WHAT HAPPENED TO YVE?
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- WHAT HAPPENED TO YVE?
So we're going to check newest adjustment Yve here on official server
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The recent buffs :
Martis: Fighter to assassin
Yev : Zoner to Ganker
Carmilla : Underrated to popular
Lol
Martis assassin? Naw he's a tank. Literal war tank
@@milosaga5450 he always been a good hero to use tank build even before the buff.
@@areyousureaboutthat3457 But he lacks damage with tank build before... but not now. He can endure hard hits and also hits hard like a real tank
Martis: From God of War to a literal God of War
I would accept it if it got reduced to 6'6 instead. 5'5 is too much.
itd be uneven then
@@karbumkle4671 haha true
Skill issue tbh
@@karbumkle4671 b-but 6 and 6x6(36) are even. /j
@@imdestinymaker not about the number mate.. its about visual placement 5x5 or 7x7 have even visual cuz its 2 box left, 2 box right, and 1 box in the middle, or 3 left, 3 right, 1 mid...
The buff on her first skill does not compensate the nerf on her ultimate. Making the box 5x5 is really bad when the specialty of Yve is controlling. The main reason Yve is popular pre nerf was because of her long range zoning capability and now it's gone.
Its a buff. Immune to cc is a better trade off
You don't need CC immunity if you can position well and wait for the right timing to cast your ultimate. Enemies can't even reach you if you know how to utilize the 7x7 ult.
@@zero1188 id say its a revamp for her role not buff
EXACTLY! IMAGINE TAKING AWAY NATALIA'S INVI OR LIMITING FANNY TO ONLY 2 CABLES OR MAKING ALDOUS ULT NOT IMMUNE TO CC, THE IDENTITY OF THE HERO AND WHAT MAKES THE HERO UNIQUE IS JUST GONE💨
its not a buff. you can check my yve video about it
Nope, not even Elgin can gaslight me into thinking this is a buff
IMO, her nerf was also the biggest reason why jungler Martis and Leomord are running rampant in ranked, because she's the only mage who can provide immediate slow to their fast mov. Speed, unlike other slow mages who either have weaker slow (Valir) or animation delay (Lylia). While her 2nd skill is unchanged, the ult is also just too valuable in zoning out Leomord/Martis's teammates, practically isolating them to be rushed by your team while you slow them. The closest replacement for old Yve is Pharsa, but their plan of zoning are just too different (burst vs debuff+chip dmg), while the new Yve is too outclassed by Lylia (larger skill's AOE) onmedium range
Tl;dr : Yve is a zoning mage, so by nerfing her ult's size, it practically gutted her playstyle no matter how much dmg increase she gain or the CC immunity since many times, your enemies either burst you or ran away from your ult, causing the dmg to be useless
I don't think martis will be affected. He's immune to cc when using 2nd skill. It's just that Martis buff on damage were huge
Her ult after the nerf is better used to trap escaping enemies. You can slow and poke the enemy with skill 1 and 2 first.
"gutted her playstyle" is a good way of putting it. i've always thought that this damn game's developers does not play their own work. they created a somewhat unique hero and because she ain't a gold mine in terms of marketability and potential skin sale they just don't care.. 🤮
Agree.
@@Overtrigger that literally condradicts the whole purpose of her ult. She's supposed to use it as a combination of her first and sec skill (slide&tap)
I play 99% solo, so it used to be hard to use Yve, but now it's an absolute gamble... Most times when I ult, my team just runs behind me, and I end up having to cancel my ult and run too...
same.. can't use her anymore.. cece is a good replacement
@@2010kulka Pharsa(as a replacement) and Nana(better pick than current Yve) are good as well
After seeing my friend on how he use Yve now, her main job is replaced from zoning to ganking. Usually you will using her ultimate as a zoning tool for taking objectives. Now her ultimate are more capable of taking enemy hero more quickly
I guess this alien who creates a box gives presents to the enemy now
I don't like it to be honest but hey I guess I'll adapt it feels so awkward now that her ult range has decreased a lot
Odette has the same range and doesn't even have cc Immunity
This is so trueeeee! I tried it but her ulti's aoe really was a game changer but not in a good way 😭
@@camillaposephia6248 but she's more bursty
@@-DA-ONE- no, I'm both Yve and odette mains and tbh I like the adjusted Yve more because she can deals a lot more damage with her tap damage because I spammed it a lot
@@-DA-ONE- Odette bursty comes from her passive not her ultimate
As a utility/poke mage, this is a nerf for her. I wonder if burst items would suit her with these adjustments. 🤔
Not just nerf.... Super nerf...
