Karen Hunter speaks with Dr. Welsing, author of The Isis Papers, about how we can overcome racism. Her response is epic. This is Part 2 from a 2014 interview.
Thank you Dr. Frances Cress Wesling for your hard work and teaching. As a Filipino, I've seen many similarities to the systemic annihilation of my people. If many of you don't know, most Asian nations are fundamentally BLACK. And white supremacy and the destruction of the black race are evident and PRESENT here too. For any black/melanated Asian person out there, these are the guides we must look up to. Thank you Dr. Frances. Peace, love, and blessings to you.
@@Taylordessalines yes. The first Filipinos are an Aboriginal pygmy group. We call them Negritos, which literally mean "dark skinned". They are closely related to the Aborigines in Australia. Their tribes are spread across the Oceania and South East Asia. The original Filipino has a very different face from the "modern" Filipino. We've been colonized/terrorized by the Spanish, British, Japanese, and Americans (Jews) for more than 300 years. Our spirituality was stripped away from us by Catholicism, our land was taken away from us, and so our identity. Filipinos prefer western products, educational institutions and even take pride in landing jobs abroad. This resulted in the Filipinos' poor knowledge of our own indigenous products. We don't know how to drive our own economy by making our products from OUR vast selection of natural resources. We do not trust each other in business because we were taught that anything brown is to be mistrusted. Our historical achievements have been erased from our memories. Filipinos do not put the value on their own products. Instead we aim to be employed by the white master, while the white master owns our land and women. They sell our trees, food, and native products. What's worse is that they price and benefit from our goods as we consume their toxic products (food, clothes, tech, services) that are taxed higher and higher every year. Yes, not many Asians talk about this because we don't know. If you notice, South East Asian countries (except Singapore) are third world countries. Although RICH in natural resources and blessed with the oldest rain forest on Earth, many of us are hungry. Most SEA nations were also fundamentally BLACK and then colonized. It is a lonely journey but it is the ONLY journey worth taking. Our story is similar to the black Americans, Africans, and South Americans. Colonizers/terrorists are organized and unified. They have a system they've implemented on the rich lands and peoples of the Earth. Our stories are the same, we have come from the same trauma, we are all fundamentally melanated. Through their terrorism they have separated us, because a unified black people cannot be held down. Let's continue to spread love and light. Let us organize and unify, in all the corners of the world. Take your identity back ✊🏽
Thank you Dr Francis our dear sister. For telling us that our illnesses are coming from stressed from white supremacy. Stress and mental health issues are killing us. Seriously.
OMG. I totally respect this woman. She is a genesis of racism. Black peoples don't understand the root cause of racism and that is a problem. To understand white supremacist racism is one of the key to survival in this country. Great interviewed of 2014 and nothing changed and it's 2024. !0 years ago! This problem been here for blacks over 500 years.
@Janet Burrus ,,,,,,,,,, thank you for your words of wisdom I do appreciate that because I will not stop reflecting on my who what where when why and how and it's all on me LOL thank you for stopping by and dropping your treasure at me
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” Krishnamurti That sick society is America, which was never intended to work for us!😳
Yea, she did her best with a Titan like Queen Welsing but I DO believe that when She hit Her with that 🔥 analogy smh...She pretty much shut down the next 2-3 questions the hostess had 🤷
Lord, I FELT THIS!!! I'm cussing out the screen, like stfu lady damn, then had to apologize to the ancestor because she was interrupting and speaking condescending to a powerhouse!
There is no right way to interview a heavy-hitter. It's not the questions, it's the answers we need most. The interviewer was great and just having the pleasure (and) privilege of briefly exchanging with Dr. Wesling is something she can add to her resume.
DR. FRANCES is a phenomenal speaker, and a mastermind of psychology. Her work is impeccable. She speaks truth with the facts. She be dropping knowledge. She will be truly missed...but never forgotten. R.I.P QUEEN 👑
Lol the point she was making about the fire was to either put it out or get away from it. When you apply that to racism you either find a way to stop it or get away from that atmosphere.
I had to listen to this again sister Karen. Oh how I miss our great queen 👑 Dr. Welsing . But I must say here since I don’t do Facebook or Twitter or Instagram etc. What you are doing on this platform is remarkable. Professor Hunter your labor is not in vain. You are a blessing in our community, as black people. You are also a queen 👑.
@@KarenHunterShow no problem sister Karen. I just wanted you to know, that your work is appreciated. And the most of all encourage your spirit. Please know this ... you are not alone. Our people are on the move. Like Dr. Kabakamene would say. We won’t stop until we win!
I remember the days our Travis Smiley, Tom Joyner, Cathy Hughes and Karen Hunter brought so many of our scholars such as Mama Frances Cress Welsing, Baba Runoko Rashidi, Baba Ivan van Sertima, Baba Amos Wilson and Baba John Henrik Clarke to their shows to discuss about African educational programs such as history, psychology and psychiatry.
She's arrogant af. That's exactly why MSNBC kicked her off their network and told her she will NEVER be seen again on their airwaves. She's a loudmouth double-talker.
She asked questions to get clarity for herself and her listeners about what can be done. It made the guest, who thought it was obvious, go deeper and deeper into the subject. When the brilliant guest gave the analogy about the house on fire, I got it.
The interviewer did a great disservice by not listening for understanding. I subscribed to her channel based on her interactions with Dr. Carr. However, the energy of this interview was totally different in that her agenda took precedent over what Dr. Welsing wanted to share. Very unfortunate.
You can tell when someone is detailing facts and truth when they say or write about something and it continues to explain AND maintain relevancy for decades and centuries.
Both Karen and Doc were right. Doc was still at the stage of giving further EXAMPLES of how to UNDERSTAND R/WSupremacy when Karen had moved on to SOLUTIONS. Let me explain. At the hospital, there is a fire code: RACE an acronym for Rescue Alarm Confine Extinguish/Evacuate/Escape. This is kind of a common sense response too. But would a new trainee be able to to these steps in the correct order without training? Most likely not. And I think that is what Karen is saying. What is the code of conduct expected of the one who has come to understand R/WSupremacy? What changes should Black folk make once they understand the concept Dr Welsing is explaining? In other words, are we doing the right thing by "speaking truth to power?" or should we speak to empower us? Are doing the right thing with the marching, BLM, all the public outcry praying and stuff? Should we be doing more? So the good Doc was doing analysis, Karen had gone past that to solutions.
