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The BEST MOD for safely working on huge amplifiers - power up with NO high voltage rails

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  • čas přidán 8. 01. 2021
  • Thanks to a great friend in the field, I am able to showcase this great mod for working on the high power brazilian SD boards and their chinese clones! I hope you find this as interesting as I did.

Komentáře • 63

  • @davoupnya3202
    @davoupnya3202 Před 3 lety +7

    Sam, I can't thank you enough for sharing this and everything you do for all of us ! P.S.: Happy New Year brother !

  • @Johnellenberger1
    @Johnellenberger1 Před 2 lety +1

    Very nice Sam! Had 3 B2 Riot 7k's on my bench that this would have been handy for. No more scary powerups for me. Thanks very much!

  • @fedgeno
    @fedgeno Před 2 lety

    Great video. I saw you using this in another as well, but this explains it better

  • @oof-software
    @oof-software Před 3 lety

    Hey I just wanted to say I really enjoy watching the Streammas VODs (as well as your regular content :D)!

  • @kissingfrogs
    @kissingfrogs Před 3 lety

    i've said it before - your explanations are very good. i learn lots

  • @Pele19x89
    @Pele19x89 Před 3 lety

    Sam, used the same method to separate high voltage and low voltage to rails for safety work on GZCA 35K SPL. The best method to work on this type amplifiers. One jumper for HV on PSU, and another for only drive section.

  • @kenteikenjr4551
    @kenteikenjr4551 Před 3 lety

    I have seen voltage injection in PC board's this is very similar and cool,nice work!

  • @Bassotronics
    @Bassotronics Před 3 lety

    Very awesome technique indeed! 👍🏻

  • @gianstevens7918
    @gianstevens7918 Před 3 lety

    Happy new year brudda! Thanks for the info :)

  • @dnbhrdcr
    @dnbhrdcr Před rokem

    Yo, thanks a TON for your videos, I have learned so much!! I have a question about voltage injection, would it be possible to supply the +/- rails off a battery pack? like +/- 80V directly?

  • @gorak9000
    @gorak9000 Před 3 lety

    That top mosfet driver (at the beginning) looks like it has a hole in it where the magic smoke escaped! Also, you can use the power supply itself to vary the rail voltage. Just replace one of the resistors in the resistive divider that feeds back to the power supply controller with a pot. As you said, the feedback pin looks for a constant voltage, and once that's achieved, then it stops pumping the power supply essentially. With a pot in the resistive divider, you can change at what rail voltage the feedback pin sees the voltage it wants, and there you have a built in adjustable rail supply! I guess as you mentioned in another comment, that might not give you a huge range on the rail, but it depends on the controller. Some switching controllers can go into pulse skip mode to achieve lower voltages, or when the load (current draw) is really low. They only pulse the boost circuit when the DC rail falls below the target.

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      That's not correct I'm afraid buddy, the power supply fets are supplied with PWM at all times of course, in order to supply current to the output section. Even with the deadtime set to extremely high, the voltage on the rails is still exactly the same. The only way is with an external rail supply. There is no way to use the original power supply section to vary the rail voltage.

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 Před 3 lety

      @@barevids What are the part numbers of the mosfet gate driver you removed, and the switching controller where you fool the feedback temporarily? I'd be interested in looking at the datasheets of those... every switching controller I've ever run across sets the output voltage by using a voltage divider to a feedback pin.

  • @danielmoraes9637
    @danielmoraes9637 Před 3 lety

    i imagine that if the output section is shorted they cook the board with this initial 12v, the firsts taramps "platinium series" had this problem in the past, thanks for the vídeo.

  • @TS_sound
    @TS_sound Před 3 lety

    Great great video. Laughed so hard at "if there's any ladies watching....definitely not...who the hell...anyway" :D :D :D :D :D
    Instead of doing this with the donor board for the +rail voltage, another bench power supply can be used to supply 0-100v. No need of big Amps. Additionally You are using the overcurrent protection of it ;)

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      Yes very true! I would need a supply with a middle point ground reference though. I find that when I have just hung a. Single ended DC supply across - rail to + rail, it often shifts over time due to uneven current draw from both rails. But yes, that is the eventual solution.

  • @andrewf.7813
    @andrewf.7813 Před 3 lety

    🙏 thanks for sharing your knowledge

  • @sethgt1234
    @sethgt1234 Před 3 lety

    Sorry I have missed most of your livestreams lately. Miss the videos buddy.

  • @Prozacel
    @Prozacel Před 3 lety

    Happy new year Sam and good to see you again! What do you think about In Phase amplifier IPA4001D ? I ask because i hear a lots of negative thinking about In Phase

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety +1

      It's a pretty poor inefficient 2k amp ☺

  • @electronicayordishernaofp.6024

    Buenas que mofet usa en etapa de audio

  • @craig1474
    @craig1474 Před 2 lety

    I wondered how you were poking around without getting zapped.

  • @EvahSlickMedia
    @EvahSlickMedia Před 2 lety +1

    Wow

  • @TuffApe
    @TuffApe Před 3 lety +1

    Im so excite

    • @b1rken
      @b1rken Před 3 lety +1

      and I just can't hide it

    • @Bassotronics
      @Bassotronics Před 3 lety

      And I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want you, I want you!

  • @hillbilly180
    @hillbilly180 Před 3 lety

    You once started repapairing that older version of SD 8k 2ohm but you had wrong fets. Did you get it up and running eventually?

