Why Nintendo Cancelled Rockstar's Kirby Game
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- DidYouKnowGaming takes a look at a lost Kirby game originally developed by Rockstar games back when they were called DMA design. This Super Nintendo title would've been called Kid Kirby, and was aimed at a younger audience with the SNES mouse as its main method of control.
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Special thanks to Meeper12346, Patrick Kerr, Paul Reeves, and Sean Hicks.
Research/Writing by Dylan Mansfield
Video Editing by TheCartoonGamer
Narration by Tony of @hard4games
Thumbnail art by JetPackBraggin
Sources/Further Reading:
Wallis, Alistair. “Playing Catch Up: GTA/Lemmings' Dave Jones.” Game Developer, 21 Dec. 2006, www.gamedeveloper.com/pc/play...
Dailly, Mike. “The Complete History of DMA Design.” Mike Dailly, 2004, www.javalemmings.com/DMA/DMA1_...
@snap2grid. “DMA stood for Direct Mind Access, when Dave announced the name at the computer club. He then apparently immediately forgot he said that. Then it (officially) didn't mean anything. Then (officially) stood for Doesn't Mean Anything, after a night out when he yelled it to a barman.” Twitter. 25 Apr. 2022, 11:32 a.m., / 1518629097227927558
Stanton, Rich. “The Making of Lemmings.” Read-Only Memory, 2015, 7 Jun. 2015, readonlymemory.vg/the-making-...
Kushner, David. Jacked: The Outlaw Story of Grand Theft Auto. John Wiley & Sons, 2012. pp. 20-26.
“Timex Man Set to Make a Million.” Daily Record, 4 May 1994, p. 19.
“NINTENDO AND UK-BASED DMA DESIGN ANNOUNCE PROJECT REALITY AGREEMENT” Nintendo, 2 May 1994. Press Release.
"SOFTWARE INNOVATIONS AND HOT DEVELOPER ALLIANCES HELP NINTENDO OFFER TOMORROW’S TECHNOLOGY FOR TODAY’S SYSTEMS." Nintendo, 23 Jun. 1994. Press Release.
Watson, James. “Games” DudleySoft.org, 21 Apr. 2009, web.archive.org/web/200904211...
Watson, James. “Kid Kirby - a real blast from the past for me.” GiantBomb, 25 Sept. 2008, www.giantbomb.com/profile/Dud...
Kerr, Patrick. Personal Interview. 10 Dec. 2022.
Anonymous. Personal Interview. 25 Apr. 2023.
Meeper12346. Interview with Steve Hammond. 9 May 2022.
“An Interview with David Jones.” NEXT Generation, Apr. 1997, p. 103-104.
Hammond, Steve. “Feature: The Making of Body Harvest.” Nintendo Life, 4 Jun. 2015, www.nintendolife.com/news/201...
Reeves, Paul. Personal Interview. 20 Jun. 2023.
Meeper12346. Interview with Mike Dailly. 30 Nov. 2017.
@snap2grid. “I'm the Steve mentioned in the article! I didn't work in the game directly, (I was part of DMA Design's Design Department), and I created the instruction booklet, including the writing and typesetting/layout and some overwrought graphic design! 3D renders came from the artists.” Twitter, 15 Jun. 2022, 12:33 p.m.,
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#kirby #nintendo #rockstar #snes - Hry
"The vehicle stealing mechanics were later incorporated into Planet Robobot."
that makes more sense the more I think about it.
Fascinating to think how for better or for worse, Nintendo is indirectly responsible for the likes of the rise of the GTA series or the entire PlayStation brand.
Sadly their 90s bullheadedness created their own worst enemies.
@@zigslotheonThe fierce competitiveness drove them to success. If it weren't for ps and sega who knows where nintendo would be right now. The thing is now companies are a bit too chummy, they've sort of settled in and it makes their games stale and predictable
The video made it seem like there wasn't any bad blood between Nintendo and DMA, but I find it very weird that a mainline GTA game never came to a non-portable Nintendo console until the Switch (which is hybrid) with the GTA Trilogy (I know that there were some GTA games on the GB and DS)
@@pablocasas5906 the last Nintendo console with about as much power as its competition was the GameCube, and Nintendo seemed to be morally against the GTA games during the GameCube era.
