I am amazed at Zagitova's management of her growth spurt and her perseverance through the less than preferable music choice and choreography. Right when people were doubting her... She went there and delivered. That double axel from a Charlotte Spiral was impressive and not something most skaters can do. I hope the best for her. Both Medvedeva and Zagitova's postures are not the best in the business but I really don't think we've seen the best of these ladies yet. They have nerves of steel. Marin... is the phenom waiting to happen but I really hope it happens.
You guys are the absolute best, even though I was just about to go to sleep... 1:43 Alexa/Chris 13:14 Efimova/Korovin 15:15 Deanna/Nate 23:54 Alina - I didn't think her jumps were gonna fall apart this season and clearly they haven't but the programs are much worse than last year 32:57 Loenna Hendrix 37:24 Mai Mihara 41:02 Mariah Bell - I wish her and Bradie could be combined; Mariah's sparkle and personality and looks with Bradie's competitive focus and technical proficiency 48:54: Ashley Lin 50:00 Marin Honda - heartbreaking because she's so beautiful but Raf says his plan for her will take a few years 59:09 Piper/Paul - I actually really enjoyed the free dance 1:07:27 Parsons 1:11:05 Carreira/Ponomorenko 1:12:50 Papadakis/Cizeron 1:14:28 Junior Grand Prix 1:23:55 Men
Both of Alexa and Chris's programs were really enjoyable and showed noticeable growth in several different facets of skating. Even with many mistakes, it felt more promising than if they had gone out there and done the same thing as last year and stayed on their feet. It's great to see their overall skating getting closer to its full potential.
Is it so hard to acknowledge Zagitova's success? puberty(growth spurt, hello 16 years), post-Olympic(god damn hard) season, unstoppable pressure(not the RIGHT winner in Russia), a completely new style in the programs(still bad music, but wonderful NEW choreography ), the first performance at the competitions(not a peak form. too early to judge strictly cos everything will improve/ according to what you said just recently)!!! and what I hear? - Meh. after jumping she staggers a bit. not impressive. WTF ?!?!?!?! I am not blinded.. Alina's Carmen performance is simply gorgeous. Alina's SP (except music cuts) is great done. Everything is so well done and presented that reality just kicked in the face . Alina and Eteri team did a very good job. Professionally and efficiently. at least for now. if something is good then say so
The Knierims have two great programs to work with. They're more intricate and different than what they've done before. While they understandably didn't look fully ready, their overall skating has really been elevated. I didn't expect them to look so different this fast. It's exciting because they have explosive and great elements, so if they can skate these programs well, they should score huge. When Piper and Paul's free dance music started, I was like, oh this is going to be very Canadian. But I ended up really liking it and found the program innovative. It's nice to hear different music in skating.
Alina is a talented skater but the scores are out of control. She is not 10 points better in PCS than her closest competitor in the field. I understand the OGM bonus but there's got to be some kind of restraint from the judges. Definitely deserved the win but not by 29+ points.
I like dresses that look like they've been through a shredder unless they are in a million pieces and no longer look like an actual skirt. They could tone down Alexa's pants a notch in the SP, but the LP dress is pretty. And I know you have a thing for their hot coach, but none of Deanna and Nate's elements should get +4. They lack in transitions and their elements are small. Nate nearly ran into Deanna on the throw in the short program. When Deanna said "not really" in response to Nate telling her there were a lot of good things in the program, I nearly died.
@@colormyworld249 Yes, and she is hindered by the Eteri standard of including so many components the program is never allowed to breathe. These aren't criticisms of the skaters--I think Anna and Alina are wonderful skaters--I'm criticizing Eteri for not allowing these talented athletes to express any individuality.
Aileena Nelson But what's that got to of with emotions? Anna shows plenty of emotion through her movements and expressions. She's the most musical skater, of all current skaters.
@@colormyworld249 I'm saying the movements she is told to do are not good. They are athletic, they are difficult, but they are not artistic. If you watched a 3rd party skate Alina's, Anna's, and Evgenia's old choreography, no one would be able to tell whose it was because these programs are not designed for individuals, they are written with a calculator to achieve the highest technical marks while the girls drink water and weigh themselves in grams in the corner. I also wouldn't say Anna's the most musical skater while Eunsoo and Caroline are still breathing.
Ting Cui is an angel!! I keep imagining her as a ballerina. Yelim is the consistent one that literally breathes down the necks of the Russian prodigies. She delivers. About Alena's warm up, she popped an axel? then Sergei, the coach gave her some instructions and then she went back down the rink to NAIL THAT JUMP! Her left thigh had a tape.. her eyes were swollen, as if she'd been crying. But she delivered. She is just.. wow.. I love watching her. Kudos to Mr. Sergei Dudakov.
I have to admit, I've never noticed Chris before, because all the choreography was so Alexa focused. I never noticed Chris could do nice lines. I love this and them looking like an equal PAIR.
There have been glimpses of their nice lines in their previous programs, like after their twist or when they come out of lifts, but it was underutilized by their choreographers. While pair programs should be more focused on the girl as she is the star flying through the air, I'm glad they're highlighting Chris's good stretch this year.
The Knierims are showing vast improvement. I noticed changes on every single element in their programs, and I’m glad you guys pointed some of them out instead of harping on the falls which in the long run don’t matter. They should feel proud of themselves for how much they’ve already grown artistically and element-wise. They obviously need more time to get the programs in order, but I really like what Aljona has done with them so far. And I figured, Dave, you wouldn’t like their LP. Anything where a pair team shows romantic chemistry you don’t like lol. But that is quintessential pair skating and they look beautiful.
Alexa and Chris’s short program already has 11,000 views, which is huge for a pair team especially a US one. I’d say it’s going to be a hit. They look stunning in the free program too.
I usually agree with you guys but I think you missed the mark on Vincent for Piper and Paul. I cried at 15 seconds in and I think this will win the Canadian Championship this year!