Her Ultimate is her identity
Her chessboard got smaller while Lou yi’s teleportation occupied all the map
that's how moneyton balanced all heroes🤣
@@2010kulka "Bellensing"
@@esmondgoh3112 yeah thanks
@UCymn0EoTYT2rRv2wmlT5e-g True, but Luo Yi's ult can give vision without even actually using it. And if your teammates pay attention to the map, they won't be easily surrounded or ambushed
@@esmondgoh3112 Luo Yi's 2nd skill also gives vision
To put simply,
She’s now not gonna be used much now in competitive play bcz its her ult that was the main aspect of their strategies, but now more suited for those that are still learning
Nana is still better than her even for learning
ml really wanna tone done every high skilled requirement heroes. from Haya, Kagura, Lance... what's next, auto aim cable Fanny or Gs 1st skill use enemy lock
She is now the most unpopular Hero in All Ranks Basically took the place of Carmilla XD
@@GSF4LIFE_GroveStreet FR!
I agree. In MPL tournaments, Yve = Pharsa. If there is Pharsa, there is Yve vice versa. Now Pharsa > Yve. So i think if Pharsa doesn't receive any nerfs then she will be highly contested in MPL/Pro scene. Yve now can't reach Pharsa. I think pro players will pick Lylia instead of Yve right now because Lylia gives more burst and her ult is a game changer.
as a main yve user i feel 7x7 is perfect for her because 5x5 is too short and cannot reach enemy from the back, i see elgin missed few times to it. maybe change to 6x6 i guess
That's what Dev's are aiming for bruh... that's what the nerf is for, cuz the ulti reached back line.
@@user-kq9xp9nh8z yve was supposed to reach backline in the first place, and zone the opponents out. Now, she is more of a dps mage which means the usual play with yve is gonna be different
@@suffering9481 not that different, cuz she utilizes her first and second skills a lot anyway, but for epical glory players this must be the worst nerf lol🤣🤣
@@user-kq9xp9nh8z And it's a bad decision of the Devs. . Reaching the back line is her specialty in team fights
@@user-kq9xp9nh8z utilizing her first and second skills a lot doesn't take away the fact that she was mainly picked cause of her ult just like pharsa and fyi . No one plays Yve in epic . Idk the region you're in but where I'm from you don't see Yve at all in epic . Maybe a few legend players and some mythic but it was mainly high mythic ranks and glory along with pro scene that you saw her picked a lot but not in lower ranks . That said though the nerf is gonna affect her pick rate by a whole lot cause everyone is exploring other options now . Pharsa and lylia are being used more since Yve got nerfed
I stopped using her after the ult nerf. I replace her with vexana now lol. It's just too much. Even Pharsa and odette can just easily kill her while staying out of her range. She can rival them pre nerf
Likewise!
Yve is still more useful than Vexana tho.
Same here
Skill issue right there
@Streoh truu
With the smaller ult, I always feel happy whenever someone plays Ruby with my Yve, like its easier when heroes know when to pull enemies into your box. This is already common sense, but if you happen to have an Yve in your team, try not letting the enemies escape once Real World Manipulation gets cast, that makes our day best :)
Still cant adapt with this yve since my ultimate usually end up like this 2:54
Can't wait for her old ultimate is back
It's not just "2 blocks" just because of
7x7 >>> 5x5
It's 24 blocks since we are talking about the area of her ult. 7x7 is (49 blocks) while 5x5 is (25 blocks).
7:48 As a Miya user, yes.. We're pretty dangerous... Once you dont see us on the map, be careful on bushes for ambush 🙂
im here
Moonton will make her ult 6x6 when they release her collector skin..
