Dirt Cheap Dungeons - Let's Take a Look!
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“Relative” is definitely the keyword here! But it’s great to see alternatives to the very expensive mainstream dungeon sets. Solid review, Nate!
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@@mauriciojack1728lol how
There is one problem that I see with "permanently" attaching the doors: there are not enough doorways in the larger sets for the number of doors in the set. You will have to customize your order with extra doorways to be able to do that. I would suggest to Dirt Cheap Dungeons to add doorways to the Door Expansion Packs. Especially the Secret & Magic Door set. I wouldn't want to have to change from a regular door to a Secret Door on the fly. That defeats the purpose of having a secret door, the same with a magical door.
I bought their legendary set after a lot of consideration and love them so much. Do they look cheap? Sure, most definitely if you are comparing to their larger competitors like dwarven forge for example. But that aside, the things I LOVE about them outweigh the lack of excessive details. the doors open wide and with ease so no fuddling about for something that doesnt work or gets stuck etc. The walls are super easy to change and move around and are firm but have some give to them so a younger player isnt going to snap them into shards of plastic. He wasnt lieing when he said you could probably drop a bowling ball on them and they will be unharmed. I LOVE how thin the walls are, takes up less table space and makes the rooms easier to see for larger table games, no confusion or fuss. Another thing he didnt mention is the walls are all sized in inches to be perfect for gaming maps and the diagonal add ins take this into consideration as well so they are in lengths of the diagonal of a 1inch squares etc. They are really light weight and compact and you can throw that box around all day. I love all the organizers for cleanup. Makes keeping things in order a breeze. And the best part? Because they are simple and all in one piece they are easy to clean! Spill soda at the table? Bowl of salsa falls off the ledge of a sunken gaming table edge? Kids with sticky fingers? Or hell, you fall in the mud. Whatever mess gets on these from conventions, messy friends, or just life is no big deal at all. They aren't fancy, sure, and I follow a lot of black magic craft for ideas on making some really neat in-depth environments when I need to but these are so great. I've already pledged to their kickstarter and am so excited! Their stretch goals look awesome too and are diving into wall fixtures and decorations if it gets high enough in stretch goals!!
Thanks for the comment! Great points all around.
This seems pretty cool, nice vid Nate!
Great lighting!!
Does having a whole 3D dungeon built that everyone can see ruin the experience for the players? I'm a new DM and all my players are first-timers, we've been playing for a few months. I've thought about building models and 3D environments to be more engaging but I'm not sure how to handle exploration when everything out in the open for them to see. Thanks for the videos, your tutorials have helped me a lot!
only build the rooms where there are encounters. all the other rooms are theater of the mind. meaning that the DM can switch rooms around and adjust stuff on the fly depending on narration.
if you pre-build everything. most players are manipulated to go in places they might not have done otherwise. most people can't seperate character and player knowledge all that well. you can place a room as soon as the players entered it. but that really slows down the game.
That is always a challenged with tabletop D&D and 2D terrain. I have seen it done a lot of ways. Sometimes people put a "fog of war" out using paper put down on top, others build as they go. I personally leave the structure set up (minus anything secret) and wait to populate the room with items or monsters until they enter. There are probably other ways as well, that is just what I have seen.
Same here (DMing with group of new players for about 2-3 months twice a week) and I completely agree with you. I personally like to use paper instead and will likely never change to 3D. I bought a bunch of large Flip Chart Paper online for almost nothing and am extremely happy with it.
The problem of 3D models, in my opinion, is that it extremely limits what you can do + makes it sometimes hard to see what is going on for players. With paper I can have a huge mansion with a garden, cramped dungeon build in savage, flying sky city, huge cliffside... You name it. If your budget is not unlimited you cannot do the same with 3d = a city fight for example will look the same underground, in nine hells, in a small farming community or in the sky since you will not buy separate buildings for each. I feel like using 3D will take a bunch of uniqueness out of your campaign.
And as you said paper is easy to cover, but also prepare in advance! I have several locations prepared for a fight in a forest, in the streets, in an inn etc. Not to mention drawing out entire dungeons weeks before players get to them. After sitting down all you need to do is pull them out and if they get unused just hide them for later. The same cannot be said for 3D. You often need to take them apart to build something else and they take up too much space.
