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Komentáƙe • 225

  • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
    @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed 3 lety +27

    Did you know we've started a podcast? We bring on excellent guests to discuss all things cEDH every week. Check out the playlist with all of our episodes below!
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    • @godtiermtg
      @godtiermtg Pƙed 3 lety

      Hey, I have a question. At 12:00, should Shaun have chosen to not change targets of Pact of Negation, forcing Folger to pay the mana for it, given that Pongify was gonna fizzle anyways?

    • @alexandercarrier9516
      @alexandercarrier9516 Pƙed 3 lety

      um 1:47 hullbreacher ?

    • @alexandercarrier9516
      @alexandercarrier9516 Pƙed 3 lety

      never mind

  • @AwesomeAustinPowrz
    @AwesomeAustinPowrz Pƙed 3 lety +37

    Seeing Hullbreacher for one last time and it entering the battlefield at sorcery speed is just hilarious!

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar Pƙed 3 lety +78

    For those complaining about the Thoracle win... in this game, does it really make any difference? After Folger resolved Ad Nauseam, victory was almost secured regardless of his combo choices.

    • @MexiPerplexi
      @MexiPerplexi Pƙed 3 lety +7

      Ad Naus is honestly more of a problem than Thoracle, imo.

    • @vanilleR028
      @vanilleR028 Pƙed 3 lety +14

      Still, is Zzzzzz to watch the same wincon in every u/b deck tbh

    • @ianoneill8392
      @ianoneill8392 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      @@vanilleR028 Why is the last 10 seconds of a game so impactful? The routes to get there are always different, that’s why the video is as long as it is. There’s a whole game that gets played to get there that isn’t being dramatically impacted by the combo.

    • @passprioritypodcast
      @passprioritypodcast Pƙed 3 lety +10

      @@ianoneill8392 thank you. A blessing to the wasteland known as the CZcams comment section. I don’t understand people who get pissy about thoracle wins, especially after a game like that.

    • @heathbasner9276
      @heathbasner9276 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      The no cards in the library win con is a cheap win i don't think should be a thing. I started playing during the first Ravnica Block back then if you had no library you lose due to deck out

  • @apocalypticoreos6460
    @apocalypticoreos6460 Pƙed 3 lety +60

    Wait shouldn’t jeweled lotus have been countered due to Lavinia? 11:05? I am not quite sure what the wording on that card implies, so maybe not

  • @badaryman7139
    @badaryman7139 Pƙed 3 lety +43

    Hullbreacher giving us the parting shot by oppressing the hell out of one last game, cheers! Hahaha

  • @DylanCEdh
    @DylanCEdh Pƙed 3 lety +46

    I like how Windfall and Hullbreacher are in two separate opening hands lol

  • @buddadragonmtg4848
    @buddadragonmtg4848 Pƙed 3 lety +5

    Man folgder is a damn good duelist. His ability to use interaction at a good time and usually get the win is amazing.

  • @trashbat999
    @trashbat999 Pƙed 3 lety +24

    i love a good flusterstorm stack. also couldn’t folger have countered the mystic remora with his mental misstep to fizzle mike’s swan song instead of countering swan song or did i miss something

    • @khurgar8120
      @khurgar8120 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      mystic remora isnt a problem as long as hullbreacher is in play.

    • @AlsoNamedChad
      @AlsoNamedChad Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@khurgar8120 But still, targeting remora would have been the optimal choice. Something could drastically change the board state at any time, so denying your opponent the chance to accrue resources in the future, no matter how small, is to your advantage if it cost you no additional resources.
      i.e. You ate already casting the misstep for 2 life. Targeting swan song gives opponent a fish. Targeting fish gives opponent nothing. Both are legal targets.

    • @khurgar8120
      @khurgar8120 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@AlsoNamedChad there can be a lot of reason for doing things. Everything from alliances to forcing your opponents to play differently should hull die. Ontop of that if remora is in play, will the player pay its upkeep or will he use removals for hull, thus using up resources to remove your stax piece, and if he does the rest of the table needs to consider if hull or remora is worse. Ontop of that folger probably wanted the board to be taxed somehow, so even if his hull dies remora will make the table play slower.
      To say that it was the optimal play only takes board state into mind, but a game is a lot more than just board state.