I think i would perfer low damage but wide range than otherwise. She's basically poke hero. Big damage don't effective for her
Shes still a mage i would pick in ranked, especially because of her poking skill
And her ult is pretty good when u manage to trap the enemies in the middle of it
I miss her old ulti 😭 why did moonton gotta shorten her aoe I tried it but doesn't feel the same like the one she had especially the zooming out part when she casts her ulti
moonton only cares about money they never take serious about player feedback
They need to undo her adjustment.
Idk wtf Moonton's thinking. This is literally like Pharsa but shorter range.
Ikr, at least Pharsa has a HP based damage passive... What does Yve have? Movement speed boost
@@esmondgoh3112 yep
They should allow casting Yve's skill 1 & 2 while in ulti. 😂😂😂
Yuh I feel bad for yve users just to compensate the range nerf
Or just let us use flicker
I actually used Yve and it's not too bad.. maybe many are not yet used to it but it's still okay.. the damage is good and the slow is very nice.. you should just use the ultimate on the perfect timing.. 👌 One thing the fast mobility after casting skill 1 to the enemy is so good.. in poking or chasing enemies..
they just reverted her nerf on 1st skill lol
Yve still isnt bad but her playstyle changed. She was very op but she s just strong mage now. You can check my video about it
They could've at least make it 5x5 at skill level 1, 6x6 at skill level 2, and 7x7 at skill level 3. Kinda similar to Layla's.
I was quite bummed out regarding the range nerf but I just realized that her ults damage box is much bigger , the immunity + cd reduction was something I didn't know I needed. Personally I'm loving it !
Nope damage box still remains the same 😉
@@adrianoricafort503 no no , the square tiles . They're bigger aren't they ?
@@bitbybot3 no it just looks bigger since you're more zoomed in, it's not bigger but you can prob see it clearer now
nah it was just reverted nerf. not a buff lol
the bigger boxes are for nubs who don't know how to use her. nevertheless, it doesn't change how her ult is trash rn
There is also an annoying bug where you can't hit the enemy who got stuck in the barrier now, its so annoying
I was initially disappointed with this adjustment since zoning was her specialty, but with all the buffs that came with it, and with the games I've played with her recently, I prefer this new Yve! They may have reduced her range but a lot of other aspects to her kit were improved. And I know a lot of you would disagree with me, but this is just my preference.
Before, her ultimate can be cancelled with a single stun or any CC. The range is indeed huge but she could almost never use it in clashes when she's always the target of CC skills.
Basically, cons:
- Ultimate range reduced from 7x7 to 5x5 (From 49 blocks to 25 blocks)
Pros:
- Ultimate cooldown reduced by 15 seconds at all levels
- Can't be stopped by CC anymore (except suppression)
- Easier to hit enemies in ultimate since you can see them all unlike before where you'd be unable to see the enemies if they were too far from you.
- Higher 1st skill damage
- Longer immobilization of the board's edges in ultimate (from 0.3 seconds to 0.8 seconds)
- Higher tap damage in ultimate
- Higher slow effect of hold in ultimate
- Higher slow effect for 2nd skill (2nd phase)
- Lower mana cost for 2nd skill in early game
Yeah now she can oneshot kadita,Aurora,lylia,eudora.the most good thing i like now they got stunned inside the ult when leaving her ult zone.yeah now her ult should change into a new skill.we need anymore ult.
If enemies are in your ult, they will always be visible to you. The boxes aren't bigger, they're the same size. They just look bigger cuz it's not as zoomed out as before.
@@esmondgoh3112 All enemies inside Yve’s ultimate weren’t visible to her pre-nerf. When they are too far from you, you’ll be unable to see where they’ve went. After the nerf, however, she can now easily see all enemies within her ultimate as they’re all close to her. And as for the boxes’ size, yes, you’re indeed correct.
@@samuisworld7716 wait.. you mean inside as in the tiles, right? How were they not visible for you, if it's literally IN your zoomed out ult?
