Tio, our Maori document is called Te Tiriti 3 paragraphs long, the pakeha version is called the treaty. So much controversy re: 1840 Treaty, should be scrapped & let's go back to the original document He Whakaputanga 1835 signed by the King.
DOI Article 4, "...... they entreat that he (The King) will continue to be the parent of their infant State, and that he will become it's protector from all attempts upon its Independence". The DOI 1835 was the forerunner to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, has a flag to symbolize Tribal Rights to trade as Independent Nations. Has been ignored for years by the NZ parliament and the education system.
Helen Clark and other members of the NZ parliament stated on National Televison that they do not have a written constitution. For those who claim that they have no written Constitution are those who claim that they are in fact, lawless......
1835 was a gift from the christians recognized by king William and ratified as a legally binding document from the house of Lords and the house of Commons 1840 are the principals of 1835 known in it true identity as the doctrine of discovery it is very important to use it true tittle so there can be no discrepancy and Maori can now draw in the pop as a witness to the doctrine of discovery as well as Charles the king of England who can also verify that the 1840 document is not just the principals to 1835, it is also a peace treaty between Maori and also an invitation to pakeha to manage our assets untill we are no longer in our infant state, to prove to the world that we are no longer in our infant state WE MUST AMEND 1835. THANKS Ko Pomare ahau
Everyone in nz today has mixed ancestry many who identify as pakeha have maori ancestors most who identify as maori have british ancestry You cannot go back 200 yrs ago. The world is a much better place now people can travel freely live longer and have more choices in their lives lets move on
TOW Article 1, "The Chiefs of the Confederation and the Chiefs all also who have not entered that Confederation give also to the Queen of England for the Government over all their Land". Article 2 "The Queen of England arranges and agrees to give to the Chiefs and the Sub-Tribes of the Māori People of NZ the Unqualified Exercise of their Chieftainship over their Lands, their Villages and over all Treasures............"
"Whose title to the soil and to the Sovereignty of NZ is indisputable and has been solemnly recognized by the British Government" And " ... the admission of their Rights.... is binding on British Crown. Indeed, it was predicted in the Treaty that there would be need to protect a numerous and inoffensive people from Her Majesty's subjects of bad or doubtful character whom,...
Te Tiriti o Waitangi (TOW) 1840 (Non-Territorial) is just an amendment to the DOI. On the 6th of February 1840 prior to the signing of the TOW, the Chiefs, exercising their powers under Article 2 of the DOI, gave to the Queen these people, they ceded sovereignty over the British subjects to the Queen of England, also noted in Articles 1 & 2 of the TOW
The Streets of Tears Ceremony.Te Tiriti O Waitangi.he Whakaputanga is a lithograph facsimile doctrid.portwaikato is where The Poineer Gun boat n other Canon boats entered waikato River n blasted every bend in the river.Robert Maunsell infiltrated maori whanu/family through his religion.n recon his info bk to British soldiers.
.... So as to avert continuance of such evil consequences of such a lawless state; as expressed by Lord Normanby with consideration to the findings of Westminster Parliament House of Commons inquiry of 1836-1839 that; "Māori must not be permitted to enter into any contracts in which they might be the ignorant and unintentional authors of injuries to themselves", The Crown of England entered into a Treaty of Protection with the People Māori.
David Lange said this in 1980. "The Treaty of Waitangi was forged in a time when categories mattered, we don't live in that world anymore." In 1973 the UK abandoned NZ for the EEC. NZ went broke overnight. Modernity died. The categories that Lange spoke about are the absolute moral categories of the Bible that are rooted in the Method of Antithesis in human reason process whereby intellectual certainty is guaranteed. It was not practiced consistent with these categories. In our current Postmodern Post-Christian day interpretation of anything is a matter for the individual. There is no universal truth, just what I think. Furthermore the Treaty ignored those that watch both signatories arrive.
The Declaration of Independence (DOI) 1835 of NZ is an International Declaration, recognizes the Sovereignty of the Independent Tribes of NZ. (Territorial). Article 1, We the Hereditary Chiefs and Heads of the Tribes of the Northern parts of NZ, being assembled at Waitangi, in the Bay of Islands. on this 28th day of October 1835....
... declare the Independence of our country, which is hereby Constituted and declared to be an Independent State, under the designation of the United Tribes of New Zealand. Article 2, All sovereign power and authority within the territories of the United Tribes of New Zealand is hereby declared to reside entirely and exclusively in......
Accordingly, with regards to terms of protection and representation, Her Majesty took up the role of Māori Trustee, over all the Lands of All the People Māori. The Preamble of TOW, to be very clear, continued Article 4 of the DOI, witnessed by British Resident James Busby in 1835, the first Constitutional Act of the State of Aotearoa.