The song (originally by Don McLean, but given a special-order cover here in order to include tempo changes, etc. necessary for an ice dance program) is a tribute to the artist Vincent Van Gogh, who struggled with mental illness for much of his life and ultimately committed suicide, largely unknown (it would only be decades after his death that his work became widely appreciated). Piper's costume, both in its colours and particular details, is meant to represent Van Gogh's most famous painting, "The Starry Night". So the program is about Van Gogh's relationship to his art.
I'm surprised and impressed by all the improvements Aljona has made with Alexa & Chris already. All these changes need testing and an adjustment period, but it's so promising to see what they've done in 8 weeks. They've always been a talented pair and gifted athletically, and now they're making big strides in presentation and quality. Their programs are a real step forward. In the past Benoit hasn't been my favorite, but he has given the Knierims a lot of his attention and it has resulted in quality, intriguing work. Not everyone will love that modern SP, but it's already getting them attention. They look beautiful in that LP, way more polished, sophisticated, and "two-as-one". The program has great flow and speed, there's no slowing down in it. I would like one less squatting move...the squatting spread eagle doesn't seem good for their throw triple flip. But good for them for trying so many new things. The LP costumes are great, and while I'd prefer Alexa's SP pants to be more black, those outfits are symbolic of them truly looking like a different team this year.
Everyone who i talk with, regardless of their age or sex were blown away by Alina's Carmen performance. it punches you in the gut and you want to go back and watch it again and again. Can you imagine that Carmen can be exciting?! But it is, and i can understand why judges that got to see that performance for the first time were blown away and reflected that in protocols. The combination of timeless music, real ballet choreography, costume and Alina's mind blowing beauty and athleticism create one of a kind program that will be remembered for years to come. Too bad that you are so biased towards Orser that you either cannot appreciate it or cannot say what you really feel. also you need to stop spreading rumors about Eteri's methods, it won't end well.
I'm sorry, but are we watching the same thing? She's too young and inexperienced for a Carmen that "punches" one in the gut. But, she does have great musicality and seems to be able to skate to anything. I'd like to see her do Carmen again when she's 25.
Agree with you but some are very stubborn and will never ever accept it ... I am sure it will be like that the whole season... Poor Alina if she keeps winning
I think you just have to accept no matter what Zagitova does, they are not going to look at her in a positive light(for lack of a better term), unless move to Orser. Some skater produce lower quality performances here, but they are looked at more favorably. They praise their strength etc. Comments can always go two ways base on your preference. Even somebody has the jumps, they can say it won’t stick around. If someone has poor technique, they can say oh but she will improve. Fundamentally, they just don’t really agree other people’s ideology/way of doing things. But I guess it’s just hard for people from a different culture. Same with the old “Korean face” comment. If people don’t do it the way you prefer, you don’t look at them favorably.
Alexa and Chris look like an upper echelon pair now, but one that’s still trying to find its way after a ton of changes. I thInk that’s why some people started mentioning a world medal, but I don’t think anyone would put expectations on them to contend for it right away. They are still in a learning and tweaking phase. In addition to any major changes, Aljona is clearly working with them on the little things and I see so much improvement. I don’t know who you talked to, but the reception for the SP I’ve seen has been overwhelmingly positive. It’s unique, athletic, and intricate, and will be their best SP. I think the LP is a great vehicle for them too; it’s the best they’ve looked. I’m excited to see how they develop with more practice. Nebelhorn probably crept up on the calendar faster than they would’ve liked- and they could have watered down and won easily- but it looked like they used the event to test out many changes. They look promising. As for Marin, it’s fair to mention that not everyone adjusts easily or quickly to body changes. We see growing pains for many teenage skaters.
I was very impressed by the improvements I saw from Alina even with the horrific programs. I actually think she could probably skate a lot better to Evgenia’s programs this season than Evgenia.
I loved the first 10 seconds of Marin Honda's LP choreographically, so captivating. Re: Marin Honda's portion - great insight. One bit of constructive feedback (i.e. during Honda's portion), I wish Dave wouldn't interrupt Jonathan's comments abruptly and change the top topic. One, I want him to articulate his thought...and two, I saw the frustration in his face. Even though you guys have great teamwork, and I do enjoy the conversations. Thanks for the video!
Oh, and about that "Russians are now anti Zhenya" thing. Have you watched the open test skates where the crowd went crazy supporting Medvedeva? Did you watch her interview after that skate where she said she felt that she was the only one who was supported by the audience?
Ah I actually have a similar feeling about Nate. I don’t know but all last season he seemed very resentful and even rude toward Deanna. I’m just such a fan of hers and like Jonathan I want her to do so well. But also I want her treated well and I do worry about that...
Well, I understand that you love Brian Orser and Medvedeva and you have to praise Medvedeva to prove that Brian is a great coach. But you know, Brian doesn't need it. He IS a great coach and by degrading Zagitova like this you are doing nothing good to him or Medvedeva. It looks pathetic.
Thank you for saying it. They praise Brian so much, that honestly it feels like they play Brian Orser commercial every few minutes. At this point it does more damage than good after we all had a chance to see that almost all of his skaters have issues at the beginning of the season with either programs, costumes, form or all together. I wish good luck to all of them, but this constant praising of Orser needs to stop, as well as bashing of Eteri and her students.
Exactly eteri is a great coach too and Alina is hands down the best female senior skater right now anyone who is not wowed by her performance at nebelhorn trophy and the ex is insane, her musicality emotions artistry technical strength and mental strength, and those phenomenal jumps , even these two are not fit to criticize her
Is it so hard for you guys to acknowledge that currently Zagitova is the best?... Come on! 2 the most difficult combos, hardest possible transitions... Her jumps HAVE become bigger, she didn't lose the jumps despite the growth spurt, gorgeous costumes, the programs are becoming more and more polished. THAT"S what you should have said... not those... welll you know... PCS too high... her jumps are probably gonna fall apart... programs are trash... So much praise for Medvedeva's poor skate (no hatred meant) and so much critique for Zagitova... That is just nothing but bad publicity.
