knew Neville wouldn't think of that and used it to instill panic and genuine fear over a POTION.
@@Pipic9 Yeah, because bad mood excuses poisoning an animal for show, smh 💀
Alan Rickman’s back must have been made of steel carrying Snape’s arc. I ugly-laughed at that video harder than I like to admit 😂
Love that you included how much Dumbledore initially despised Snape in the books. Like literally the man withdrew none of his contempt in that interaction and then basically went "I own you" after Snape came to him post-Halloween.
Lol why did I think that was literally God judging him 🤣🤣 I realize now that was Dumbledore 💀
@@islandsicedtealmfao I definitely thought that for a sec too
my uncle bob did that to a guy, he was like I own you now b
Funny how it's actually Dumbledore who treated Harry as a pawn to be sacrificed at the right time. So, who should be really despised, I wonder?
@@nataliegladkova2629 No, no I got this.
*Despise both.*
They slightly changed the character for the movie.
In the books he's infatuated with Lily, it's creepy and disturbing.
In the movies he's in love with Lily, it's selfless and moving.
I think this slight change reframe all his actions as sacrificial love compared to the obsessive love of the books.
Alan Rickman's charisma also played a big role.
There is literally nothing creepy or disturbing about his feelings for Lily in the books, in fact, it's the movies that add the scene were he's craddling her dead body, which is far more disturbing and was never in the books.
@elisawilde8623 I dont think cradling her dead body is neccesarily creepy. If someone i loved dyed, I might end up holding there body depending on the circumstance.
@@elisawilde8623He was ok with Voldemort killing both James and Harry and had zero concerns about how that would affect Lily. I honestly doubt book Snape actually understood what love was.
Actually jk has said he was indeed capable of love. He did indeed create a patronus and that was because of his love for her. I won’t deny he was obsessive but it was love nonetheless.
His love for lilly in the books and in the movie are the same. Its not creepy at all, lilly is the love of his life. For her he changed everything and made it his life's work to protect her son and fight for the right cause at great peril to his own life.
I read the book first and he was my favourite character all the way till the last book because i sensed their was more to him than meets the eye and i was proven right.
Fans of snape like him, because he is incredibly complex and nuanced, the best anti-hero i have ever read.
No one liked him because he was some sweet little cinnamon roll(lol imagine). Its because he's a gray character and written wonderfully.
I love how you also portrayed book Snape as accurately much younger :D
You’d be surprised how much bitterness and anger can age a person.
We all forget that when the first war was going on, all of them were fresh outta hogwarts. The potters and Snape were like 21 or so.
She also made his hair greasier 😂
Your skits are what inspired me to read the series from start to finish. And when I finally got to this scene in the last book, I out loud said,
"Oh shit! He actually called him disgusting to his face!"
So glad you read them! People go on about how awesome the movies are without understanding how deep the books go. Rowling is indeed an incredibly gifted writer. So much was lost in the movies, and with different directors, so much more was lost.
An actual quote from the prisoner of Azkaban, I kid you not--
"When Snape turned and walked off to bully Neville--"
Edit: from the chamber of secrets!
To be fair, the books are framed through Harry's perspective... so it is really Harry thinking that Snape is going to bully Neville rather than the text specifically saying so.
Though, since Snape IS actually going to bully Neville, I guess it's a moot point.
I’m sorry but Harry rode a fine line between bullying Neville too. Excluding him, thinking really rude things about him, treating him like he was a burden? He didn’t stop until he learned about Neville’s parents and the prophecy.
@@dareisayit well Harry isn't obliged to like Neville? He may think whatever he wants, and if he doesn't want to be friends with someone, it's actually fine. He doesn't bully Neville and doesn't say any hurtful things to him. Can you personally say that you never, ever thought any bad things about other people? Especially as a kid/teen? If not, so, why judge Harry?
@@dareisayit No, just no. I want you to point me to the books of which this happened so that I can go find out. I have the book right here on my phone. You don’t have to lie. You could have said that Neville was never part of their friend group, so Harry didn’t really pay attention to him, but to claim that he excluded him, had rude thoughts of him, and thought he was a burden is simply bull. Why lie to make someone looked terrible to try and justify another terrible person’s actions?
When I realized that Voldy could have gone after Neville instead to fulfill the prophesy, it became more apparent why Neville was his target. (NOT an excuse!!! ...just an observation)
“You are a disgusting little man… you’re hired!”
Don't do lemon drops kids.
That's what happen when you have too much of it
Dumbledore was a student when Nigellus Black was headmaster, so maybe he learned how to be a bad headmaster from him. But even Black had a school staffed with competent teachers, so what's Dumbledore's excuse?
@@MegaKnight2012
Dumbledore knew Voldemort was going to come back, so he needed someone that could work as a double spy, Snape being the best candidate. Giving Snape a position close to himself meant that Voldemort would see Snape as a useful ally, meaning in turn Snape would be trusted with important information, which was useful for Dumbledore. Now why did he gave him a teaching position specifically, or why didn't he at least tried to step down when Snape was being an asshole to his students, idk. Dumbledore could have given him an administrative position or something instead. Maybe he thought Snape was good on the inside?
