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- Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e19 · The Nth Degree
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Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e19 · The Nth Degree
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Borg: Unidentified technology. We will assimilate!
Scytherians: Oh, new friends!
Borg: We are Borg!
Scytherians: A unified-consiousness by technological enhancement.
Borg: We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own! Resistance is futile!
Scytherians: Mechanical reproductive growth by conquest. Fascinating!
I’m just surprised the Borg never went after the Binars.
@@michaelh2001 Probably didn't know of their existence.
@@aliren6118 They got the Enterprise databanks when Q chucked them into Borg space in 'Q Who'. They would be at least aware of their existence.
@@christiangilligan9186 They didn't get all of the Enterprise databanks. Only enough to know they could take on the Enterprise and consume their core later at their leisure.
@@michaelh2001 Damn what a bargin for the Borg. One drone to assimilate the Binar's central computer and they suddenly have billions of new drones.
And then all the information gained from first contact with the Cytherians was never talked about again.
sort of a big-lipped alligator moment
The final log entry of the episode explains why. The information is so advanced that it would take a very long time to understand it. I always got the impression that even the most basic bit of the knowledge is dependent upon prerequisite knowledge that even the Federation's top minds have yet to put into practice. Like showing a jet engine to Orville and Wilbur Wright before they figured out how to prototype the first aircraft. Or showing a Mentacan a Galaxy class starship and saying "You can do all this one day, too." They could even be given the complete schematics of the ship so they can see exactly how everything is put together, and it would still be centuries before thy are able to duplicate it.
But imagine the Federation a couple hundred years in the future where they've made those intervening technical leaps forward and can duplicate Barclay's subspace fold drive and warp drive has been all but phased out as a standard space travel mechanic.
@@Opnn8d1 would have been helpful for season 3 of Discovery
@@Opnn8d1 Q Jr did the fold drive with the Delta Flyer in Voyager.
@@HariSeldon913 Of course he did... He's a Q. But federation knowledge is a long way off from establishing Subspace Folding as a standard mode of travel. My guess is that the Galactic Alliance, which according to Enterprise will form in the distant future will allow, through the pooling of knowledge and resources, the fold drive to become standard, thus allowing the rest of the Milky Way to be explored, and after a few iterations, allow travel between galaxies.
The delivery of the Cytherian lines is just so well done. "Interrogative".
Picard: _Statingtheobviousive._
Anyone else get a laugh at Picard's annoyance at the end of this scene. He's like, "Couldn't you have just sent a greeting card?"
good lord didn't anybody here subscribe?
"We did. You couldn't read the message and blew it up with Photon torpedoes."
I got the impression that he was tickled pink. Such an amazing opportunity.
no
The way Riker was smiling at the end makes it look like he's going "were going to get laid my friend"
That was Riker's thought process in nearly every situation.
Riker is amused by the Cytherian while Picard is still in "you had no right to kidnap my ship" mode.
He’s gonna show them his famous Riker Maneuver!
You Americans always wanting to get laid, lol. I just love that phrase.
"They want to know us."
"Know us?"
"Biblically, sir."
It's rare that we got to see an encounter with a new species that didn't result in a fire fight. :) This is why Picard is out there - to seek out new life and learn about it. The result of Barclay's actions was refreshing. They have shared beans.
hI agree. It is SO refreshing & enjoyable to have what amounts to a pleasant/ "Happy" Ending with no need for violence. (well, except destroying the probe much earlier on)
I mean.. they could have at least put a "Free Candy" sign on the side of their white van before grabbing the crew off the street and throwing them in.
@@sharkdentures3247 Why would you go to war with A Race that can figure out Eistein Quantim Realtivity theory. BETTER TO CHILL OUT and exchange ideas to take back home.
Through knowledge we will know the world, and through beans, we will finally know ourselves.
Yet Worf, always ready to launch photon torpedoes was once again shot down by Picard in shooting a projection on the bridge. What would that accomplish anyway?
I always liked Riker’s reaction here. He could often look on the funny side of things when Picard would get a bit stuffy and officious, especially if he felt like he’d been mucked about.
Riker is in it for selfish reasons. He's about to get down with some alien ladies no one else in the Federation has seen before. His personal log is about to be filthy.
@@jamesf456 If the aliens have chairs, they won’t know what him them.
though, he had an interesting tone calling out Barclay for disconnecting, almost like trying to catch him in a lie he could write him up for
ofc he had just pirated the ship for a bit :-)
I like the touch where the Cytherian's got a chunk of crystal in his forehead, suggesting the light-beam-to-brain computer interface that Barclay cooked up is either 1) a result of whose device exactly enhanced his mind or 2) simply the logical and empirical future of benevolent, fast-as-thought human-computer interaction.