Zagitova's pcs were insanely high........not deserved at all. Couple of her jumps were a little wonky and aside from the jumps she has weak skating skills, speed and very very bad posture.....
As usual, I think Alina's PCS are too high compared to others like Rika and Wakaba when clean, but compared to Evgenia's performance at ACI who got 34 and 69, they were fair. But that's what I always feel though, Alina is always a bit overscored compared to the field, but underscored compared to Evgenia. Both of their scores are too high most of the time.
What are your thoughts on the music choices for Gracie's programs (I Put a Spell on You and She Used to be Mine), and the announcement that Polina Edmunds is planning a comeback for next season?
Marin Honda is 17! Older than Zagitova and she has never broken through as a top tier senior contender. Her jumps are getting downgraded and she looks heavier now. Her coach is not Eteri. Other Japanese girls like Rika Kihira are better. Medvedeva, should have retired after the Olympics, her reputation would have been intact. Instead now, Medvedeva will end up retiring on a low note. Zagitova’s programmes are way more complex than anyone else’s and she looks so fit. Her music is edgy. And no miming! Her free programmes get faster and build up towards the end. With the Carmen she didn’t even have to accelerate it with jumps she did it with a really good choreographic step sequence and spin, she looked sharper at the end than the beginning.
Did anyone notice that Dave never let his guest say anything positive about Alina? Whenever he was trying to say that he either felt bad for her, or that he was impressed with some of her elements or anything remotely positive, Dave would immediately interrupt and explain how everything about Alina is garbage and nothing special. He never let the guy finish a sentence.
Interesting that you say Mariah shouldn’t have ended with the steps. In the long K&C she told Raf that in the long, because the step sequence is in the middle, she can’t “let go” like she does in the short. Anyways another thing, people always say Mariah is tall but google says she’s 5’3? Is that not accurate? If she’s 5’3, she’s the same height as Marin, Zagi, lots of skaters.
@mish098aimer Yeah, that doesnt mean she wants to keep skating. It could mean she doesn't know what yo do next, like a lot of kids who's lives have centered on skating.
Exactly. It isn't a crime to not want to skate any more and do other things with your life, if that's what she wants. But it can be hard, after parents have spent so much money, country pressures, etc.
How about them saying that Eteri made Alina to drink only water instead of eating to get her into shape she was at Nebelhorn? That is done with the goal to destroy Eteri's reputation. They probably work for Orser's camp. Them using words of absent co-host to compliment Alina, kind of proves it. Feels like they are not allowed to say anything good about Alina or Eteri.
Подрыв Устоев Dude you are insane - Dave and Jonathan have no ties to Orser - they criticize everybody - no one is exempt. Just because they criticize Alina and Eteri’s methods doesn’t mean they are working for Orser. You are absolutely delusional!! Both Dave and Jonathan have said positive things about Eteri girls in the past and now. You’re completely twisting and distorting what they say.
Liked the A&C short program. Seemed more technical compared to prior SP’s. But the costumes were distracting from the story. Sometimes less is more unless we’re talking about the Candyman party dress and thong ensemble.
Can you guys stop saying that the Korean federation has a plan? THEY DON'T. THEY NEVER HAVE PLANS AND THE SKATERS ARE ALWAYS DISCOURAGED BY THE FEDERATION. DAVE, THEY DO NOT HAVE A BIG PICTURE PLAN. It's the skaters who try so hard with their effort and talent and perform well. It really annoys me and the korean skating fans. I'm so mad every time you guys talk good about the Korean skating federation because THAT IS NOT FREAKING TRUE. If you want to talk about something, you gotta do some research, not just spitting out without any evidence.
Alina is now frighteningly over-scored. Now Medvedeva will finally realise how it feels to compete in a field where someone else is unfairly over-scored.
Thoughts on Marie-France spending so much time on TTYCT? I’m assuming it’s all been planned out but I can’t see any other coach “leaving” her other teams right before the grand prixs begin.
@mish098aimer I mean when you're born and raised in a model Japanese family, your life is pretty much set. She's never gonna kill herself over skating.
Calling Zagitova's Carmen program "garbage" - just shows not only your lack of taste, but lack of elementary cultural education. At least in knowing classic balletic performances. There are lots of various rather different portraying of Carmen character and her interpretations, you know? Only because Zagitova's interpretation is not your familiar expected Carmen movie image - isn't the reason to disparage her program. Here we go - czcams.com/video/CoxDZqYfoxE/video.html fragment of Carmen Suite by Alberto Alonso performed by Plisetskaya ;) Zagitova's program is inspired by this performance. This Carmen is not at all languid and experienced - but jubilant and mischievous. So is Alina.
Jonathan, i am trying to find the version of the music she is using. Do you mind helping me to find the link or just the name of the orchestra and year it was performed? Thank you in advance.
Jonathan, look forward to what you find. It sounds more lively, has a ring to it and is more pleasing to my ears than Carmen music in other programs. Music is the same, but the way it sounds seems different to me.
I think you can grow to love the free, she'll develop it well and Carmen suits her, even if you don't like Carmen. As for the short, maybe you can mute the music and just watch her beautiful skate because the music is awful
I am sick of hearing that "Russians are against Medvedeva because she moved to Canada and became a world citizen". Completely false! It's totally fine to change coaches, to try something new. What Russian fans and Eteri herself criticize is the very way she left her previous coaching team - without saying normal goodbyes, ignoring calls and texts, lying in the press. Please stop presenting things as if they are fact when there is no evidence other than Medvedeva's words or your own fantasies.