OKAY I have watched both parts and easily see the DANCE the was going on between the two energies... "Once you understand what fire is, you do not go around asking people What Do I Do?" ... This interaction (Entering an Act Shown) was among two signs who share a common. They share FIRE, yet one is heading into Earth and the other is evaporating from water! So to this ARIES born in March who is the FIRE (Myself SUN-MOON) viewed the whole interview as BEAUTY-FILLED! To understand what I felt and what I share here now! YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE FIRE!
WOW. I didn't know this interview existed. Such a beautiful blast from the past. She would come to NYC in the 80's and give lectures. This small segment said to me: remember? Then my heart said: Thank you Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. Look at what's happening today and the how much we hear it's not razism. Yesterday : they started with "They are tryin tto rewrite history MLK didn't die due to racism It was because he was trying to unite the right and the left."I I CHECKED her. I submitted a perfect comment and yt would not post it. I complained that it was misinfo but it's still up. I have been seeing this bias here a lot
I was very frustrated by this rushed interview.. Frances Welsing was rushed from making her clear points. And I understand this show has a time frame...but the gems being dropped is so valuable..until it upset me listening to her being rushed along... This is the very knowledge we need to hear and more importantly, understand!
The interviewer talk TOO DAMN MUCH...in the presence of such knowledge she should do more listening...and she really dont OVERSTAND THE MOTHER QUEEN...
Right 2 the heart of it...I've said this most of my adult life, how can we b a minority? Something is wrong w/that analogy. Understanding more of the truth spoken by Dr. Welsing, not only confirms my personal understanding but gives me the right ?s 2 ask n prayer. What u, Karen asked Dr/ Welsing.
Thank you for this, the interruptions triggered me though. You dont always have to go 100mph, sometimes youve just got to slow down and deep what a powerhouse of a mind is saying.
I do when I have a LIVE show, a clock, commercials to read and other guests...when I can come to your job and tell you how to do it, please let me know.
Karen, you do not have to defend yourself and be harsh towards the perspective of others. I personally like the show that you provide. Accepting our criticisms, as the viewers, should not stir you so much that it stunts the growth of refining your interviewing skills. You would gain so much more respect and maintain solidarity with your audience if you exude a degree of humbleness in listening and accepting some ‘critical’ feedback. It could very well set you up and catapult your next interview of the next ‘Great’ in place that blesses viewers on a much richer scale. I believe that to be your true intentions for your audience. I hope this reaches you and you don’t come attacking me because that would be the whole point of my message. Sit in the pocket of the advice that you are receiving, allow space for it, because as long as you react negatively to it, the hotter it burns. I had to learn this myself, as have ALL of us at one time or other. You interviewed a very adored person in our Black community. As viewers, we have a right to defend and honor the potential of what our great sister was trying to explain to us as a collective. I thank you for having her on your platform. Please allow your viewers to vent their own frustrations because it’s not all about you, but what it could have been about HER! Even Oprah makes mistakes! Lol. (I hope you chuckled because no harm is meant). Keep doing good work! 😊
@@ReasonablySpeaking9808 yeah...i'm going to continue to weed my garden and establish and stick to rules of engagement. i don't have to accept criticism for delivering these gems and I will not. It's not constructive and there is no benefit other than to criticize...work THEY AREN'T doing.
@@ReasonablySpeaking9808 It;'s not about making mistakes...and I don't give AF about Oprah's mistakes. This is about how we engage with one another. What's your purpose? If it's not edifying, keep it to yourself. Chew up the meat, spit out the bones.
Could she be saying that once you understand what the fire is, you put it out? Understand? Some are saying that Dr. Welsing never answered the question. Ah, but she did.
I wanna believe Dr. Welsing when she said " if you don't understand white supremacy everything else considering racism will just confuse you" that was a subtle jab at Karen.
Karen Hunter loves to dominate conversations and consciously refuses to listen, process and respond respectfully. Maybe it has to do with Her inexperience in the media. This Sister has to learn and develop the craft.
@Janet Burrus Sister, thanks for your comments. I was refraining from really laying the hammer on this Bafoon. Insecurities, disrespect and brainwashing are descriptors at a minimum. Some individuals want to believe that they are adults, unfortunately many are still mentally immature. Too concerned about their outward reputation to cover up for their intellectual ignorance. Let us continue to pray for Her deliverance from pride.
I read the comments and a lot of people felt that Karen was interrupting the doctor however I didn’t perceive that. She was pushing the doctor to answer her questions not just for herself but for the listeners who may not understand the medical or psychological rhetoric. The younger generation is living through a time where information is received in abundance and with simplicity. When she asked the doctor what should people do, the doctor responded with an answer of how people should think. We can warn people repeatedly about the systems in place and those that are oppressed by them. Black people are aware of this. What people want is clear, concise, and actionable solutions. Thanks Karen for attempting to get the right answers!
As a 40-something black American, when faced with life's problems, I refer to the philosophies of two (2) people: Jesus and Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. The works of both should be required reading for all black people, regardless of their country of origin, socioeconomic status, education level... Shame Karen allowed her ego to lead this interview instead of her empathy for our plight in this society.
Respect to the departed ancestor, but Welsing SHOULD be able to name at least 1 simple solution. Nelly Fuller has solutions. You should replace Jesus in that line up.
@@Baraborn Nah, my journey to Jesus is not my mother's, father's, grandmother's, ancestor's... it's my very own personal journey, one which almost lead me to an undergrad conversion to Islam, then law school agnosticism, but years later redirected me to Jesus. He is real, I have experienced His saving grace in supernatural moments that would be difficult for an unbeliever to fathom, nevertheles, very real moments. Doesn't mean I haven't sinned, been angry with my circumstances and the circumstances of my loved ones, but again, I know He is real. But don't take my word for it, ask Him to reveal Himself to you in a real, tangible way, a way that only you can know and understand. He will do it... that's why the word says it takes faith only of the size of a mustard seed... As for Dr. Welsing, she dedicated her entire adult life to helping us understand the psychological implications of the perpetual terrorism we face in this country. Her work has liberated so many, given us the intellectual tools to reject the narrative that we're innately pathological, psychotic, schizophrenic, but rather these are the warfare tactics used by our oppressors. Her mass mental health diagnosis of our people is invaluable... it has helped us to get at the root causes of many our community ills: colorism; "mammyism"; alcoholism; obesity; lesbianism and homosexuality... I mean what greater gift than to understand the state of mental health of your people, none other than the salvation of your soul, I think...
