This and That: MyKayla Skinner, Alexandra Trusova's Comeback and Chinese Swimming Scandal
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- MyKayla Skinner had some thoughts about the 2024 U.S. Olympic Gymnastics Trials. Simone Biles and her teammates had some thoughts about MyKayla. Meanwhile, Alexandra Trusova intends to return to competition. We also have seen glimpses at new programs from Alena Kostornaia and Georgy Kunitsa, Ilia Malinin, Yuma Kagiyama, Mai Mihara and Kaori Sakamoto. The FBI is now investigating that 23 Chinese swimmers took trimitazedine prior to the Tokyo Olympics - and WADA bought the excuse that their hotel kitchen was somehow contaminated. Eleven of these swimmers are scheduled to compete in Paris. We break it all down on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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„Eteri is a healer, a mother..“ 😂😂😂
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Best line in the whole episode (in regard to Trusova's comeback) from Dave: "...Dr Shvetsky is talented and..." 🤣🤣🤣
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Here for the Makayla skinner tea
Kaori should go back to her Janet Jackson sp for the Olympic season.
Agreed.
Agreed. I didn't connect with her tango. The step sequence didn't sell the programme
I'm not sure Mykayla has ever understood the concept of "cause and effect". She's been treated like a Mormon Princess who could do no wrong her entire life and wasn't told no. She's used to being able to speak her mind and, much like a cockroach, managing to survive.
She may have bit off more than she could chew this time. And part of me feels sad for her because so much of what she says comes from a gnawing insecurity regarding her career that I doubt will ever go away. I also worry about what she saw as a child and how her parents likely completely fucked her up. Jonas scares me too.
if you've seen what her parents have said on social media alone, you know where it comes from; she wasn't taught any different sadly.
Not sure what you mean by Jonas being scary but from what I’ve seen Mykayla definitely wears the pants in that relationship, lol. I watched her watch party and she was bossing him around the entire time. He cooked for her, and she’d be like hand me my food, put this in the kitchen for me, get the baby etc lol. Totally agree though about her not understanding cause and effect. She just really lacks self awareness and like a general understanding of what’s socially appropriate. I watched the infamous videos and I really don’t think she had any clue her comments would be so controversial.
@@embeth446 Agreed she has a lot of autistic spectrum characteristics...which is labeled a disablility...so are people yelling at her for a very potential disability she may have?
@@KLJ100We are all potentially on the spectrum until it's confirmed one way or another. So basically, we're all allowed to be mean-spirited and thoughtless without consequence.
@@minhquanguyen That does seem to be trend these days... is it not? However she did not say anything mean spirited or thoughtless as it was observervations, nor who are we to believe that people deseerve "consequences". It's commentary take it or leave it. People are to eager for the next witch hunt.
I hope Trusova doesn't go back to Eteri. She's past the age where Eteri girls have been successful.
Thank you Dave and Nolan! This and That is always such a treat!
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Kazuki remains my favorite Japanese skater, but Shun Sato's artistic growth has been really impressive. If he can just improve those spins further, I think that by the Olympic season he could rival other skaters who are the full package like Yuma and Adam. The material Guillaume is giving him is really refreshing and a nice change from Lori, Shae-Lynn, Benoit, David, and Misha.
I love these gymnastics discussion, look forward to this every 4 years.
Hey friend!
Another gem from Moscow Sports Day - Alina Zagitova's performance with a spiral-bound notebook is not to be missed
Ilia has got to get a real choreographer who'll stand up to his team AND actually give him programs to make him grow artistically. This is the same as the past 2 years! Shae Lynn is great for skaters who already have an established style, not for transitioning someone to artistry. She never emphasizes the nice positions that Ilia can actually hit, she just throws them away and gives him the same choreo that she gives everyone! That's not what he needs. I can't believe I'm saying this, but if they don't want Sandra or Lori (which is crazy, as they make skaters look their best), Benoit would be better! 🤷♀️
The one thing Mykayla did that was good was she brought the gymternet together. For YEARS it was always all about Simone and how she’s the GOAT and no one else really mattered no matter what they did. Now, the athletes alongside Simone are getting the respect they deserve. THIS ISNT SIMONES FAULT…it is media and audience fault. Putting so much notoriety and attention on one person and making only what they do matters is a problem. I think Mykayla made the gymternet realize the disrespect the other girls were getting.
