Installing The New Stage 2 Cams On An Indian Challenger
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- We just got our hands on the first set of Stage 2 Cams to arrive at our store and immediately did a build on this Indian Challenger. Watch the process on how the cams are installed and check out the Bassani Xhaust 2-into-1 system with the Indian Motorcycle Air Cleaner and mid-rise bars. We can't wait to see what this bike can do on the street once the snow melts!
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Due to the insane amount of work involved to install these cams, Indian should just offer a factory built Challenger model with the cams already built in.
I bet there will be a battle of the baggers 40k version soon.
Love the mumbling under his breath. That's a real mechanic.
That's a lot of work for cams
For real,,,,holy shix
This helps make my mind.My challenger runs great stage 1 Indian flash .Lloyds got a tune many are happy with. More power to those wanting these cams but no one breaking my bike down like this
Next week Indian Motorcycle of Metro Milwaukee adds a Stage 2 kit to my 2021 Challenger. After watching this and another CZcams video on installation of the Stage 2 kit, I understand the complexity of the job, the skill involved in properly installing the Stage 2 kit, and the labor charges that I will incur.
Holy shit this is a big job, I just booked my stage 2 upgrade and now I am gonna be sure to buy coffees and donuts for the mechanics that day!
What a frickin nightmare.
I'll wait for when the bike comes straight from the factory with the cams already in.
I know this is old already but serious kudos to that mechanic.
Great video illustrating how tough this is!
Thank you!
Thank God for power tools, enjoyed the Vlog.
Thanks for watching!
Well Indian sure made it simple.
My God, that is a lot more work than I realized!!
It would appear that Indian started the design of the bike with the cams and built the rest of the bike around them.
I live this bike but.... I still like that chop of a Harley with a 475 cam.
Also to add cost of this cam job 600.00 for cams and 8 hours labor at 100.00 per hour.Lloyds tune 600.00 plus shipping.Check Ridingfish runs with tune against Cammed Challenger
I also went the Lloyds tune route on my 2020 Challenger. After seeing this and the amount of work involved, not to mention the cost, I’m quite happy with my choice!
Difficulty of the cam swap & paint quality are the only advantages HD have over a Indian. That M8 is a dream to upgrade compared to this. That being said, Challenger or Pursuit all day over a HD
Damn! Knew you had to drop the engine, but that’s a lot of work, well done. Like the look & sounds of those Bassani’s, assume you had to go w/ PCV, haven’t seen of they’ve updated their maps now that cams are out
This ain't no weekend project boys! Harley cam swap looks like an oil change compared to this!
@@mikeskidmore6754 roadmaster is the same man
@@harryhowell5644 totally different engine. Thunderstroke engine is push rod as well i believe. This is overhead cam on a liquid cooled engine that is also considered part of the frame when altogether. Both bikes but like comparing a 69' 392 Hemi to the newer 392 inspired 6.4L SRT Hemi. Both big V8's, but one is significantly more complex in comparison.
Not going to lie I’m in the process of buying one these and this video makes me question it. Talk about 50lbs of crap in a 2lbs bag
All that to get the cam covers off. WTF.
Did Lloyds ecu tune for my Challenger. Well worth it to you Challenger owners if choice between these cams and Lloyds tune I believe the tune better.Cooks choice
Can you do both for that much more? Cams and tune??
@@jimmysandborn910 Yes you can,cost was factor for me.The cams 700.00 plus ridiculous labor bout 1200.00 because of engine drop.So I only did Lloyds tune very happy
When Lloyd had his cam parties install on Victory Bikes....It wasnt even close to being that indepth
If a motorcycle isn’t good enough off the showroom floor that’s a problem. Harley Davidson is the only motorcycle manufacturer that promotes add on’s out the gate. Other motorcycle makers have their bike loaded out the gate.
“Good enough” is one’s preference. It’s “good enough” for most. Should corvette not make aftermarket parts because it’s not good enough from the factory? You sound like a hater 🤡
I've contracted Dynojet weeks ago regarding an updated PCV tune for the PowerPlus cams and their reply was they did not have any plans to generate a new fuel map for the PP108 cams at this time. Although, my 2020 Challenger has been in the Dealership shop since February 4th (todays date is 02.19.2021) due to there seems to be an issue with the new VCM1 (required for 2020 models) replacement not wanting to communicate or accept the new ECM download necessary for the new cam install.