I believe something said in an E3 of that era was "Link will keep on adventuring. Donkey Kong will remain a lovable ape. And mario will never start shooting hookers." So they definitely had something against gta
@@Slenderquil but a GTA clone, True Crime, did appear on the GameCube
So, all of those controversies and crimes attributed to Grand Theft Auto were the fault of Kirby? I knew that little puffball was dangerous, but this is a whole different level.
Rockstar and Kirby is something I never thought I’d hear used in the same sentence.
Well for what it's worth, it was pre-Rockstar. Back when they were better known as the company that made Lemmings.
Same
Grand Kirby Auto, lmao.
Same.
@@mattwo7True but now I just wanna see a GTA clone for Kirby. But still make it Kirby if possible.
The fact that GTA exists from the cancellation of a Babified Kirby game is so ironic, would things be any different had Kid Kirby seen the light of Day? I was reminded of Starfox 2 which eventually got to see the light of day in 2017 on the SNES Classic and now Shantae Advance is coming soon.
Had Kid Kirby been released and had Nintendo been happy with the final result then I can see them buying part of DMA's stake, much like they did with Rare, and if things went nicely then maybe DMA or Rockstar would still be a developer for Nintendo today, instead of being sold to Microsoft. Of course, it's very unlikely they'd still make Grand Theft Auto or any game series like it, but I wouldn't say it is completely out of the table since at the time Nintendo was starting to cater for older and more mature audiences (with titles like Perfect Dark and Conker's Bad Fur Day). I will say that the idea of something like GTA being a Nintendo IP is incredibly funny and cursed.
Mother 3 (N64) soon...
@@me-xz8zf For all we know, GTA could've still existed at that timeline but less developed and underbaked and being just an interesting footnote as "Did you know that the guys who made Kid Kirby made this obscure game called Grand Theft Auto?".
@@rickydargence5948don't get your hopes up. Only reason some cancelled Nintendo games like StarFox 2 and Earthbound Beginnings were released is because they were actually finished, unlike Kid Kirby and Earthbound 64 which were barely half done, and likely deleted.
Granted, the notorious Nintendo Gigaleak proves Nintendo does archive many unfinished games concepts and projects.
@@me-xz8zfIn that alternate timeline, CJ made it to Smash Brawl.
I'm so happy to see Kid Kirby finally be more talked about
I’m not. Fuck that bullshit
@@Philyutuberwhat
@@Philyutuberwe've got massive finds coming up and you complain about kid kirby?
@@Philyutuber Woah, someone needs to calm down
The internet has gotten so good at finding lost media, I'm confident we'll have Kid Kirby within 2 years.
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." 😉
With the gigaleak that happened a few years ago the chances of the public seeing kid Kirby doesn't seem to be that bad.
@@nafofella6002gigaleak?
Unfortunately, what the Internet is often good at "finding'' is images like the ones mocked up for this video, mysteriously bereft of the context provided here. A pitch for an unfinished product is often 50% unreliable song-and-dance about how the product will change everyone's life, and its corporate audience knew it.
“ DreamLand… Home, At least I thought it was ‘til I fucked everything up”
I'm hoping there's a rom out there somewhere.
I really wanna see this. I've heard about kid Kirby for years but I never knew about its story.
So if Kid Kirby has hair, does that mean he’s bald now?
What if not hair, but actually an umbilical cord
@@jennasloan396But if it's an umbilical cord, where's Kirby's mom?
maybe he can just "suck it in" now that he's older, like how you can suck in your gut.
@@Emmariscobar Maybe living in a cute little cottage somewhere in Dreamland, getting visited off-screen by her son between games.
It's an exposed nerve ending 😂
“All we had to do, was follow the Waddle Dee Train, C(apsule) J!”
Seriously tho, found out there was more to Kid Kirby discovered some time ago, was wondering why I hadn’t heard a channel talk about it. Great to see coverage on an obscure area of Kirby history! Happy to see those sprites and level designs were featured here, and to know that the most unhinged violent game series all started with an even littler pink puffball!