Re: doping and track and field - I am in the track and field world and I can attest that there have been doping scandals (proven) from the high school level, to the masters (40+) level. The 70-74 male record holder for some track distances in the US was just busted for doping with SEVERAL performance enhancing drugs, and just accepted a ban...It's definitely a problem that is pervasive, and not one that is exclusive to russia. The difference is the state sponsored doping system in russia, vs individual motives in the U.S. and other countries...
Thanks again for the great insights Dave and Nolan! I am so pumped for Nolan's daughter this year, great program choices. Also rooting for Kimmy as well - agree that she could have a big year!!
Mykyla tried to use her past trauma as a get out of jail card like in Monopoly
She seems totally deranged and was basically advocating for an abusive system over one where the safety and mental health of the athletes has put first
If anyone can make that comeback, it would be Sasha. She's been out of competition for a while and she has an overrotated triple lutz, I'm sure getting at least her quad salchow back won't be a problem, and hoping her quad lutz as well. As for her moving back to Eteri, I think she probably recognizes that it's probably not the best move longevity wise, but if the Eteri bonus still exists, she might move back during the Olympic season
Does Sasha think she will be going to the Olympics? Even if the Russians are let back in, they will likely only have 1 spot. And after 2022, there will not be any Eteri bonus while the world is watching.
I think it’s unfortunate that with sports like gymnastics and ice skating, the push is for bigger and bigger skills. And often, people don’t appreciate the performance and overall skill required if a single or few skills aren’t presented.
There were two busses on Simone's tour. Mikayla was not on Simone and Jordan's bus.
I thought you were going to say, "There were two busses. One with Mykayla and one with everybody else." 💀
@@thesovgc so Mikayla shared who was on each bus and it was clear that all the gymnasts that Simone was/is close to IRL were on one bus and there was the other bus with Mikayla and a few other gymnasts.
It will be interesting to see if Sasha can get herself back into competition ready-shape. It would be a 1st for an Eteri skater (I don't count Kostornaia bc she's a Michael Phelps/Simone Biles level genetic freak. You could not design a skater with better body proportions.)
She also didn't learn her jumps from Eteri, iirc. So that probably helped
The whole Corey Circelli thing just seemed not well thought out. On one hand, Canada just doesn’t do enough to get their skaters international competition opportunities, so it’s understandable that one would consider switching if they could. However, when you’re not even winning in Canada & move to a country with a more talented & deeper field, you’re not getting out of Italy either. He would have better off trying the UK if it is an option for his passport or putting on the effort to win in Canada & becoming the one skater they send anywhere in each discipline.
Yeah, it made no sense to anyone! The only thing I could think that he was looking for was motivation in a deeper field but at the end of the day of you don't have enough motivation yourself to skate good enough to land on a Canadian podium, you have a technical issue or need some sports therapy.
I’ve always had compassion for Trusova. She is young so she probably doesn’t see how she was used by her coaches to prop up the other skaters in the camp. It’s “look at all these quads and she is 3rd best on our team.” The physicality of what she did in her teens will catch up in about ten years.
Ilia’s NF exhibition program did numbers on TikTok 🤷🏻♀️ people like it. I also think his skating looks much better when he skates to something he likes. I liked his old Billie Eilish exhibition too.
How unkind to say that about Jade Carey...she is so talented and seems very sweet.
Nolan is a great stand-in for Jonathan! Great discussion on the Russian skaters.
Do you know where Jonathan is ? 🥲
He is taking some time off.
Completely agree with you Dave on the Elvis Stojko style of skating coming back to men's discipline. I half expect Malinin to skate to "It's a man's world".
Offending the Simone fans and the Swifties in one go! 😂 The opening bars of her floor routine are a Taylor song.
When I see Biles floor routines, I always think I wish the floor routines were more like the men. Music selection and dance are not her strong suit. If she didn't have difficulty in her tumbling, she would score so low.