But Zhenya wasn't the first time - there have been other skaters who had left Eteri the same way in the past. Polina Shelepen, Yulia Lipnitzkaya, Sergei Voronov, etc. She made sure to criticize each of them very publicly in her interviews later. (that was low as a coach). I started to wonder what actually had happened between Eteri and these skaters if they would behave the same pattern (leaving her without any words and never want to talk to her again). We never know whether Eteri did or said things to them that made them really upset when they were still her students. And of course, she would never reveal something inconvenient for herself publicly.
Is there even a diplomatic way to leave eteri??? Or will she just burn you the moment you choose to leave? Like first Yulia and then evgenia...if you aren’t a “star” skater of hers and if you leave, she doesn’t give a fuck. If everyone loves you but you leave, you’re in her burn book. So I have no idea if she left in such a way. And even if she did, maybe after years of difficulty..and clearly how difficult of a decision it is, you will need to just not reply. I mean people ghost in breakups right? She gave a really good response in the end with the whole “I learnt a lot and now I just need to do something different”. So her choices were probably fine, understandable and should be respected way more than Russia seems to.
Well yeah, Eteri is tough, strict and demanding, and her style doesn't suit everybody. I am not surprised that some people didn't survive her training. They made their choice, and neither of them was particularly successful after leaving Eteri. Say, Tsurskaya explained her reasons - she wanted more relaxed atmosphere in the team...well, we saw the results too (I really hope things will get better for her). But Medvedeva was different. She was Eteri's second daughter, special and privileged. It was absolutely obvious to everyone that Eteri-human wanted Zhenya to win the Olympics (Eteri-professional wanted the strongest lady to win). Zhenya did all this because she (untouchable queen) sincerely thinks that Eteri should have stopped Alina from even taking part in the Olympics. She called Eteri a "traitor" because of that.
Well I just want to say that you shouldn't make a bad rivalry between Evgenia & Alina, both girls are great, the best ones so far at FS ... Ok 1 moved to Canada , changed coaches and her skating level is changing so is not doing that good for now... But that doesn't mean that you can't accept that the other 1 is doing better now... I just wish and know that these girls are making history in their own way, they are strong and challenge the younger ones coming and I really wish both the best 🙌 I hope 1 day they be friends again so fans stop fighting... I know when you have your favorite you can blind a little but we have to give credit for the other skaters as well...
What Denney and Frazier were you watching? They had a really rough time throughout their free skate and scored in the 160s total. I liked their short program. Aside from Vanessa and Morgan that event was really rough overall and I’m not surprised Dave glanced over a lot of it.
I watched the one with great improvement from the last two years, the one wherein they both demonstrated commitment to the choreography, amplitude in the performance, the one wherein there was terrific music and nice speed throughout, and the one during which the lifts were pretty spectacular. There were a couple of oops in the long....and their elements may not be the hardest. Everyone makes excuses for favorites because it's early in the season. They're all my favorites, and I want all of them to skate their best. I saw programs that were further along and better performed than the other pairs at Nebelhorn. Yep, that Denney and Frazier. Might try a second look.
I like them, but regardless of how much you like them personally, they scored 102 in the free, which isn’t going to garner a glowing report from TSL especially since they tend to be quite a critic. There was a lot to discuss that week with Hanyu, Medvedeva, etc.
Her crossovers aren't great, but the rest of her skating is up to her standard. She's the strongest senior lady this season nonetheless. However, Rika can challenge.
"La will be back w us soon as long as her kids are not screaming in the background" says Dave as I'm on the train and there's a baby screaming in the background 🙄😅
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1:38 - Knierems
13:13 - Efimova & Korovin
15:13 - Deanna & Nate
23:54 - Alina Zagitova
32:58 - Loena Hendrickx
37:22 - Mai Mihara
41:01 - Mariah Bell
48:54 - Ashley Lin
50:01 - Marin Honda
59:10 - Gilles & Poirier
1:07:30 - the Parsons
1:11:02 - Carreira & Ponomarkenko
1:12:52 - Papadakis & Cizeron
1:14:26 - JGP Ostrava / Ting Cui
1:16:41 - Yelim Kim
1:18:55 - Alena Kostornaya
1:21:14 - Camden Pulkinen
1:22:34 - Sergei Dudakov
1:23:54 - Tim Dolensky & Alexei Krasnozhon
1:26:21 - Artur Dimitriev's 3Lz-3F
1:28:17 - Keegan Messing
1:30:19 - Moment of the Week
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I am amazed at Zagitova's management of her growth spurt and her perseverance through the less than preferable music choice and choreography. Right when people were doubting her... She went there and delivered. That double axel from a Charlotte Spiral was impressive and not something most skaters can do. I hope the best for her. Both Medvedeva and Zagitova's postures are not the best in the business but I really don't think we've seen the best of these ladies yet. They have nerves of steel.
Marin... is the phenom waiting to happen but I really hope it happens.
Kasvini Muniandy alina has landed a charlotte spiral to a 3lz in ex’s...amazing jumping talent
You guys are the absolute best, even though I was just about to go to sleep...
1:43 Alexa/Chris
13:14 Efimova/Korovin
15:15 Deanna/Nate
23:54 Alina - I didn't think her jumps were gonna fall apart this season and clearly they haven't but the programs are much worse than last year
32:57 Loenna Hendrix
37:24 Mai Mihara
41:02 Mariah Bell - I wish her and Bradie could be combined; Mariah's sparkle and personality and looks with Bradie's competitive focus and technical proficiency
48:54: Ashley Lin
50:00 Marin Honda - heartbreaking because she's so beautiful but Raf says his plan for her will take a few years
59:09 Piper/Paul - I actually really enjoyed the free dance
1:07:27 Parsons
1:11:05 Carreira/Ponomorenko
1:12:50 Papadakis/Cizeron
1:14:28 Junior Grand Prix
1:23:55 Men
Nobody's said anything, but A+ for sound and video quality! Huge improvement over what was, lol
Thank you!!
Both of Alexa and Chris's programs were really enjoyable and showed noticeable growth in several different facets of skating. Even with many mistakes, it felt more promising than if they had gone out there and done the same thing as last year and stayed on their feet. It's great to see their overall skating getting closer to its full potential.
