Roman gets Will Smith'd - Succession 2x6, "Argrestes" - Group Reaction
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- The cruise line scandal finally capsizes on the Roys while they're at a corporate summit trying to close the Pierce deal in Season 2 Episode 6 of Succession. The Normies review and discuss the episode after the reaction.
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X Men ‘97
Logan was pissed at Shiv so he hit Roman. That’s pretty much the clearest view into there childhood u can get.
I believe it’s been analyzed that the siblings are meant to represent the F trauma responses. Connor(Flight), Kendall (Fight), Shiv(Freeze), Roman(Fawn). Although they all can sometimes exhibit all of these at different times it seems the assigned ones of each of these is the most dominant in the characterization. And yes, Roman was most definitely abused in childhood.
I think Roman is more the 5th one Flop
I think Ken’s reaction to Logan hitting Roman is a very big sign that this isn’t the first time it’s happened. There have been a lot of signs in the show so far that Roman is Logan’s punching bag. Even in the first episode of season 2, Shiv says something about Logan beating Rome for ordering lobster when they were kids while Kendall always gets off easy.
I think i heard that it was also Jeremy's improvisation, in the script Logan wasn't even supposed to hit him, just wave his arm, but Brian actually slapped him and Jeremy swooped in
@@viv12348 why would Brian slap his costar without telling him first?
@rexibhazoboa7097 that happens all the time. Brad pitt didn't know Ed nortan was going to punch him in the ear until after he got hit in fight club. A lot of stories like that in movie making.
@@viv12348No, the slaps in the script.
@@smichelle65 Ok then
Micky crushing on Karolina is valid as fuck
I've loved her since I watched The Count of Monte Cristo as a kid
“it’s like a telltale game, no right answer” 💀💀
Guys, Shiv is actually the baby, not Roman. Official sibling order is: Connor, Kendall, Roman, Shiv. I watched the entire series thinking Shiv was older than Roman as well, only to find out Shiv is the baby, lol.
How is it possible that people still don't know that?
@@liljackypaper Because people aren't as smart as you
@@liljackypaper I don’t remember when it comes up, but I too went through at least a season or two thinking it was Roman, based on how he behaves and is treated. But I know it does happen. A large family I know feels like it has two babies the actual youngest, and the youngest boy. the sibling in between these two behaves like she is an older sibling.
Thats because it wasn't written into the show... they just retconned it. And not even really, an HBO character page mistakenly (at that point) described Shiv as the youngest but it was literally never decided in the writers room. Jesse Armstrong then kind of half-heartedly agreed in an interview because Kieran Culkin is older than Sarah Snook.
Logan is not a nepo baby at all, he's self made. He's a terrible person who exploits anyone and everything but it was all from his own intelligence and luck. He grew up dirt poor.
Did you not watch the fourth season? He's not a nepo baby but he didn't grow up dirt poor, he grew up with his aunt and uncle who "well, they had a little money" and Logan inherited his uncle's business which he turned into Waystar. Yes he knows what it takes to build a business into an empire, unlike his kids and yes he's way more grounded but by no means does he have a rags to riches story
no he didn't, his uncle had businesses and helped him
@@ArthurKnight1899 Yeah, his uncle was a swell guy who did everything to help Logan! He even "massaged" his back 😂
Mickey implied he's a nepobaby by saying he's nothing without his wealth and he definitely isn't in any way.
Logan worked himself to the top in the media industry by being smart, brutal and cold just like Murdoch did after he left Australia for England and then the US.
He's a terrible but complex man and it's fine to hate him but it's disingenuous to imply he got it all delivered on a silver platter.
It all came from his intelligence, lack of empathy, luck etc and not because his uncle gave him a job when he was a teen in Canada lol. That's ridiculous..
Mickey also said that Logan is nothing without his wealth and has no backbone. I don't understand how someone who finished the whole series could come to that conclusion. We repeatedly see that Logan has the business acumen to come out on top unlike his immature kids.
@@BK-ob3lo yeah that's pretty much what I was referring to, it kinda annoyed me tbh.
He clearly hasn't paid attention or doesn't understand the show at all if that's how he views Logan.
His children are the definition of nepo babies / nothing without wealth but Logan is the oppsite, he came from nothing and only achieved what he did by using his intellect.
I think Mickey can't accept that a terrible person he despises actually is intellegent, I despise Logan too but he's extremely smart (and brutal), it just feels kinda virtue signal-ish?