I’m aware. It doesn’t make it musical.
@@iamsoverybored878I disagree. Gymnasts who have such difficulty in their tumbling tend to have simpler choreography and dance because of energy expenditure. If her difficulty value was lower, she would probably put more into the choreography.
@Tiger-cm1qc Or at least pick more variety of music.
Really liked Yuma's short program but agree the music was not what i was hoping for but still better that Believer lol maybe an unpopular opinion but i miss something like his Vocussion or Fate programs or the Tucker or When you are smiling style
“Jade Carey who has the personality of wallpaper” 😭😭😭😭 did my girl dirty
Sorry! 😂😅
No lies detected though
That comment was dead on and you could just tell Dave wanted to applaud Nolan for saying exactly what he was thinking lol Same thought ran through my head before he said it lol great pairing
Thanks for the interesting talks as usual ( tho I don’t know a thing about US Gymnastics😅)
Dave, I wish you’d invite Alissa to hear her experience in being a coach with Kurt at the National Training Camp in Japan last weekend.
No offense to Nolan, and I think he's very on point with his knowledge and critique. I just miss Jonathan!
He will be back. He was burned out and needed some time off.
@TheSkatingLesson Understood, we ALL need a break, that's for sure. Thank you!
@@TheSkatingLesson Thank you for posting that he will be back, I sure miss him and have been wondering where he is. Jonathan is great and he adds some very interesting perspective and I was impressed by how prepared he always was.
This is a backhanded slight to the guest on the show.
@@RyanHigs-k5y grow up
Thank you for pointing out Myk’s constant complaining on her tour vlogs. Sometimes I think her maturity stalled out around age 14. One could hope that getting married and having a child would help that, but it doesn’t appear so.
So Simone's floor music starts with Taylor Swift's "... Are you ready for it?" Which is perfect on many levels.
First, she ends that portion with the tumbling pass everyone is waiting to see.
Second, it's the opening song of the reputation album. That particular album has that snake theme because it was a response to the whole Kim releasing the little bit of the phone call after Taylor took issues with being called b and Kanye taking credit for her fame in that song. Simone is now coming back after being called a quitter and such after the last Olympics.
I will say that in the field of floor musics that have some personality, I wish the rest of her floor routine music wasn't just another stock song
"just another stock song" and it's beyoncé.... let's be serious for a minute lol. and the music cut is objectively bad in terms of structure for 90 seconds of tumbling with choreo between passes.
@@michelledegeorge5708 after Taylor, Simone's sounds like that stock gymnastics floor music just like she uses every year.
When compared to Jordan Chile's use of Beyonce, Helzy Rivera's use of Pentatonix, Suni Lee's use of Lindsey Sterling, and Jade Carey using NCAA's unofficial anthem (even though I hate it, I get why it's significant for her); Simone's music just sounds stock.
@@ckilbarger01wait, Jade Carey is using a White Stripes song. Was that purchased to become an NCAA anthem? Not trying to be argumentative. Jack white is my favorite musical artist so I was so excited she was using his compositing. I’m confused that it is being referred to as an ncaa anthem. Maybe l’m misunderstanding. Thanks!
@@CindyLouwho-my1gs NCAA teams of all sorts use that song ALL THE TIME. It's very popularly used while teams are being introduced. A lot of pep bands learn that main tune to use like they use the Hey Song.
I don't know if NCAA has officially made it a thing but if you go to literally any college sporting event, you will hear it.
How come no one ever talks about how awful Isabeau's jump take-offs are? When did it become acceptable to lean so far forward you are parallel to the ice when you jump? And the lack of speed? 🤦🏻♀️ I would love to hear a discussion about that from someone. I'm excited for the future, but that technique just looks weird.
We have discussed her jumps so many times.
