Who Is Responsible For My ZL1 Exploding?
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It's not like the car fell off the dyno... a part failed on a high horsepower car... not shocking... Glad you're alright
Not only that but he posted it on youtube. Which he never even had to do. Short of it sucking that the interior parts need to be replaced, its nothing new that doesnt happen all the time far as dyno issues. People just have no clue and wanna talk shit about it. 😂
@@builtbyme Yeah, and it was also his own car that he's pushing and finding limits on and testing parts on. It's not like he's tinkering and experimenting on a customers car and blew it up. It's his own development sandbox car... Incidents are bound to happen in racing related activities... only thing you can do is take all the proper precautions... He did everything right. Anyone talking shit definitely hasn't ever had a fast modified car.
It's good to give the car community some exposure to the ugly side of aftermarket modifications. While modifying is fun and amazing to do, there's always risk. No matter what the quality of the products are. Thanks for what y'all do over there at CSP! Keep the videos coming!
I think it was AJ from Hemi Tuners who tunes A LOT of high horsepower Hellcats said he puts the stock 2 piece driveshafts in for dyno tuning because he had 1-piece driveshafts grenadine before while on the dyno and it about scared him to death.
When you have a failure at least you made it a amazing one. Glad you’re OK.
One really good comment !!
“ if you can’t afford to fix it, do not mod it”.
Not just the dyno runs, but the runs on the street and track. Great video and update!
7:37 big reason to find a shop that stands behind their work with a warrantee such as Callaway
I’m glad you’re okay. We should all know by now, that there will be failures and weak points in high power applications. Especially when it comes to torque. Great job explaining what you found that failed during your dyno run. We can all learn from what happened here. We can make stronger parts to solve this problem. Sorry to hear ppl giving you hard time. I can’t wait to see the end result.
Can't wait to see TREEL1 back up and running!!!!
Just looking at your parts list, I would make sure the seatbelt latch does not need to be replaced as well, allot of them in newer cars are also a retractor to tighten the seatbelt in an accident triggered with the airbags.
Glad you're ok Andrew. Good informative video 👍
As long as you’re safe, all the damage can be fixed. Love the videos, keep them coming!
Love you guys, love my 2012 ZL1 you guys did for me last year. Excited to come back for more work in the future! CSP 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Mine blew cats out in the dyno at like 185mph. I would not have even for a second thought that the shop who was tuning it should pay for it. The tuner called and I said through the headers on it. Not a second thought.
If you watched trailer park boys you would know that Randy ( who loves cheeseburgers) is actually really nice and a great guy. Don't ever forget that! You are to! Love the content. ❤
AWESOME stuff, and glad you're okay. Glad TreeL1 is okay, too!!! Keep up the great work!
Great video Andrew. I am so happy that you and everyone is ok. Get R done now, and let us see it running again.
Im going to tell my grandkids someday. After Icarly ended Gibby started tuning Chevy on CZcams
Nah - Cheeseburger Randy is totally a better fit.
No gibby fits better
😂 thanks for the update!
I.
Absolutely love your work and one day I will be able to afford to bring my camaro to you
For one perhaps you should pull the airbag fuse before hand. Something else i will add is that when you take out a 2 piece DS and put in a one piece your going to experience a slight vibration. Do not accept it, take the time to balance the DS on the car. Driveline vibration will cause bearing damage over a long period of time depending on how bad it is. Take the time to support the car on all 4 corners ,pull the wheels and get to it. I used a simple vibration app with my android .
When you said "cheese burger Randy" now I can't un- see it lol
Time to change the P in CSP from Performance to Pyromaniac 😂😂😂 glad your good brother! God bless y'all!!!
U can get the seats repaired and the air bags after market.
I've had my stock drive shaft on my M6 ZL1 sheer at the diff. Running the DSS Chromoly 1 peace now. Fingers crossed I dont experience this failure! Glad you got out safely
The reason why I had this one was the factory one with that rubber coupler started twisting the rear end yoke. Took like 6 months to get the yoke too.
Hey, see if you can find out the 'Critical Speed' of that driveshaft. If you were on the Dyno upwards of 200mph, you might have reached that with the one piece, longer driveshaft, and it might have gotten slightly out of balance. you might be onto something with the other failures you have seen that were with a one piece driveshaft. I am thinking twice now about replacing my 2 piece driveshaft with a 1 piece one.
Andrew knows his stuff. CSP does amazing work.
You will need a restraint control module and will need to have it programmed. Also will likely need the side impact sensors, since the side bags blew.
0:38 I bet if you started lifting you would get jacked quickly, pretty good body structure for that.
Just had this happen to my 2016 V3 on the dyno, however it was a gulf coast 1 piece, not DSS. The tail housing blew apart. I am guessing this is a one piece DS issue and not DSS per say. I also ordered a built 10 speed from TK. Needless to say, I will be street tuning for now. The swap is pretty pricey.