I pre build sections and put them on the table in sections
there are a lot of systems that let you build rooms individually and I pre build all the rooms and then only put them down as they are explored which creates a fog of war experience and disencourages the players from exploring places they wouldn't otherwise
It's out of my price range, but I think people are being a bit negative in the comments. For someone who has a bit of spare money and doesn't want the hassle of making their own, this isn't a bad idea. For the rest of us, a bit of cardboard, glue and paint will produce cheap walls and tiles, but it also requires many hours of work.
Those look really cool.
Cool I might buy it.
You would need to use the hidden door wall pieces when there aren't actual hidden doors there to train your players to just think it is a wall sometimes.
Nice Video!
As many have said “cheap” is relative . But overall I say they do hit the affordable route. I mean if you go for the ruins set that is only 20$, if you go for the squire dungeon then it’s 50$ which is not terrible .
Nice shirt!
Ah yes because nothing says dirt cheap and affordable than about £150
Totally what I thought...
I get it, it's not for everyone. We are a small business in the US that started as a D&D group who wanted to make some 3D terrain. He did review some of our larger sets, our smallest one starts at £16.
That was my first thought, too. There are a million ways of making cheap terrain that don't cost an arm and a leg, and this seems... expensive, and of average quality.
@@danioshea I assure you it is of the highest quality, we make the pieces in our Oregon shop and hand check all of the pieces before they get boxed. We even have a pretty lax return policy, although people don't use it because they love our sets. For less than $20 you could get our Mini Ruins Set to test out and if you didn't like it, I would be more than happy to give you a full refund. I think the phrase is "don't knock it till you try it". :) Also I know that people use all different systems and that is great, we just offer a different kind of modular solution that we created to go well just about any other kind of terrain. We didn't make the sets to replace anything, but to add to what people have already if they want something extra.
@@jeccalou9894 Chill man, compare the cost per inch to any of the other brands.
I would have liked to see it on a Pathfinder Flip-Mat just to see how it looks and get an idea how many pieces it takes to fill out a flip-mat.
for as nice as some of the sculpts are , Nolzurs(wizkids) is defi made in Chine
Kinda gives me some Hero Quest vibes
the actual walls and doors could use some paint (a black or dark grey wash would really make them pop) but i don't take that as a negative
Hey man, i'm creating an RPG from the ground. I already have the system, the map, and some lore, but i'd like you to give me some personal tips for my kind of world. it's a blade & sorcery, mana focused kind of world. is it possible for you to take a look at the map or something like that? great vid by the way :p
Oh that kind of dungeon
Woo Oregoneon products! You seem to be from pnw do you ever plan on doing a meet and greet for fans in your area?
Lived in Shoreline and Seattle for a lot of years, but usually only visit once a year these days. A meet and greet could be fun. I’ll definitely think about that for the future.
@@WASD20 is there someplace I can follow you to see when you would doing something like that?
Twitter is probably best. Most active there.
i just think these work better for buildings and overland constructions than dungeons. need some plaster wall options and some windows and roofs and they will be perfect
Its not 3d, but I like the fantasy world creator. Its flexible, you can draw on it and you have all sorts of terrain (in 2d)
Anyone know the height off the walls? I have a convertible table and need to know if I can cover these up
Man for another 100 bucks you could just buy your own 3D printer and never have to worry about buying a kit again. Either way they seem pretty cool
Pros: Cheaper, Large area coverage Cons: No floors, price not significantly cheaper than Dungeons & Lasers system.
I like d and d because there is one of my friends that will always play with me
You going to do the wizkidz new system?
I see, and can appreciate what they’re going for here. However, the price point doesn’t scream dirt cheap to me. I can see this being a nice option for someone with a decent amount of disposable income, but for gamers on a budget this isn’t feasible. To be fair though, no 3D dungeon terrain is feasible for gamers on a budget so I don’t hold this against this particular company. It’s a neat concept though and I wish them much success! Great review Nate!