Gymnastics is on a journey to be more artistic. Next quad the judging will be even more harsh on lack of artistry. Simone isn't the most expressive gymnast but granted a lot of her skills are so difficult that a lot of the time she's just worried about staying alive. I will cut her some slack for that. I'm a huge Simone fan, I also love more artistic gymnasts such as Melanie and Suni. Jade is a natural introvert, but she is trying!!!! I appreciated the thought that went into the discussion of gymnastics even though I didn't agree with everything, I appreciated the thought that went into it and the interesting discussion. Keep up the good work! I feel like I am a level-headed Simone fan, but I could be wrong lol. I just love watching gymnastics period.
Technical comment here: Dave, you seem to rely on the computer microphone and your voice is distant with a bit of an echo. Nolan seems to be closer to the mic, and his voice is much louder. This imbalance makes it very difficult to hear without constantly adjusting my sound. Cheers.
Will work on it.
Honestly I never was a Trusova fan since she really is missing artistry but she is a good jumper
Guaranteed that neither Mai Mihara or any other Japanese female skater is happy when Kaori wins. They all realize that she has been the favorite of the Japanese Fed from her debut, even over Rika when Rika was healthy, which made zero sense since Kaori had no chance to compete with the Russians, unlike Rika. Logically they should have put their full support behind Rika at that time. But with Rika injured and the Russians banned, the dubious strategy hit the jackpot. Lol
I seriously don’t know where you’re getting this from. Oh, you’ve talked to Mai and all other Japanese female skaters and they expressed their unhappiness about Kaori winning? Okay.
Except it’s a far stretch from things we witness here in Japan; Kaori is genuinely such a cheerful kind caring person. In the off season camps and shows, she and Kazuki always cheer up the mood, works as translators between coaches and skaters, spearheads activities, and the skaters adore her. You can find plenty of articles describing as such and spectators in the camp also witnessed it.
@@mayamae55 I didn't say they don't like her. I said as competitive athletes they don't like losing to her, especially when its not a level playing field,and pretty much never has been. I realize that's the way this sport works under the ISU, but they are human beings regardless of how nice they may appear.
Totally. I do think it's a shame that Mai hasn't managed to get a Worlds medal. The year she won the GPF, she was a clear favorite, but then she bombed the free program and post-injury, I question whether she can get that momentum back. I have a feeling that Hana and Mone will go to the Olympics alongside Kaori. We can never underestimate Mie Hamada... Mai, Rinka, Rion, and Wakaba all have outside chances, though.
@@zackwilson8701 You can see by the scoring lately that JSF wants to move on to some new blood. They never liked Wakaba anyway, so they will try to bury her this season.
@@joeyartk agreed!
I'd say Simone's relatable in the sense that mental health doesn't get enough support, and she's becoming more and more open about it. Young girls also see a new path to support instead of abuse thanks to Simone and the other N*ssar victims. I hope people leave her husband alone and take the baton to back non-athletes going through universal things Simone's talked about. A general level of empathy and prioritizing.
Raffaele Francesco Zich is the one boy Corey Circelli is against with and I truly believe Raffaele is better in both PCS and jumps, he is a complete skater, such a pleasure to watch. If he will start landing his jumps with consistence, Raffaele is gonna be a threat even for the other Italian men. But he is still very young, he has time😊
Love to see Nolan back! Can’t wait to watch ❤
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Trusova was a jumper with limited skills otherwise. Sorry, not sorry.
Her artistry started to improve under Plushenko. But she'd drop it all under pressure, like she did at the Olympics.
And a bad sport
@@thesovgc She was traumatized by Eteri. All 3 were.
@@etherealtb6021 Anya was always a class act, traumatized or not. I appreciate a well-mannered skater.
@@thesovgc Or a robot? That said, Anya was the only grown up on that team. Not ONE of the three coaches there was with her to congratulate her! Disgusting! I'm glad Trusova chewed Eteri out!
Love Nolan. He is so sweet yet shady😂
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Biased opinion (I’m Italian): Vanessa Ferrari’s floor routine in Tokyo and THE MUSIC was a gift to sport fans in general. But I guess having that sort of music for such a different kind of gymnastic style can make a difference. A judge should not take that opinion on twitter tho
I feel you didn't quite understand the meat contamination of the swimmers in the hotel case, and how low the level was, plus China informed WADA about it, and it was fully investigated before the Olympics.