He's only real in the minds of believerslmao. He never walked this earth Jesus story is a plagiarized copy of the African God Heru. U should replace Jesus lmaooooo. It's facts that no one in that Bible actually lived at all.
What doctor welsh has talked about so far is pure analytical thinking....based on solid scientific studies. Survival is the foremost law in nature...even in the animal kingdom same kind look out for their own just to survive....animals have just instinct yet they have figured that out...we humans are a step ahead in the race for intelligence from animals because we have common sense. We know racism is a problem....the peoblem ia we dont know how to fix it because the solution is priceless.....sacrifice .
Dr. HUNTER represents the younger generation of Black folk who in my experience have a tendency to "know it all" and not "listen" to the advise and wisdom of their elders. Hence Dr. HUNTER'S tendency to continue to interupt the elder. Perhaps listen to this, Dr. HUNTER will see and change the errors of her ways.
No. 1: Not a Dr. No. 2: Dr. Welsing was so cool with the interview that she was going to allow me to publish the digital version of Isis Papers and work on her next project. No. 3: Drucella represents THIS generation that has an opinion on EVERYTHING and knowledge about very little. chew up the meat, spit out the bones and keep it pushing. And if you can do it better, please show the world.
Thank you for validating my point. God gave us two ears for a reason. You should be a Dr. You have the brains. Listening is an art and a valuable skill.
Sister Karen, don’t take any notice of idiots that are disrespecting you. I don’t think Mama Frances was offended or intimidated with the questions that you asked her and it was fair too me.
@Kwamu Hill your response is not rational. If white supremacy is a big fire. We bring a organized group of fighters to put it out. We set up systems to prevent future problems. We do this as a group. . We don't delude ourselves about what we are dealing with. White supremacist must be separated and neutralized there is no therapy or treatment.
@Kwamu Hill well if you don't feel the need to give a basic definition I'll assume you are not serious about what you speak about. Everyone in the world should not have to buy that book in order to understand what you speak about
The System has been fought against for too long to no real prevail. The New Generation of Whites needs to understand the real definition and dangers of White Supremacy. Then, teach their own. Those who are in the Comments and have a righteous bone, let them listen, learn and teach their own. Their System was created by them and can only be changed by them. Otherwise, the consequences have been made clear.
@@PreciousRareFind you are ignoring a very serious AND very provable physical reality that the white people on this planet are faced with. Dr. Welsing proved that the people who classify themselves as "white " want to continue to be white. So if they adopt the mindset that you are trying to promote them to teach their children. They within a few generations will not look white like they want to look. They won't have the same culture and THE WISEST OF THEM DON'T WANT THAT. Can you see that (not agree with it can you see it)?
I found this conversation frustrating. I love Dr. Welsing---she was a brilliant mind. But Karen was looking fo answers. Practical things we can do in everyday life to combat the system. Here is the answer. Start building other systems.
Everybody adds their piece to the solution and should be specifically asked about that expertise. FCW analyzed systems of thought speech and action. She's wasn't an economist or a politician or a statistician etc. Too late now, but in the future, ask the person about that. In a broader organizational sense, she answered the question of what to do, now you find experts in each area to help you understand each part. In other words, if you don't know about fire, learn about it. FCW and Neely Fuller helped me organize the information I get so that I can identify the angles and how they intersect.
I HAD TO GET UP AND WALK' IT WAS LIKE SOMEONE PUSHED ME IN THE GUT AND KNOCKED ALL THE AIR OUT OF ME'' SISTER SAID 24/7 365 DAYS A YEAR TIMES EVERYDAY OF YOUR LIFE''THAT'S WHY WE LIVE SUCH SHORT LIVES AND ALL THESE DECEASE''''' FROM THE MOMENT YOU DISCOVER HOW THE WORLD VIEW YOU'' THE TIME YOU WAKE UP' GET IN YOUR CAR'' WORKING ALL DAY''TRYING MAKE IT BACK HOME BEFORE BEING STOPPED AND REMINDED WHO YOU ARE......
She answered. The fire analogy is telling us we need to put the fire out. She is calling for armed resistance and revolution among black people. But can't say it put loud because it would have made her more of a target than she already was.
I get that same question; What should do? I repeat you have to understand before reacting...some don't get it because ready and underlying stuff don't make you know something it is what you have been doing with the information to make it so you understand. We have been taught to memorize what we study without making sense for self. We had to give the answers that were written in books and this sh!t confuses people. It gonna be hard for some people who have been living this way for more than 20 -25 years unless they have some knowledge of self and history.
9:50 Do you have white patient?? crazy question but okay. You treat them based on your belief system? 10:00 In Psychiatry everything has to be based on reality. Getting people to understand their reality. Karen Hunter wasn't ready for a "TrueElder".
Karen Hunter Show So you consider yourself a superior to Humor and pain because you got to interview Dr. Francis Cress Welsing? what logic is that? Why would you ask about her ancestry? We are all mixed with something. We went through hundreds of years of slavery and rape.
I wish I could Talk with her Now 'cause I'll bet with what She Saw coming sister Welsing decided to go 🏠 home. RIP Job well done. See you on the other side... But I wish I could Talk with her... --Mikhavelli--
He was reference material in so many things... I thought he was some old white liberal scholar generalist. I found out he was black History in just before running into him in N.Y.C. always at library or on the train to Hunter I guess... Did he have that little Japanese airlines bag? I had one which I thought he have to me and he had another or we both had the same bag 🤣 YOu know Dr Clarke was VERY sharp customer. Lol I am Sure it's we had the same bag yeahhh... I really now. It was our first conversation he was very nice and soft spoken... People would ask me do I Know Who that Is I was talking to... THEY knew see... Aww Dr. Clarke...