People have a tendency to look at price only, but they often forget to consider price for the amount of coverage or the other attributes. Most of our competitors that are closest to our price have non-functional doors, are 3D printed FDM so they are fragile and have very poor part quality, and their parts are super bulky and not easily portable... Lessee, our smallest (1.4sqft) cheapest set is $57, and you would spend over $150 for the same coverage with our competitors of similar quality.... Our largest (14sqft coverage) most expensive is $275 set covers the same as similar quality competitors charge $800 to $2000 for.
Can you give your thoughts on the new icewind Dale adventure?
Well, the Icewind Dale trilogy was a hugely significant series in fostering my love a fantasy as a kid, so I’m excited to see how it shapes up.
@@WASD20 same here!
How do i get the stairs to stay upright
Dirt cheap and "affordable" by Murican standards perhaps but at 150 quid that isn't what Dirt Cheap springs to mind for me. Will stick to paper and cardboard ones lol
The name Dirt Cheap Dungeons was just a fun thing we came up with, we are a small business of D&D players who try to create fun stuff for the tabletop gaming genre. What we sell is all extra if someone wants to use them and not necessary as you can craft things out of cardboard if you like, or just use theater of the mind. We can't use cardboard though, we spill too much ale on the table and need something that is waterproof :)
Can you do a review on the.new.moulde
i would put fake secret doors so they have a bit of a harder time
if you want really dirt cheap, I would highly suggest checking out Terraino. Build yourself and each piece costs pennies. Dude has a youtube channel where he shows you how to build it called Gamegearmaster
papercraft is the real dirt cheap. granted, not as user friendly as you have to print, cut, and paste them together, but for 150 bucks I can print a ton of paper walls.
Is 58$ for the basic set cheap? Wow, I guess I am poor and I have a wrong idea of the price of those products.
I know the idea, not everyone has the time and space to build things or search for solutions, and the money to buy these products are no problem. No problem with that too me. But calling it and cheap solution, even for a pre-made product sounds wrong to me. I really don't want to be rude and I am trying to make a fair point, sorry if I am being too harsh.
People will look at the price of this thing to play a dungeon and dragons and say, "it is what it is. It is a cheap solution" and buys it.
With far less money, I made so many dungeon stackers and walls with an XPS Foam, an
x act, a brush, and black and white paints for example.
I guess I will search for some used playmobile castles and build this.
But what you gain with 58$ is not that impressive to me for ... well ... walls and doors.
Funny that you mention playmobile, that was also what came to my mind after seeing the wall tiles :D It reminded me of my old playmobile castle. In a positive and negative way. Positive because of the nostalgia and negative because it comes with the same disadvantages as playmobile: you are very limited with what you can do with it
One DM I play with has a system for 3D dungeons that costs less than buying these two sets and looks more impressive: buying a 3D printer.
True, but that’s dozens of hours. I have a 3-D printer as well, and I love it, but it’s a hobby in itself.
Also, when you factor in the cost of buying a printer, dirt cheap dungeons comes out ahead. :)
@@WASD20 $237 for a basic 3D printer on Amazon
Right. Super cheap, I’d say. and you can get an Ender3 for even less. But if you are buying it to save money on some dungeon tiles, you might as well buy the tiles. Again, don’t get me wrong - I think 3D printing is awesome. I’m really glad I have one. But you’d have to print a lot, before it paid for itself.
I bought a 3d printer just for dungeons and dragons, yes the printer is fairly cheap , but you must buy filament, lots of filament and that adds up, plus printing is a job in itself and having to maintain you printer, mess with it after messed up prints and you get a ton of messed up prints and the time to print and paint things. it definitely comes out to more expense than this, plus if you buy the rights to print tiles, I use Wyloch's tiles everything adds up to money , the only way you can get cheap tiles is to do the cardboard method.
I was expecting dirt cheap to mean £30 for a nice sample of content. Realistically, £150 is NOT affordable - I'll stick to using a laid down monitor with free digital maps...
They do have much cheaper sets. Check their site.