It must be exhausting watching shows as the guy on the left. Bro can NOT take the story for what it is and enjoy it
21:20 “this man is nothing without his wealth.” Well besides that Ms. Lincoln how was the play?
Logan unlike the kids actually built that whole empire.
Mickey takes this stuff way too seriously😬..Kind of ruins the fun.
The editor went rogue in this reaction and I'm all for it.
The far left guy is on his pedestal, just reducing all these complex characters.
23:32 This is a great take from Chris and it actually harkens back to Greg saying earlier in the episode "I hope he doesn't do me" in response to the stand up comic when in actuality, neither Tom nor Greg are high enough in importance to be targeted by the comic.
I think the one who was most physically abused was Roman.
I love the editor's comments this episode
The brain rot is deep in Micky
21:49 🤦🏼♂️ Logan is fully capable of fighting battles; he’s smart to delegate & not put his face on every battle.
“Logan is nothing without his wealth”
He came from nothing dog
both can be true. he hasnt been poor for a very very long time
@@lewis0705 okay but that's like saying Tyson is nothing without his training and physique, Logan earned his wealth because of who he is, he came from nothing, no big name or money backing him, he got there with his cunning, ambition, tenacity and all the experiences he lived through. "How much is a gallon of milk?" Logan knows the value of things despite having near infinite wealth, he is not out of touch with the common person, it's the opposite, he knows well how a common person thinks, thats how he made his wealth, just look at his reaction to Roman ripping a check in front of the boy in season 1.
@@lewis0705 who are you without your best qualities?
@rexibhazoboa7097 you've perfectly agreed with me with that sentence if your best quality is being rich, then you are nothing without that
@@lewis0705 Logan's best quality isn't his wealth, his wealth is what he has to show for, he got it because of his best qualities. Your pfp is literally Aegon the Conqueror, you should know that it's not that simple.
Bro, Logan literally came from nothing how tf did you come to the conclusion that he has no backbone and is nothing without his wealth. He started with no real big wealth. wtf are you even talking about. it really says something when the editors writes 10 lines with more substance than your entire intro and discussion, its crazy.
Micky wants to be portrayed as the "smart one," hence all the surface level readings of "rich people bad."
The editor is actually the best reactor in a way 😂
Really appreciate the editor's commentary but also really enjoyed the piss talk. Love the odd side quests their convos take.😄
Logan is pissed that his age, health and temper are not allowing him to be a fully functional ceo. It triggers him to see that his kids could replace him and they might actually do a good job saving the company and taking it further. A sane father would put the kids in place in key positions and not make them compete like this. I'd put Ken as ceo, Shiv in pr and Roman in finances. Yes it's nepotism, but they are actually decent at their jobs and when they actually work together they accomplish things. The dinosaur comment worked in this situation, but logan's ego can't handle other people seeing potential in his kids who are fixing his mistakes now, in his twisted mind they make him look bad when he actually should be proud.
Ngl Micky's reading of everything feels so surface level, which makes it funny he supposedly said they'd be too dumb for the show.
Why does he act like this is real life.. It's a show made for entertainment and he's talking as if they're real people and need to take accountability! Nah man it's a show and they're gonna fuck up and do dumb shit and thats what makes it entertaining
@@d_shi well said, the show is primarily a comedy and secondarily a drama.
It's meant to be funny, sad and dramatic and yes it has plenty of inspiration from real people and events, but there's so much more to it than politics and nepotism.
And all he ever says is basically rich peopl=bad. No type of substance and as you said, very surface level. like a kid trying to have an conversation with adults.
Someone thinks they’re Beyonce 😭😂
Shout out to the editor for such a funny intro.
Micky is such a bore. What is the point of watching such a nuanced, complex show when you view it through the most one-dimensional lens and spout the most boring platittudes like "Logan is nothing without his wealth" (??).
Completely agree, which is why I find it funny he was the one who supposedly said they were "too dumb for the show." Everything this man has said is the most surface level shit that all boils down to "rich people bad."
@@ianp5367like the show isn’t saying you should like the rich but viewing them all as one dimensional characters is a disservice to the acting abilities and writing that the show offers
@@blueyeshadow2738Absolutely. I’d even go as far to say that the show attempts to make all of the characters somewhat sympathetic in some way. You even sympathize a bit with Logan when you find out about what happened to his sister in the 2nd to last episode.
@@blueyeshadow2738 Exactly
He seems to think Logan is product of nepotism. Did he forget that he worked by himself to become a billionaire ? Those billions don't fall from the sky
Fisher Stevens also dated Michelle Pffeiffer during her Fabulous Baker Boys and Catwoman era.