... the hereditary chief's and heads of tribes in their collective capacity, who also declare that they will not permit any legislative authority separate from themselves in their collective capacity to exist, nor any function of government to be exercised within the said territories, unless by persons appointed by them in Congress assembled.
Things have changed since the treaty was signed. Land has come back to the tribes and money now what has the Maori,s that are in government done for their people?
.... having fled Her Majesty's penal settlements and, deserting their ships had, for the purpose of trade, resorted to the shores of NZ. And so, in consequence of the crime and outrage that such persons did inflict upon the Kingdom of Māori And, ..... (Missing words below) "of Protection with the People Māori"
Such a document as the treaty is meaningless when approached by individual clauses. It is same as other contracts in that the various clauses make up a whole . I have struggled so often over the years with union members and employers trying to use an individual clause to represent the whole, this is sometimes done in innocence but often with a more sinister intent. As far as the treaty is concerned Maoridom ceded any sovereignty for equality. The treaty was only ever going to offer that else the latter day colonists would not have come, people who were escaping the old class systems of Europe.
When did we cede anything? Like all colonial empires they lie, cheat and murder to get what they want. What happened to the maori chief's that didn't sign TOW? I certainly don't think our corrupt corporatocracy you call a government has any concern for the people. They had a coupe de'tat in 1986 and crowned themselves sovereign and this country has just gone with it. Nu Tereni government is the De jure Government of New Zealand and He Whakaputanga was not superceded or ceded by TOW and still holds significant power in our country and overseas.
1 minute in and you're already talking rubbish. The littlewood version is the one translated to maori. The 2 differences are the date 4th Feb. and maori inserted instead of people as the settlers were already citizens. Which makes the tribunal corrupt in their dealings, because the English version they have with forest and fisheries in it is fake. Maori ceded sovereignty.
Thats what you said? But its not what we meant. That's what you wanted. But its not what we wanted. You cling to this make belief idea that we did cede sovereignty through miscommunication of two different languages and meaning. Actions speak louder than words hence Hone Heke in 1845 disrespectfully and violently cut the british flag down to insult and terminate the treaty. It symbolizes firstly that he did not cede sovereignty and you do not have authority over us our culture and our land. Theres no miscommunication of cutting down the flag to insult your Queen Victoria and british millitarry meaning we did not cede sovereignty. This false idea of such is all you pakeha desperately have to hold and cling onto. Shameful!
Ok. What was on the mind of the British and what was on their heart for a Treaty with Maori in 1840. I see that it was to bring protection, Law and Order for all inhabitants of New Zealand. The British had to have Sovereignty so that they could bring "common Law". Then then had right to Govern this land. The problem as I see it is. That Maori now! have a different view of what the te tiriti and the English version say. For New Zealand "now" to move on, we need to come to a compromise. Otherwise we will always have a problem.
Law and order for all inhabitants 🤣🤣🤣 That’s a good one!!! So…. What part of Law and order involves oppressing and abusing Māori children? I’ll wait…⏰🥱🥱
It sounds good and fair bro but tbh, te tiriti gave Maori everything. They reserved and preserved their tino rangatiratanga and also got rights as British citizens under article 3. Te tiriti didn’t do much for British or settlers. Although they did soon after set up a government and excluded Maori from it. The govt they set up is illegal because it was never agreed to in te tiriti. Te tiriti only have kawanatanga which translates to governorship not government or governance. So we live in a deluded and convoluted world where the settlers rule and some Maori follow along with it to keep the peace and some even love thre world we now live in. But many are disenchanted and disenfranchised. Maori are searching for ways to live better in alignment with what their soul calls for, what their tupuna call for. Te tiriti allows us an avenue to leave this system and set up new system based around tikanga Maori but also probably some good aspects of the English system. Because it’s not all bad. I could go on but to conclude I reckon we use te tiriti to escape this illegal govt and start afresh.
It was to bring law and order to lawless greedy Pakeha that starting arriving to NZ thinking they had land they'd paid the thieving Wakefields. The Government is a fraudulent entity illegally operating on our shores because Pakeha outnumber Maori now. The road to equality is long and twisted but it will eventually occur.
DW_Kiwi NOW! He recons 😂😂😂 wash your filthy mouth out kid lol Maori didn’t need no scabby crusty riddled Bheads to control our land or people Y’all were meant to control your own alcoholic disease carrying convict trash people coming to these shores typical disrespectful Bheads foh
DW_Kiwi NOW! He recons 😂😂😂 wash your filthy mouth out kid lol Maori didn’t need no scabby crusty riddled Bheads to control our land or people Y’all were meant to control your own alcoholic disease carrying convict trash people coming to these shores typical disrespectful Bheads foh
Tio, our Maori document is called Te Tiriti 3 paragraphs long, the pakeha version is called the treaty. So much controversy re: 1840 Treaty, should be scrapped & let's go back to the original document He Whakaputanga 1835 signed by the King.