You forgot about skinner and the monkey retweets
Trusova and Skating Quality are 2 things that do NOT go together.
Wow. How disgusting that all those Chinese swimmers got a way with it and the entire world came together to roast a 15 yr old Russian girl. That’s intolerable, but thx for the information! ❤
To be fair, the information about the Chinese swimmers was hidden for almost 3 years and wasn’t revealed at an Olympic Games.
@@TheSkatingLessonKamila’s information was also hidden up until the next day team event was over. Because some people benefit from post competition medal redistribution. Not clean games itself.
Simone runs through her routines like she's doing chores. The skills are outstanding and demand respect, but the performance is not there. Her gymnastics is too sterile. Watching Andrade on floor shows what Biles is missing.
Although true, there’s no reason for her to work on her performance. She doesn’t need it. It doesn’t appear that gymnastics cares at all about audience appeal or artistic impression. It seems to make more of a difference in brand deals for the average gymnastic. She’s not struggling got brand deals either.
Simone seems to be a quieter and more intense athlete who lets her tough routines speak for her rather than rehearst emotions. You could see real concerned emotions in her face before the second balance beam performance were thinks did not go as cleanly as she could wished. One could tell she felt off. I would hardly call her work sterile. Intense and focused are words I would use.
@@granttwilliam Hey Becca is a delight! 😍
I love watching Simone!!! This past week Theo Hernandez called Cristiano Ronaldo not just an example but a refernce point for all of football. Simone Biles is the reference point for what great gymnastics is and what will have to be surpassed. Anytime she does a tumbling pass or a vault, I still scream in amazement and she is great on beam and has improved on bars. Knowing that she's always going to win is something that I think everybody in this era of gymnastics has accepted and so we kind of just look forward to seeing how well she does and it's always a surprise when someone does beat her. On individual apparatus we can see some of the other girls really stepping up their difficulty and that is because of Simone...so then we wait to see who will finish second or third. She has supported so many other girls in their pursuits and totally elevated the sport to new heights. She still excites me with her longevity and continued desire ro improve.
Tiana had the best music hands down.
I like that we are watching all sports
As a Michelle fan, Nolan can shade Tara all he wants :)
😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😂 Tara does never shutup during commentating because she is always defending the technical skaters with bad skating skills which is really a defense of her own ugly skating.about. Her and that effing ugly pink and later blue rainbow dress. Michelle, Mao, Yuna and Sasha were in a different world. And she had a plantation wedding like that guy pointed out
OMFG stop using "ULTRA C" for skating. its not a skating term it has zero meaning in the ISU
I'm missing Jonathan's expertise about music, as well as his discerning taste. And I like Alissa's knowledge about skating skills and jump technique. Dave, Jonathan and Alissa together would be the perfect trio, imo.
Thanks for watching.
@TheSkatingLesson 😂😂😂
@@thesovgc 😂
Would love to see you get on the show, Evan, since you are so opinionated.
Sasha saw one of her nemeses get silver & she said, 'Oh, hell no.'
I do not know, if it is such a good idea (Trusova). Can she be better then the younger girls?
Simone has been through alot! Just because you don’t connect with her, many people do! She has overcome so much, from when she was little until now. Nolan, to use your words nobody cares what you think about Simone!
Hi Jules,
Thanks for watching. I am not doubting the fact that people enjoy Simone and not undermining her accomplishments or tribulations. I shared that I personally do not connect with her. That is my opinion and what I chose to share. You're more than welcome to not agree with me. Hope you have a great day.
@@npcarneywell said Nolan. And totally relatable
I’m Team Nolan on this one 💁🏼♀️
@@npcarneythank you for being honest. The Simone Stans are no joke. Very brave of you! 🙏
@@reneepeters3045 hopefully later this month ❤️
Where can we see Nolan’s blog or anything? Twitter was mentioned
You didn't explain what MaKayla did or said wrong! I hadn't heard prior about it. 🤔
she spoke her truth and 95% of people CHOSE to take it out of context BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO.
@@SonOfAGun1814 Can I see her doing this on CZcams?