Tho i think the real answer is "because the plot demanded it, and Rowling, wheter because she couldn't, didn't wanted to, or simply didn't think about it, simply didn't gaves us a believe excuse"
@@MegaKnight2012 have you even read the books?, snape worked for dumbledore as a spy because dumbledore hid lily and james and harry for him
all for the balance of negative and positive energy right? that yin yang thing yk
Alan Rick man added a lot of moments for Snape. For instance, in the prisoner of Azkabhan, he wakes up without a wand, all angry at Harry for disarming him, but the moment he sees the werewolf, he immediately puts himself before them and shields them all. He isn't intentionally as spiteful as the books.
Yeah snape in the movie was more like a stern teacher that just done with everyone shit while in the books he basicly abuses the students he doesn't like
In the movie he is just a strict teacher who is having a caring side for his students.
@@satan3862 in the first 2 movies, he is hilarious because of the melodrama he is compared to everyone else like how he pulls up the duel all like why am I stuck with this fool
@@painvillegaming4119 to be fair…wouldn’t you have thought the same thing if you were in snapes shoes?
I love how Movie Snape has beautifully washed hair, and Book Snape's is just greasy AF 😂
Let’s not forget the time in goblet of fire where Hermione got hit with the curse and her two front teeth grew even larger and he looked at her and said he can’t even see a difference and she ran out of the classroom crying😭😂 Snape was indeed a true villain
Villain because he spoke truth?
@@kitten_with_bad_breath that isn’t the truth
😂 that was hilarious! The spell was “densuago!” Or something like that
He should have said “ey what’s up doc? Fancy a carrot?.. 😂
Oh my God I forgotten about that😂
Movie Snape : old man aiming for redemption, epic spy
Book Snape : 30+ bitter virgin treacherous teacher who hates kids
True
For newcomers and those who have not read the book , we can say that book Snape a bit like shen qingqiu 😂
@@user-kc8ml9hg1p oh that's why he's never on the top then lol
@@kaveh8642 a?
HAHA, TRUE! I love movie Snape so, so much! Mr. Rickman beautifully captured the role.
THANK YOU
Movie fans got a better Snape because... Two words: Alan Rickman.
Snape as a character was a horrible person but we loved him because of what Rickman put into him. And then of course they gave him a redemption arc at the end.
Rightly said! We fell in love with the Snape Alan Rickman created, the depth he gave to that character. And that arc is gonna be too damn different from Rowling's Snape, but who cares? Alan Rickman forever!
Err…. No… making him more likeable is not just an actors doing. It was a (wrong) writing and directors choice. Rickman could’ve played a more true characterisation pretty well too, without making him likeable
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 I'm not sure he was likeable. I didn't want o go have a pint with the guy, we was pretty awful. BU the actor did such a good job of playing the character that we loved to hate him. It wasn't until we knew more about his history with Lily at the end that we understood and then learned to like him. But I will die on the hill that the driving force in the Snape we got on film was more Alan Rickman and his acting choices and less so writing and directing cues.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656theres a difference between likeable characters and well played characters. If I was actually a student at Hogwarts (in the movie), I still probably would have hated Snape, because he sucked. But as a viewer, Alan managed to create a lot of depth, emotion and personality in Snape, so much so that it turned an unlikeable character into sort of an antihero. Yes, the directing and writing obviously played a part, but if someone else who put less humanity into Snape was the actor, there would definitely be a totally different view on movie Snape.
❤
He never even said he wasn’t cool with it anymore. He just wanted Lily to be the exception and be spared. Then he spent the rest of his life being blackmailed by Dumbledore to avoid the consequences of his actions.
Remember in the books when Snape gleefully told Neville to feed his potion to Trevor, knowing that Neville wouldn't be able to properly brew it and Snape just wanted to watch this child murder his own pet. And then he got angry because Trevor didn't die.
Then he took points from Gryifindor for Hermione helping him brew the potion correctly. 🥲
@@blackmooncultx9552 i always thought Snape did know Hermione would help Neville and he was only looking for a reason to take points from Gryffindor.
Yes in that scene, I was like: well, Trevor, now it's the right time to show your talent for ✨ESCAPING✨
i like him.
It was so clear Snape despised Neville because Voldemort didn't choose him as his enemy, and used his power to constantly abuse him for that.
That’s why Minerva is queen. She slays on both the books and the movies.
Doesn't slay enough in the movies of you ask me. But everyone likes her at least!!
@@ritaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Movie 8 really gave her the book Minerva vibes, but yeah honestly, she should've been more in movie 5. The career advice scene not being in the movie is a crime, and I will not let that slide.
don't use terms like king and queen so lightly
One my favourite lines from her (from the books)
“Take Charms,” said Professor McGonagall “and I shall drop Augusta a line reminding her that just because she failed her Charms O.W.L., the subject is not entirely worthless.”
Book McGonagall is more like movie Snape. Blunt, straightforward, strong, resilient, and a little scary (but obviously more good and fair than movie Snape). I feel that movie McGonagall is more watered down, but still good!