Johnathon’s sound was great this week, well done guys!
Is it so hard to acknowledge Zagitova's success? puberty(growth spurt, hello 16 years), post-Olympic(god damn hard) season, unstoppable pressure(not the RIGHT winner in Russia), a completely new style in the programs(still bad music, but wonderful NEW choreography ), the first performance at the competitions(not a peak form. too early to judge strictly cos everything will improve/ according to what you said just recently)!!! and what I hear? - Meh. after jumping she staggers a bit. not impressive. WTF ?!?!?!?! I am not blinded..
Alina's Carmen performance is simply gorgeous. Alina's SP (except music cuts) is great done. Everything is so well done and presented that reality just kicked in the face . Alina and Eteri team did a very good job. Professionally and efficiently. at least for now. if something is good then say so
The Knierims have two great programs to work with. They're more intricate and different than what they've done before. While they understandably didn't look fully ready, their overall skating has really been elevated. I didn't expect them to look so different this fast. It's exciting because they have explosive and great elements, so if they can skate these programs well, they should score huge. When Piper and Paul's free dance music started, I was like, oh this is going to be very Canadian. But I ended up really liking it and found the program innovative. It's nice to hear different music in skating.
Alina is a talented skater but the scores are out of control. She is not 10 points better in PCS than her closest competitor in the field. I understand the OGM bonus but there's got to be some kind of restraint from the judges. Definitely deserved the win but not by 29+ points.
I like dresses that look like they've been through a shredder unless they are in a million pieces and no longer look like an actual skirt. They could tone down Alexa's pants a notch in the SP, but the LP dress is pretty. And I know you have a thing for their hot coach, but none of Deanna and Nate's elements should get +4. They lack in transitions and their elements are small. Nate nearly ran into Deanna on the throw in the short program. When Deanna said "not really" in response to Nate telling her there were a lot of good things in the program, I nearly died.
Every Eteri program: "Ah yes, I have heard of these human emotions. I will show some of them to you now."
*insert computer noises*
Have you watched Shcherbakova skate?
@@colormyworld249 Yes, and she is hindered by the Eteri standard of including so many components the program is never allowed to breathe. These aren't criticisms of the skaters--I think Anna and Alina are wonderful skaters--I'm criticizing Eteri for not allowing these talented athletes to express any individuality.
Aileena Nelson But what's that got to of with emotions? Anna shows plenty of emotion through her movements and expressions. She's the most musical skater, of all current skaters.
@@colormyworld249 I'm saying the movements she is told to do are not good. They are athletic, they are difficult, but they are not artistic. If you watched a 3rd party skate Alina's, Anna's, and Evgenia's old choreography, no one would be able to tell whose it was because these programs are not designed for individuals, they are written with a calculator to achieve the highest technical marks while the girls drink water and weigh themselves in grams in the corner. I also wouldn't say Anna's the most musical skater while Eunsoo and Caroline are still breathing.
Ting Cui is an angel!! I keep imagining her as a ballerina. Yelim is the consistent one that literally breathes down the necks of the Russian prodigies. She delivers.
About Alena's warm up, she popped an axel? then Sergei, the coach gave her some instructions and then she went back down the rink to NAIL THAT JUMP! Her left thigh had a tape.. her eyes were swollen, as if she'd been crying. But she delivered. She is just.. wow.. I love watching her. Kudos to Mr. Sergei Dudakov.
"Flailing to Celine".... Oh girlll... Ive been there...
I have to admit, I've never noticed Chris before, because all the choreography was so Alexa focused. I never noticed Chris could do nice lines. I love this and them looking like an equal PAIR.
There have been glimpses of their nice lines in their previous programs, like after their twist or when they come out of lifts, but it was underutilized by their choreographers. While pair programs should be more focused on the girl as she is the star flying through the air, I'm glad they're highlighting Chris's good stretch this year.
The Knierims are showing vast improvement. I noticed changes on every single element in their programs, and I’m glad you guys pointed some of them out instead of harping on the falls which in the long run don’t matter. They should feel proud of themselves for how much they’ve already grown artistically and element-wise. They obviously need more time to get the programs in order, but I really like what Aljona has done with them so far. And I figured, Dave, you wouldn’t like their LP. Anything where a pair team shows romantic chemistry you don’t like lol. But that is quintessential pair skating and they look beautiful.
Alexa and Chris’s short program already has 11,000 views, which is huge for a pair team especially a US one. I’d say it’s going to be a hit. They look stunning in the free program too.
I usually agree with you guys but I think you missed the mark on Vincent for Piper and Paul. I cried at 15 seconds in and I think this will win the Canadian Championship this year!
The song (originally by Don McLean, but given a special-order cover here in order to include tempo changes, etc. necessary for an ice dance program) is a tribute to the artist Vincent Van Gogh, who struggled with mental illness for much of his life and ultimately committed suicide, largely unknown (it would only be decades after his death that his work became widely appreciated). Piper's costume, both in its colours and particular details, is meant to represent Van Gogh's most famous painting, "The Starry Night". So the program is about Van Gogh's relationship to his art.
Great episode thanks for the entertainment guys. It's my Monday walk the dog fun time.
I'm surprised and impressed by all the improvements Aljona has made with Alexa & Chris already. All these changes need testing and an adjustment period, but it's so promising to see what they've done in 8 weeks. They've always been a talented pair and gifted athletically, and now they're making big strides in presentation and quality. Their programs are a real step forward. In the past Benoit hasn't been my favorite, but he has given the Knierims a lot of his attention and it has resulted in quality, intriguing work. Not everyone will love that modern SP, but it's already getting them attention. They look beautiful in that LP, way more polished, sophisticated, and "two-as-one". The program has great flow and speed, there's no slowing down in it. I would like one less squatting move...the squatting spread eagle doesn't seem good for their throw triple flip. But good for them for trying so many new things. The LP costumes are great, and while I'd prefer Alexa's SP pants to be more black, those outfits are symbolic of them truly looking like a different team this year.