@@janetjohnson7279 She removed all the videos-I did watch her live streams of the trials and boy does she not like Leanne Wong(who was in 1st place for a lot of the competition)just kept going on about how she was so much better and didn't think Leann was any good etc. Cringy. If you claim SA and physical/mental abuse make a better athlete it's a big problem(just ask Kaitlyn Ohashi about it and how she quit elite-she beat Simone, she was that amazing)
Well she posted a watch party on her you tube channel during Olympic trials where she sort of live commentated/reacted to the event. Then a couple days later she posted another video on her you tube channel which was her summary/ overall thoughts, and that’s where she really stuck her foot in her mouth. She later had to delete that video. I will say I watched them both before they went viral and there was definitely some things taken out of context but she definitely showed a real lack of awareness and said offensive things. Like the biggest offending comments were basically that “aside from Simone there’s not much depth and talent in USAG anymore” and that she couldn’t believe someone could fall twice and still come in second (Suni). Also that since the regime change and since Marta left there is a lack of work ethic, and that girls are lazy and stand around and smart off to their coaches and “because of safe sport” coaches are “afraid to say anything anymore.” Commented that she could have made the Olympic team. It kind of went on and on, Lol. Then it absolutely blew up and all the girls started unfollowing her and she posted a weak apology saying “seems like you all misinterpreted me.” Then after it kept getting worse with big names weighing in, she finally released a more PR formal apology. Edit: guessing videos were taken down from you tube but clips still circulating on twitter for sure.
@@embeth446 Thanks for the information! 😊
I really like Simone’s music because it’s her “reputation era”, she’s coming back after all that messsss
However I wish the rest of the music was diff
I don’t connect with Simone’s gymnastics either. Achievements wise no doubt she’s the greatest but I wouldn’t go back and watch any of her routines🥺
100% agree
I think it’s the overall change in gymnastics. It’s not nearly as pretty or artistic as it used to be. I miss the flexibility and toe point and dance and cool shapes they used to make. At least Simone brings the amazing skills but I miss the days of artistry. They all look exactly the same now.
@@embeth446Simone has a toe point and she has finished hands it's just that she's 4 ft 8 and will not create long lines but there are so many gymnasts who still have the bloody lines so I'm not sure what you're talking about
Why is it no one can get Kimmy Repond to jump UP? So tired of her tiny jumps.
She’s very tall and super thin, i’m not sure if she’s capable of jumping higher at the moment. it might require specific power and weight training to improve
@@susanelliott8577 she just needs to bend her knees to vault & get height. Idk, Gracie Gold, Emily Hughes, Carolina Kostner, Alexia Paganini, Livia Kaiser are the same height and they have bigger jumps 🤷♀️
Thanks.
You're welcome
DAVE!!!! IS THIS TRUE, is Kostornaia leaving Russia & returning to Singles skating?????? I would be freaking ecstatic!
Who? What? Where?
My hot take…the thing that annoys me the most about Mck is how she always calls women athletes “girls”.
But, she is the 🐐.
Mykayla said that she could have a comeback during the time she was tweeting her bizarre comments.
There's some great orchestration in Skinny
Love trusova!
I always feel some kind of left out way when this show starts talking gymnastics.
Don't feel left out, you should come and join us. I'm just like Dave like I grew up loving figure skating and gymnastics those were the two sports in both Olympics that were artistic and so technically difficult. When you love one, the other just naturally follows. In the fall and winter it was always figure skating competitions I used to watch and then in the spring and summer it was always gymnastic competition that used to dominate a lot of television and would be watched kind of before and after basketball on the weekends you know but I hope you watch the Olympics and appreciate how great gymnastics is just like figure skating
@@ArohaStill You are so sweet! I actually meant I feel left out because I was a gymnast for 18 years. I've also been a coach, choreographer, and started to take judging courses.
I actually know gym way better than I know skating. So when the show starts talking E scores, Nabievas, Dragulescus, and shoulder angles...I get to chomping at my bit to give all my 2 cents. I really need to start doing my own videos so I'm not living vicariously through Dave's hard work.