It was played for laughs, but this man was so unbelievably abusive that he was Neville Longbottom’s worst fear as a boggart. That’s after Voldemort, that’s after what Bellatrix did to his parents. If I were a professor and found out, I would take every action possible.
abusive to Neville for no reason 😭? like why are you beefing with a baby?? the only professor who found out was Lupin and his hands were tied
Neville is the best
When he threatened to poison Trevor 😭 or when he made him dissect the toads 😭
Broh, he knew Bellatrix tortured his parents but he did not see it, he knew about how psychotic Voldy was but he had not witnessed it like Harry so it was understandable that he feared Snape the most who literally bullied him borderlining on abuse coz he is seeing and facing it EVERY SINGLE day!!
Aww poor neville :(((
As a book fan, I confirm this is so true.
Movie Snape: loves Lily
Book Snape: obsessed with Lily
You nailed it
No, in both he loved her, she was his best friend, and he lived the rest of his life grieving her loss and atone for what he did.
@@saram9434 he called her a slur and then tried to guilt trip her about it
@@saram9434he legit called her a racial slur, and after that he wondered why she settled for James. James WAS a bully, but changed. he became mature, joined an organisation to fight a mass murderer. Snape joined the mass murderer, and bullied children because he got friendzoned 20 years ago
@@capybaraandwatermelonenjoy8208 what?!!
He didn't, he literally apologized and left her her way.
The actor said he wanted to make Snape more than just a plain evil bully, that's why he's far more morally grey in they movies. Personally I love that, it makes for a more interesting character to me.
I agree. And it also makes it (slightly) more understandable why Harry grew to respect him so much as to name one of his children after him (which in my opinion is still too far lol). I've always felt that his redemption fit better with movie Snape, whereas book Snape's redemption was basically Rowling trying to justify the actions of a genuinely horrible person because he "loved Lily"
@@maryammuhib a middle name would suffice bruh 😂
Yup, this is the one change from the books I can get behind.
I actually think it worked better
i mean sure but it also paints james in a really bad light. james potter was never a bully, only ever dunked on snape because he harrased lily and called her slurs. so i feel like bc he's more likeable, it makes you want to hate james, even though their rivalry was completely mutual.
Plus he seen all of Harry's memories and still accused him of being a bully.
Yeah. Rickman gave us this subtle awkward change in Snape afterwards. We could imagine that Snape recognized Harry's similar upbringing and softened a bit towards him after the initial anger at Harry's indiscretion. The "like a pig for slaughter line" carried so much meaning in the film.
Book Shape is like "Don't care. I've already decided I despise you."
I like though that in the book Voldy was like "yeah man you can have her" then got to the house and goes all "Aw c'mon mooooove... Meh whatever sorry Snape. AVA..."
I literally thought shit I am way misremembering this because I thought this too!!! Granted I may still be wrong but at least I know I'm not the only one lol😅
If he had petrified her, he would have wound up ruling the world lol
"Move out of the way girl!"
"NOT HARRY!"
"Welp... I tried, AVADA..."
The true lesson here is don't be lazy.
@@miguelenzodia7885 nothing in harry potter is on luck by chance everything has a meaning. Voldemort just kill people because they are in his way, harry said this in book 7 and he gave lily a chance to move but she didn't so he killed her. He never can think that killing is bad and that is his biggest weakness ( Dumbledore also said this)
Not the "you are a disgusting little man" being stupidly close to Dumbledore's actual reaction lmao
Alan Rickman also made Snape too hot for his own good. He became this silver fox when Snape is meant to be this slimy awkward guy in his 30's.
😂 yeah
Fair point.
Yessss, I still remember Sorcerer's Stone where you have Rickman as Snape - tall, built Snape dressed very sleek in all black, gorgeous hair (instead of the stringy, disgusting hair he would have in the books), that aquiline nose, those dark eyes.
10/10 would let movie Snape quaffle my snitch
Let's don't forget that J.K. Rowling chose Alan to play Snape))) So.... She wanted Snape to look like that, I assume..))
@@JENNA-ln4fh he's a great actor
I'm a book based fan through and through... but I still fancy the guy being the character ridden with flaws as he is. He's a very dynamic person with many dimensions. Which makes him very alive.
My favourite Snape book moment was when Hermione’s teeth grew due to a misdirected hex and he said that he saw no difference, leaving Malfoy unpunished
The book also made me not particularly like Dumbledore either. Snape should never have been a teacher he wasn’t fit for it at all. He completely favored his house and allowed his students to get away with a lot. I mean sure he was powerful but a good teacher no. The only reason he was is so Dumbledore could keep an eye on him which isn’t a great reason to allow him to taunt and ridicule students he doesn’t like.
@@lscales6131 but isn't one of the arguments of the books that Dumbledore has difficulty finding good teachers? The only time Snape seemed like a normal teacher was when death eaters overrode the school.