Riker was smiling because he knew Picard was finished. He wasn't going to win this argument. Rather he would spend the rest of the day on 10-forward chatting with ghost head...
3:03 Picard pushes the whole Barclay situation aside for the moment and, with some pleasure, assumes his duty as an ambassador for mankind. Love the change in his body language.
no matter how many times i see this episode/scene, the various faces the Cytherian gives cracks me up
He's like the grandpa everyone wishes they had.
I too am highly amused by his gloriously goofy facial expressions.
It's such a well-done relief of tension after the climax. He's such a good-natured guy, and, in a few short seconds of performance, you can really believe his people are the type whose curiosity and brilliance far outweigh their foresight as to the consequences of their actions for others.
Faces saying... obviously
Absolute joy and pure curiousity!
This actor's delighted yet wizened curiosity was such a stellar performance. I wanted to know everything about this species from this brief encounter.
It's his face that's "wizened," not his curiosity.
I loved the term "hierarchical collective command structure".
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@@rconger384 Wrong franchise for you.
Reg's "they want to know us" may be the sweetest line in the series. I love it.
That whole distortion effect with the crew stumbling about with the intense music is supposed to be so dramatic and yet all I can think of is
"NOoo! BelaAay ThAt PHASER ORDERRR!!"
Good ol star trek the motion picture.
pHOTon torpEEdo AWAY
His borg encounter must have been a barrel of laughs.
That's how he got that cool hologram in his forehead.
Would have been funny if Picard mentioned the Borg and the Cytherian was like: "Oh yes!" and his head attained a Borg costume, for playful illustration.
And with this trip, the Enterprise got its second taste of Ludicrous Speed.
A shame they didn't capitalize on that. Voyager would have been home in like 20 minutes. :P
Barkley's brilliance did manage to establish contact with Voyager.
Going to plaid may not be the best idea.
Voyager would have been splattered across the Quadrant in 20 seconds, given their track record with experimental drives.
Starfleet: How did you get to the Galactic Core and back so fast?
Picard: Warp 986, obviously! Why do you ask? 😀
😂😂😂😂
The only problem I had with this episode was the “exchange of knowledge”… cause if that’s an exchange, the federation would have taken a massive leap forward in tech that I don’t think we see
Obviously the meta explanation is that the writers forgot, but the in-universe explanation could simply be that not enough time has passed for the Federation's scientists to analyze, utilize, and implement the new knowledge. Years or perhaps decades to decipher and understand, and further decades to develop useable technology. Even the latter Trek series aren't far enough in the future to benefit from this meeting in that case.
Why would they exchange superior knowledge? Could be extremely dangerous. Starfleet would understand this very well. Key term prime directive.
Not all knowledge is technological
Maybe this is where Starfleet got knowledge of Coaxial Warp, they just hadn't perfected it.
Exchange of knowledge just means they take about each other
I love the subtle "hmm" from the Cytherian at 2:38. Never noticed it until now.
"Interogative?" That has to be one of my favorite lines ever 🤣
Wife: "Where have you been this late?"
You: "Hmmmm, interrogative."
Good luck if you are not vastly superior in means. 😆 She will not bring you home to study you.
Ensign: Unless something's wrong with our sensors, sir, we're almost 30,000 lightyears from where we were
Captain Janeway: BRUH!!!!
I think Janeway would have been far more gobsmacked by magic mushrooms allowing Pike to just casually jump almost up to the Beta / Delta Quadrant boundary over a century before. But then she probably wouldn't have any way of learning about silly retcons like that.
So, this race does make an appearance in a Beta canon book, titled 'Takedown' where another of this Cytherian's race gives seven members of different factions the higher state that Barclay has to perform certain tasks for them. It's an interesting read. This may be vague, but I'm trying to avoid spoilers.
Thanks.
0:10 Picard ascends like an elevator
All of the episodes with Lt. Barkley are the best episodes. This episode is my favorite of all Next Gen.
Broccoli
"they want to know us"
riker thinking to himself: "in the biblical sense?"
hence that smile.
I love how the old alien gets so excited by the simple understanding that we walk on two legs, talk to each other, and have a system of betters and lessers. Such whimsy from such an apparently old being over seemingly simple things is a joy to see.
I like how when the federation is intrusive of other species to "explore and understand" they cover it in moral arguments that it's okay, but when another species peacefully wants to explore and seek out new life in their own intrusive way picard is like "oh boy what a nuisance"
love that typical human hubris, WE want to be in control of how we explore. Q makes a few comments about how humans haven't evolved past their base instincts, this is one of those times lol
It's a little different when the other species essentially KIDNAPS your ship and crew. Whatever their intentions an intelligent species should know most life forms aren't going to react well to that.