  • @weegeelinguini3704
    @weegeelinguini3704 Pƙed 3 lety +24

    10:44 shouldn't Folger have countered mystic remora to make swan song fizzle?

    • @nickfravel6489
      @nickfravel6489 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      I think it doesn't matter because hes got a hullbreacher out

    • @weegeelinguini3704
      @weegeelinguini3704 Pƙed 3 lety +10

      @@nickfravel6489 True, but what if someone kills hullbreacher the next turn? He's still missing out on removing potential value for free

    • @sylvanfranklin6904
      @sylvanfranklin6904 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@weegeelinguini3704 Yeah, I was thinking that too

    • @Frosthief
      @Frosthief Pƙed 3 lety

      They haven’t been able to remove it sooo long and Remora isn’t a may I don’t think so guaranteed treasure.

    • @weegeelinguini3704
      @weegeelinguini3704 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@Frosthief it's a may. But still

  • @dendecko2246
    @dendecko2246 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Thanks for the content. I found it hard to see the top corners of the mats where shaun was keeping his carpet of flowers. In the future just a framing thing but I'd recommend either asking the player to move the card into frame or giving an image of it somewhere else so it can be seen/remembered. Cheers!

  • @Egovinco98
    @Egovinco98 Pƙed 3 lety +6

    11:50
    after veil resolved, it would have been fine to not change targets via deflecting swat.
    Would force folger to pay for pact on his upkeep.
    also preventable by veiling after swat resolved

  • @Fromaginator
    @Fromaginator Pƙed 3 lety +9

    Heck of a fight on the second last turn

  • @Fdragon1337
    @Fdragon1337 Pƙed 3 lety +20

    Man Hullbreacher was opressive as hell bwahahaha. Folger didnt even need the thoracle this time it seems he might have just been able to smack everyone out in combat with all that life gain.

    • @abrahamdrinkin2534
      @abrahamdrinkin2534 Pƙed 3 lety

      Breacher did what it was made to do. Stop draws. It did not strip any hands this game

  • @AidanWR
    @AidanWR Pƙed 3 lety

    My favorite part is that this video is the first video to come out after the hullbreacher podcast. I waited to hear if this was recorded before the ban or not to make the comment

  • @JonathanHecht
    @JonathanHecht Pƙed 3 lety +3

    really liking folger's deck, its different from the thrassios vial smasher deck he used so far

  • @mathieulouis-jacques2600
    @mathieulouis-jacques2600 Pƙed 3 lety

    What is Mike's playmat and where can I get one?

  • @aftonlagrandeur5777
    @aftonlagrandeur5777 Pƙed 3 lety

    That was a spicy game. Wish we could’ve seen the omnath deck go off a little more but still a cool game

  • @HighlanderHipster
    @HighlanderHipster Pƙed 3 lety

    Got so hyped when I saw Rushing River... Then it got exiled turn one to a mox 😂

  • @kettutelvella122
    @kettutelvella122 Pƙed 3 lety

    I love Mike's playmat. Is that available online?

  • @greyaye8565
    @greyaye8565 Pƙed rokem

    4:48 "Omnath, Locust of the Roil" XD

  • @SirSimic
    @SirSimic Pƙed 3 lety

    This may be a dumb question but, I check your Patreon Page quite frequently and I never see the Mox Pearl level available. Am I just missing something?

    • @RossBox
      @RossBox Pƙed 3 lety +6

      It's a limited slot #
      If you're an existing patron or contact on twitter. You can always rotate with one of the pearls. Some of them don't mind rotating roles to let others have a one of month

  • @Caliban_80
    @Caliban_80 Pƙed 3 lety

    I love when the stack gets nuts!

  • @Strakneus
    @Strakneus Pƙed 3 lety +55

    So, reading through the comments I saw alot of salty "Thoracle wins boring" and "why show the episode when Hullbreacher is banned" comments...
    I loved the episode! I'm in complete agreement of the ban, and this game perfectly shows why! Also. The Thoracle win was hard achieved by Folger being archenemy and targeted like that most of the game.
    Keep up the good work!

    • @Hitzel
      @Hitzel Pƙed 3 lety +13

      It still is weird to me that people can watch 20 minutes of awesome gameplay, yet still forget everything and get salty when Thoracle wins a game already won. It's like watching a new episode of your favorite anime, then rage throwing your remote into the TV because they still use the same outro music.