Simone has been the entire olympics in america for the past three quads. Once she leaves, olympics in america will start to die imo. The athletes in the other sports are not stars enough in the battle against evolving media except for maybe a few track women.
@@SonOfAGun1814woke…try not to give away yourself so easily with that word choice.
Simone is definitely the Marquee athlete and a lot of people are obviously looking forward to the track and field teams in the States because they are always so good and especially the women this year are amazing and everyone wants to see Richardson's comeback after that unfortunate mistake she made. Swimming is always a fun watch. There is a lot to look forward to but there are just so many other athletic events going on and frankly people don't sit around their TVs anymore to watch big sporting events like the Olympics. Even I have been frustrated with the Olympics due to the poor judging and things like figure skating and the fact that there was no real repercussions for a nation that set up their own drug lab to circumvent a national doping program but clearly it's not just the Olympics that seem not to care about this issue because of what happened in Japan with the Chinese swimmers like wow WADA needs to be dismantled and rebuilt with more safeguards.
Who doesn’t love Simone Biles right. But yes I have to agree with you both. That music just doesn’t do it 😕 it just seems to get a little more 👎each year…I do admit though her music last year (2023) was the best she ever had!
As always Dave you never disappoint with the tea 😂 love you!❤
i love simone, her routine, & her music, so there x
Love Nolan so much!
I remember the message boards!!!!
Looks like it's back to calling her Yourkayla.
Layout arabian to arabesque.....Layout full to one leg into pirouette....
I agree, Simone is talented but I don't find her gymnastics engaging, and I don't find her artistic. Andrade's fx is everything and more compared to Biles' the whole sport is the simone show (even the mens competition) but other athletes have decided to show up
I would love to see Trusova back competing, the sport needs more personalities and 'narratives' to follow in order to grow especially if Russia is allowed in the next olympics - would be better also if she stayed with Plushenko
Gina Chiles’ self awareness is less than Mykayla Skinner’s. Say what you want about what Mykayla said about the 2024 Olympians…but at least she didn’t commit crimes.
I agree with Nolan’s feelings on Simone and the reason for how I feel is that Simone is incomparable on difficulty but with the exception of amplitude, is so-so on execution. I also think that Simone has developed a Fanyu because people criticized her for the wrong thing. She should be celebrated for taking care of her mental health in Tokyo but also she doesn’t have the line or grace as Suni or the Chinese. I resent the talk about Simone carrying this team on her back and it does her no favors
That Guy needs to shut up about Simone
He is wrong about Jade as well.
Simon is to women’s gymnastics as Illia is to men’s skating - started tying right before this came up in your chat.
Since ilia is a man, ilia would need a quint to match simone. If trusova had a quad axel triple toe combo, shed be closer to simone
Trusova is gone&done -only naive people would like to believe in her “comeback” -so as -non of those tutberidze poppers
Well, Dave has found someone who is easily persuaded and as low in the gutter as he is. Jonathan classed things up a bit. He’s missed.
Wow, what a nasty comment. Would love for you to point out where they're being "low in the gutter". You may be hiding behind a screen, but these people can all see the hateful message you're sending to people doing this video for free. If you don't like it, don't watch.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheSkatingLesson unfortunately you are the only game in town.
@@RyanHigs-k5y no! I like my way better. He should and does know how rotten he is.
@@RyanHigs-k5y also thank you for going to read all the comments. I appreciate you.
Mykayla is an excellent gymnast, she just said really stupid things. She would never have competed on the level that she did. Of course I am not a fan of what she has said...
This is so catty overall....
Have you watched the show before? 😆
I agree about the assessments about the Russian skaters. Howevrer, there isn't much talent out there right now. There is a lack of "specialness" even with Kaori, Loena the rst of the Japanese, Americans and Belgium. Good skaters but none of them are special. They aren't even a Maria butyrskaya. They are just pretty good skaters. None of wonderful personalities or spectacular skills like Cohen, Kwan or tech skaters like the Russians of the past.
Mao, Jia and Mone are special.