@@kenle2Indeed. Or when another species shoots down your ship, steals your technology, tortures your surviving crew members in research facilities, experiment on them, then when they die they dissect them. Because they thirst for knowledge. Obviously. That’s much appreciated by the rest of that alien species. Obviously.
What if humans are not the only species that can get really pissed off?
1:10 Uh-oh, they're re-enacting the trapped-in-a-wormhole scene from the Motion Picture. Hopefully, they won't drag this one out for twenty minutes...
TTTTTOOORRRPEEEDDOOOOOSSS...AAAAWWAAYYYY!!!
On the upside: The TNG version featured a make-believe sex pervert, while the TMP version featured a real one.
Every time I get stuck in an express lane on the highway, I remember that wormhole scene.
Tamarian Capt: "Unzak and Vhila as children?"
Scytherians: "Oh, new friends!"
Tamarian Capt: "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"
Scytherians: "A language based on allegories referencing mytho-historical figures"
Tamarian Capt: "Darmok and Jalad on the ocean"
Scytherians: "Interesting sentence symbolic structuring, no idea what's being said, fascinating!"
Tamarian Capt: "Shaka, when the walls fell"
We now use memes the same way. Very concerning all around.
That's one hell of a frame shift. It usually took me a few hours to get to the center of the galaxy.
Real friendship drive in this case.
Love worfs palpable excitement at getting to do security dude stuff
One of my all-time favorite TNG episodes! I always liked Barclay's character, because I could very much relate to it. I could relate to him in his first appearance, in "Hollow Pursuits"; and in this one, I think he really showed his mettle even more. Honestly, I felt he deserved a Starfleet medal of some sort for this unorthodox first contact. Of course, I think he also deserved a medal for saving the Enterprise from self-destruction in his first episode.
How do we know he didn't get one? 😉
On the other hand, this first contact was orchestrated by the Cytherians. Barclay was just a tool.
@@danieldickson8591 Good points, both. As long as they were all quick to dismiss any notion of Barclay putting them all at risk or being insubordinate...
The Enterprise brought back enormous stores of information gained from the Scitherians for federation researchers to absorb....and not another word was ever said about it. That knowledge has all remained secret. At least none of it was ever revealed in TNG.
Picard did say it would take their scholars decades to examine all that info. Then they will have to thoroughly test any of it they apply before bringing it into full time use. It would be a long time before it was commonplace.
Some of the stuff they develop later could be due to Cytherian help but is just never credited to them.
Too bad Voyager didn't have the data on the Cytherian propulsion method. 2 minutes to most of the way home.
"Googolbytes of data... all of it recipes for beans."
They have top men working on it right now. Top Men.
That's one of the major weaknesses of Trek, it is episodic and written by many different people. Each new episode is almost like a new Trek universe where whatever went before is no longer relevant to this new Trek. It is a major reason why I consider Babylo5 to be far superior where most of if was written by one person who had an overall vision for his story and mostly stuck to it.
I remember this episode when it first premiere. It's one of my favorite top ten episodes of the series. It inspires hope in that THIS is why Roddenberry created the series in the first place, to meet new civilizations in peaceful contact. The majority of the episode wasn't all that interesting but it was this final act that really endeared the episode to me.
And it’s fitting that even Picard has to be reminded of what his mission is (Roddenberry’s purpose as you mentioned), likely a side effect of his experience in the Borg (which was just a few episodes before this). Nice continuity.
Man this arc is bloody amazing. I'm so excited to get there eventually watching the show
It's true, just like the Asgard from Stargate, the Cytherian's knowledge is so vast it would take decades to get through.
Probably one of my favorite mysterious races that we sadly never see again. Absolutely loved the old dude. He was just so pleased to see everyone. 😹❤
I get a little emotional whenever I see this. Anyone who cares about the lore of Star Trek, and the people who inhabit and inform that space, will understand.
They want our beans.
Well they CAN'T have mine!!
They just want to KNOW our beans. They are explorers. Only, they bring the beans to them.
@@UNLebanon So bean take out?
I’d say they’ve had enough! czcams.com/video/VPIP9KXdmO0/video.html
You keeps your pawa off of my beans.
Wow, Worf got back from the holodeck really fast, especially while being tossed around like that
Funny how all his descriptions fit pretty much all of the dominant species in Federation galactic sector.
It looks like at least the physical descriptions even apply to the Scytherians.