Correlation does not always mean causation. Maybe the simple reason that every car you seen with that failure is because by the time you get to the horsepower levels that can potentially cause this they have already had to do the drive shaft upgrade for reliability?
Glad you survived! 😅 All jokes aside the mopar 8 speeds explode this exact same way unfortunately
That tree L1 will be making stronger comeback for sure 💪
It’s not easy to put yourself and your business out there for all the world to see. The haters can kick rocks. They are all dip shts anyway. Keep up the good work!
Catastrophic engineering failure. Don’t worry about the haters. Obviously you are a bad ass and you have put yourself in a position to even have a failure like this. No doubt that you will bounce back from it. And you will learn from it and what you learn will benefit your customers down the road. Appreciate the videos and the time you spend explaining the ins and outs of tuning
Long live the treeL1!! Cheeseburger Randy is pretty cool but you easily got him beat brother! Lol love seein all the csp content!
Really glad to hear that the tree L 1 will live on.
Really informative video. Thanks.
You should make a video on fixing the air bags
We plan to!
Hey Andrew, your friendly neighborhood insurance agent, here. Check your auto policy, because some, not all, insurance companies offer coverage for accidental airbag deployment. Call your agent or company to check.
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Damn carnage.....your a dyno survivor for sure
Whoever said the car wouldn't sell... ... ... legit if it ever did go up for sale and I had the funds available I would 100% buy it and run it in Daily Driver (aka Modern Muscle) without a second thought.
It looks like a friction weld failed. I am no expert on the 10speed parts you were holding. But if it was friction welded than high vibrations may have compromised the weld. So then I wonder how balanced the one piece is or if some weights came off of it.
Glad your good bro! Good video
With my experience with DSS, I’d put it squarely on their shoulders 😮
Great content thanks for sharing
As a dyno tuner, I feel ya. Lol. I want your shirt!! Lol😂
Edit: ordered 2 shirts since I've survived multiple tailshafts and driveshafts on the dyno. 😂
It's funny how people only want to point out that one thing that goes wrong. Instead of the thousands that go right.
Your shop is in the evil triangle of bad luck!!
The way I see it is it's better for something like that to happen in a shop environment over having it pop on you while doing 150+ on the street/track. Out there it's likely that much more damage would have been caused by this failure whereas in a shop environment would be much less.
Yep, that was the jist of the original video. The most important message I could deliver was that this was a blessing in disguise.
Great video. Love the Hamburger Randy!😂
There are company’s out there that rebuild the seat belts.
That is an absolute incredible amount of dyno time and tuning. The hours spent looking at a laptop sitting in hot cars working that magic. You are a beast. Glad your okay from the Camaro trying to brand you, it will be back and even faster for sure.
Stuff happens brother. Your it happens percentage is stupid Low . That's awesome. I wouldn't be afraid to bring my car ro you once I'm done swapping it. If you were in my same state.
Many companies reset the seatbelts.
We like to call those extra falling metal pieces "Bonus Parts".
The 10 speed should be the same unit as the one in the Muatang. The only major failure of the 10 speed so far i have seen is the valve body or clutch pack failure in high horsepower twin turbo builds.
But this is prob the first time i ever saw a transmission exploded and catch fire.
Also because of the trans exploding caused the air bags to go off was def a first time i ever saw that as well.
Unless there is a rig to just test the trans and the custom drive shaft alone. It would be hard to nail what cause the trans to go kaboom.
Prob the driveshaft is too stiff and during the downshifts send shock to the weakest part of the drivetrain? Was the half shaft and diff upgraded?
Lucky the fire was contained quickly and not spread all over. If not the damage would have been really bad.
The ZL1 10 speed automatic transmission is a 10L90, the Mustang uses a 10r80. They are not the same. The ZL1 trans has a higher torque rating/capability.
@@jameswilliams7337 if its stronger then why it still failed? Something dont add up.
I'm wondering if failures are somehow linked to the One-Piece driveshafts longer length, than 2 piece. This lowers the critical speed of the driveshaft and creates more driveshaft whipping at high driveshaft RPM. If that whipping is loading up the tailshaft of the transmission, causing failures. I'm not a driveshaft expert, but have driveshaft experience with class 8 trucks with very long driveshaft spans, and that is why 2 piece or even 3 piece driveshafts are employed usually. I'm surprised a company has not come out with a better 2 piece driveshaft to remedy stock weaknesses.
Going to a 1pc definitely introduces some driveline vibrations. They are probably hidden by factory soft rubber engine mounts.