DOI Article 4, "...... they entreat that he (The King) will continue to be the parent of their infant State, and that he will become it's protector from all attempts upon its Independence". The DOI 1835 was the forerunner to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, has a flag to symbolize Tribal Rights to trade as Independent Nations. Has been ignored for years by the NZ parliament and the education system.
Helen Clark and other members of the NZ parliament stated on National Televison that they do not have a written constitution. For those who claim that they have no written Constitution are those who claim that they are in fact, lawless......
1835 was a gift from the christians recognized by king William and ratified as a legally binding document from the house of Lords and the house of Commons
1840 are the principals of 1835 known in it true identity as the doctrine of discovery it is very important to use it true tittle so there can be no discrepancy and Maori can now draw in the pop as a witness to the doctrine of discovery as well as Charles the king of England who can also verify that the 1840 document is not just the principals to 1835, it is also a peace treaty between Maori and also an invitation to pakeha to manage our assets untill we are no longer in our infant state, to prove to the world that we are no longer in our infant state WE MUST AMEND 1835.
THANKS
Ko Pomare ahau
Nice one Rob
Everyone in nz today has mixed ancestry many who identify as pakeha have maori ancestors most who identify as maori have british ancestry You cannot go back 200 yrs ago. The world is a much better place now people can travel freely live longer and have more choices in their lives lets move on
TOW Article 1, "The Chiefs of the Confederation and the Chiefs all also who have not entered that Confederation give also to the Queen of England for the Government over all their Land". Article 2 "The Queen of England arranges and agrees to give to the Chiefs and the Sub-Tribes of the Māori People of NZ the Unqualified Exercise of their Chieftainship over their Lands, their Villages and over all Treasures............"
The 'actual story' is but one Version.
"Whose title to the soil and to the Sovereignty of NZ is indisputable and has been solemnly recognized by the British Government" And " ... the admission of their Rights.... is binding on British Crown. Indeed, it was predicted in the Treaty that there would be need to protect a numerous and inoffensive people from Her Majesty's subjects of bad or doubtful character whom,...
Toitu He Whakaputanga 1835
Te Tiriti o Waitangi (TOW) 1840 (Non-Territorial) is just an amendment to the DOI. On the 6th of February 1840 prior to the signing of the TOW, the Chiefs, exercising their powers under Article 2 of the DOI, gave to the Queen these people, they ceded sovereignty over the British subjects to the Queen of England, also noted in Articles 1 & 2 of the TOW
The Streets of Tears Ceremony.Te Tiriti O Waitangi.he Whakaputanga is a lithograph facsimile doctrid.portwaikato is where The Poineer Gun boat n other Canon boats entered waikato River n blasted every bend in the river.Robert Maunsell infiltrated maori whanu/family through his religion.n recon his info bk to British soldiers.
.... So as to avert continuance of such evil consequences of such a lawless state; as expressed by Lord Normanby with consideration to the findings of Westminster Parliament House of Commons inquiry of 1836-1839 that; "Māori must not be permitted to enter into any contracts in which they might be the ignorant and unintentional authors of injuries to themselves", The Crown of England entered into a Treaty of Protection with the People Māori.
Who is this fulla?
Hes mean as.
David Lange said this in 1980. "The Treaty of Waitangi was forged in a time when categories mattered, we don't live in that world anymore." In 1973 the UK abandoned NZ for the EEC. NZ went broke overnight. Modernity died. The categories that Lange spoke about are the absolute moral categories of the Bible that are rooted in the Method of Antithesis in human reason process whereby intellectual certainty is guaranteed. It was not practiced consistent with these categories. In our current Postmodern Post-Christian day interpretation of anything is a matter for the individual. There is no universal truth, just what I think. Furthermore the Treaty ignored those that watch both signatories arrive.
The Declaration of Independence (DOI) 1835 of NZ is an International Declaration, recognizes the Sovereignty of the Independent Tribes of NZ. (Territorial).
Article 1, We the Hereditary Chiefs and Heads of the Tribes of the Northern parts of NZ, being assembled at Waitangi, in the Bay of Islands. on this 28th day of October 1835....
Tangata whenua first in line first in time, MAori last in line last in time
... declare the Independence of our country, which is hereby Constituted and declared to be an Independent State, under the designation of the United Tribes of New Zealand. Article 2, All sovereign power and authority within the territories of the United Tribes of New Zealand is hereby declared to reside entirely and exclusively in......
Accordingly, with regards to terms of protection and representation, Her Majesty took up the role of Māori Trustee, over all the Lands of All the People Māori. The Preamble of TOW, to be very clear, continued Article 4 of the DOI, witnessed by British Resident James Busby in 1835, the first Constitutional Act of the State of Aotearoa.