Everyone who i talk with, regardless of their age or sex were blown away by Alina's Carmen performance. it punches you in the gut and you want to go back and watch it again and again. Can you imagine that Carmen can be exciting?! But it is, and i can understand why judges that got to see that performance for the first time were blown away and reflected that in protocols. The combination of timeless music, real ballet choreography, costume and Alina's mind blowing beauty and athleticism create one of a kind program that will be remembered for years to come. Too bad that you are so biased towards Orser that you either cannot appreciate it or cannot say what you really feel. also you need to stop spreading rumors about Eteri's methods, it won't end well.
I'm sorry, but are we watching the same thing? She's too young and inexperienced for a Carmen that "punches" one in the gut. But, she does have great musicality and seems to be able to skate to anything. I'd like to see her do Carmen again when she's 25.
Agree with you but some are very stubborn and will never ever accept it ... I am sure it will be like that the whole season... Poor Alina if she keeps winning
@@moonjer9777 Yeah, I prefer the Phantom music. Wish they'd given her ballet music again.
oh, that canadian judge. every competition has one.
alexjwebabou ;)
I think you just have to accept no matter what Zagitova does, they are not going to look at her in a positive light(for lack of a better term), unless move to Orser. Some skater produce lower quality performances here, but they are looked at more favorably. They praise their strength etc. Comments can always go two ways base on your preference. Even somebody has the jumps, they can say it won’t stick around. If someone has poor technique, they can say oh but she will improve. Fundamentally, they just don’t really agree other people’s ideology/way of doing things. But I guess it’s just hard for people from a different culture. Same with the old “Korean face” comment. If people don’t do it the way you prefer, you don’t look at them favorably.
Exactly these two are so biased and obviously pro orser and against eteri
Thats a subjective channel
Alexa and Chris look like an upper echelon pair now, but one that’s still trying to find its way after a ton of changes. I thInk that’s why some people started mentioning a world medal, but I don’t think anyone would put expectations on them to contend for it right away. They are still in a learning and tweaking phase. In addition to any major changes, Aljona is clearly working with them on the little things and I see so much improvement. I don’t know who you talked to, but the reception for the SP I’ve seen has been overwhelmingly positive. It’s unique, athletic, and intricate, and will be their best SP. I think the LP is a great vehicle for them too; it’s the best they’ve looked. I’m excited to see how they develop with more practice. Nebelhorn probably crept up on the calendar faster than they would’ve liked- and they could have watered down and won easily- but it looked like they used the event to test out many changes. They look promising.
As for Marin, it’s fair to mention that not everyone adjusts easily or quickly to body changes. We see growing pains for many teenage skaters.
I looooved Piper and Paul's short dance but I also really really loved their free dance and was very moved by it.
I was very impressed by the improvements I saw from Alina even with the horrific programs. I actually think she could probably skate a lot better to Evgenia’s programs this season than Evgenia.
Gays discuss that Sergei Dudakov looks like a factory worker. What else is new?
Dave, the way you described G/P’s FD music was just spectacular and so accurate!
I loved the first 10 seconds of Marin Honda's LP choreographically, so captivating. Re: Marin Honda's portion - great insight. One bit of constructive feedback (i.e. during Honda's portion), I wish Dave wouldn't interrupt Jonathan's comments abruptly and change the top topic. One, I want him to articulate his thought...and two, I saw the frustration in his face. Even though you guys have great teamwork, and I do enjoy the conversations. Thanks for the video!
Oh, and about that "Russians are now anti Zhenya" thing. Have you watched the open test skates where the crowd went crazy supporting Medvedeva? Did you watch her interview after that skate where she said she felt that she was the only one who was supported by the audience?
You two sound AMAZING!!!!!!! #MoreOfThis ❤️❤️❤️❤️😂
"pleasantly dated"
Ah I actually have a similar feeling about Nate. I don’t know but all last season he seemed very resentful and even rude toward Deanna. I’m just such a fan of hers and like Jonathan I want her to do so well. But also I want her treated well and I do worry about that...
Well, I understand that you love Brian Orser and Medvedeva and you have to praise Medvedeva to prove that Brian is a great coach. But you know, Brian doesn't need it. He IS a great coach and by degrading Zagitova like this you are doing nothing good to him or Medvedeva. It looks pathetic.
👍 Agree both girls are great ! There's no need to put down 1 to put 1 up ... Sad
Thank you for saying it. They praise Brian so much, that honestly it feels like they play Brian Orser commercial every few minutes. At this point it does more damage than good after we all had a chance to see that almost all of his skaters have issues at the beginning of the season with either programs, costumes, form or all together. I wish good luck to all of them, but this constant praising of Orser needs to stop, as well as bashing of Eteri and her students.
Exactly eteri is a great coach too and Alina is hands down the best female senior skater right now anyone who is not wowed by her performance at nebelhorn trophy and the ex is insane, her musicality emotions artistry technical strength and mental strength, and those phenomenal jumps , even these two are not fit to criticize her
I only heard Eteri snd her choreographers being put down. Didn't Dave even say it wasn't Alena's fault?
Where were they putting Alina down though?
Is it so hard for you guys to acknowledge that currently Zagitova is the best?... Come on! 2 the most difficult combos, hardest possible transitions... Her jumps HAVE become bigger, she didn't lose the jumps despite the growth spurt, gorgeous costumes, the programs are becoming more and more polished. THAT"S what you should have said... not those... welll you know... PCS too high... her jumps are probably gonna fall apart... programs are trash... So much praise for Medvedeva's poor skate (no hatred meant) and so much critique for Zagitova... That is just nothing but bad publicity.
Zagitova's pcs were insanely high........not deserved at all. Couple of her jumps were a little wonky and aside from the jumps she has weak skating skills, speed and very very bad posture.....