Hello....the interview was nice. But you seemed very frustrated when you didnt get the answer you wanted from dr. Welsing. She said specifically if you do not understand racism white supremacy you will be confused. You still asking WHAT DO WE DO. you have the book. It tells you what to do.
What helps? Read Nel ly Fu l ler. What happens? Understanding . THIS is where I am and this is what is true. It sinks in and you move differently. People need to read it.
Karen Hunter doesn't get it!!!! She was told exactly what she asked for. So what is she gonna ask anybody else the same question for. Either she doesn't get or she don't believe Dr. Welsing.
Respect to the departed ancestor, but Welsing SHOULD be able to name at least 1 simple solution. Nelly Fuller has solutions. Karen gets it, and wants to do something while she still can. She grew up with this material.
I'm asking questions. And this queen was answering them. We had a conversation AFTER this interview where she was trusting me with her future work and the digitizing of the Isis Papers. This didn't happen because she passed away. So...there is that. There's a lot of negative and derogatory commentary about this interview with zero context nor history. While I'm being accused of talking too much, some of you are exhibiting the very anti-black behavior you supposedly rail against. If you really want to know what we do, tune in for a solid month and then come back and let's chat. Here's a link for a free 30 days: streaming.siriusxm.com/onboarding/?/flepz=true&campaign=khunter30#_frmEverestAccountLookup
@@Taylordessalines Nobody is trying to slide. But I'm going to do what I have been doing for 25 years...which is ask questions. And if people can do it better, then they need to get out there and do it.
@@KarenHunterShow the beauty of an archive/podcast is that one can listen/hear repetitively; noted @ the 10:35 mark (and this is from the experience/analysis of many of her lectures/podcasts - in rotation on counter-racism.com radio|the C.O.W.S gus t renegade host - respectively) her acknowledgement that "this is important" .. have you considered pursuing the digitization project?? perhaps sabrina johnson or, poet danny queen ☮
@@MrS98VAC And yet...the MAJORITY of the comments and the people like the interview. I suggest you chew up the meat and spit out the bones instead of the wagging your finger at a grown person expecting them to change to suit your fragile spirit.
Unfortunately, she never answered your question... which was, " once we know what it is and understand it, what steps or measures do we take to start dealing with it to help ourselves get (rid of or) past it ?
Thank you Dr. Frances Cress Wesling for your hard work and teaching. As a Filipino, I've seen many similarities to the systemic annihilation of my people. If many of you don't know, most Asian nations are fundamentally BLACK. And white supremacy and the destruction of the black race are evident and PRESENT here too. For any black/melanated Asian person out there, these are the guides we must look up to. Thank you Dr. Frances. Peace, love, and blessings to you.
Wow. Thanks for the knowledge.
Uh oh, spittin' that truth.😉
SO TRUE! REAL ASIANS ARE DARK SKINNED.
@@Taylordessalines yes. The first Filipinos are an Aboriginal pygmy group. We call them Negritos, which literally mean "dark skinned". They are closely related to the Aborigines in Australia. Their tribes are spread across the Oceania and South East Asia. The original Filipino has a very different face from the "modern" Filipino.
We've been colonized/terrorized by the Spanish, British, Japanese, and Americans (Jews) for more than 300 years. Our spirituality was stripped away from us by Catholicism, our land was taken away from us, and so our identity.
Filipinos prefer western products, educational institutions and even take pride in landing jobs abroad.
This resulted in the Filipinos' poor knowledge of our own indigenous products. We don't know how to drive our own economy by making our products from OUR vast selection of natural resources. We do not trust each other in business because we were taught that anything brown is to be mistrusted. Our historical achievements have been erased from our memories.
Filipinos do not put the value on their own products. Instead we aim to be employed by the white master, while the white master owns our land and women. They sell our trees, food, and native products. What's worse is that they price and benefit from our goods as we consume their toxic products (food, clothes, tech, services) that are taxed higher and higher every year.
Yes, not many Asians talk about this because we don't know. If you notice, South East Asian countries (except Singapore) are third world countries. Although RICH in natural resources and blessed with the oldest rain forest on Earth, many of us are hungry. Most SEA nations were also fundamentally BLACK and then colonized. It is a lonely journey but it is the ONLY journey worth taking.
Our story is similar to the black Americans, Africans, and South Americans. Colonizers/terrorists are organized and unified. They have a system they've implemented on the rich lands and peoples of the Earth.
Our stories are the same, we have come from the same trauma, we are all fundamentally melanated. Through their terrorism they have separated us, because a unified black people cannot be held down.
Let's continue to spread love and light. Let us organize and unify, in all the corners of the world. Take your identity back ✊🏽
@@amanda14louise Well Said Salute.
I understand that It’s her platform but When our Queen 👑 speaks, LISTEN and don’t INTERRUPT!
Thank you! Her mouth was running too much to be able to get a full understanding. RIP to the Ancestor
Exactly .
Boaz Baker teach!!!!
monique reed teach!!!!!!!
Karen has a brilliant mind but she has an issue with needing to be heard. Sometimes you shut up, hand over the mic, pull out your pen, and take notes.
Dr. Welsing's fire analogy is the best clarifying expression of how black peoples should react to racism that I've ever heard.
I absolutely agree. I compared Dr. Welsings' definition to the Dictionary and by far, Dr. Welsing is the clearest.
Right. Separate.
Absolutely
Yes!
@@UsikuA yes
R.i.p Dr Welsing, you are well missed, out here you we're one of the our best scholars. B1 ✊✊
Don't forget about Neeley Fuller Jr. Which she considered one of her main inspiration
@@jaquaw Absolutely
Thank you Dr Francis our dear sister. For telling us that our illnesses are coming from stressed from white supremacy. Stress and mental health issues are killing us. Seriously.
OMG. I totally respect this woman. She is a genesis of racism. Black peoples don't understand the root cause of racism and that is a problem. To understand white supremacist racism is one of the key to survival in this country. Great interviewed of 2014 and nothing changed and it's 2024. !0 years ago! This problem been here for blacks over 500 years.