@@WASD20 yay
WASD20 will do - thanks for taking the time to reply; always humbling to see an awesome content creator that engages with the audience 👍
warlock tiles is a far better value for the money
Warhammer players can not approve that 0:10
Couldn’t you just make dungeons and towers using LEGO bocks? When your kids outgrow (they never really will, but for this topic we will assume they do) just use them to make 3D terrain. Between the accumulated LEGOs over the years and some targeted buys for castle/fantasy theme sets to supplement, I believe a lot could be accomplished. Maybe the blocky look isn’t desirable to all adventurers.
You could! I’ve seen it done before.
Calling this "affordable" is a stretch. Wizkids new set is gonna be $100 and it has reversible tiles and includes floors and doors and adapters in case you have any other sets of terrain. Now it has less walls due to the floors being in it but to me the price for these is too high for what you get, you could buy some cheap 3d printed stuff off of ebay and get the same experience, or spend a little more and just buy a 3d printer.
The wall textures are just the most generic brick wall texture. That seems really lazy to me and does not look good for a 'modular dungeon system' . I would opt for higher price competitors or just nothing at all. It is nice to have options, however, for those that like the texture enough. The connector flexibility is pretty cool.
I can print more tiles and walls with one 20$ roll of filament than that 150 use box offers and they look much better
Too fiddly for me. Heroquest taught me the virtue of zero walls and more furniture decades ago.
HeroQuest is all you need!! :D
@@bonbondurjdr6553 I love HeroQuest and am still an avid player! Although these days it is mega expensive if you don't already have it.
Not a fan of the texture...perfect widely spaced bricks...and painting wouldn't help with that. Dunno what you could do to re texture it.
At a glance, they don't seem that great value. Sure, you get a lot of walls but they *look* cheap, and when you are going for 3D walls the look is what you are going for. If you compare this to, say the upcoming wizkids Warlock set: The warlock set can't build as large a dungeon (But do you want to build the whole dungeon or just a room or two at a time as needed?) BUT they have the floor tiles, they have a lick of paint, have more pronounced details, and they are compatible with other dungeon tile sets.
I think there is a place in the market for what dirt cheap are offering, but at the price point they aren't quite hitting it. As you note, the Squire set is probably the most tempting - enough walls to have a few rooms marked out and the price feels more reasonable for what you are getting. Even though the bigger sets are better value, they are getting into the same cost as more premium dungeon terrain and the difference in quality is more in your face. However, to continue my ramble, I can't see how they could lower the price.
The Warlock Tiles look good and we personally use a lot of minis from them. They look good, but you will be limited in what you can build. Our sets can be built in an endless number of ways to include in diagonals, we have seen some crazy stuff people have created with our sets. Our newest Kickstarter allows you to build multi floor castles as well. Warlock Tiles are also made in China, and we make our sets right here in the USA. You often sacrifice quality when you outsource your production. Our Modular Dungeon Systems are created by DMs and D&D players who are part of the tabletop gaming culture. At the end of the day people use all different systems, and these are all just extras to change your experience if you want them.
@@dirtcheapdungeons9675 :) I took a more detailed look at your site, and I take back some of my comments on the price point. The squire set looks to be in the perfect position, it's about the same as a box of Space Marines (a reasonable rubric for terrain and minis) and comes with what I'd consider more than enough walls for how I'd use them. The bigger sets still *feel* too much, but that's mostly due to me not needing that many walls and because it reaches into the starter set costs for the more expensive options, even though you obviously get a lot more dungeon with your product.
I'd certainly consider a small box to expand my terrain options for something like Rangers of Shadow Deep, but the shipping costs knackered that a bit for me (though I may point people your way next time there is a question about doing walls in the Facebook group).
wish the clips had a more artistic look. they are a little garish int terms of asthetics.
Agreed!
More like Dirt Cheap Looking Dungeons, amiright
HOW is that cheap?
Yikes, the price point vs what you get in the box is a terrible value. I recommend everyone checking out Wyloch’s Armory CZcams channel and craft your own set. I’ve made quite a sizeable dungeon tile set and was worth every bit of the time investment.
I'm not sure that i like this stuff. It reminds me of mega blocks as a kid in terms of look and quality.