As usual, I think Alina's PCS are too high compared to others like Rika and Wakaba when clean, but compared to Evgenia's performance at ACI who got 34 and 69, they were fair. But that's what I always feel though, Alina is always a bit overscored compared to the field, but underscored compared to Evgenia. Both of their scores are too high most of the time.
Did u actually listen? They kept saying she had strong athleticism.
I agree with you but well people are people and some will never accept facts ... 🤷🙄
sometimes those transitions are not aesthetically pleasent, sometimes less is more.
Personality wise, Marin reminds me of Miki Ando, but Miki was talented enough to become the World Champion twice.
What are your thoughts on the music choices for Gracie's programs (I Put a Spell on You and She Used to be Mine), and the announcement that Polina Edmunds is planning a comeback for next season?
i can't believe you guys dont like piper and paul's FD! i think it's brilliant i loooove how different it is
Marin Honda is 17! Older than Zagitova and she has never broken through as a top tier senior contender. Her jumps are getting downgraded and she looks heavier now. Her coach is not Eteri. Other Japanese girls like Rika Kihira are better. Medvedeva, should have retired after the Olympics, her reputation would have been intact. Instead now, Medvedeva will end up retiring on a low note. Zagitova’s programmes are way more complex than anyone else’s and she looks so fit. Her music is edgy. And no miming! Her free programmes get faster and build up towards the end. With the Carmen she didn’t even have to accelerate it with jumps she did it with a really good choreographic step sequence and spin, she looked sharper at the end than the beginning.
"Nebelhorn" is a mountain summit belonging to the alps- it can be reached from Oberstdorf by cable car 🤓 greetings from Germany
Jonathan hat gesagt, dass Nebelhorn "fog horn" auf English bedeutet. He thought that was a funny name for a skating competition, I guess.
Guys, do you know anything about noble men's conversations?
Ahhh sleep can wait
Did anyone notice that Dave never let his guest say anything positive about Alina? Whenever he was trying to say that he either felt bad for her, or that he was impressed with some of her elements or anything remotely positive, Dave would immediately interrupt and explain how everything about Alina is garbage and nothing special. He never let the guy finish a sentence.
I am pretty sure that Alena Kostornaia was sick during her programs
Cui is pronounced like "ts-wei"
Interesting that you say Mariah shouldn’t have ended with the steps. In the long K&C she told Raf that in the long, because the step sequence is in the middle, she can’t “let go” like she does in the short. Anyways another thing, people always say Mariah is tall but google says she’s 5’3? Is that not accurate? If she’s 5’3, she’s the same height as Marin, Zagi, lots of skaters.
Marin is disappointing. Rika is my girl this season.
Maybe Marin doesn't WANT to skate and is being forced to? Just saying. Only reason I can think of for someone not working hard at this level.
@mish098aimer Yeah, that doesnt mean she wants to keep skating. It could mean she doesn't know what yo do next, like a lot of kids who's lives have centered on skating.
Exactly. It isn't a crime to not want to skate any more and do other things with your life, if that's what she wants. But it can be hard, after parents have spent so much money, country pressures, etc.
Waited for you! 😊😍
WOW they are really praying for Alina be injured and lose her jumps. That's evil.
LOL what?? LOL some of these comments are insane - you have to be evil yourself to twist what they said like that
How about them saying that Eteri made Alina to drink only water instead of eating to get her into shape she was at Nebelhorn? That is done with the goal to destroy Eteri's reputation. They probably work for Orser's camp. Them using words of absent co-host to compliment Alina, kind of proves it. Feels like they are not allowed to say anything good about Alina or Eteri.
Подрыв Устоев Dude you are insane - Dave and Jonathan have no ties to Orser - they criticize everybody - no one is exempt. Just because they criticize Alina and Eteri’s methods doesn’t mean they are working for Orser. You are absolutely delusional!! Both Dave and Jonathan have said positive things about Eteri girls in the past and now. You’re completely twisting and distorting what they say.
I do disagree with Zagitova you were way to hard on her. But love you guys as usual.
Not that Alina would care, but if she moves to Orser I'm sure the tone will change.
@@seruleane lol
What does the V on Marin's spin mean?
It means that she didn't get all three positions (camel, sit, upright) in her combo spin i believe.
Liked the A&C short program. Seemed more technical compared to prior SP’s. But the costumes were distracting from the story. Sometimes less is more unless we’re talking about the Candyman party dress and thong ensemble.
Congrats to La on the birth of her second child!
Can you guys stop saying that the Korean federation has a plan? THEY DON'T. THEY NEVER HAVE PLANS AND THE SKATERS ARE ALWAYS DISCOURAGED BY THE FEDERATION. DAVE, THEY DO NOT HAVE A BIG PICTURE PLAN. It's the skaters who try so hard with their effort and talent and perform well. It really annoys me and the korean skating fans.
I'm so mad every time you guys talk good about the Korean skating federation because THAT IS NOT FREAKING TRUE. If you want to talk about something, you gotta do some research, not just spitting out without any evidence.
Alina is now frighteningly over-scored. Now Medvedeva will finally realise how it feels to compete in a field where someone else is unfairly over-scored.
Thoughts on Marie-France spending so much time on TTYCT? I’m assuming it’s all been planned out but I can’t see any other coach “leaving” her other teams right before the grand prixs begin.
TTYCT?
L C it’s the “thank you Canada tour”
Marin has "everything", that's exactly the problem.
@mish098aimer I mean when you're born and raised in a model Japanese family, your life is pretty much set. She's never gonna kill herself over skating.
@mish098aimer you're right. I was talking about what's it like for her outside skating because her motivation is a big problem right now.
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I’m so early! #2 . Have to stay up for some tea I guess
Calling Zagitova's Carmen program "garbage" - just shows not only your lack of taste, but lack of elementary cultural education. At least in knowing classic balletic performances. There are lots of various rather different portraying of Carmen character and her interpretations, you know? Only because Zagitova's interpretation is not your familiar expected Carmen movie image - isn't the reason to disparage her program.