This is a woman speaking with a Sense of empathy and critical analysis... Listen to her.... Please
True scholarship at its finest
Aaron 👊🏿👍🏿
How come I didn't have this type of a mother when I was growing up
@@rubenbell7685 Right! I wish my parents were WOKE.
@Janet Burrus ,,,,,,,,,, thank you for your words of wisdom I do appreciate that because I will not stop reflecting on my who what where when why and how and it's all on me LOL thank you for stopping by and dropping your treasure at me
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
Krishnamurti
That sick society is America, which was never intended to work for us!😳
She was a prophet and a seer. We ARE forced to live in a distorted reality. Thank you Ms. Hunter for this powerful interview!
Truly missed. Rest In Power!
She keep on cutting off the queen show some respect
Because she doesn't understand or believe the facts
Yea, she did her best with a Titan like Queen Welsing but I DO believe that when She hit Her with that 🔥 analogy smh...She pretty much shut down the next 2-3 questions the hostess had 🤷
Lord, I FELT THIS!!! I'm cussing out the screen, like stfu lady damn, then had to apologize to the ancestor because she was interrupting and speaking condescending to a powerhouse!
I was like wtf the disrespect...then I understood the dialogue between intelligent person vs emotional one.
Shes too much of a talk show hosts, then a student listenin to a master👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿
man, GTFOH!
Respect to the departed ancestor, but Welsing SHOULD be able to name at least 1 simple solution. Nelly Fuller has solutions.
There is no right way to interview a heavy-hitter. It's not the questions, it's the answers we need most. The interviewer was great and just having the pleasure (and) privilege of briefly exchanging with Dr. Wesling is something she can add to her resume.
@@mfax1000 THANK YOU, Maggie!
@@Baraborn *Neely
Wow I love Queen Dr. Frances Cress Welsing and her mission on this Earth! Rest in Power Queen Mother!!!
This beautiful Black Queen is truly missed... May she rest in glory.💖💝💫🕊
I'm here 6 years later, October 18, 2020. Still cherishing this interview and their work.
I just came upon this video. Black people need to unite
What a clean and truthful soul.
DR. FRANCES is a phenomenal speaker, and a mastermind of psychology. Her work is impeccable.
She speaks truth with the facts. She be dropping knowledge.
She will be truly missed...but never forgotten.
R.I.P QUEEN 👑
🖤🖤🖤👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾
3rd Generation Doctor wow
Lol the point she was making about the fire was to either put it out or get away from it. When you apply that to racism you either find a way to stop it or get away from that atmosphere.
Much love and respect to the Queen Mother..may her knowledge, and energy nourish the souls of your children for we are in great need.
Queen Mother Herself! God Bless Her Soul. ✨💛 Taught us so much.
I had to listen to this again sister Karen. Oh how I miss our great queen 👑 Dr. Welsing . But I must say here since I don’t do Facebook or Twitter or Instagram etc. What you are doing on this platform is remarkable. Professor Hunter your labor is not in vain. You are a blessing in our community, as black people. You are also a queen 👑.
Thank you, Dennis!
@@KarenHunterShow no problem sister Karen. I just wanted you to know, that your work is appreciated. And the most of all encourage your spirit. Please know this ... you are not alone. Our people are on the move. Like Dr. Kabakamene would say. We won’t stop until we win!
@@dennistaylor6342 I appreciate that. Bless you.
Listen and process! Our Elders deserve the honor! This is vital for us!
See, I can't listen to disrespectful interviewers. I'm gone. Lol
One of my most beloved Elders and heros Dr. Frances Cress Welsing...Rest In Power Great Sista of truth.
This doctor was speaking FACTS 👏🏽😊
I remember the days our Travis Smiley, Tom Joyner, Cathy Hughes and Karen Hunter brought so many of our scholars such as Mama Frances Cress Welsing, Baba Runoko Rashidi, Baba Ivan van Sertima, Baba Amos Wilson and Baba John Henrik Clarke to their shows to discuss about African educational programs such as history, psychology and psychiatry.
The host is too busy trying to show Dr . Welsing how " woke " she is ......and talking all over the Dr.
She's arrogant af. That's exactly why MSNBC kicked her off their network and told her she will NEVER be seen again on their airwaves. She's a loudmouth double-talker.
Karen wants to be the star and the host. It’s obnoxious as hell. Can I get an Amen?
Aaaaammmmeeeeennn
She asked questions to get clarity for herself and her listeners about what can be done. It made the guest, who thought it was obvious, go deeper and deeper into the subject. When the brilliant guest gave the analogy about the house on fire, I got it.
LET'S HOPE THIS WAS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR KAREN''
Amen ra
Amen!... Boom Shocka Locka!
Love, love, love Dr. Welsing.
The interviewer did a great disservice by not listening for understanding. I subscribed to her channel based on her interactions with Dr. Carr. However, the energy of this interview was totally different in that her agenda took precedent over what Dr. Welsing wanted to share. Very unfortunate.
Chew up the meat and spit out the bones. You don't have to like everything.
Thanks Sister Hunter for another mic dropping interview. Dr Welsing brought clarity to me and my life has not been the same since...thank you.
Watching this October 13 2022 and this is still what we are dicussing
You can tell when someone is detailing facts and truth when they say or write about something and it continues to explain AND maintain relevancy for decades and centuries.
Both Karen and Doc were right. Doc was still at the stage of giving further EXAMPLES of how to UNDERSTAND R/WSupremacy when Karen had moved on to SOLUTIONS. Let me explain. At the hospital, there is a fire code: RACE an acronym for Rescue Alarm Confine Extinguish/Evacuate/Escape. This is kind of a common sense response too. But would a new trainee be able to to these steps in the correct order without training? Most likely not. And I think that is what Karen is saying. What is the code of conduct expected of the one who has come to understand R/WSupremacy? What changes should Black folk make once they understand the concept Dr Welsing is explaining?
In other words, are we doing the right thing by "speaking truth to power?" or should we speak to empower us? Are doing the right thing with the marching, BLM, all the public outcry praying and stuff? Should we be doing more?
So the good Doc was doing analysis, Karen had gone past that to solutions.
Love this two great people intelligent focused beautiful loving Women concerned about their community
R. I. P. Dr. Welding. One of the greatest to ever do it. 🐐
yes!