Damn, this actually sounds really fun! It sounds like a combination of Kirby Canvas Curse and Mass Attack. This would've been really interesting for the system considering both were for the DS. Kudos to Sean for such amazing mock ups! Honestly makes me want to play this lost game.
When Mass Attack released, the Kirbies' running animation in that game always reminded me of Kid Kirby.
The idea on it's own sounds pretty cool, but I have to wonder if the difficulty would've been extremely easy, maybe too easy for most adults, considering they say it was made for an audience even younger than the other Kirby games.
We don't really know how interesting it would have been, though. It _sounds_ interesting, but that's the job of the pitch for a project, and to some degree, the job of anyone who worked on it who wants to work in the industry or be remembered well after leaving it. Mock-ups probably weren't the way to go here.
@@SuspiciousScout And this is the problem I'm talking about above. The discussion has now veered from a game that no one's seen into presuming that a general statement about that game can tell us precise information about a hot topic for the audience (whether Kirby games are "too easy").
I've always been glad that Kid Kirby never released, because I was never a fan of how the game looked-- or even the very idea of the game. Kirby is already supposed to be young, and his backstory is laid out in Kirby's Dream Land and Spring Breeze.
I also hated the idea of Kirby having cartoonish hair like he is depicted to have. My least favorite part about what we knew was Dedede's design, which I absolutely despised. I frequently thought "I'm glad Kid Kirby didn't happen, because then that horrific Dedede would have been canon" ...So when I got to 10:41, I nearly laughed out loud.
I really appreciate being able to learn more about the project. Even if I'm glad it never came to be, it's still a very interesting idea. The gameplay seems like it would've been fun, despite my issues with story and design! Sean Hicks did a fantastic job with his mockups. They definitely look very real, and help give a better understanding of what the game could've been.
The game has always given me heavy bootleg vibes. It reminds me of stuff like the classic Archie Sonic comics and DIC Sonic Cartoons, which similarly made up their own stories and ideas that are incompatible with the mainline games.
"I'm glad Kid Kirby didn't happen, because then that horrific Dedede would have been canon"
Then Forgotten Land and Return to Dream Land DX happened.
@Gnarfledarf there's no way you're comparing forgotten land dedede to THAT
@@GnarfledarfMangs guy still alive?
I've always been interested in Kid Kirby, much thanks for this deep dive.
Glad to have been a small part of this! Great job with the research and presentation on this one :)
It's crazy how much effort you guys put into these videos. Tracking down people for exclusive interviews and making custom art to convey what they're talking about is such a tremendous amount of work.
"All we had to do, was follow the damn train, Kirby!"
I clicked immediately the second I saw Kirby and CJ on the thumbnail.
Same thing. I used to play GTA PSP from my other related family from years ago. I don’t owned it, though.
If I were CJ I would bat Kirby to the next town
"All you had to do was follow the damn train, Kirby!"
@@Chaos89PThe Dededamn train.
@@IhartwalrusguyNaw, dawg; Kirby's too G for dat. He be slayin' whole-ass gods and dancin' on their graves. What's more, you F wit' him, you F wit' his whole Dream Posse. He got mo' sidekicks than a Bruce Lee flick and they WILL wreck ya. One of them will even lick ya for good measure.
It’s crazy to think that kid Kirby could of been the from the same devs as the gta series
*could have been
it’s crazy to think that the GTA series could have been from the same devs as Kid Kirby
@@dampking Insane how many people make this error
Kirby: "aw shit here we go again."
@@Recovery305who gives a shit
Thanks so much for having me on! 😊
I remember when my brother was a tester for Gremlin and they had some DMA testers in doing QA on body harvest and I found a bug while checking it out when he took me in overnight. Stayed up all night playing the Sin multiplayer demo, looking round the QA section and the security guard opened the vending machine and gave me a shit ton of chocolate 🤣
I've been watching this channel for several years now and I just wanted to say that the way it has evolved over the years is genuinely amazing, and videos like these are really showing off, from posting what basically was trivia compilations to now making well-researched mini-documentaires about obscure games containing mostly exclusive info. Great job
The thumbnail and title is going to give both Kirby and GTA fans crossover ideas. I can already imagine how the fan art would look like. Sounds like a potential meme.
insane audiovisual combo to start the video with
Awesome content as always DYKG!