@@raina2319 no he has a tough time keeping DADA teachers.other than that nothing is ever said in the books about having a tough time finding other teachers. In fact it seems other than that specific class all other teachers were there for a while.
yeah that bad
That's actually hilarious though lmaoooooo he "saw no difference" is pretty savage
actually, he didnt say no. he never said yes either, but in the end, he did consider spare Lili, just for Snape...what a great boss.
If only he had listened to Snape, it would've been much easier for him
Voldi 2024
@@TheVirtuosoelmfao
I thought Voldemort was like "I just want the kid, the parents can step aside"
That's not the point at all, the point is that Snivellus bastard was willing to sacrifice an innocent man and A BABY, I repeat, A BABY, just to keep Lily alive so he could have her and do who knows what disgusting shit.
Fun fact: Voldemort didn’t actually tell Snape no at all. Voldemort intended to spare Lily for Snape and only resorted to killing her when she refused to step aside as he was trying to kill Harry.
that's what I thought.
criminal cares about his employees lol
@@priscillajimenez27 Well, if he can’t sometimes bring back an entire human being as a present for his creepy informant, after killing her family and before exterminating her race, he’s not a fun employer, is he?
What a great guy :)
@@cassandrabelyeu2419 again creepy informant.........creepiness does not change patronus ....true love does
@@rji9488 Tonks was in love, was told “no”, Patronus changed.
James was in love, was not rejected anymore after he changed himself, Patronus did not change.
Snape was in love, was told “no”, Patronus changed.
Either consent gets in the way of “true love”, or there’s something one-sided going on when Patroni change.
Notably, James changed himself for Lily, not his Patronus.
"When I voted for the leopards eating people's faces party..."
In the films he is just the 'mean teacher', in the books you get serveral scenes of him heavily bullying his students (like with Hermione's teeth)
Also: Neville's greatest fear in life is a Snape. He grew up in the wizarding world knowing all kinds of monsters are real and his parents were literally tortured to death and still his greatest fear is his teacher. That would tell me all I need to know about that guy
Is a death eater* paha
Tortured to insanity, not death. But good point.
@@Ophiotaurus_AKA_Bessie oh damn you're right😅 but the sentiment stands
Strongly disagree with the Neville argument (a quite common one) : he's not AFRAID of the people who tortured his parents, he HATES them (book 5 when he reveals all his potential in the DA when he learns about the Lestrange and associates getting free, it says clearly he's out for blood and vengeance, not getting into DADA because he just wants to defend himself). Snape is a teacher he is afraid of as a 13 y.o boy, but the really scary people he wants to take down. That's what makes Neville such a Gryffondor in my opinion, and it is important !
Tbh, I doubt Rowling had Neville's backstory figured out in book 3. She probably just thought, "Snape would be perfect for the boggary to become. Now, which student is most likely to be afraid of Snape?", and figured Neville would do. Wasn't meant to have any deep insight behind it.
Of course, it was probably just the greatest fear in the moment. And only something they could actively think of and worry about. Most of the class would probably be more terrified if they saw Voldemort (or Sirius Black) standing right in front of them, but because they didn't think about it, the boggart had no idea.
For Neville, he had just come from a bad class with Snape. So of course that would be all he could think of in the moment. If he just had a class with hippogriffs, it probably would have been that instead.
But yeah, Snape's bullying in the books were too far. I like to just headcanon most of those incidents away because they make Snape feel too 2D. Just a trope basically, such as the evil teacher from Matilda. It doesn't really fit the rest of Snape's character when he tries to protect his students or defends Hermione when she is called a mudblood.
Maybe if we assume that all of the scenes of him bullying is the worst he has ever done? 4-5 bad incidents across six years isn't good, but much better than insulting/threatening his students regularly.
I dunno.
The movies massively toned down just how awfully he treated Harry and his friends.
To the point where when Harry adds "Severus" to his kid's name, it's like a slap in the face.
Why not Rubeus, Harry? Hagrid was always on your side through thick and thin!
Because Hagrid was still alive. You really think it's a coincidence that all the people Harry named his sons after were dead he obviously did that to honour the people who died, if Snape lived Harry would not have named his son after him. And before you bring up Remus, Harry was obviously leaving that for Teddy to name his son if he wants
@@Eugene_Black he also named his daughter after Luna Lovegood who was very much alive
@@pisces2569 Luna was for Lupin, as in the moon. Why would he name his kid after Luna smh
@@tanishagupta4631 lmao exactly
@@tanishagupta4631in the 7th book when Harry notices in Luna’s room that she has paintings of all her friends and Harry was one of them his affection for her (as a friend) rose to the surface. He cared for Luna and Neville a lot. I think the name served a dual purpose to honor both Remus and Luna but the evidence of his relationship with Luna is without a doubt there. She’s also the one who creates a distraction after he defeats Voldemort so that he can get away. She was pretty much the only one who truly understood that Harry just wanted to be normal and enjoyed peace and quiet rather than the whole show. She understood him in a way that Ron and Hermione didn’t honestly.
Remember Snape's TANTRUM when he found out that Sirius escaped getting the dementor kiss (worse than death), and the fact that he already knew that Sirius was innocent at that point?? Then he "accidentally" outed Lupin as a werewolf, making it impossible to have another job after that? Yes, I remember those too. Just a couple of the smaller examples of him being the worst.