Dr. Welsing was the TRUTH and told the TRUTH 🎉❤ May she RIPOWER and her words always remain with us! Exposure time! Is the fire hot yet!? WAKE UP 🎉
The answer was a simple one. One can not hear, when one is not at peace inside the mind.
OKAY I have watched both parts and easily see the DANCE the was going on between the two energies...
"Once you understand what fire is, you do not go around asking people What Do I Do?" ...
This interaction (Entering an Act Shown) was among two signs who share a common.
They share FIRE, yet one is heading into Earth and the other is evaporating from water!
So to this ARIES born in March who is the FIRE (Myself SUN-MOON) viewed the whole interview as BEAUTY-FILLED!
To understand what I felt and what I share here now!
YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE FIRE!
Great feedback and I am also Aries!
Why bring her on to constantly cut her off? This interview would have been amazing had the host shut the hell up and let Dr. Cress-Welsing speak.
Alex Jones used to do the same thing.🤔
WOW. I didn't know this interview existed. Such a beautiful blast from the past. She would come to NYC in the 80's and give lectures. This small segment said to me: remember? Then my heart said: Thank you Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. Look at what's happening today and the how much we hear it's not razism. Yesterday : they started with "They are tryin tto rewrite history MLK didn't die due to racism
It was because he was trying to unite the right and the left."I I CHECKED her. I submitted a perfect comment and yt would not post it. I complained that it was misinfo but it's still up. I have been seeing this bias here a lot
We must organize all of our own everything.
Thank you Karen for this interview.
I was very frustrated by this rushed interview.. Frances Welsing was rushed from making her clear points. And I understand this show has a time frame...but the gems being dropped is so valuable..until it upset me listening to her being rushed along... This is the very knowledge we need to hear and more importantly, understand!
The interviewer talk TOO DAMN MUCH...in the presence of such knowledge she should do more listening...and she really dont OVERSTAND THE MOTHER QUEEN...
Right 2 the heart of it...I've said this most of my adult life, how can we b a minority? Something is wrong w/that analogy. Understanding more of the truth spoken by Dr. Welsing, not only confirms my personal understanding but gives me the right ?s 2 ask n prayer. What u, Karen asked Dr/ Welsing.
Don't pray. Do something useful.
Understanding the constructs of racism is the key to overcoming it.
It’s amazing that we facing that disaster today.
RIP, Dr Frances Cress Welsing. 🙏🏽
Mama Frances Cress Welsing my queen.
Ase
Create the best version of yourself. Do that, and everything else will fall into place.
Thank you for this, the interruptions triggered me though.
You dont always have to go 100mph, sometimes youve just got to slow down and deep what a powerhouse of a mind is saying.
I do when I have a LIVE show, a clock, commercials to read and other guests...when I can come to your job and tell you how to do it, please let me know.
Karen, you do not have to defend yourself and be harsh towards the perspective of others. I personally like the show that you provide. Accepting our criticisms, as the viewers, should not stir you so much that it stunts the growth of refining your interviewing skills. You would gain so much more respect and maintain solidarity with your audience if you exude a degree of humbleness in listening and accepting some ‘critical’ feedback. It could very well set you up and catapult your next interview of the next ‘Great’ in place that blesses viewers on a much richer scale. I believe that to be your true intentions for your audience. I hope this reaches you and you don’t come attacking me because that would be the whole point of my message. Sit in the pocket of the advice that you are receiving, allow space for it, because as long as you react negatively to it, the hotter it burns. I had to learn this myself, as have ALL of us at one time or other. You interviewed a very adored person in our Black community. As viewers, we have a right to defend and honor the potential of what our great sister was trying to explain to us as a collective. I thank you for having her on your platform. Please allow your viewers to vent their own frustrations because it’s not all about you, but what it could have been about HER! Even Oprah makes mistakes! Lol. (I hope you chuckled because no harm is meant). Keep doing good work! 😊
@@ReasonablySpeaking9808 yeah...i'm going to continue to weed my garden and establish and stick to rules of engagement. i don't have to accept criticism for delivering these gems and I will not. It's not constructive and there is no benefit other than to criticize...work THEY AREN'T doing.
@@ReasonablySpeaking9808 This is my home. I invite you in. You either respect the space or you will be shown the door.
@@ReasonablySpeaking9808 It;'s not about making mistakes...and I don't give AF about Oprah's mistakes. This is about how we engage with one another. What's your purpose? If it's not edifying, keep it to yourself. Chew up the meat, spit out the bones.
The interviewer is thinking about what she gone rock in the club tonight.
Lol
Top-notch Interview!
Could she be saying that once you understand what the fire is, you put it out? Understand?
Some are saying that Dr. Welsing never answered the question. Ah, but she did.
🎯 Surface thinkers can’t swim in deep water.
I wanna believe Dr. Welsing when she said " if you don't understand white supremacy everything else considering racism will just confuse you" that was a subtle jab at Karen.
um...but it wasn't.
Karen Hunter loves to dominate conversations and consciously refuses to listen, process and respond respectfully. Maybe it has to do with Her inexperience in the media. This Sister has to learn and develop the craft.
@Janet Burrus Sister, thanks for your comments. I was refraining from really laying the hammer on this Bafoon. Insecurities, disrespect and brainwashing are descriptors at a minimum. Some individuals want to believe that they are adults, unfortunately many are still mentally immature. Too concerned about their outward reputation to cover up for their intellectual ignorance. Let us continue to pray for Her deliverance from pride.
I read the comments and a lot of people felt that Karen was interrupting the doctor however I didn’t perceive that. She was pushing the doctor to answer her questions not just for herself but for the listeners who may not understand the medical or psychological rhetoric. The younger generation is living through a time where information is received in abundance and with simplicity. When she asked the doctor what should people do, the doctor responded with an answer of how people should think. We can warn people repeatedly about the systems in place and those that are oppressed by them. Black people are aware of this. What people want is clear, concise, and actionable solutions. Thanks Karen for attempting to get the right answers!
I understand 🔥. Todah Dr. Welsing.