    • @mattecatthechannel9236
      @mattecatthechannel9236 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      It does not matters what you fought through to win using Thoracle. Sorry not sorry.

    • @mechaelbrun-kestler3868
      @mechaelbrun-kestler3868 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      This episode showed why Hullbreacher got the hammer. One stax piece that slowed the entire game to a grind in a color that can easily abuse it.

    • @Strakneus
      @Strakneus Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@Hitzel exactly this. I loved the episode because it showed what cEDH is all about. Waiting to be able to go of and timing it perfectly. I don't personally play it, but I appreciate the patience and skill that is involved with cEDH.

    • @DarkEinherjar
      @DarkEinherjar Pƙed 3 lety +2

      This is one game where no one can really be mad about the Thoracle win... Folger resolved an Ad Nauseam, his victory was an inevitability after that.

  • @nolife874
    @nolife874 Pƙed 3 lety +26

    I think ikra should be mvp it gave Folger enough life to play ad naus and live he was at 18 left at the lowest before starting to gain back life and spent over 20 life on ad naus to find the win

  • @orsettomorbido
    @orsettomorbido Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Really an interesting game!

  • @nharviala
    @nharviala Pƙed 3 lety +4

    I have to say, watching this after your podcast about the ban, I agree. This wasn't as interesting a game to watch, purely because of Breacher. Nothing against you guys, you definitely made the best of the bad situation, but it'll be nice to see such an oppressive card go.

  • @evanpeabody6351
    @evanpeabody6351 Pƙed 3 lety

    Hi I am new to Cedh, currently I have one deck, Tasigur, focusing on Dramatic Scepter with Thassa/Lab man mill combo and I wanted to make something a little different with some partners I have (Tymna, Tevesh, Thrasios, Vial, Sakashima, Kraum). Could somebody give a brief explanation on some of these pairings playstyle/win cons, currently I am looking for another disruptive deck to challenge my Tasigur deck, Thank you.

  • @einoseikkula1847
    @einoseikkula1847 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Am i missing something, what prevents mike from searching library for an answer to krum with sisay?

  • @ShadowWasntHere8433
    @ShadowWasntHere8433 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Green Grixis is just soooooo gooood

  • @waynereed836
    @waynereed836 Pƙed 3 lety

    Loving your content guys. Learning a lot so far, but I do not know how flashing in a dual caster mage saved the game.

    • @salvatorestabile5547
      @salvatorestabile5547 Pƙed 3 lety

      Was a blocker so Derevi didn't untap his lands to be able to get extra combats with Najeela

    • @waynereed836
      @waynereed836 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@salvatorestabile5547 AHHHHH okay, makes sense, cool

  • @kingginger3335
    @kingginger3335 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Is there a link to the Sisay deck list? I've been wanting to build her but don't know how I want to do it lol

  • @brettsutherland8390
    @brettsutherland8390 Pƙed 3 lety

    Damn folger played that so well

  • @daybreak817
    @daybreak817 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Thassa's Oracle win? This is when I like the video because it's a great win condition and the actual contents of the game matter more than the combo that ends it.

  • @nickbowen3695
    @nickbowen3695 Pƙed 3 lety

    What is Mike's playmat?

  • @NachWolf
    @NachWolf Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Very happy to see a Thoracle win. Especially well earned ones. It's important to know how to play with and against Thoracle, and seeing the lines to get there are very educational. Thank you for still posting this video!

  • @rabidpickleosrs2995
    @rabidpickleosrs2995 Pƙed 3 lety

    I see Omnath Locus of the Roil, I watch it.

  • @TheMightyBattleSquid
    @TheMightyBattleSquid Pƙed 3 lety

    How is Zack countering fierce guardianship with force of negation not considered playing kingmaker? What benefit does Zack get from being hullbreacher + wheeled?

    • @Frosthief
      @Frosthief Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Folger not winning that next turn. They knew he had a lethal in hand.

  • @deant01
    @deant01 Pƙed 3 lety

    why didnt mike chumpblock with sissay to recast her???

  • @mohammadkhalifa3176
    @mohammadkhalifa3176 Pƙed 3 lety

    Epiiiccc

  • @joelreschke6200
    @joelreschke6200 Pƙed 3 lety

    Why did Folger counter the Swan Song instead of the Mystic Remora? Wouldn't countering the Fish deny the flying blocker by having swan song fizzle and the fish itself.