LOVE the editors notes...keep'em comin💯🔥🔥🔥
What the fuck is Micky talking about?
"This man is nothing without his wealth" - that's like saying a bodybuilder is nothing without his muscles. I think Mickey's critique can be levelled at the kids, but Logan built this from nothing. He's a demon of a man, but he's a force of nature.
Yeah Logan is self-made not inherited wealth. Mickey has his hateboner pointed in the wrong direction there.
@@iFruit96 True. We only know so much about how Logan was before but (regardless of how you feel about the idea of "self-made" billionaires), Logan definitely has aura, savvy, and vindictiveness that give him power over people. A lot of it is tied to his wealth but even the bank who HE owed money to and the people who hate him kinda shrink in front of him. Honestly Nan and Ewan might be the only two who haven't.
Mickey doesn't see Logan as a person. He is just a rich dude to Mickey, and Mickey hates rich dudes and rich dudes are nothing without their wealth, so Logan must also be an incompetent walking nothing if he wasn't wealthy. Severe prejudice coming from Mickey.
No, he makes a point. What you're doing is making money and success more important than compassion and empathy. Being remembered because of how much money you have or because you were a monster is NOT something to brag about.
@@Ejay669How? Logan is much worse than his children. Almost all of the negative parts of his children come from him as well. So Logan deserves most of the hate.
The weirdest take I have ever heard " Logan is nobody without his wealth he is less than nothing" from MICKY!!😅
Logan made his name, company and his wealth by his intelligence, how come you are mocking the intellect of an entrepreneur it amazes me!
Right?
Other than becoming one of the most powerful men in the world yes nothing!
This is coming from a guy who has seen the whole show too.
Logan is the only dude in the main cast who deserves respect. He’s an awful human being but credit where credit is due
exactly. Another funny thing is when you remove the qualities that make someone somebody, well ofcourse they will be a nobody then no?
Maybe at this age he lost the ability to lead the company probably bcs of not being able to cope with new things as ken said to him in the first episode
@@rexibhazoboa7097 not necessarily no.
A lot of people are not one dimensional
Logan can’t do shit that’s not wishing his position. He’s such a small man he could never handle interacting with a real person which is why he blows up all the time. You think Logan would be even remotely able to be on the stage fielding the hard questions about his character? Hell no, he is weak.
I love the text edits at the beginning haha
"this man is nothing without his wealth" 😵💫 alright karl marx
Goated editor 😂😭
Someone please give this editor a raise
6:37 the nod, im weak 😂
Also the guy on the left is giving ChatGPT type observations. Kendall is the fckup and Roman the baby? Really??? Kendall who was supposed to be the successor until ep 1? Kendall who has his own office next to Logan's and who has basically been mentored in the workings of Waystar for years?? That Kendall?
The moment Shiv realizes that while she has been pulling a 2nd rate political assistant and a stage actor for a play that might go bust and who doesn't know who she is because he doesn't watch tv, Tom can pull a beautiful and successful businesswoman (Nia), the kind that Shiv aspires to be. The last one though that Tom pulled was Tabitha (beautiful af) and they were also talking about business just as he is right now in this episode with Nia.
Damn. Nailed it
I think having Shiv speak was the right call, but NEITHER of them did a good job. Shiv was self-serving and unprepared and put her foot in her mouth; Kendall was a pompous proud moron that didn't want to get upstaged; and Roman was an annoying child as usual.
Rosencrantz & Guildenstern I think is who you are looking for Chris.
Ugh...I can't take it! I'm so impatient for you guys to get to seasons 3 & 4! Succession is the rare show that got progressively better each season. It truly deserved all the awards it got.
guy on left stop commentating your retro pls, just react
Did not expect Suraj to speak Greek in this video haha
Loved your reaction as always❤. You should watch society of the snow. It's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one. If you do watch it I recommend the original language with subtitles, the acting was amazing
Did you guys watch We Own This City after the Wire? Mickey’s gf Dagmara is in that too.
Lose micky for this show please
Amazing how hes become more hated than PAT 💀
the editor :)
Shiv held her own in the interview but she missed the point of the whole thing and that’s why everyone was pissed. She used the interview as a personal stage to flaunt herself and showed too much of her personal politics. Everything this kids are doing is like an interview to take Logan’s place and she did didn’t represent herself well in that moment in terms of being a future CEO of this particular company. The company was built on right wing politics and “good old boy” business. It might not survive a turn to the left and more modern strategies.