Fr fuck snape.
Yup. Remus spent a life of misery basically because of him. And he's never become a jaded bully regardless. Snape should have learnt a thing or two from Remus.
Remember how Remus not bothering to take the potion that Snape made for him to keep control of himself caused him to almost murder Harry while he was transformed?
@@snakebitcat Remus didn't choose to be a werewolf. Snape chose to be a Death Eater. Enough said.
@@PhebusdesTours Remus chose not to take the potion that would have stopped him from murdering Harry.
And what's even crazier is that Harry literally saw this moment and decided to name his child after him anyway
I've always said no one likes Snape. They like Alan Rickman.
Tbh I find book Snape a far more interesting character and more compelling to read about
Very true
I love both renditions to Snape he was very well written and played
I mean, i like snape in the books too. The thing is, i don't like snape because he is a good person or anything like that, i like him because he is a complex character. Snape is not pure evil like Voldemort or completely good like harry. He is a complex man that repeatedly made bad choices when he was young because of his circumstances and while at the end he fought for the good cause because of selfish reasons he still chose to fight for the good cause. He is a grey character. Far more interesting to read and try to analyse than someone who is completely good and at the end of the day i am reading a book, the more complex a character is, the greater the chance i like him.
@@cornelia4838 Harry wasn't purely good he was reckless constantly getting his friends in trouble or almost killed and voldemorte wasn't completely evil either since he was gonna spare lily's life evil people won't spare someone
Not to mention Book Snape was extremely cruel to Harry and his friends , whereas Movie Snape didn’t like Harry but tolerated him
My theory behind this was the fact that Lord Voldemort was an expert in legilimency and would frequently read his follower's minds. Snape, being an expert in Occlumency, could block Lord Voldemort's attempt to enter his mind, but in doing so be a major red flag to the dark Lord. So Snape, in an attempt to successfully spy on the dark Lord, while pretending to serve him, he purposely acted like the bad guy to especially Harry and his friends, and when the dark Lord would look into his mind, he'd see a faithful servant and not a double agent. In other words, he played a role to remain in good standing with Voldemort, while spying on him.
@@bd56Remember that Voldemort could get into Harry's mind quite easily at one point.
@@bd56And adding to the fact he actually hated Harry anyway made it easier.
Omg people, stop defending him! Snape wasn't pretending, he wasn't acting, that's how he is, he isn't a good guy, he doesn't care about his students nor Harry, his only interest is to revenge Lily's death
@patydeleon3288 During the 7 years he is a good guy. Just not a very nice person.
I like how she dressed so nice and formal as movie Snape and so sloppy as book Snape, really resonated with the movie vs. book character
He wasn’t sloppily dressed in the books
Harry, when his son was born: "Yo, Ginny! Let's name our child after the teacher literally everyone hated"
Ginny: "*.* Yeah, sure. Let's do that"
This troubles me to no end. Why would Harry name him Albus Severus..did he what hate that child?
@@arielblack6226 because Snape saved his life multiple times while looking after him for 7 years
It's better for your sanity to just ignore everything in the epilogue tbh
@@AverageWagie Can't believe Hogwarts still sorts students. That was the root of SO many problems, given that one house is "candidates for a supremacist group". Divide them by year instead, or by dorm request (tower, basement, dungeon, etc). Have intramural quidditch teams that students form for themselves. Voldemort's one good idea was "no more sorting".
@@towelgirl21 Rowling is a boomer with no real beliefs and she can't fathom the idea of disrupting the status quo. Her characters are just a reflection of that. The newer generations of wizards would be better off being homeschooled or assimilating into muggle society and learning magic in their free time
movie snape was just strict. he had high standards, but only really accosted the students when they did something wrong, like fly a car around London. there’s plenty of redeemable moments within the movies of him making concerned faces & even protecting the students. his “evilness” in the later series is revealed to be part of an agreed-upon plan. book snape, however, is an irredeemable prick who bullied young kids and did everything he could to make their lives hell.
and, the HP books were from Harry's pov. Movie, third person pov 😊
@@mnm2156that’s an interesting point
Hands down one of my favorite Snape movie moments is in Prisoner of Azkaban when Lupin starts to turn, and despite everything that had been happening, Snape threw himself in front of Harry, Ron and Hermione without a moments pause
Will never forget how Herminoe got jinxed in the hallway with her teeth growing longer and longer and way past her chin and Snape literally said to this little girl "I don't see a difference". Like, jeez, Snape... Absolute irredeemable dickhead in the books for sure.
@@ladykatie3958Whereas the book version of him was still unconscious in that moment, and the first things he did after coming to were to bring Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Sirius to the castle and snitch on them to the Minister so he could get an Order of Merlin award
he also bullied neville so hard to make himself neville’s worst fear…
@@eliannevdlinden6047 snape literally attempted to poison Neville's pet and was disappointed when it did not work. Snape was cruel and should be near kids. period.