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed 3 lety

      He kept the fish so he could potentially gain more treasures through Hullbreacher.

    • @joelreschke6200
      @joelreschke6200 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@PlayingWithPowerMTG oh that’s right, it was still in play, very nice

    • @TomGalonska
      @TomGalonska Pƙed 3 lety

      @@PlayingWithPowerMTG Cute idea, but remora is a may-abillity ;) But small mistakes happen :) It was a great episode and Folger deserved to win. When the Ad-Nauseaum player goes off with 38 life, you know it's gonna be disgusting :D

  • @emarmy00
    @emarmy00 Pƙed 3 lety

    1 Love!

  • @LuisBarrim
    @LuisBarrim Pƙed 3 lety +6

    Another game that I ask "Where is Trickbind?"
    It stops Thoracle (killing the Thoracle user) and Najeela infinite, and can't be interacted with. (Only citing win conditions of this game).
    It is so devastating agains Thoracle that makes players think twice to go for that win.

    • @chrisbedrin3618
      @chrisbedrin3618 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      People need to recognize the value of Split Second. Trickbind, Sudden Spoiling, and Angel's Grace all stop Thoracle and Najeela (though Angel's Grace for Najeela isn't ideal), and that's the end of the discussion, no counter wars or winning over the top, just no.

  • @lucassantiagodominguez
    @lucassantiagodominguez Pƙed 3 lety +5

    Good episode! After watching it, I'm more convinced that Hullbreacher didn't need to go.
    PS: The Sisay player almost had it. I thought it was game over đŸ€Ł

    • @khurgar8120
      @khurgar8120 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      You saw this episode and thought "damn, hullbreacher sure didnt need a ban"? I think you are pretty alone in that thought department.

    • @FPRobber
      @FPRobber Pƙed 3 lety

      Is that sarcasm? And if not, why?

    • @lucassantiagodominguez
      @lucassantiagodominguez Pƙed 3 lety

      @@FPRobber ​ Hi there! It wasn't sarcasm. I do not agree with the banlist in general (for me it shouldn't exist at all).
      But for this particular case, and in my opinion, Hullbreacher stopped the Rhystic Study and Sylvan Library players and made the game more interesting.

    • @khurgar8120
      @khurgar8120 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@lucassantiagodominguez You think watching 2 players being allowed to play in a 4 player game makes it more interesting?

    • @lucassantiagodominguez
      @lucassantiagodominguez Pƙed 3 lety

      @@khurgar8120 I think stax pieces, interaction and resource denial make games more interesting, yes!

  • @scottlewis7654
    @scottlewis7654 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Poor Zack...

  • @Grand_Admiral
    @Grand_Admiral Pƙed 3 lety

    Play a sweet, altered Carpet of Flowers.... and then hide it so nobody can see it. :(

  • @MaidenlessVI
    @MaidenlessVI Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Let's go Ohio!

  • @Kaiser-S0ul
    @Kaiser-S0ul Pƙed 3 lety

    Honest play pattern question: At 10:38 a Mental Misstep countering the Swan Song being used to make a flying blocker. Would it not have been a better choice to counter the Mystic Remora, as it would have denied Mike both card draw and his blocker? They're both 1MV cards so both are legal targets.

    • @deant01
      @deant01 Pƙed 3 lety

      he had blockers and he tryed to make the bird, i dont understand mike's line there

  • @r3dmanMIC
    @r3dmanMIC Pƙed 3 lety +44

    This game exemplifies *perfectly* why Hullbreacher being banned is a good thing.

    • @NubRusty
      @NubRusty Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Preech

    • @abrahamdrinkin2534
      @abrahamdrinkin2534 Pƙed 3 lety

      Actually it doesn’t. It did not strip any hands. It’s supposed to be used like this. Previous games where someone wins after a wheel, is why it should be banned

  • @JLH111176
    @JLH111176 Pƙed 3 lety

    What were they thinking when they put instead on hull breacher ?

    • @FPRobber
      @FPRobber Pƙed 3 lety

      Because that would have been the White version of the card and they really needed to give Blue a better tool to keep up with the card draw of non-blue decks.