Damn PLEASE STOP CUTTING HER OFF ON AIR. PLEASE ASK THISE QUESTIONS OFF AIR AND THEN YOU CAN GIVES US AN UPDATE ON THOSE IFF AIR QUESTIONS AND ANSWER.
Omg this host...... WOW
As a 40-something black American, when faced with life's problems, I refer to the philosophies of two (2) people: Jesus and Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. The works of both should be required reading for all black people, regardless of their country of origin, socioeconomic status, education level...
Shame Karen allowed her ego to lead this interview instead of her empathy for our plight in this society.
Respect to the departed ancestor, but Welsing SHOULD be able to name at least 1 simple solution. Nelly Fuller has solutions.
You should replace Jesus in that line up.
@@Baraborn Nah, my journey to Jesus is not my mother's, father's, grandmother's, ancestor's... it's my very own personal journey, one which almost lead me to an undergrad conversion to Islam, then law school agnosticism, but years later redirected me to Jesus. He is real, I have experienced His saving grace in supernatural moments that would be difficult for an unbeliever to fathom, nevertheles, very real moments. Doesn't mean I haven't sinned, been angry with my circumstances and the circumstances of my loved ones, but again, I know He is real.
But don't take my word for it, ask Him to reveal Himself to you in a real, tangible way, a way that only you can know and understand. He will do it... that's why the word says it takes faith only of the size of a mustard seed...
As for Dr. Welsing, she dedicated her entire adult life to helping us understand the psychological implications of the perpetual terrorism we face in this country. Her work has liberated so many, given us the intellectual tools to reject the narrative that we're innately pathological, psychotic, schizophrenic, but rather these are the warfare tactics used by our oppressors. Her mass mental health diagnosis of our people is invaluable... it has helped us to get at the root causes of many our community ills: colorism; "mammyism"; alcoholism; obesity; lesbianism and homosexuality... I mean what greater gift than to understand the state of mental health of your people, none other than the salvation of your soul, I think...
He's only real in the minds of believerslmao. He never walked this earth Jesus story is a plagiarized copy of the African God Heru. U should replace Jesus lmaooooo. It's facts that no one in that Bible actually lived at all.
Preventing us from advancing!!!! she nailed it!!!
"If you do not understand White Supremacy racism, what it is, and how it works, everything else that you understand will confuse you."
Nellie Fuller Jr!
Peace and blessings
What doctor welsh has talked about so far is pure analytical thinking....based on solid scientific studies.
Survival is the foremost law in nature...even in the animal kingdom same kind look out for their own just to survive....animals have just instinct yet they have figured that out...we humans are a step ahead in the race for intelligence from animals because we have common sense.
We know racism is a problem....the peoblem ia we dont know how to fix it because the solution is priceless.....sacrifice .
Any Afro /ppl of kala’color’ must study understand and internalise the works of Dr Frances C.W before taking any seat of power on this kontinent.🙏🏿💫
Dr. HUNTER represents the younger generation of Black folk who in my experience have a tendency to "know it all" and not "listen" to the advise and wisdom of their elders. Hence Dr. HUNTER'S tendency to continue to interupt the elder. Perhaps listen to this, Dr. HUNTER will see and change the errors of her ways.
No. 1: Not a Dr. No. 2: Dr. Welsing was so cool with the interview that she was going to allow me to publish the digital version of Isis Papers and work on her next project. No. 3: Drucella represents THIS generation that has an opinion on EVERYTHING and knowledge about very little. chew up the meat, spit out the bones and keep it pushing. And if you can do it better, please show the world.
Thank you for validating my point. God gave us two ears for a reason. You should be a Dr. You have the brains. Listening is an art and a valuable skill.
Sister Karen, don’t take any notice of idiots that are disrespecting you. I don’t think Mama Frances was offended or intimidated with the questions that you asked her and it was fair too me.
LOL. I do not. They don't listen to the show. Just flapping gums.
All praises due to Allah and the lsis papers Keys to the Colors by Dr.Frances Cress Welsing the Queen 👑 2024 and beyond Rip. We miss you mama !!! ❤❤❤
stop it, Karen you know well and good you quiet down and switch up the conversation when the oppressor steps in the room.
She right!
Will you let Dr Welsing talk and stop cutting her off! You are SO RUDE!
I think the answer to your question is... your platform 💜
You have to fight white supremacy as a group. You don't just treat this
@Kwamu Hill your response is not rational. If white supremacy is a big fire. We bring a organized group of fighters to put it out. We set up systems to prevent future problems. We do this as a group. . We don't delude ourselves about what we are dealing with. White supremacist must be separated and neutralized there is no therapy or treatment.
@Kwamu Hill what is " compensatory anti racist code"
@Kwamu Hill well if you don't feel the need to give a basic definition I'll assume you are not serious about what you speak about. Everyone in the world should not have to buy that book in order to understand what you speak about
The System has been fought against for too long to no real prevail. The New Generation of Whites needs to understand the real definition and dangers of White Supremacy. Then, teach their own. Those who are in the Comments and have a righteous bone, let them listen, learn and teach their own. Their System was created by them and can only be changed by them. Otherwise, the consequences have been made clear.
@@PreciousRareFind you are ignoring a very serious AND very provable physical reality that the white people on this planet are faced with. Dr. Welsing proved that the people who classify themselves as "white " want to continue to be white. So if they adopt the mindset that you are trying to promote them to teach their children. They within a few generations will not look white like they want to look. They won't have the same culture and THE WISEST OF THEM DON'T WANT THAT. Can you see that (not agree with it can you see it)?
Good interview.
The interviewer a Assole be respectful to the elder especially her Ase to her and rest in power to the ancestor dr Frances
I found this conversation frustrating. I love Dr. Welsing---she was a brilliant mind. But Karen was looking fo answers. Practical things we can do in everyday life to combat the system. Here is the answer.
Start building other systems.
And eight years after this interview, that's exactly what I am doing.
Everybody adds their piece to the solution and should be specifically asked about that expertise. FCW analyzed systems of thought speech and action. She's wasn't an economist or a politician or a statistician etc. Too late now, but in the future, ask the person about that. In a broader organizational sense, she answered the question of what to do, now you find experts in each area to help you understand each part. In other words, if you don't know about fire, learn about it.