The thing I hate most about book Snape is, if he bullied Harry as much as he did solely because he looked like his dad, who bullied him, then with how much he was obsessed with Harry’s mom, I *_shudder_* to imagine what would have happened had Harry been born a girl. . .
It's still possible that she would have resembled her dad enough to trigger Snape. Perhaps even get a worse reaction for 'polluting his memories of Lily'.
There's probably some fanfic out there with that specific scenario.
@@tim_soup7099 I checked online. It's named Her Eyes by Watermellonsmellinfellon
treating an 11 year old like shit well into adulthood, tormenting and bullying neville, "I see no difference" to hermione in front of her classmates and friends, threatening to poison nevilles toad, biased grading and point awarding/removing in order to even the scores from when he was a student just to name a few, hes definitely a piece of work
he didnt even just threaten to poison trevor he *tried* to and then took points away when hermione gave him an antidote
a piece of *shit
Rickman made him likeable, whereas I would run over Book!Snape with a truck, back up over him, and then run him over again for good measure.
Ooooh the thing when Hermione got hexed into her teeth growing was so infuriating. Just say "go to the hospital wing granger" dude
@@leaf111 lmao really I need to reread these books
@@leaf111 this hurts my heart... poor neville
People also tend to overlook that everyone disliked, if not hated, Snape, not just Harry. He was despised by almost all students, except for Slytherins for obvious reasons, and he never seemed to have any friends post Lily, unless you count Death Eaters. A person being that unversally disliked across literal decades doesn't happen for no reason.
Except miss charity burbage, for some weird reason
He seemed to be reasonably tight with filch
As a student he was a Slytherin during the whole Voldemort thing. As a teacher he was just a dick
And yet he had the trust of Dumbledore...
@@pinkbiohazardmercurialcoll7133 As evidenced in "The Prince's Tale", the reason Dumbledore trusted Snape was because he knew his true motivation for Lily and how to manipulate that to get Snape to help take down Voldy over 17 years. Having said that, Dumbledore like everyone else did not like Snape with his exact words being "you disgust me" in reference to Snape's lack of regard for Harry and James.
He actually did offer to spare Lily, but she said no, which is what saved Harry's life and ultimately saved the wizarding world.
How did that save Harry's life? I'm a casual watcher, onstead of a book reader, so most of the movies kind of blend together, and I can't remember a lot of the small details
@@shoca3427Voldemort gave her a chance cause of Snape's request. Him asking her to step aside several times and her refusing over and over activates the blood sacrifice. If Voldemort did not heed Snape's request and simply kills her like he did James, no matter how much Lily hides Harry behind her or not, Harry would still die when Voldemort aims his wand at him after killing Lily.
Didn't save the wizarding world... Voldemorts plan enhances the wizarding world by making wizards no longer have to live in the shadows but instead run the world so that everyone can benefit from the joys of magic
@@randomshotz13Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
@@NoName-hg6cc would the wizarding world not be bigger if it was the whole world instead of some streets and buildings and remote locations? The issue with Voldemort is that he's racist/supremacist not the fact he believes wizards should be able to live freely out in the open. Why do you want to keep wizards tucked in the shadows like they're hiding from the Furher?
Alan Rickman’s Snape lit up our emotions for the emotionless character himself,at times he’d make you laugh without saying a word and at times he’d make you burst into tears without saying a word
Besides presenting him in a better light, the movies made Snape someone who genuinely cared about his students and even Harry deep down. Whether it’s protecting Harry in the first film, being worried about both him and Ron in the second, trying to save the whole gang from werewolf lupin in the third one or generally looking out for the safety of his students to the point even dumbledore wonders if he’s grown to care for Harry to some extent. Snape in the movies was someone people loved to watch because on the one hand he was a bit of a tool but on the other also a genuine authority figure that students feared and not just hated for being a petulant man child. This is kind of a key aspect of the “dark brooding guy that’s secretly got a heart” that a lot of people seem to like (especially those prone to fantasising and fan fics.)
Yes, and it also made him at least a person who could be working as a teacher, someone whod protect the students, because in the books how tf does that guy still have his job.
A strict stern teacher can be fine,
But a teacher who actively bullies kids just doesnt make sense that hed be in that job, parents would complain.
@@cheesypiesliterally this!
Yeah like the movies made him out to both hate Harry but also put his job first, which I can respect 100%
@@cheesypies
Darling, by Hogwarts's standards, Snape was one of the top 5 teachers there and a mildly strict one at that. He certainly doesn't beat or physically endanger his students, unlike Book McGonagall and other Hogwarts teachers.
By Asian parents/teachers standards, Book Severus Snape is a freaking softie. I went to boarding school in India. I know what the fvck I'm talking about. By 1990s British boarding school standards, Snape would been considered the norm or a tad bit better than the norm. By 1970s British boarding school standards (which was when Rowling was a student), Book Snape would've been considered an excellent teacher.
If the parents heard their children's specific complaints about Snape, they'd tell their kids off for complaining about how soft Snape treats them compared to how their Hogwarts teachers used to discipline and punish them in the past, which was much harsher. And yes, that includes McGonagall.