  • @bluedemonnn
    @bluedemonnn Pƙed 3 lety

    Does the Playing With Power crew believe Hullbreacher should've been banned? I know this game shows what it can do, but then again this is cEDH. Do you think cEDH should have it's own rules committee?

    • @leress
      @leress Pƙed 3 lety +2

      I know Ryan specifically loved the ban. He said so on his video with Jim of the Spikefeeders/CAG

  • @bonedappetit3444
    @bonedappetit3444 Pƙed 3 lety

    How did Folger win if he didn’t pay for his pact of negation trigger?

    • @diegopicchetto5250
      @diegopicchetto5250 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      It didn't resolve. Deflecting Swat changes the target of Pact to Deflecting Swat, then when pact tries to resolve its target is no longer on the stack. Therefore there was no delayed trigger of pay or loose the game. :D

    • @themadstudent
      @themadstudent Pƙed 3 lety

      @@diegopicchetto5250 Didn't veil of summer stop swat from resolving?

    • @chrisbedrin3618
      @chrisbedrin3618 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@themadstudent veil doesn't do anything to red spells. It only nerfs black and blue. So veil can't stop swat.

    • @diegopicchetto5250
      @diegopicchetto5250 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@themadstudent Veil of Summer makes it so that your spells cannot be countered, but swat is not countering. The spell is "countered" by the rules as it fizzles without a target. The purpose of Vein wasn't to protect pact but to create a window for the Ad Nauseam played shortly thereafter.

    • @deant01
      @deant01 Pƙed 3 lety

      does it have to resolv? paying next turn is part of it cost i believe.

  • @wonderbread840
    @wonderbread840 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Man hullbreacher just slammed the brakes on the game

  • @089Memo90
    @089Memo90 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    More Shaun please! :)

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed 3 lety +2

      More to come! We'll be recording a game with him on our next Patreon day :)

  • @RebellSon
    @RebellSon Pƙed 3 lety +5

    If you guys wanted a SisayElk pilot you have my number

  • @jasonandrews1770
    @jasonandrews1770 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Ngl id rather they baned some of the wheel effects rather than every other card that abuses them

  • @erayhaselton
    @erayhaselton Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I think people saying boring thoracle win don't rly understand cedh lol. Like ya Folger won with thoracle but the game was over when ad naus resolved. Interesting duel between mike and Folger, a shame the other 2 seemed locked under the stax pieces.

  • @ShadowWasntHere8433
    @ShadowWasntHere8433 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Why don't you use Sylvan Library? Are you saying it's bad to draw one, then put it back, lose 4 and give Folger 2 treasures????

    • @MrKillrpig
      @MrKillrpig Pƙed 3 lety

      Sarcasm, yes? I cant tell with text.

  • @chocolateking1143
    @chocolateking1143 Pƙed 3 lety +8

    Butttt hullllbreaaacherrrr Iss bannneddd.

  • @DarkEinherjar
    @DarkEinherjar Pƙed 3 lety +1

    And if you were wondering why Hullbreacher needed to be banned... well, this game is a perfect example.

    • @salvatorestabile5547
      @salvatorestabile5547 Pƙed 3 lety

      This is actually exactly how Hullbreacher was supposed to be played. The boring Thoracle win as normal is why Thoracle needs to be banned

  • @eduxbleix
    @eduxbleix Pƙed 3 lety

    Hullbreacher no ban??

  • @abrahamdrinkin2534
    @abrahamdrinkin2534 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    This game showed why Hullbreacher-esk effects need to exist. Hopefully we get a new one that doesn’t quite win games like Breacher did.

    • @salchi-papa
      @salchi-papa Pƙed 3 lety

      notion thief and narset parter of veils already exist.

    • @abrahamdrinkin2534
      @abrahamdrinkin2534 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@salchi-papa and you didn’t see either this game. Despite having those options, another card similar to them is still needed

    • @salchi-papa
      @salchi-papa Pƙed 3 lety

      @@abrahamdrinkin2534 they weren’t in this game because this was before the hull breacher ban. Now that hullbreacher is banned, you’re going to see a return of motion thief and narset. Why run notion thief for 4 when you could run HB for 3z

    • @salchi-papa
      @salchi-papa Pƙed 3 lety

      @@abrahamdrinkin2534 to tack on: Narset, Parter of veils; Notion Thief; Alms Collector; Spirit of the labyrinth and chains of Mephistopheles are all valid options. The problem was pre-ban HB was just strictly better than any of these. So if you weren’t going full stax effects, there was no point in running anything but HB.