DYKG’s passion for getting facts straight is incredible and greatly appreciated. I wish everyone took citations so seriously!
I love how this channel atarted as a silly little trivia thing, andthen evolved into real valuable journalism and historical preservation lmao
I always heard about Kid Kirby, but I never found out much about this obscure little thing online other than the surface-level information on it. It's awesome to see some more light being shed on this mysterious project!
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW THE GODAMN WARP STAR CJ
Damn, the lead that started the whole idea was let go before the end. That's really sad..
i think i was more surprised about them making lemmings than kirby
you guys keep getting better
Thank you 🙏
I am not ready
The more we dive into the history of these games and companies, it's crazy to see how many unintentional rivals Nintendo created 😂
Nintendo copyright my brother named Mario again dammit
They're like the Ferrari of videogames
@@NetBattler That has nothing to do with the main comment
What rival? rockstar dont even create consoles
@@ausgod538 there's more to a game company than the console they make... business is business
Meeper in the Special Thanks of a DYKG video... Common Meeper W. Great video!
Imagine Rockstar makes GTA: Kirby edition and they incorporate San Andreas soundtrack
It's crazy to me that we've reached a time where you can say "Lemmings" and not everyone immediately knows what you're talking about.
"what are you worried about? It's planet Popstar, not Rockstar!" Lol
Kirby's from planet Popstar, but can he be a..... Rockstar?
clearly never seen him on the Mike ability
@@Ginrikuzuma True, but I have yet to see a guitar on him in official work 😏
not until he reaches level 2
that attenna is gross
whoooa cool mockups
this is wild because they gave kirby's origin specific lore in the anime later and it's so very different
also funny that this gameplay is not dissimilar to mass attack, though with a bit more lemmings and just one kirby.
I am now championing the idea that Grand theft Auto wouldn't exist without Kirby and I reject any other narrative moving forward. 😂
(Kirby blazing through hordes of Waddle Dees)
King Dedede: _"Aw shit, here we go again..."_
No wonder Master Hand antagonizes Kirby & his fellow Smash Bros. Crew. He holds a grudge that a game he could've debuted in got cancelled. All Master Hand wanted to be was Kirby's babysitter.
3:22 They helped make Lemmings!? *Mind blown*
It's so bizarre to think about... more or less, the same people that worked on the mature hit series GTA, the same series where you gun and run over people in violent ways... those people were working on a title for the squeaky clean franchise Kirby... and making it for even younger kids.
How very polarizing. XDDD
Thank you for reminding me of "Blood Money" on the Amiga! I thought I dreamt that game.
I still have Body Harvest, as well as the other DMA N64 game I think they were alluding to: Space Station Silicon Valley.
I was surprised it wasn’t mentioned.
Very happy to see Tony repping H4G here! I feel like he was a perfect fit for this video, considering how H4G has been heavily involved with preservation as of late. Love to see them get more attention!
Kirby is too gangster for this world.
People always remember of rockstar/DMA for grand theft auto, but I will always remember them for shaping my childhood with the original Lemmings
y'all are always doin the most . we seriously appreciate the content n hard work everyone puts into these videos !! such fantastic insight always !!
Does this mean that CJ in smash is hypothetically possible?
Oh damn we know way more about this game than i thought we did
Today I learned that Rockstar Games was not only once attached to Kirby, but created The Lemmings.
They eventually took the project off the shelf, just replaced the kirby character with John Marston, and it became RDR.
I had no idea they did Lemmings. That's crazy.
oh shit, super cool to see h4g narrating one of these!
Thanks! 🙂
@@hard4games wow! didn't expect a reply from you haha. been a big fan of the channel for years.
I'd still like to see more Lemmings games. Those were a frustrating blast.
I totally thought this was just a normal Hard4Games video once I started watching, totally forgot it was DYKG lol
Pretty cool! I didn’t know this game existed
Kid Kirby walked so GTA could run
Over pedestrians, gang members, prostitutes, cops
I love these Kirby lost games!