... the hereditary chief's and heads of tribes in their collective capacity, who also declare that they will not permit any legislative authority separate from themselves in their collective capacity to exist, nor any function of government to be exercised within the said territories, unless by persons appointed by them in Congress assembled.
Things have changed since the treaty was signed. Land has come back to the tribes and money now what has the Maori,s that are in government done for their people?
Approximately 1% of Maori land has been returned to Maori.
Returning 1% of Maori land is not anything to boast about
.... having fled Her Majesty's penal settlements and, deserting their ships had, for the purpose of trade, resorted to the shores of NZ. And so, in consequence of the crime and outrage that such persons did inflict upon the Kingdom of Māori And, ..... (Missing words below) "of Protection with the People Māori"
contra preferentem
contra ceptive👍
Such a document as the treaty is meaningless when approached by individual clauses. It is same as other contracts in that the various clauses make up a whole . I have struggled so often over the years with union members and employers trying to use an individual clause to represent the whole, this is sometimes done in innocence but often with a more sinister intent. As far as the treaty is concerned Maoridom ceded any sovereignty for equality. The treaty was only ever going to offer that else the latter day colonists would not have come, people who were escaping the old class systems of Europe.
When did we cede anything? Like all colonial empires they lie, cheat and murder to get what they want. What happened to the maori chief's that didn't sign TOW? I certainly don't think our corrupt corporatocracy you call a government has any concern for the people. They had a coupe de'tat in 1986 and crowned themselves sovereign and this country has just gone with it. Nu Tereni government is the De jure Government of New Zealand and He Whakaputanga was not superceded or ceded by TOW and still holds significant power in our country and overseas.
1 minute in and you're already talking rubbish. The littlewood version is the one translated to maori. The 2 differences are the date 4th Feb. and maori inserted instead of people as the settlers were already citizens. Which makes the tribunal corrupt in their dealings, because the English version they have with forest and fisheries in it is fake. Maori ceded sovereignty.
Thats what you said? But its not what we meant.
That's what you wanted. But its not what we wanted.
You cling to this make belief idea that we did cede sovereignty through miscommunication of two different languages and meaning.
Actions speak louder than words hence Hone Heke in 1845 disrespectfully and violently cut the british flag down to insult and terminate the treaty. It symbolizes firstly that he did not cede sovereignty and you do not have authority over us our culture and our land. Theres no miscommunication of cutting down the flag to insult your Queen Victoria and british millitarry meaning we did not cede sovereignty. This false idea of such is all you pakeha desperately have to hold and cling onto. Shameful!
Ok. What was on the mind of the British and what was on their heart for a Treaty with Maori in 1840. I see that it was to bring protection, Law and Order for all inhabitants of New Zealand. The British had to have Sovereignty so that they could bring "common Law". Then then had right to Govern this land.
The problem as I see it is. That Maori now! have a different view of what the te tiriti and the English version say. For New Zealand "now" to move on, we need to come to a compromise. Otherwise we will always have a problem.
Law and order for all inhabitants 🤣🤣🤣 That’s a good one!!! So…. What part of Law and order involves oppressing and abusing Māori children? I’ll wait…⏰🥱🥱
It sounds good and fair bro but tbh, te tiriti gave Maori everything. They reserved and preserved their tino rangatiratanga and also got rights as British citizens under article 3. Te tiriti didn’t do much for British or settlers. Although they did soon after set up a government and excluded Maori from it. The govt they set up is illegal because it was never agreed to in te tiriti. Te tiriti only have kawanatanga which translates to governorship not government or governance. So we live in a deluded and convoluted world where the settlers rule and some Maori follow along with it to keep the peace and some even love thre world we now live in. But many are disenchanted and disenfranchised. Maori are searching for ways to live better in alignment with what their soul calls for, what their tupuna call for. Te tiriti allows us an avenue to leave this system and set up new system based around tikanga Maori but also probably some good aspects of the English system. Because it’s not all bad. I could go on but to conclude I reckon we use te tiriti to escape this illegal govt and start afresh.
It was to bring law and order to lawless greedy Pakeha that starting arriving to NZ thinking they had land they'd paid the thieving Wakefields.
The Government is a fraudulent entity illegally operating on our shores because Pakeha outnumber Maori now.
The road to equality is long and twisted but it will eventually occur.
DW_Kiwi
NOW! He recons 😂😂😂 wash your filthy mouth out kid lol
Maori didn’t need no scabby crusty riddled Bheads to control our land or people
Y’all were meant to control your own alcoholic disease carrying convict trash people coming to these shores typical disrespectful Bheads foh
DW_Kiwi
NOW! He recons 😂😂😂 wash your filthy mouth out kid lol
Maori didn’t need no scabby crusty riddled Bheads to control our land or people
Y’all were meant to control your own alcoholic disease carrying convict trash people coming to these shores typical disrespectful Bheads foh
bleh
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