How many leftover screws do you think your average mechanic would have after doing this?
that’s called extra parts....
Very very nice!!!!!!!
I just got a pursuit and had this done also
No way in hell you are doing that to my new bike.
OMG I'm tired just watching and I'm only 5 minutes in!
great video. thanks for sharing. do we have dyno numbers of the increase? I want to see if all this extra work is worth it..
Damn!!!! That is a lot of work. I am having this done to my challenger. Really excited for this upgrade. Any advice on mufflers/slip on? Not looking for anything aggressive.
Question is, is this worth the cost?
It nets you a total of 12HP.
You can buy a harley M8 114, and make as much power with a fraction of the cost and you can do it in your garage.
You can do stage 3 107 to 119 for a lower price, and make more power than this challenger.
Challenger is fine if you dont want to mod anything. If you do, get the harley.
They should have had a 2 piece valve cover would have made the job allot easier
That would make too much sense! 😁
While I am sure this mechanic did an excellent job, no way would I get the Stage 2 kit. Too complex of an install, too laborious, and something could easily be overlooked, or forgotten. This should be offered on a premium model- from the factory, where the labor would not require tear down and replacement parts.
Seems like it should either just be a factory option or built in. This after the fact stuff is nonsense.
Maybe they will! They did eventually start doing the 116 kit right from the factory.
Labor rates $100/hr. plus computer flash/remap and dyno $3000?
I’ve seen a lot of parts taken off that didn’t need to come off
Imagine having to do all this work, by yourself, while wearing a mask. I'm impressed that he's not even following any instruction manual. Experience.
@@christopherlococo2483 because there's zero need to wear a mask unless you have direct exposure (15 minutes with less than 6' distance). I work in healthcare, and I wear a mask during treatments, but no one needs to wear a mask when you're by yourself. Masks aren't even required in most states anymore. I know first hand that doing manual labor would suck while wearing a mask.
Not sure why the hell he is wearing a mask 😷 never understood this with ppl!! Never!! Ppl be alone still wear stupid mask oh well
Kudos on the job he did!
@@ashebarley77385 there was a second mechanic helping him at one point in the video. Also,not sure how close the next bench/station is behind him.
@@ashebarley77385just wearing cuz he was being recorded
How much was this job and what's the performance gains thank you
"winter project!"
How many hours were involved in the breakdown and reassembly and at what cost per hour labor?
I was told 10 to 11 hours labor which equated to 2k in labor charges
Some serious tedious work dismantling the bike and dropping the motor, then swapping the Cams and doing it all over again to put it all back together. Intricate, not for the faint of heart and patience
The labor cost alone to do this won’t be worth the out come
It's the "Jesus" for me.
First of all I like to say good job..
I just bought the Challenger going to add on the power plus stage 1 air intake and stage 2 performanace cams along with ECU Flash.
Exhaust will be the Zombie Tabs. Your thoughts?
Lloyd's tune is the way too go.. if u wait a bit they are working on their own cams (testing and tuning now) should be alot more of an upgrade than the indians!
How many hours does it take to do the the stage 2 cam upgrade ? Hours and labor?
8 hours. $2500 total.
might as well just swap the motor😂
Idk that I’d trust any dealership to do this
LMFAO what a bad design for upgrading. At least harley considers this stuff when they design a new bike.
You can literally install a stage 2 for an M8 in an hour without disassembling the entire thing.
You can install a bigbore stage4 and all you have to do is take off the gas gank.
This bike is designed like a car.... No consideration for the mechanic who has to work on it after the factory builds it.
All that work and money and it only makes 12HP more.
total tear down for a set of cams? I'm calling BS
You could write on the back of a postage stamp and have space to spare what this man doesn't know about Indian engine's
To many bolt's were never torque if your going to do this work put it back just like factory if not a few years down the road the owner is wondering why some of the problems he has is happing.
Bolts were torqued throughout, most of that was cut from the video so it wasn’t 5 hours long. 😅
Nothing to it...except 8-10 hours of grueling labor, 4 grand and 12 more horses. This is why I'd rather spend my money on drugs.
Well I'm not impressed! Sounds like a stock motor to me with a smoooooooooooooooth idle💩
How Many hours did you waste in this amazing f*ck job?