Here we go - czcams.com/video/CoxDZqYfoxE/video.html fragment of Carmen Suite by Alberto Alonso performed by Plisetskaya ;) Zagitova's program is inspired by this performance. This Carmen is not at all languid and experienced - but jubilant and mischievous. So is Alina.
SergejKrolik she is using music from the opera...which I have performed in all over the world.
No, she is using Schedrin's music from ballet Carmen suite. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Suite_(ballet)
Jonathan, i am trying to find the version of the music she is using. Do you mind helping me to find the link or just the name of the orchestra and year it was performed? Thank you in advance.
Подрыв Устоев I will look into it! :)
Jonathan, look forward to what you find. It sounds more lively, has a ring to it and is more pleasing to my ears than Carmen music in other programs. Music is the same, but the way it sounds seems different to me.
I love Alina but her programs aren't doing it for me this year I'm sorry.
I think you can grow to love the free, she'll develop it well and Carmen suits her, even if you don't like Carmen. As for the short, maybe you can mute the music and just watch her beautiful skate because the music is awful
@@wotanworld5504 👍 Totally agree !!
I am sick of hearing that "Russians are against Medvedeva because she moved to Canada and became a world citizen". Completely false! It's totally fine to change coaches, to try something new. What Russian fans and Eteri herself criticize is the very way she left her previous coaching team - without saying normal goodbyes, ignoring calls and texts, lying in the press. Please stop presenting things as if they are fact when there is no evidence other than Medvedeva's words or your own fantasies.
👍 Agree !!
But Zhenya wasn't the first time - there have been other skaters who had left Eteri the same way in the past. Polina Shelepen, Yulia Lipnitzkaya, Sergei Voronov, etc. She made sure to criticize each of them very publicly in her interviews later. (that was low as a coach). I started to wonder what actually had happened between Eteri and these skaters if they would behave the same pattern (leaving her without any words and never want to talk to her again). We never know whether Eteri did or said things to them that made them really upset when they were still her students. And of course, she would never reveal something inconvenient for herself publicly.
Is there even a diplomatic way to leave eteri??? Or will she just burn you the moment you choose to leave? Like first Yulia and then evgenia...if you aren’t a “star” skater of hers and if you leave, she doesn’t give a fuck. If everyone loves you but you leave, you’re in her burn book.
So I have no idea if she left in such a way. And even if she did, maybe after years of difficulty..and clearly how difficult of a decision it is, you will need to just not reply. I mean people ghost in breakups right? She gave a really good response in the end with the whole “I learnt a lot and now I just need to do something different”.
So her choices were probably fine, understandable and should be respected way more than Russia seems to.
Sima left Eteri and Eteri only has good things to say about her. So there is a good way to leave.
Well yeah, Eteri is tough, strict and demanding, and her style doesn't suit everybody. I am not surprised that some people didn't survive her training. They made their choice, and neither of them was particularly successful after leaving Eteri. Say, Tsurskaya explained her reasons - she wanted more relaxed atmosphere in the team...well, we saw the results too (I really hope things will get better for her).
But Medvedeva was different. She was Eteri's second daughter, special and privileged. It was absolutely obvious to everyone that Eteri-human wanted Zhenya to win the Olympics (Eteri-professional wanted the strongest lady to win). Zhenya did all this because she (untouchable queen) sincerely thinks that Eteri should have stopped Alina from even taking part in the Olympics. She called Eteri a "traitor" because of that.
Same old BS of those two. No, there is no conspiracy for delaying a week nd all. The rest are just usual wishes instead of reality.
dave... did you just tell aljona to go have babies??
Bring Jenny back as a guest!
Well I just want to say that you shouldn't make a bad rivalry between Evgenia & Alina, both girls are great, the best ones so far at FS ... Ok 1 moved to Canada , changed coaches and her skating level is changing so is not doing that good for now... But that doesn't mean that you can't accept that the other 1 is doing better now... I just wish and know that these girls are making history in their own way, they are strong and challenge the younger ones coming and I really wish both the best 🙌 I hope 1 day they be friends again so fans stop fighting... I know when you have your favorite you can blind a little but we have to give credit for the other skaters as well...
At Autumn Classic, Denny and Frazier were better prepared and more polished than either of the US Pairs at Nebelhorn, yet didn't rate a mention.
What Denney and Frazier were you watching? They had a really rough time throughout their free skate and scored in the 160s total. I liked their short program. Aside from Vanessa and Morgan that event was really rough overall and I’m not surprised Dave glanced over a lot of it.
The needed to kill time so they can spend less of it on Alina, that is why they spend so much time discussing pairs.
I watched the one with great improvement from the last two years, the one wherein they both demonstrated commitment to the choreography, amplitude in the performance, the one wherein there was terrific music and nice speed throughout, and the one during which the lifts were pretty spectacular. There were a couple of oops in the long....and their elements may not be the hardest. Everyone makes excuses for favorites because it's early in the season. They're all my favorites, and I want all of them to skate their best. I saw programs that were further along and better performed than the other pairs at Nebelhorn. Yep, that Denney and Frazier. Might try a second look.
I like them, but regardless of how much you like them personally, they scored 102 in the free, which isn’t going to garner a glowing report from TSL especially since they tend to be quite a critic. There was a lot to discuss that week with Hanyu, Medvedeva, etc.
Zagitova has weak SS and bad posture which was masked with last year's programs. Carmen is not good..
Her crossovers aren't great, but the rest of her skating is up to her standard. She's the strongest senior lady this season nonetheless. However, Rika can challenge.
Oh how funny to denegrate the British pairs skater. Disgusting
"La will be back w us soon as long as her kids are not screaming in the background" says Dave as I'm on the train and there's a baby screaming in the background 🙄😅