I was under the impression that they do a 2 pc in cars like this due to having no angle between the trans yoke and diff. They are usually level with eachother and maybe only slightly offset to the side so you would end up with the ujoints on a normal driveshaft coming into a bind
@SLOGOAT219 whenever I would speak with driveshaft companies, they wanted very little angle. Less than 1 degree. Multiple peices is more of a length issue
1/ 21280 lol. That’s a huge % 😂😂
Glad this happened on the dyno and not when you're doing 55mph on the highway
I just liked the video and subscribed, but I really disagree with a certain point. And that’s fine, we can disagree.
I went to a shop and explicitly requested a new motor and transmission. The shop owner said I should do a rebuild instead. Since he knows more than me, that’s what I did and it was under warranty.
I then had the same shop put a Whipple on my Camaro. Within a week the high flow cats melted and the front seal was pushed out of the motor leaving it trashed. Also, he didn’t install a catch can. He had the stock tube running to the intake of the Whipple.
He did ALL the work on the car and it blew up within a week after the mods that I believe were done incorrectly. In that case, I believe the shop should be liable for the repairs.
That ended up costing me probably about $14,000 and I’m not happy about it.
I ended up getting a Texas Speed LS3 416 with the aluminum block, modifying the valve covers to install a catch can, and a couple of other things. I don’t feel that I should have been responsible since I took all of his professional advice and he did all the work to the car from the start.
And he also said, “Oh yeah, I should’ve told you that putting a supercharger on it voids the warranty.” Yeah…probably should’ve mentioned that before the car blew up in a week!
We are very up front about our disclaimer, but to your story it's a little different than a random part failure.
It sounds like cats failed and took out the engine, cats that likely were not meant for boost. Probably just standard cheapo cats. If an upgrade to them wasn't recommended I'd say there is some shared responsibility. I'm not saying full responsibility, but work and parts at cost is what I would expect. Here, we just wouldn't have done the work with standard cats and no catch can because of our experience. This tends to happen with shops that are new, competing on price. And unfortunately experience comes right after you needed it.
But make no mistake, there is virtually never a warranty when you mod your car, especially to the degree you went by adding boost.
I certainly wouldn't expect you or the shop to be happy about the failure. We are in this for the passion of cars, and it's a disappointment all around when something fails.
I've ate a few engines over my 15 years in the industry from our mistakes. We stand behind what we do. But that's really installation errors. When it comes to exceeding power limits, that's the risk of modifying a car. Sadly, that limit is a line that you don't know where it will be. There are certain expectations where the line is and it gets exponentially more likely to cross it. But once you cross it, boom - no coming back.
@@completestreetperformance it had the Kooks high flow cats. The guy did the whole build and I accepted everything he recommended. But I’m glad y’all would be a little more straightforward and hopefully stand behind a complete build that you recommended and did the whole job.
I went to another guy to replace the short block.
@@matthewhill1163 CSP won't take any responsibility, ask me how I know...
Would disabling the SIR system before running on the dyno have prevented the air bags from going off?
Air bags and seat belts can be rebuilt a lot cheaper
Firstly a actual shit began to fly across a room secondly the shit few in a very unfortunate direction thirdly the shit made contact with the fan 🤣
It's lahey's fault.
Also, if you rebuild a customers trans or motor and one explodes on the dyno, who is responsible for the damage?
My thoughts too. Do a heads and cam package, engine goes poof.. Who's responsible?
Depends what happens - if there was a mechanical error by us, we'd cover it.... and have in the past because no one is perfect.
However if there was no install issue and it was just the extra power was enough to put it over the edge, then its a bad situation and normally in house we try to figure out a way to lessen the blow instead of telling a customer its totally f'd. But in that case it would be on the customer. Your engine doesn't suddenly grow a new warranty because a cam was installed, you know?
@@completestreetperformance I feel that. That's a pretty fair shake i'd say
Does your shop only work with new camaros or do you custom fab as well? I have a back half 69 with a HC ls 408, 3.6 kenne bell, dominator efi, jakes 4l80e on a brake…street car stuff. The blower runs super hot even with a 10 gallon tank and meth. The car has vintage air and i’m kicking around adding an interchiller.
Do you do remote tuning? if so how can I get a hold of you?
So AJ will not dyno a car with a single piece drive shaft. You stated that maybe the DSS one piece might be the issue. So are you saying that a one piece drive shaft isn't safe to fun on high horse power?????
I’m still struggling to figure out why Destiny’s Child : Survivor wasn’t playing at any point in this video?😂
Glad ur still in one piece! Unlike ur transmission. 😎
Man I would never want to be a tuner. They always get blamed for everything. Now don't get me wrong I know there are some bad tuners out there, mainly ones that don't tune the torque management (my old tuner) tables but most of the issues I see tuners getting blamed for are often either cheap parts or incorrect install.
Most people I notice have no clue what having a 800+HP car is like. If you think it's all sunshine and rainbows 100% of the time you are crazy. Shit brakes, maintance is higher, the list goes on.