@@esmondgoh3112 I was talking about her ultimate before the nerf 😊 If you’ve played Yve before, you can’t see the enemies inside your ultimate if they are too far from you (usually at the uppermost part of the board) unless your teammates are there to provide vision, so you’d have to guess where to attack and hope that the enemies were hit by them.
I think because reducing her ulti to 5x5, making the first skill every time it hits an enemy it reduces 3 cd of the ulti and if the ulti is available p.5 for the other skills
5:46 buff in disguise?ults 5 natalia
it will be helpful if yve can use battlespell during ult like others.. not fair for her..
Every new hero: unli dash
Eve: at least my team can work with me to keep ppl in the box
Me at epic: wheres my team?
We can't use spell when used ult right??? I wish we can 😭
Before the range nerf, I played she as a support with anti heal and all the magic wand available
After I play with a burst with the clock of destiny that green crystal and divine glave as a core items
that "rawr" in game chat caught me off guard.. XD
I like how Elgin literally spamming his taps to Yve',s 3rd Skîll🤣
I wish moontoon would adjust her ult range instead of nerfing it something like 5x5 at level 1 upgrade 6x6 at level 2 upgrade, and 7x7 at the 3rd upgrade 😤.
I feel like they buffed her early game potential by increasing damage with her first skill but when it gets to end you won’t really notice the buff and will be hard to impact the game late as your ult is very small and can’t zone players as much and burst damage users can kill you easily as you’re now MUCH closer to the enemies
I'm just glad her ulti doesn't have a decade of a cooldown anymore.
her ultimate is the main reason why i playing her because she's one of hero that has Zoning capability without exposing herself, i can also become a high ground incase they want to towerdive inhibitor turret.
And now...they nerf her ultimate and put compensation that infact still not good enough.
I like about the 1st skill of yve is that the added mobility everytime it hits it's target. I hope eudora also have that mobility everytime she hits her second skill to the enemy. Like it's added mobility on her every time she throws her complete combo.
Compared to yve who can spam her skill, eudora wouldent have much use over that
I don't like that idea, what I like is the enemy to die when eudora use her 2nd skill
Like Xavier in adv. server. I noticed they like adding mov. speed/positioning capability skills to Mages with no dash skill like Chang'e, Gord, Yve, Pharsa, Faramis, and in the future Xavier.
@@suffering9481 it kinda does though? When Eudora ults, everyone will immediately dive her because they know she's weak, but the extra movement speed can help. It can also be useful when You're being chased.
@@user-yv9gt7ym9s well, normally people just attack a random seperate person then run, not attacking in a teamfight
This adjustments on Yve is a buff even though as a Yve user her *7*7 ult is overwhelming I can't remember how many times I use my ult to reach the enemy running from there tower but I forgot that it's*5*5 now but I use to it now
Yve range nerf didn't appeared during MPL
Yve main, her old ult is much more better, the reason she used to be popular was her zoning ability and her long range ult, now after her ult got nerfed enemies can escape much more easier, it's an insane nerf. Pretty sure she IS meant to be a zoning mage, she's not even a burst mage, she's probably going to replace Carmilla as one of the most unpopular hero.
As an Yve main, it's painful that her ult is smaller, but at the same time I got used to it and we have a new Yve Strategy "Spam Poke" (which is constant press on 1st skill with little to no cd). She is still very strong and competitive mid-laner in the current meta if in the right hands, and of course a pain in the butt bc of her strong slow effects. I think lower cd for her ult like at 30-20 seconds would be enough because the enemies can easily leave her ult now ad she will cancel her ult more often that's it and I would be very pleased. Also as an Yve main, I definetly suggest trying to rely on her 1st and 2nd skill. Her ult is her main dmg and utility, now it's nerfed big time it's no longer as good as before. But atleast her 1st and 2nd isn't, and those 2 skills also makes her one of the best at poking the enemies.
I remember that there are only 3 Heroes that have suppression. Franco, Kaja and Barats, I was thinking who has the best supress and conclude that Kaja has the best one. Reasons his supress is instant and still in effect even if kaja is interrupted. I don't know why I made this but I made it.
As an Yve main, playing her now never feels the same. But I guess Yve players can adapt to it eventually? We'll see.