I wonder how Masahiro Sakurai feels about this.
man i love the art of Kid Kirby, Kirby himself esp cute
Oh god, "Kirby with a gun"
Never knew, cool video!
Kirby with a Superman curl looks cursed af
2:01 MOOD KINDRED!
I mean I don't think I've ever been in a school with only one computer (I don't really remember much of my childhood) but other than that.
Oh damn, Hard4Games?! Niiice
I laughed my ass off seeing the intro of kirby with the san andreas music
I had to double check if my playback speed on CZcams was increased, because the pace of this presentation made me feel nervous.
I've always wanted to know more about this! Well done!
Kirby video with GTA music 🤣😁🤣
Ooo sounds like a crazy crossover
"A kirby game would not be complete without copy abilities".
Kirby's Dreamland will remember this...
Imagine if future games had to write around the fact that Kirby used to have hair
>Cake is stolen or some [beep] happening.
Kirby: Oh [beep], here we go again...
Thanks DYKG
5:29 Don't forget Pac-Man Jr, Donkey Kong Jr and Kid Dracula (There's also Ecco Jr, Virtua Fighter Kids, Twisted Metal Small Brawll and Dragon Quest Monsters, Enix's side of Square Enix is still doing this too lol)
But not Bomber Boy, that's a weird one. It starred Bomberman and was only even tied to Bomberman in Japan. In the US and Europe it had different names and branding. I don't understand any of it. I mean usually Game Boy games had "GB" in their title as part of the seemingly unofficial "Nintendo naming convention" as I call it. Like "Super" for SNES and "Advance" for GBA and "DS" for NDS. I mean Nintendo used them for their own first and second party games but I presently have no reason to believe they ever mandated it on third parties as not every game had it, usually it was for ports, handheld versions or new entries in a franchise that _usually_ didn't have a unique moniker like Super Mario Bros, Bomberman GB and Shantae Advance (which actually did have a unique moniker).
As a fan of this channel, I really appreciate the journalistic work you do over and above the CZcams standard of "reading hinge stuff from the wiki". And it's in that spirit that I'm saying this: I'm not thrilled by the choice to mock up images that aren't real. I do appreciate you noting it and watermarking it, but you don't have to fake things to be visually interesting on this topic. And another BIG problem with CZcams on video game development is that it tends to present the pitch document as the unrealized product itself, which pretty much never happens in reality.
What's bizarre about the first GTA is that it shares the same day and month of launch with Super Mario Land 2 if you live in the UK.
If Rockstar would make a Kirby game:_
Kirby sleeps. The earth is shaking, storms coming. Kirby wakes up.
"Aww shit.... here we go again!"
It’s kinda funny, because the “commanding Kirby” premise for the game sort of returned with Kirby Mass Attack.
I'm glad Kid Kirby never got to see the light of day. Not only does the design look stupid but kidifying Kirby is redundant.
RockStar DMA Design must plays ! BodyHarvest top underated Rockstar DMA game.
Still having a fisical copy, so good
I dunno how I feel about this suggested story for Kid Kirby. I mean, he's young anyway, right?
Something about the visual of Kirby flying around to the tune of GTA San Andreas at the very start of the video is just such great comedy lmao
While it's cool to know more, as I always wondered what more there was. In a way, glad it didn't pan out
Nice seeing Tony on narration, was a nice surprise. More than well-earned, and mind you. Man's busy, he's a dad
Also, the Kirby Super Star intro with the San Andreas theme was hilarious, big ups to the editor for that
Someone should try to replicate this as a fan game! It seems like it could be a really fun game!
I heard a little pop XD 11:21
I love it!
Cool to hear Tony. Great job!
Kirby looking like kid buu
5 years since the last Kirby one, glad I made it to the 3rd ever DYKG Kirby video
Man it's been that long
we need another giga leak
The opening to this video is so good
We finally found Kid Kirby, Thats great.
Oh wow...
cant believe Club NIntendo is one to have mention it back in the day... maybe i even have that issue...
Here we go again…
Now this is great content
Are those manual pages publicly available to look at, or were you shown them privately? It would be cool to document them all publicly
They’re up on WiKirby (for example).