    • @abrahamdrinkin2534
      @abrahamdrinkin2534 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@salchi-papa yeah the worse versions are going to show up because the best option is gone. Breacher was so good it was enough to leave out Thief and Narset from your deck list. Do you have a point? You’ve yet to make one

  • @alexbrown2862
    @alexbrown2862 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    F in the comments for hullbreacher you'll be missed

  • @zwolf4118
    @zwolf4118 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I will admit I am happy that hullbreacher got the hammer. But I feel that Oracle needs to be banned

  • @MomirViggwilv
    @MomirViggwilv Pƙed 3 lety +1

    People might complain about Oracle or Hullbreacher being the deciding factor of the game, but rather I think that this game is a perfect example of why Kodama-Sakashima just isn't that powerful of a partner pairing. The whole game Zack was twiddling his thumbs, not able to leverage his Commanders for value, while Mike and Folger were able to build up more dominant boardstates and handstates.
    For similar reasons, I think Shaun's deck might need a bit of retooling; maybe 4C Omnath instead of 3C? It didn't seem like his commander did much besides just grow slightly bigger.

  • @timtauber5557
    @timtauber5557 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Pod needed more interaction. Too many things went unanswered.

    • @wirakirros7281
      @wirakirros7281 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      2 players couldn't really draw into interactions since their hands were full of draw cards while Hullbreacher was on the field. Shaun had Windfall, Ponder, and Timetwister in hand. Zack had Sylvan Library and Rhystic Study on board. But then, Hullbreacher.

    • @timtauber5557
      @timtauber5557 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@wirakirros7281 well hullbreacher gone now, but narset and notion thief still exist, although notion thief has been that prevalent, perhaps it will see more play now. Regardless Cedh needs more interaction in deck in general.

  • @mikes3667
    @mikes3667 Pƙed 3 lety

    Wait a minute
 Hullbreacher was banned

  • @usernameunidentified175
    @usernameunidentified175 Pƙed 3 lety

    Sisay is a mono white creature meaning you can only use white cards if you have her as your commander...

    • @kkyle53
      @kkyle53 Pƙed 3 lety +4

      Sisay active capacity cost all color, so she is a five color commander. It's not just the cost of the card, it's every color symbol on the card that count.

    • @passprioritypodcast
      @passprioritypodcast Pƙed 3 lety +1

      It’s like Najeela. Red creature but a WUBRG costed ability.

    • @usernameunidentified175
      @usernameunidentified175 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@passprioritypodcast So is Crypt Ghast a BW creature? He's got both black and white on the card text.

    • @usernameunidentified175
      @usernameunidentified175 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@kkyle53 She's mono white.
      If she's a "five color commander" then explain to me how she can be a legal target of the card Ultimate Price?

    • @usernameunidentified175
      @usernameunidentified175 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@passprioritypodcast That makes Najeela a mono red creature.

  • @kingginger3335
    @kingginger3335 Pƙed 3 lety +14

    This game was a good example of why Hullbreacher shouldn't be banned

    • @OnyxANZ
      @OnyxANZ Pƙed 3 lety

      shh you can't say anything logical or reddit will freak out

    • @chocolateking1143
      @chocolateking1143 Pƙed 3 lety

      100% true. It stopped people from abusing Easy draw enchantments. Now people can use all the draw enchantments without repercussions. What’s next? Ban fish and Library? Lol

    • @kingginger3335
      @kingginger3335 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@OnyxANZ the whole argument for banning it is, well it makes some players feel bad. I understand it slows the game down a little bit and it is difficult to answer, but doesn't usually take over the game to the point that it needs a ban. I mean if Hullbreacher has to be banned, then Stasis needs to be banned also. I'm not advocating for Stasis to be banned, I'm just saying.

    • @kingginger3335
      @kingginger3335 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@chocolateking1143 exactly. Should Staisis be banned because it limits people's ability to untap their lands? No. The problem is, people wanna shove every powerful card in their decks without ways to interact with their opponents. It's not my fault you're not winning. Build a better deck.