A common problem I find with people who try to label Snape as a "bully" teacher is that not only do not factor in the cultural and historical context but they don't even consistently apply those 2020s moral standards on the rest of the Hogwarts teacher, who often do worse things than Snape as a teacher does in the books.
I don't understand - literally all of this is there in the books too, none of it was made up for the movies. Even the scene with Dumbledore questioning whether Snape came to care for Harry plays out exactly the same in both the movie and the book. In fact, while the movies show that he did everything he did for love, the books go further and imply that his motivations grew beyond just that over the years.
Snape in the books was literally "that guy" who got bullied, so he grew up and became a teacher specifically so that he could bully children that reminded him of his bullies.
I mean your not wrong
Harry and his dad are absolutely shit people on a personal level
Well now I just relate to him.
@@DkKombo Not a great thing for a person to admit. Bulling children makes him worse than the peers that did it to him. Hence the death eater, constant regret, and forever alone shit.
@@DkKombo you know, the entire point was that he could have changed his life, and walked away at any moment, but he didn't because he was following the dieing wish of the woman he loved. What's your excuse?
@@awesomesause
Not assuming shit about other people? I relate to getting bullied and having issues with that, nit doing all that you psychopath.
People excuse themselves of the most heinous accusations I swear.
I am a book lover but I think Snape was one of the best antagonist ever written. I am not a Snape apologist but I will forever admire just how complex his character was. It wasn't just him being a bully or mean, there were many layers to his character. His character showed that humans aren't just black or white.
Thank you, he’s a gray character! People miss the point when they try to label him as just either good or bad
That's also why like him as a character!
@@yellowstickers394 I think people just can't comprehend that real human beings would be like Snape, people will make mistakes, be petty for revenge but also try to redeem themselves when they realise the severity of their mistake.
Exactly! Humans are "good" or "evil". They are human with the capability to do good AND evil, and most fall somewhere in between. Snape portrays that very well. Anyone who thinks differently honestly I think has a very naïve view on people and life in general.
THANK YOU. I personally ADORE Snape's character. Every layer you peel back on him theres another one underneath you get to look at and puzzle through. He was not a good person, but he wasn't a demonic monster either like some people make him out to be. Hes so grey and squished in between those two its so interesting to dig into his character
What I think can't be overlooked though is how much Voldemort respected Snape to the degree that he would even consider the idea of sparing a muggleborn's life for his sake, let alone make an active effort to fulfil his end of the bargain.
So glad you pointed out that Snape was TOTALLY cool with murdering a husband and baby, and his thought she’d just run away and not sacrifice herself for her son so she could be HIS widowed bride. Book Snape was a psychopath.
😬 and he wonders why Lily didn't want him
Yes exactly
literally 😭 he thought Lily would be cool with watching her husband and son murdered
Yeah but books talk about the bullying from James Potter and his friends, don't forget they somehow made him dark and angry while he was just a weird kid with some discreet darkness... Wasn't he?
He couldn't have pleaded for the baby, considering he is the boy of the prophecy and well, her husband bullied him relentlessly. Not justifying his action though!
Movie Snaps: cares for Harry
Book Snape: *tut tut* “Fame clearly isn’t everything”
Edit: I was not expecting a war in the comments over whether Snape was nice or not 😭😭
he tried to save his life on the books too. I think he just thought he was like his father is arrogance
@@priscillajimenez27 But he was also a lot nastier in the books, and to everyone, not just Harry. The movies cut out a ton of that, which made movie Snape a tolerable character. Book Snape, on the other hand... well. Is it any wonder that people who've read the are books STILL in disbelief over what Harry named his kid?
@@raerohan4241 cursed child overall is just awful, the fact Harry and Ginny named their kids over SNAPE but not Minerva is just the icing on top.
@@okbooo but Harry’s children was named by J.K, in the “19 years later” short in her book or whatsoever, and end with Harry waving goodbye to his children. Cursed child was just based on that, or at least have that as an opening
@@raerohan4241 because real people is nasty but also admirable, it's complicated... Harry named his son Snape cause the dude literally saves his life like 6 or 7 times... what I find funny is people getting angry or confused over snape is the exact reason why Hollywood tries its consumers as idiots they knew a complex character as Snape is not what people wants when they watch movies... they want role models and Harry Potter books are not about role models, even harry is not one, the guy basically should have ended in Azkaban following the moral and laws of the wizard world.
“If she means so much to you,” said Dumbledore, “surely Lord Voldemort will spare her? Could you not ask for mercy for the mother, in exchange for the son?”
“I have - I have asked him -”
“You disgust me,” said Dumbledore, and Harry had never heard so much contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little. “You do not care, then, about the deaths of her husband and child? They can die, as long as you have what you want?”
Snape said nothing, but merely looked up at Dumbledore.
“Hide them all, then,” he croaked. “Keep her - them - safe. Please.”
Harry not too long after: well my son needs a middle name guess this teacher who I hated up until 2 minutes before he died will do
People sometimes get mad at Dumbledore after that for saying "what will you give in return", but he's tricking Snape with that line, he'd do it anyway, I imagine that the earlier line had a similar meaning.