She’s still a decent pick on ranked games especially if you can combo with other heroes (really good with carmilla). But you have to adjust your position more carefully as opposed before. Mid to late game, her first skill is really good for poking and slowing down enemy. Please don’t do more nerf in this beloved heroes 💔
In my opinion, for the current yve it's "no" just.. "no" I don't like this change, whether they want to make yve's skills hurt more or what, all I can say is "no"
I just use her recently in rank, so she's still decent if you know how to handle the battle situations especially if you have an enemy jungle tank balmond, burst damage from enemy eudora, unli heal enemy estes and annoying enemy lancelot
Now she's more 1st and 2nd oriented mage, her ulti is for ganking or for not letting enemies escape.
@@user-kq9xp9nh8z wait i thought her ult for engage 💀, i literally use 20 stacks to slow all off them, after that i use 1st +2nd skill ( with 45cdr) to poke them till death
I usually use her as a carry if i use mage, but since they nerf the ult range, i didn't use her anymore, her ult her most important skill, so when it got nerf, yeaaa nope.
5,5 is too much for her ult because she can't reach the enemy because her ultimate is shorter
This one time I played yve with this nerf I just didn't use my ult because it's either the enemies will be out of rang quickly or they will burst me down even with a fighter or tank accompanying me. Her ult range is so bad it's only useful is when a tank sets. I also like the old ult because it makes the camera zoom out like Luo yi's ult, while this new one will move the camera to the side your ult is facing.
Sure the damage and slow effect of the 1st and 2nd skills are better now but the old skills of yve still did a lot of damage especially with glowing wand and ice queen wand combo.
Rest in pieces dom ice. Getting nerfed
I think she won't be a picked that much anymore but I still think she's viable cuz of her annoying slow is still there however it will be hard to fine a good position
True
What made her so different from all other mages was her ulti's aoe
It is definitely a nerf ....i am a yve main ..or used to be yve main ...but now 💀
They made Yve burst type mage instead of artillery or zoning mage
Just participated an MLBB Esports from my school, and I used Yve of course, yet she's not great as she used to before. The shortage of her Ult range :,< hits my Yve very badly.
I used Yve as a support with mage build
10:31. For me, it's mostly a buff.
Thanks for the amazing gameplay Mr. Elgin. 👌
Bro the op heroes in lore should be op in game too
Yve was nerfed. Last update I was so good with her, now every time I ult it’s like asked to be killed in a team fight. I’m a mythical glory player average an 8.6+ grade so don’t say I’m not good with her when I was
Why Am I hearing a SOCO voice over... This isn't a crime!!!
Nerf. The large area of her ultimate is what makes her the perfect utility mage in the pro scene. Now that its size was decreased, I bet she would no longer be used as usual in the coming MPLs.
i was an yve user till that nerf on her ult, that 5'5 is to much.
the bounce effect in this video while zooming in and out should go
I'm one of yve's main who disappointed about this adjustments because of this I can no longer damage the enemy hiding behind their turrets but when I play her with this adjustment she's still okay for
me. It looks like yve's first release on advance server on where her ult. Cannot be cancel by cc but this time the ult range is shorter. All in all she's still one of my strongest mage.
I think it is a buff her role is switched to zoner to ganker and slower the new I've is more stickier than before
That's nerf, you need to think thrice to use her ult or you're dead meat
I think Yve now would be better with set-up cc Tanks like in this game, Atlas-Tig-Ruby..So the enemies would be easier to reach with the shorter ult.
I think her ult size reduction is still the primary reason why her usage rate hasn't increased even with the buffs on her other skills.
I think most players,including myself would prefer a bigger ult rather then buffing her other skills!!!