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      Still waiting to finish it 😂

  • @math3770
    @math3770 Před 2 lety

    Hello, can you help me? I would like to know what is the mark D1 piece. ampli TRF SMD 15000.1D . thankyou

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 2 lety

      Irfp4227 but you should consider replacing with IGBT or 4229

  • @deanhack1197
    @deanhack1197 Před rokem

    Why would my b2 16k clip light be blinking when volume is turned up with the gain is a 1/4 way up

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před rokem

      Because you're clipping. Turn the lpf to minimum and add 55hz lpf on the head unit.

  • @johnnsteele2886
    @johnnsteele2886 Před 3 lety

    Would you be able to work on a Soundstream reference class A amp from the late '90s?

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      Yes

    • @johnnsteele2886
      @johnnsteele2886 Před 3 lety

      @@barevids How would I go about that? I haven't powered it up in years and someone did a poor soldering job on the fuse at some point. I would love to know how much you charge for a once over. I'd like to know if it is healthy before installing it. It might be a good idea to recap it. I'm certainly not confident, and I respect you and your knowledge and you sharing it.

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      Shoot me a message to my facebook page facebook.com/nsvaudio

  • @Bluedragon89206
    @Bluedragon89206 Před 3 lety

    hey man i just picked up a vfl 750.1, it is blown and im currently working on it, has no lights on it, no power or protect, few mosfets were blown at the output section, i took them out and hooked it up to a 12v supply i have, it draws maximum amperage and then after a loud click from the amp it goes down to about 2 amps, still no lights thoe, any idea on where i should go from here?

  • @musicchannel-fr9zq
    @musicchannel-fr9zq Před 3 lety +1

    Sir do you try a monoblock car amp convert into fullrange??? Waiting your vedeo

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      You can do this already, just use slave input and it bypasses the pre-amp, it's as full range as possible from the components inside

    • @musicchannel-fr9zq
      @musicchannel-fr9zq Před 3 lety

      @@barevids i plan to convert my mono amp to fullrange.. I have no idea how to pix .. Please Advice me sir.. Need actual vedeo ...thank u

    • @musicchannel-fr9zq
      @musicchannel-fr9zq Před 3 lety

      I need sample vedeo... I hope you help me sir

  • @jordanciaramitaro6351
    @jordanciaramitaro6351 Před 3 lety

    It would be cool to see you tidy that up into a stand alone high voltage dc power supply with its own voltage and current display. I think it could be done for pretty inexpensively, maybe even mount the high voltage portion of the power supply remotely so it doesn’t take up so much workspace.

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      Yeah definitely, that's the plan now going forward. This was mostly a proof of concept.

  • @warrenzonator
    @warrenzonator Před 3 lety

    I wonder if you could use a transformer on a lower voltage higher current bench supply, rather than buying a 200v bench supply

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      That's exactly what I've done here haha. Remember bench supply is DC. Transformer needs AC. So we use switching supply of a spare amp tand it's transformers to step up voltage.

  • @curranhouse
    @curranhouse Před 3 lety

    @barevids I have a power 1000 chrome rf amp. It hasn’t been powered in 15+ years. The PCB is newer than the amp as RF replaced it for the last factory one years ago. What’s the best way to power it up or test it? I’m uk based so it could go to you? It was working fine last time it was used. Cheers 🤘🏻😀

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety +1

      Use a low current power supply, between 4 and 10 amps if possible 😎

    • @curranhouse
      @curranhouse Před 3 lety

      @@barevids brilliant thanks Sam. I will put it on a bench psu and current limit it. Cheers :)

  • @PiezPiedPy
    @PiezPiedPy Před 3 lety

    Why not for the Frankenstein power supply amp thing just adjust the feedback divider of the power supply controller circuit

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      The only thing we can adjust is the deadtime on output of tl494 which won't give us variable voltage from 0 to 116 😔

  • @kennynielsen1552
    @kennynielsen1552 Před 3 lety

    Do u have a way to contact you I have a rf t3000.1 t800.4 and t1500.1 than need love

  • @krazydogg7685
    @krazydogg7685 Před 3 lety

    I have a sundown sfb 3000 it's I guess China Brazilian board the speaker outputs for the sub is putting out DC voltage I don't know what I should replace on the amp I don't know if my repair guy in my city knows how to fix these kind of amps

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety

      This is totally normal. That's how they're designed. The speaker terminals will have around half rail voltage DC at all times. Even when the amps off.

    • @krazydogg7685
      @krazydogg7685 Před 3 lety

      @@barevids no I mean the app was working good for a while and now it's not when I hook up a sub to the speaker I'll put the sub pushes all the way out and stays that way

  • @sethgt1234
    @sethgt1234 Před 3 lety

    So it would be 12 volts and not 6 volts positive and 12 volts negative? Sorry I know this comment is wrong.

  • @matthiasmartin1975
    @matthiasmartin1975 Před 3 lety

    What are "Korean Halfbridges"???

    • @barevids
      @barevids  Před 3 lety +2

      In Korea they started building a bunch of bridges but ran out of money halfway through. So now there's a bunch of half bridges in Korea.

    • @matthiasmartin1975
      @matthiasmartin1975 Před 3 lety

      @@barevids How depressing. But, really, i did try google.

  • @Pinkielover
    @Pinkielover Před 3 lety +1

    i was sleeping

  • @michaelnichols5034
    @michaelnichols5034 Před 3 lety

    Seen a little of this yesterday and it cut out

  • @sethgt1234
    @sethgt1234 Před 3 lety

    Well i guess 6 volts to 0 and another 6 volts negative? I have had a pretty boozy night. I guess I am right on this comment.