@@starlightbutthealt8991 "The earlier line?"
@@harringt100 "Why didn't you ask him to spare her?" or something along those lines.I imagine Dumbledore is just dumbfounded with why Snape was even there.
@@starlightbutthealt8991right? Like Dumbledore definitely wasn’t perfect, but Snape was a whole other level of detached
Neville did well in his Potions OWL because for the first time he could relax without Snape being around. Snape's bullying of children for 16 years ruined multiple people's potions education. And Dumbledore was cool with it.
Harry still named his son after him.
I don’t even really care for Harry Potter anymore and that still irritates me lmao
Yes, harry made many questionable decisions in the book.
That was forced and cringe tbh, this long as name just to give Snape a halfassed redemption 😂
@@davidornelas5199 absolutely. I hated it. Yeah, he saved Harry and was only pretending to be on the dark side to get information and mislead Voldemort but before all that, he was still an abusive sadist that liked to bully children. Nothing changes that.
Because Harry is very forgiving. He's proved it many times (he forgave Ernie, who accused him of trying to murder Muggleborns, for instance). I know I would've never forgiven Snape, had I been in his shoes.
Book Snape beat Neville’s ass in every damn class for no reason it was so sad
Yes even though he knew about his parents
Ummmm...how did he beat Neville when he never physically touched him. Was he down right nasty to Neville sometimes, yeah, but then again Neville was consistently causing his cauldrons to melt, and having his potions explode...so, I'd say some of Snape's nastiness towards Nevilke was justified. I also find it funny how people love to point out Snape's nastiness to Neville, but fail to mention his own family's nastiness, especially his Grandmother's, whom he seems to constantly have nightmares about.
@@lxena8033 “beat Neville’s ass” is a metaphor for saying that Snape kept being unreasonable against Neville, i personally dpnt read the books but i think the reason why people don’t mention his grandmother was because everyone know that she’s bad while Snape is known to be bad only in the books
@@lxena8033
No, none of Snapes nastiness towards Neville was justified. The core point really is that Snape is a horribly mean and bad teacher, who doesn't even teach his students anything. All he does is write recipes on the board and every student is on their own. No teaching, no discurs, no discussions over potions in general no questions allowed either.. He is a bad teacher and how is Neville supposed to get better or really any student in his class if he doesn't teach them his own subject? He is nothing but a mere bitter bully who mentally tortures these poor students without repercussions and Dumbledore let's him. -.- Really anybody of these teachers let's him do his thing without talking to the school board or trying to change anything.. uff sry I'm kinda getting angry on this subject 😅
He is somewhat of a complicated & multi layered character in some aspects but he should have NEVER ever have become a teacher.
Actually I read somewhere where the prophecy had a chance of being Neville rather than Harry. So I think Snape held some resentment towards Neville for not having died instead of Lily. Well it doesn't excuse how he treated him Snape did technically have a reason
My main source of hatred for Snape comes from J.K stating that the only reason Snape is so cruel to Neville is because Voldie didn’t target him instead of Harry
oh that's F*cked up!!!
Bruh ????
"How dare you not have your family murdered" XD
FOR REAL!?
Rowling has a HILLARIOUS tendency to make her own books even worse with every retcon.
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Like remember how the books just assumed wizards used the bathroom like everyone else?... Well according to JKRowling Wizards just poop on the floor (or their own pants) and magic it away.
Snape really hated Neville in the books 😭💀
“You are a disgusting little man.”
Idk why but that sent me rolling onto the floor 💀
Voldemort didn’t say no at first he was ok with it that’s why he gave lily multiple chances to step aside
Very true
Books: Snape was a bad person with some good in him.
Movies: Snape was a good person who was grouchy.
Books : Snape was the embodiment of no good in him
He killed Neville's pet because he just hated Neville without a reason
Edit : he almost killed Neville's pet
But he still hated almost every student
@@noahtheonlynormalone Yeah, wanted to like the comment, but gotta scratch that "some good in him" part.
@@noahtheonlynormalone What the fck? As someone who never read the books, I'm starting to understand all the Snape slander
@@noahtheonlynormalone Correction, he *almost* killed Neville's pet. Fully intended to, but Hermione bailed Neville out with the antidote... which pissed Snape off, of course.
@@Lokear Oh yeah sorry
That "I joined them and then I realised maybe this is wrong" isnt a bad thing. At least he realised.
Even though his disagreement was still only half hearted
It was the right call but for the wrong reasons. He still agreed with their philosophy but considered Lily an 'exception' which makes him a hypocrite as he was perfectly willing to be complicit in the extermination of hundreds of mud-bloods as long as she was alive without even considering that all those other people that he was helping to kill had loved ones of their own.
Ony because the girl he wanted to pork with was to die
dumbledore: yOu aRe A diSgUstINg lItTlE mAn
snape: THE DARK LORD SAID NOOOOO!
FINALLY I FIND A COMMENT ABOUT THIS 😂😂😂😂😂
Not just the portrayal but Alan Rickman was just so charismatic