    • @blinky101
      @blinky101 Pƙed 3 lety

      if only there were other ways to stop people drawing cards. Sadly, no other effects other than hullbreacher exist to stop card draw. Absolutely none at all

  • @sergiodelatorre9127
    @sergiodelatorre9127 Pƙed 3 lety

    You are from USA, why you keep doing webcam videos? Do irl ones quality is so much better

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Our Mox Pearl patrons are all over the world. Also, this was recorded a few months back when things weren’t 100% back open.

    • @sergiodelatorre9127
      @sergiodelatorre9127 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@PlayingWithPowerMTG I understand, my question was only a big request and to know what are you thinking about irl videos coming back.

  • @SheIt520
    @SheIt520 Pƙed 3 lety

    Why have hullbreacher not been ban?

    • @sadrobot5501
      @sadrobot5501 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      They could perfectly have recorded this BEFORE the ban

  • @kristopherwatts9466
    @kristopherwatts9466 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    I think this is a prime example of why Hullbreacher was banned

  • @aquablue3dsi
    @aquablue3dsi Pƙed 3 lety

    Hullbreacher? Wasn't that beaned??? Sadge

  • @mikebarker1306
    @mikebarker1306 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    It’s games like this that really showcase how hullbreacher really changes the flow of a game
    Shows why it probably deserved the ban

  • @MrMcGueGue
    @MrMcGueGue Pƙed 3 lety +8

    I'm so tired of Turn 1 Kraum

  • @dhov760
    @dhov760 Pƙed 3 lety

    After seeing your tweet about how this game is a good reason Hullbreacher is banned, I’m starting to lean more to agreeing with the banning. Obviously my opinion doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things but, I can completely see why it needed a banning.

    • @dhov760
      @dhov760 Pƙed 3 lety

      Folger could’ve also misstepped the remora and it would’ve fizzled the swan song, and also kept the fish off the table. Didn’t matter cause Mike died immediately after but would’ve been a better play.

    • @jacobclements3652
      @jacobclements3652 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      But he had hull breacher so wanted their opponents to draw

    • @dhov760
      @dhov760 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@jacobclements3652 ahh, remora is a may, but that does make sense. Ty ty

  • @Styckcl
    @Styckcl Pƙed 3 lety +7

    This game show why i think the ban of hullbreacher was wrong.

  • @passprioritypodcast
    @passprioritypodcast Pƙed 3 lety

    BRO WHAT. I can’t watch any more of this video. You guys call yourselves a “c E d H y O u T u B e C h A n N e L” and play banned cards? I refuse to watch past 4:15. You’ve lost a subscriber and a dedicated fan. What a disgrace.

  • @jasongwinn28
    @jasongwinn28 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I'm so tired of cEDH being "who gets to Thassa's Oracle first?"

  • @1Fsypro
    @1Fsypro Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Wow a thassa victory riveting

  • @OnyxANZ
    @OnyxANZ Pƙed 3 lety +3

    waiting for consultation/pact bans so cedh videos don't end with them 80% of the time.

    • @mattecatthechannel9236
      @mattecatthechannel9236 Pƙed 3 lety

      But spikes won't want that to happen because their decks will be useless since they don't have enough printed power to win the race against others. What a poor thing, aww. So sad~

    • @SASORI55555
      @SASORI55555 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Doubt that will happen because the RC said they will not do bans based on the cEDH needs or wants. They see cEDH communities as the smallest portion of commander players and will not indulge them if it’s not a “problem” for casual players.

    • @OnyxANZ
      @OnyxANZ Pƙed 3 lety

      @@SASORI55555 the thing is, people are constantly crying about thoracle being too strong because of these combos. And with how things are going.. thoracle would get banned and those cards wont, but thoracle is completely fine without those cards existing

    • @khurgar8120
      @khurgar8120 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@OnyxANZ Just locally ban it in your play group? cEDH is competitive and as such will always use the shortest ways to victory. If they ban consultations and such other wincons will come that will be just as boring to watch after a few months.

    • @OnyxANZ
      @OnyxANZ Pƙed 3 lety

      @@khurgar8120 It's not even in my playgroup. Reddit is constantly crying about thoracle (when it's not the problem). Reddit's bitching and moaning is getting to the point where it's forcing bans. Meanwhile, I don't even get to enjoy watching videos because consultation/pact just invalidate games. I watch PWP because they try to come up with creative decks at the highest level, but the decks don't matter when every end is the same and predictable. cedh is getting there in variety, but this combo is one of the few things making it boring.