She deserved better but after her Ult size nerf but im surprised that her Damage is insane and i just can solo kill by spamming 1st skill so enemy can't run
I swear that yve actually got nerf instead of buff. If her ulti were 7'7 you would have got a lot of kills
Imagine the enemy hero with a very high skill (pharsa,gord,etc) and basic (layla,clint,etc) range and you as yve there using your ult was like 🧍♀️ trying to reach them💀💀
The nerf is too hard.... Many heros have dash skills now and can easily get out of her ult range. And once enemy is out of her ult she's useless. Also the cd of ult doesn't help either. We can't cancel and spam it if enemy is out of her ult. Yes she has gud damage but honestly I'd rather pick Vexana now. Or if I wanna zone out then Pharsa is better. Yes she can be used in gank but there are already better mages to gank like Kagura. And now she heavily relies on her team or tank to keep enemies in her ult which is not possible in solo q. She might be relevant in pro play and team matches but solo q not really.
at this point, im avoiding picking yve now, her ultimate range was the reason I love herr
i still cant move on because the ult nerf really affected me LMAOOOOOO
Stats... Hero stats is how you balance the game but no, devs only know how to adjust spells and all heroes have similar hero stats. Easy input...more money equals EZGG.
HEY ELGIN WHAT'S UP
The change might not be as bad as you guys think honestly yve pick rate and winrate is still up there and she does a lot more damage now. She's more of a damage mage than control mage now
The other day tried her without knowing she had a nerf, and I got so scared like wtf my ult can’t reach
lmao enemies keep popping up one by one. they aren't even trying to work together. sucks for them
This nerf removed the aspect of yve getting picked being yve main sux now I even notice at my games on how often I use her ult since it's better to use her 1st and 2nd skill rather than to gamble on her ult that enemies can just walk out of and run or just straight up kill u especially when playing solo with her where your allies doesn't know on how to protect u and just leave you to die I wish they just put it in 6,6 so it wouldn't hurt much.
Btw to be a better on that here ultimate, whenever you're a 1v1 or 2v1.. whenever you cast ultimate you need to create a 4x4 for making a box of slow then tap tap tap the screen, like that you're more likely to hit tham instead of tham moving around
Just reminder ling 1st skill bug is back. if you die on the wall the 1st skill CD is there. no reset.
6x6 would’ve been ok. 5x5 EVERYONE walks out of her últ.
Instead of shortening her ult range vertically (she's a poking mage, which is why long range skills are important). Just adjust where the ult is positioned. Like make it affect 5x5 too but make the board further from yve like 7x5 but without the first 2 rows of squares actually being impactable or usable(measurement is from yve to an outward direction). Or just revert the ult back to the original
One thing I like about Yve is she’s like Valentina who only needs 1st and 2nd skill to harass her enemy. Even she doesn’t have that burst , her continuous damage is enough to melt even those tanks who has a full magic def build.
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
Atlas: *rawr*😏
i wish odette and pharsa had that too, cannot cancel the ultimate and it continous to cast
odette’s burst damage is reasonable and pharsa’s range also. Would rather not touch them
gameplay-affected changes hurt much more than pure values buff and nerfs. sure to moonton's wow she can do much more damage but what's the point if she's not as much fun as she used to be. same goes with Zhask n Minotaur.
imagine one day Fanny became underrated and moonton make her cable to have autoaim in exchange of stronger ultimate
This is a big nerf to her, even they bring back the old yve cc skills, i hope she can use flicker when using ultimate to avoid those who have suppression skill, like pharsa when using ultimate she can manage to escape by using flicker for not to cancel her ultimate
Letuzawa x Elgin connection
The very main purpose of Yve is to zone, by decreasing her Ultimate range it's like taking her whole purpose away. I will not use her in Rank anymore. Tried her in Mythic 2 Tier and she's just absolute trash. With the Meta of very Agile heroes, they can easily get outside of her ult.
Fun fact: that jawhead was flying
Is she still picked in Pro plays ? if not ..then this obviously is not a buff
yeah no thanks I gave up yve california top 50 yve . 54%wr about 600 matches . I playing one nerfed yve game and went 1-4-3 . It was a brutal asswhooping ,when normally i go 10 -5-7 average . its like playing with eudora you gotta hide in a bush to do anything no more staying behind turret.
Will Zilong's flip skill work on her when she is ultimating?.
No
The enemy has the guts to use Vexana out.. Like she is easy to be a target for gank and burst down... Just how this player played Vexana and able to help the team???
Welll if theres no suppression hero, Yin's ultimate can also cancel her ultimate