In 2014, when I first kind of became aware of Megan Duhamel, and there was that move in the SP where Eric pulls her through his legs and then yanks her up and back toward him and she balls up mid air so she looks like this scrappy thick-necked cannon ball flying into his chest...all I could think was that Kerri Strug was somehow a Canadian pairs skater. I think they look a lot alike. Is Megan Jewish? I think there's legit some genetic similarities there.
Not Jewish
Jonathan became kinda pearl clutching and humorless through the years, but this new guy is beyond boring
Although I don’t agree with you, I understand what you are saying. I feel that the listeners to this show, well a portion of the listeners, became very outspoken and unrelenting. I’m saying this as an observer. I think if we have less of these style comments, and allow them to be more of themselves, that would come back in time.
I know I wouldn’t want to say all of my opinions and make jokes on the internet with the amount of negative comments they receive. It’s one thing not to please everyone, as most people expect that. When it becomes a situation where anything, literally anything that is said, any guest that is brought on, etc. sparks negativity, hate comments and anything that’s just not a constructive comment, I’d be out. It would steal the joy away from making such a show, as well as make me hate my sport and the time spent researching for the show.
Again, I have no idea if this is how they feel. It’s just something I can imagine I’d feel and others would feel in similar circumstances.
Both of your comments are just nasty. Why would anyone want to come back to this show if all they see are comments like yours.
"Hetero-normative?" Is there something "not" normal about a heterosexual man being in figure skating? How about just saying you don't like Ilia's programs and leaving the heterophobia out of it? However Ilia chooses to express himself artistically on the ice is fine as long as whatever style he chooses is well done.
I am loving the term 'heterophobia' and plan on using it as often as possible. Thank you.
I hope that one day, we can one day celebrate straight pride together.
@@TheSkatingLesson It's a real thing. Check it out in the Merriam-Webster dictionary: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against heterosexual people.
@@TheSkatingLesson You'll be waiting a LONG time because straight people don't get parades to celebrate who they are.
@@TheSkatingLesson It's a real thing. You can check it out in the Merriam-Webster dictionary: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against heterosexual people.
A few things:
I am so grateful for TSL and Dave’s insights into the history and relationship between figure skating and gymnastics.
In regards to Simone’s FX - I wish I could find the video of this male dancer performing Simone’s 2021 FX in a dance studio, because seeing it on longer limbs shows that her choreography is much more elegant than people think because they are seeing it on a shorter person. I think Milan’s choreo for this routine is exquisite. It has an enormous range of variety and style.
In regards to Myk - I find fighting fire with fire to actually feed a hidden dragon in the gymnastics world, which is the demonization of people for not having XYZ physical qualities. (ie - not having 180° splits, not having cashew foot point, bad back flexibility, etc.) Those technical qualities, while lovely and goals to strive for, do not make up the whole of a gymnast. Do I condone what Myk said? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Pelting her back with non-stop shredding of her technique makes people who might struggle with similar things feel quite horrible about themselves, their gymnastics and their joy. It’s empty and beneath the conversation.
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With regards to choreography, I think someone needs to choreograph to the person. While it is interesting to see choreography on a taller person, it is the job of the choreographer to make the person in front of them look good.
As for Skinner, I do think the sport took a turn in a specific direction that I don’t personally agree (yet understand) with skills over technique, artistry, etc. Skinner chose difficulty over execution at every turn, which was fine as an elite - one could debate whether or not the judges should have been more critical or less critical. I was referencing how she would tweet rather aggressively about her own scoring. On one occasion, she said she had stuck X number of vaults only to not get a 10. She opened the door to that conversation and one could argue she was ignorant of her own faults or somewhat delusional. At one meet, she walked off the floor after not receiving a 10.
@@TheSkatingLesson I totally get what you mean re: choreographing for the performer - I just happen to think this routine is one of her best and suits her really well. Taking the gymnasts out of the equation completely, I think there is more choreography and detail in Simone's routine versus Suni's, but the untrained eye might think Suni's choreo is superior because her lines, leaps and technique do all the work. (I think her 2022 Auburn FX was the best choreo for her).
Regarding Myk - I'm not necessarily speaking to your comments, but more so the comments of the internet at large which I find problematic.