Ron Jones score.....is PERFECTION.
The way he said "hierarchial collective command structure" was like they come across it a lot
Picard had to be reminded of what his mission was: to seek out new life and new civilizations.
If only the world worked this way.
😢
This is one of the BEST examples of all of STAR TREK of new technology/etc and then them completely disappearing, never to be heard of again.
At 1:50, truly one of the most beautiful shotnof the entire series.
This is one of my favorite episodes.
I like how Reggie explains what just happened with this new alien encounter with shaking hands and a kind disposition.
Was anyone else reminded of when the refit Enterprise (NCC-1701) entered the matter/anti-matter imbalance induced wormhole in ST:TMP?
This is always one of my favorite episodes
0:44 He sends the smallest dude who forgot to eat his beans for breakfast to stop Reg. That was NOT going to go well.
Contiguous external integument! :)
The face of the Cytherian fella was adorable with the curiosity and fascination upon seeing the bridge crew, child-like if you will... :D
Also, if it took alien tech reconfiguring Brocolli's brain for the E-D to get to galactic core, how the hell did the E-A get there in STV?? That wasn't so much a plot hole, but an entire black hole of plot holes... :S
"Brocolli"...oh, that takes me back. All the way.
@@iago318 I wish they'd slipped that in to one of the Voyager episodes, like Admiral Paris accidentally saying it or something, maybe I'm just on a Lower Decks humour high though... :P
We do not speak of the odd-numbered movies!
They only hit the edge of the core. And Nimbus is fairly close to the Galactic Core as well.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 The episode they state they travelled 30,000 light years (rather than actually being at the core), at TNG scale Warp 8, that'd be almost 30 years of constant travel, and under the TOS scale Warp 8 (which I assume ST:V still used), that'd be 58 years, and as Earth to Galactic centre is approx. 28,000ly, given the E-A launched from there to deal with the Nimbus problems, cos "only ship in the quadrant", yeah, gaping massive black hole-sized plot holes, but then, ST:V was a crap iteration in the franchise...
That is so wholesome. THAT is Star Trek as I love it ❤❤❤
Reacted the same way Riker did when he said that. “They want to know us”. 😮
He reminded me of President Snow so I went and checked the Cytherian's actor on IMDB. Name is Kay Suter and his filmography is nuts.
He's credited as early as *1951*! ER, Charmed, Boy Meets World, Fraiser, Seinfeld, Babe, The X-Files, The Little Mermaid, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Baywatch, The Twilight Zone Divorce Court, The Last Starfighter, Day's of Our Lives, Green Acres, I Dream of Jeannie, The Outer Limits, Mary Poppins, Mr. Ed, Zorro, Lassie, The Mole People, Guys and Dolls- and those are just the ones I recognise!
Thanks for all the star trek clips. Good memories!
I hate that every time I watch too many videos on this channel, I wind up eating beans.
murdock got up to some wild shit while he was away from the team.
Riker's smile at the end is one of the best and most adorable things in the series that doesn't involve Data.
"Contiguous external integument"
I love the way the music swells to show how enchanted he is by the existence of skin.
The Cytherians don’t go looking for beans, like a bunch of lowbrow rubes. They bring the beans to themselves! 🖖😀
Then they must like beans very much.
agriculture rather than hunter/gatherers
1:58 - wow. It's a scene straight out of Star Trek V...
I was thinking the same thing, I wish I remembered if I thought the same thing when the episode originally aired.
Riker smiles...he's going to take an away mission down and see what type of ladies they have...show them the old ways...LOL!
Data : "We are experiencing some freaky ass shit"
All they wanted was to exchange bean recipes
and order bean take out
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"Mission?"
"Yes sir. You know, the same fucking mission you repeat at the start of every episode."
"...oh right, that."
Well, that's another way to make first contact!
Syctherians could of upgraded the Enterprise in such a way that the ship could reach any of the quadrants in a simple jump. Plus give the ship defenses that would make the ship boarder line invincible.
Since they are a peaceful race no need to muck about with weapons just the defenses would suffice.
Imagine an armada of starships blasting everything they got at the Enterprise but nothing happens. That’s an attention getter.
they probably have something similar to the prime directive that would prevent that
They probably did upgrade the ship in some kind of way. The ensign said they travelled 30.000 light years to the center of the galaxy. With the Enterprise's maximum speed (warp 9.6) that distance would take approx. 150 years to cover. Even if they pushed it to warp 9.9 that would still take 99 years. Unless we assume they simply got stranded there at the center of the galaxy from here on out, they must have warp jumped back to Federation space with a similar technique as how they got there.