FCW and Neely Fuller helped me organize the information I get so that I can identify the angles and how they intersect.
I HAD TO GET UP AND WALK' IT WAS LIKE SOMEONE PUSHED ME IN THE GUT AND KNOCKED ALL THE AIR OUT OF ME'' SISTER SAID 24/7 365 DAYS A YEAR TIMES EVERYDAY OF YOUR LIFE''THAT'S WHY WE LIVE SUCH SHORT LIVES AND ALL THESE DECEASE''''' FROM THE MOMENT YOU DISCOVER HOW THE WORLD VIEW YOU'' THE TIME YOU WAKE UP' GET IN YOUR CAR'' WORKING ALL DAY''TRYING MAKE IT BACK HOME BEFORE BEING STOPPED AND REMINDED WHO YOU ARE......
The host is irritating and borderline disrespectful. 🤦🏿♂️
your comment is irritating and borderline disrespectful!
This great american wants to heal the new and old wounds.
Stress, I get it. The size of the smiles on the faces of the diaspora who moved to Africa say it all
She answered. The fire analogy is telling us we need to put the fire out. She is calling for armed resistance and revolution among black people. But can't say it put loud because it would have made her more of a target than she already was.
I get that same question; What should do? I repeat you have to understand before reacting...some don't get it because ready and underlying stuff don't make you know something it is what you have been doing with the information to make it so you understand. We have been taught to memorize what we study without making sense for self. We had to give the answers that were written in books and this sh!t confuses people. It gonna be hard for some people who have been living this way for more than 20 -25 years unless they have some knowledge of self and history.
Where is part 1 anyone?
9:50 Do you have white patient?? crazy question but okay. You treat them based on your belief system? 10:00 In Psychiatry everything has to be based on reality. Getting people to understand their reality. Karen Hunter wasn't ready for a "TrueElder".
When you get to interview someone like Dr. Welsing, please send me the clip.
Karen Hunter Show So you consider yourself a superior to Humor and pain because you got to interview Dr. Francis Cress Welsing? what logic is that? Why would you ask about her ancestry? We are all mixed with something. We went through hundreds of years of slavery and rape.
I wish I could Talk with her Now 'cause I'll bet with what She Saw coming sister Welsing decided to go 🏠 home. RIP Job well done. See you on the other side... But I wish I could Talk with her...
--Mikhavelli--
Me too. I know so much more and it would be a much better discussion.
He was reference material in so many things... I thought he was some old white liberal scholar generalist. I found out he was black History in just before running into him in N.Y.C. always at library or on the train to Hunter I guess... Did he have that little Japanese airlines bag? I had one which I thought he have to me and he had another or we both had the same bag 🤣
YOu know Dr Clarke was VERY sharp customer. Lol I am Sure it's we had the same bag yeahhh... I really now. It was our first conversation he was very nice and soft spoken... People would ask me do I Know Who that Is I was talking to... THEY knew see...
Aww Dr. Clarke...
Hello....the interview was nice. But you seemed very frustrated when you didnt get the answer you wanted from dr. Welsing. She said specifically if you do not understand racism white supremacy you will be confused. You still asking WHAT DO WE DO. you have the book. It tells you what to do.
rss.art19.com/episodes/c5762d36-c3e8-488c-90a4-522b12abc850.mp3
What helps? Read Nel ly Fu l ler. What happens? Understanding . THIS is where I am and this is what is true. It sinks in and you move differently. People need to read it.
The interviewer is HORRIBLE!! I can't believe you had Dr Welsing on your program and conducted yourself like that. You were very rude & condescending.
Karen Hunter doesn't get it!!!! She was told exactly what she asked for. So what is she gonna ask anybody else the same question for. Either she doesn't get or she don't believe Dr. Welsing.
Respect to the departed ancestor, but Welsing SHOULD be able to name at least 1 simple solution. Nelly Fuller has solutions.
Karen gets it, and wants to do something while she still can. She grew up with this material.
@@Baraborn Unfortunately there is not simple solution. everything should start with the government
I'm asking questions. And this queen was answering them. We had a conversation AFTER this interview where she was trusting me with her future work and the digitizing of the Isis Papers. This didn't happen because she passed away. So...there is that. There's a lot of negative and derogatory commentary about this interview with zero context nor history. While I'm being accused of talking too much, some of you are exhibiting the very anti-black behavior you supposedly rail against.
If you really want to know what we do, tune in for a solid month and then come back and let's chat.
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@@Taylordessalines DEEP!!!!!!
@@Taylordessalines Nobody is trying to slide. But I'm going to do what I have been doing for 25 years...which is ask questions. And if people can do it better, then they need to get out there and do it.
@@Taylordessalines LOL!!!!
@@KarenHunterShow the beauty of an archive/podcast is that one can listen/hear repetitively; noted @ the 10:35 mark (and this is from the experience/analysis of many of her lectures/podcasts - in rotation on counter-racism.com radio|the C.O.W.S gus t renegade host - respectively) her acknowledgement that "this is important" .. have you considered pursuing the digitization project?? perhaps sabrina johnson or, poet danny queen ☮
@@iluvrachellef shallow.
Hunter's tone of voice was such that she was not aware she was speaking to an elder here, not your homegirl!
Man, stop.
@@KarenHunterShow Woman, show more respect.
@@MrS98VAC Man, listen in more...and then YOU show some respect.
Many of the comments on this thread say the same thing that I am saying. You are extremely ignorant!
@@MrS98VAC And yet...the MAJORITY of the comments and the people like the interview. I suggest you chew up the meat and spit out the bones instead of the wagging your finger at a grown person expecting them to change to suit your fragile spirit.
Neely Fuller Jr. Next please!
Kare listen to her. Stop trying to prove Listen and listen to the elder. Much respect. Dr w. Rip power
um...it was an INTERVIEW. One that she had no problems with because we were discussing digitizing Isis Papers before her death.
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Unfortunately, she never answered your question... which was, " once we know what it is and understand it, what steps or measures do we take to start dealing with it to help ourselves get (rid of or) past it ?
Then you don’t understand all 9 levels of WS. If you did you wouldn’t be asking for a simple answer of what do we do.