Is Pat sitting on Grogu? Lol
Shouldn't the title have been "Roman gets Chris Rock(ed)?" more accurate and clever play on words!! It was Right There!! LOL!!
21:50 They are not nothing, they can collect power even without money.
we're here
nice jacket Micky
I've been saying from the first episode this show is too smart for this group. Nikki was the only exception.
Chris is pretty smart though tbh, he just doesn't preach and get too into his own opinions which I respect.
@@QuzgaNah agreed, Micky is insufferable as the "smart one." All his readings are so surface level it hurts.
@@ianp5367 his comment about Logan being nothing without his wealth really summarized how he views this show lol.
Chris is smart enough even though he's very lib
@@Onche518 I'm not American but I'm quite left leaning, def not communist level left like Mickey maybe but I just hate when people simplify characters to good or bad.
I don't think your personal bias should impact how you view the character, that's just a disservice to the great writing.
The best part about Kendall defending Roman is that Jeremy Strong improvised that bit. It made the character that much more complex for me; even as Logan’s lapdog, he steps to him with aggression to defend his brother. Something that’s clearly happened when they were kids
Raymond Redingtons lawyer
6:02 Well he's supposed to play Jim Henson in the SNL movie. Also you guys should watch Zola he's great in that
2:29 lmao
bruh i hate micky so much
i'm greek and i'm excited :)
Again, micky and Chris dehumanizing and underestimate billions, saying they have no skill is wrong. Though, I understand why they're saying it but that's more out of resentment.
10:38 Pat coded
Oh HORSE POTATOES!
Where’s cobra Kai
Siobhan=Shove-on. Some of you aren't getting it.
The incessant SJW talking points were so needed, thank you Micky.
Wp editor
X Men ‘97
Mickey is new here, has he seen this? they never mention it with this piss intro
He was here last episode. He's seen the entire show.
@@barryaran6147you wouldn’t be able to tell based on his way off base interpretation of Logan
The response to Mickey's points is always so weird to me. He's allowed to have a perspective. Given that this show is inspired by real-life people, it makes sense that he would apply his real-world perspective to his takes. I dont always agree with him, but his opinion is his opinion, and that's okay. It's really fine.
Personally, I think he has a hard time separating his beliefs on the real world from the show. I'm pretty sure that Chris also has similar beliefs, but he only brings them up when the discussion naturally flows there. That being said, I don't think he was that bad in this reaction. It was last episode where he just went on a tangent and started soapboxing for no reason.
@barryaran6147 Well said, Chris understands it's mainly a comedy and doesn't take it that seriously.
I'm left leaning and would describe myself as quite progressive, so I do agree with most of their views, but I simply don't wanna watch someone turn succession into a political analysis..
When he pretty much exclusively talks about politics and not the other amazingly written/acted emotional aspects of the show it tends to feel quite preachy.
Also I feel like he doesn't understand the characters in the show and tries to make everything black or white, his comment about Logan not being anything without his wealth shows that tbh.
Honestly it’s just kind of random, and a lot of it is somewhat shallow.
It’s a lot of blanket statements that can just be applied to any show with rich people.
It’s because they’re hardly his opinions. They’re trite, vague political statements you could find by randomly opening twitter or turning on a Hasan Piker stream. They’re not insightful or interesting. And I say this as a very left leaning person.
People are also allowed to have opinions on his opinions and voice them in response.
Minus 50 for man-hands shiv. her old man will never trust her again. She screwed herself over 🤡
3:21 based Micky
when we watchin mha season 7
i poop my bed every night. i love it.
Am I the only one that makes the correlation that the writers use of the cruises as another way of them wanting to say Epstein island
The Epstein island scandal broke in mid-2019, and the cruises situation was set up since the beginning of season 1, which came out in 2018.
youre the only one lol
That notion being completely bogus is probably why nobody thinks that but you.
logan roy having shooters in poor/middle class ppl in this comment section is sooo funny, give it up people the billionaires are not gonna save you
Reading comprehension lessons might be worth looking into.
I didn’t see anyone saying he’s a good man or deserves respect or admiration moreso that he did come from nothing which objectively true and because of his ruthlessness and psychopathy he made his empire. A bad person but he made money because of his personality not the other way around
You realize the point of this show isn’t just to blindly hate rich people right? These are still complex characters and they all have good and bad qualities. That’s what makes the show so good.
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Why? This is not the place for evangelism