Whether or not they kept that technology is a different matter of course.
1:17 when the acid hits in the back of the Uber
Worf and his security team just got bushwhacked again....by none other than Lt Barclay :)
this Cytherian is such a cheery fellow
Two times Barclay tries to commandeer a ship. Voyager with the ferengi and the subspace fold and this episode. Neither was his doing.
No wonder he has anxiety
Riker's grin is delightful. Picard met a bigger explorer. How will be handle it? (He was quite dense when the same mission was mentioned.)
Their homebringing technology being so messy is rude, though. They could be killing people just because they want to get to know them, and for some strange reason the probe doesn't seem to cut it.
Data knows... lol He cannot be comprised. He knows this is the best episode.
This is what Star Trek’s about. None of that Alex Kurtzman Picard / Discovery BS.
I like how the Enterprise was unperturbed that they were just transported to a distance that would take them 30-60 years to return to home from on their own.
This is one of my favorite TNG episodes. Peace
Worf stumbled onto the bridge like he just walked home at 4 in the morning after last call at the bar.
And they were never seen or heard from again
At this point that was no longer Barclay it was the beings that brought them here from the probe
Let's hope we get to see the Cytherians at least once in Lower Decks, maybe like a throwaway line or something.
i wouldn't be shocked if they did have them in so they could have an episode of doing the second contact with them
Lower decks is crap
@@vashstampede8523 wahhhh
@@vashstampede8523 Nope. Just you.
@@vashstampede8523 It's still much better than Discovery or Picard. Most Kurtzman Trek is crap...
Reg Barclay also appeared in episodes of Star Trek Voyager.
Barclay: They want to know us.
Picard: KIDNAPPING IS AN IMMORAL ASSAULT
makes you wonder if they brought the borg to them if the borg could assimilate them or try or analize how to get there after being sent back im sure they would say ummm dont bring these people here there bad etc
I doubt there was anything physical for the Borg to assimilate. I would also wager that the Borg tech could not do anything to them even if these guys did have physical forms. I think, like the Q, the Cytherians are so advanced as to not be worried at all with them.
The Cytherian spokesman here kind of makes me think of Mentor of Arisia from the Lensman book series.
I knew it. The face of Boe has survived.
Damn, your channel's growing fast now. I wouldn't be surprised if you hit 50k beans by the end of the year.
Excuse me but I do not identify as a BEAN
@@radscorpion8 Lol, I wasn't counting you 😝
Until someone complains and CZcams takes the channel down. Until then we get to enjoy snippets of the best Sci Fi series ever made.
Yes, Data, my wife identifies it as an oscillation delay too
I like the idea that the God encountered in The Final Frontier was a banished Cytherian.
What does god need with a starship? haha, love how pissed kirk was and how everyone else thought it was "god" the creator. And he knew nothing about them just get me out of here!
Cytherians must have amassed a large amount of information on beans that they could describe as cylindrical or semi spherical structure comprising of proteins, amino acids, sugars, fats, carbohydrates and protective enzymes.
I half expected the Zytherian to shoot something out of that jewel like third eye in his forehead lol
the grin on rikers' face was priceless
As soon as they guy started running I knew he would get launched back by a forcefield
Barclay: "Ludicrous speed, GO!"
"Center of the galaxy...
What does God need with a starship?"
Shame in reality center of galaxy is full of massive blackholes.
@@foreignfat6009 not exclusively.
...i think there's also a bunch of exploding suns!
@@foreignfat6009 Not several, just one really. That single super massive black hole tends to make it unlikely for other stars or anything stable to form. But it is not impossible for system to form in something like a Lagrange Point around the black hole.
They will know about beans also!
1:41 _"We've got one hell of a lagspike going on here!"_
lets be honest then, if a species like that exists, and most likely it does, (since life began billions of years ago, and was transported here by asteroids crashing into the earth, logically speaking, life can exist anywhere and everywhere, even in among the stars.) the logical conclusion is to just start peace talks, and not get too... amazed or feel too threatened by it, like our instincts would tell us.
I wonder if a Klingon or Romulan crew would take it as joyfully as the Enterprise's
I doubt the Romulans would spoil a chance at gaining a tech advantage over the Federation. Probably depends on the Klingon, though I agree most would probably take violent issue.
@@KingdomOfDimensions OK, but they will be able to take only what the aliens want to twke -- and they probably do mot want to give any part a militar edge. Actually, how many superadvanced society has the Federation found whose knowledge should have given it a decisive edge already? It is almost as if the scripwriters never worked out the wider implications of Kirk-Picard-Janeway's missions.