  • @neorex72
    @neorex72 Pƙed 3 lety

    Lot of misplays happening. Rhystic Study is a static ability it always triggers on a op casting a spell you do not get to choose if it activates. Meaning they have to pay 1 or he draws then hullbreacher triggers as it is a replacement effect also meaning Floger has a ton of mana by 5:40 which is the time into the video I am posting this. This could have very well swung the game into his favor. Very poor reading of the field so far not likening this gameplay in CEDH stuff like that cannot be misplayed as it is Competitive Elder Dragon Highlander.

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Rhystic study is a may ability. While the trigger is manual, the decision to draw is optional. So this comment is way off.

  • @Brooks0511
    @Brooks0511 Pƙed 3 lety

    Me rushing to the comments to say hull breacher is banned 😡😡😭😭😭😭 such a stupid ban

  • @michaelgerard2
    @michaelgerard2 Pƙed 3 lety +3

    Wow thassa's oracle won. Good thing we are banning hull breacher right guys? No need to ban thassa's first.

    • @murdermastodon7469
      @murdermastodon7469 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      They got the win because hullbreacher prevented the other players from drawing answers in time
.

    • @SamuelKacerik
      @SamuelKacerik Pƙed 3 lety

      No way in hell Zack loses this game with Hullbreacher banned.

    • @jenas3958
      @jenas3958 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@murdermastodon7469 he played Hullbreacher at sorcery speed. That could have been a narset or notion thief and the outcome of the game would be the exact same

    • @khurgar8120
      @khurgar8120 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@jenas3958 Not true at all. You cant decide to attack hullbreacher but you can attack narset.

  • @superfly2378
    @superfly2378 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Gotta love old recordings, I can understand not wanting to waste footage but cmon, half the reason these videos r watched is to see how the meta/strong decks r played so u can take that information back to ur cEDH table and win more games. If u have banned cards in the decks it takes away from that heavily, especially if it's a banning as prevalent as Hullbreacher.

    • @Jaakington
      @Jaakington Pƙed 3 lety +4

      So after bans there should be like 1 month without videos lol?
      They edited mention about ban on the video which is just fine since accually the other half wants to see spicy games.

  • @benjaminwilliams2859
    @benjaminwilliams2859 Pƙed 3 lety

    another thoracle win

  • @Bammab127
    @Bammab127 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Thoracle yet again...

  • @gbasso666
    @gbasso666 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Cool game, but an obnoxious amount of cEDH games are being finished by thassa's oracle. It's getting kinda boring.

  • @stevegallardo4500
    @stevegallardo4500 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Yawn....another oracle win 👎👎👎

  • @Razzia334
    @Razzia334 Pƙed 3 lety

    Oracle win? Cool, skip.

    • @PlayingWithPowerMTG
      @PlayingWithPowerMTG  Pƙed 3 lety +5

      Comment about oracle win? Cool. Downvote.

    • @Razzia334
      @Razzia334 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@PlayingWithPowerMTG comment about your comment. Cool. Respect.

  • @ignalol
    @ignalol Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Another thasas win... unsuscribed, maybe when cedh changes a bit a will come back.

  • @thiagofeliciano8266
    @thiagofeliciano8266 Pƙed 3 lety

    I’m sorry guys. I really enjoyed the game. Buuuuut the thoracle combo is sooooo boring and predictable.. kinda make the Victory pathetic.

    • @passprioritypodcast
      @passprioritypodcast Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I hope you realize that after Folger’s Ad Naus resolved it didn’t really matter what he won with. He had most of his deck in his hand. It was a well earned victory and a great game to watch.

    • @thiagofeliciano8266
      @thiagofeliciano8266 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@passprioritypodcast bro just take my point of view. He fought so hard to win.. and after the Ad Naus we were all pretty sure he would win. But with thoracle ? It Seems that 50% of the todays cEDH victories were by thoracle combo. Boring. My opinion.

    • @thiagofeliciano8266
      @thiagofeliciano8266 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@passprioritypodcast however I agree. Outstanding gameplay. Really good to watch.