Were all the failures having the DSS one piece? Was any with the QA1 one piece?? Fixing to go to a one piece so I would like some info on this please????
Hey Andrew, I’m curious as to what’s constitutes a dyno run? Does it register a run just simply pressing record and stop or does the dyno have to run for a certain time or reach a certain speed? I know there are multiple uses for a dyno other than getting power numbers so I was just wondering how the “pulls” are determined?
Should my interchiller be frosting over like you’ve shown in videos, don’t know if it’s working correctly and how I can check?
So do the stock ZL1's have a one piece drive shaft? Or was this an aftermarket drive shaft you were referring to?
New plate.... A10Fyre
Can’t believe that you go with Tim king and not circle d transmissions. Honestly I had nothing but a bad experience with one of Tim king’s transmissions I had built for me. It only got straightened out when I had it gutted and put all circle d parts in it. I mean each to their own but his business practices left a pretty bad taste in my mouth, just saying! Anyway I was looking to get a 1 piece driveshaft I’m about 800whp on a 5th gen zl1 at what whp do you recommend doing the 1 piece? And would you still recommend doing a dss?
Well the factory driveshaft is going to twist the rear end yoke at that power. So it's worth doing. Can't say it was the failure yet, but all signs are pointing there.
@@completestreetperformance thank you for the response and advice! I’ve been having it on my to do list for sometime now and my whp is getting past the point I planned on still having the stock zl1. I think you might know my tuner or of him , his name is Ed Gomez, he tune vetty white and works with 6l80 tuning. That’s a pretty good vid of you all racing. We’ll keep on doing what you do I sure enjoy your vids , thanks man!
All I know is that video is EVERYWHERE 😂
Why did the airbags explode?
Omfg.... that was one of the most important things I was supposed to talk about and missed it. I have been a little sick the past week so my mind hasn't been there. Ooof. I will answer it on the next video as we rebuild.
Bent driveshaft maybe caused the issues
Shit happens. I would buy it.
Don’t forget the SDM
We should be able to reset it with our GM tools. Anything a dealer's electronics can do, so can we. Fingers crossed lol
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The title claiming a person is responsible for your car exploding is wrong by definition. A car is an inanimate object..
Send seat belts to safety restore will redo your seat belts and all your modules
Just removed my OEM ZL1 1LE seats and belts…hmmm?
I got new ones lol darn
@@completestreetperformance damn. Would of been nice to come out, swap, gets some pulls and then cage it.
Part of me was like "well, we just became a racecar" but then I reminded myself of my business name and was like "oh yeah, I have 4 kids and almost never get to go to the track" lol
@@completestreetperformance that’s normally how it goes! Had a small mishap with my 370z and it turned into a race car. Now years later I have this brand new 1LE and the wife wants it turned into a full blown race car. 🤷♂️🤷♂️.
At least he didn’t call you Phil Collins …
Bros car said fuck this shit im out
Id buy it lol!
You didn’t throw it in neutral? 🤷🏼♂️
No, you can see it falling apart during the pull obviously while in gear. I've had 5 professional shops call me now to tell me this happened to them and well with airbag deployment! Apparently I'm not the only one.
There are a crazy number of zl1 with salvage titles. Probably most of them and they all get sold. Lol
And this one has a clean title... a history... but a clean title hah
As far as the comments go......you can't fix STUPID!!!
There's no way I would take my car to a "professional" for modifications and they don't retain at least 30% responsibility for it. I haven't met a tuner that doesn't run cars hotter than they should without letting it cool.
Tell me which tuner you are going to so I can confirm with them that they are accepting such responsibility so I can give them props in the next video
@@completestreetperformance oh I know there's none but I'm speaking in general that it's not a risk I would take when I'm going to someone else for a professional service
That's not that much wear!!!! Just slap some grease on it and send it!!! ROFLMFAO!!!! WOW BROTHER!!!! glad your ok. It could have been worse.😊
shit ill buy it
Back off - she's mine.
@@completestreetperformance lol I just couldn't believe someone said good luck selling it
11:47 well 30,154 times with one failure is technically 1% chance😂
1% is actually 1 out of 100, so technically 1 out of 30,154 isn't 1% lol
Thank god no one was hurt and that’s that! And for the nay sayers f them!
It seems like every video that you do, there's always a failure.
Shit happens and the people that don't think so can go eat more glue...
And I was just thinking about getting zl1 till I seen this video gt500 here I come
so a car making close to 1000whp that has over 200 dyno runs breaks a part and you some how think a GT500 is going to be perfect? Parts break all the time, most time it's something small but this time it happen to be something big. When you start making close to double the HP the parts were built to handle you are bound to break something.
Good luck with the GT500, great cars and make great power with little mods but I would still keep some money in the bank for broken parts.
Tuner or Chevrolet?