The DUMBEST COACH in Buffalo Bills HISTORY
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- In week 9 of the 1968 AFL season, the Buffalo Bills played the New York Jets. And the Bills, up by one in the fourth quarter after scoring a touchdown, decided to kick the extra point instead of going for two. The reason why? Well... Harvey Johnson is an idiot
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Bob Kalsu-the left guard for the bills number 61 was the only modern player to die in combat in Vietnam the next year
He was from Del City, OK. I live in neighboring Midwest City.
Talk about a Dumb Decision!
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If the Bills had won this game, they would have lost the first draft choice for 1969 to the Philadelphia Eagles, who started the season 0-11 and then screwed things up by winning the next 2 games before losing at home in the game in which fans pelted Santa Claus with snowballs.
This game, and Philly winning 2 games that didn't mean anything, allowed Buff to get OJ. Imagine how history would have been if OJ went to the NFL instead of the AFL, even after the agreement of the merger.
"The reason why? Well..... Harvey Johnson is an idiot."
That actually made me LOL. Literally. Good one. 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
21:00 That’s the first time I’ve heard of the “octopus” (same player scoring a TD and the subsequent 2-pt conversion). Thank you for that addition to my football vocabulary.
The main thing I have learned from this channel is that being OJG9's video editor is the easiest job on the planet.
The editor doesn't talk much. Only time the editor spoke was on the 1961 Giants with Tittle and Conerly and the editor sounded an awful lot like the Peanuts character Charlie Brown's teacher.
This would be the last time in 1968 someone didn’t know the score of a Jets game.
Yes, their momentum was building. This game was 2 weeks before the Heidi Game.
Jets 32, Raiders 29...Heidi 14.
Jerry philbin, after the game in buffalo said, "namath, this week we're wearing green!" At least vinny had the excuse of being colorblind
Yes, but look at this way: If Harvey Johnson wasn't such a dolt, the Bills wouldn't have poached John Rauch from the Raiders, and John Madden wouldn't have had a chance to become a head coach at age 33 -- football history could have been much different.
Harvey Johnson was the worst Head Coach in Buffalo Bills history. He not only went 1-10-1 with the Bills in 1968, but also went 1-13 with them in 1971 making his career record 2-23-1. However Ralph Wilson kept him around despite his poor coaching record because they both were into thoroughbred horse racing.
Well, who would’ve thought that 24 years later, Dick MacPherson, then head coach for the New England Patriots would forget the score of the game against, Ironically enough, the Bills.
I think the biggest upset of all time is 1978 colts at Patriots. Let me explain. Baltimore had been outscored 80-0 in their first 2 games of the season. They were 0-2. The pats were 1-1. The colts had lost 4 of their last 5 games played at Schaefer stadium, and New england led it 13-7, entering the 4th quarter. That's when Joe Washington and company put on an improbable comeback, scoring 27 points in the 4th quarter alone, to beat the patriots 34-27 on Monday night. Baltimore finished 5-11, with the 2nd worst offense and dead last defense, while New england finished 11-5, gaining more yards than anyone in football. That pats team also was the 2nd seed in the afc
I'm surprised that this wasn't slotted in the Dumb Decisions series. Johnson should've known better than that. With no overtime, he should've kept his offense out there after the TD and put more pressure on the Jets, especially with a made 2-point conversion. At least this dumb decision put them in position to draft O.J. Simpson FWIW.
They did all of this just to draft a murderer
0-9 Browns over 8-1 Bengals in '75 and 2-11 Dolphins over 11-2 Patriots in '04 aren't even mentioned when they're the 2 biggest regular season upsets ever, especially since in both cases the winning team rallied from 2 scores down in the second half? Come on, man.
Another reason to go for two is to set up the possibility of taking an intentional safety if need be, If you are up 22-19 and pinned near your goal line, you can give up a safety and still win. Up 21-19, you can't.
If it's the last play of the game ok. Otherwise the team giving up the safety has to kick off giving an opportunity for more points.
23:52 Did Harvey Johnson disappear after he left the Bills and re-emerge some years later as Tom Flores? 😁
Not knowing the score... that ranks up there in Lolcow moments! 😂
"Welcome to Dumb Decisions"...
Just like that Peter, Paul and Mary song "Right Field"..."I don't know the inning, I've forgotten the score".
When you have the coach’s quote of “I didn’t know the score” on the video’s thumbnail, you can’t say, “folks, you’re not gonna believe this. I promise you, you’re not gonna believe this.” You gave the punchline before telling the joke.
Yeah, it be like that
Rex Ryan had one of these vs Miami where he played for the tie in OT, when a tie would eliminate the Bills from the playoffs. They lost the game anyway, but could have gone for it on 4th down with 3 min left in OT.
No, Wade Phillips was the dumbest coach. He started Robb Johnson over Doug Flutie in what became to be known as the Music City Miracle.
Quite a dirty hit by Jim Hudson (#22) on Richard Trapp (#28) at 22:22; Hudson died in 2013 at the age of 70 from traumatic dementia encephalopathy, caused by repeated hits to the head; on this play, he was leading with his helmet.
This might have been the best game of Kay Stephenson's playing career; he broke his collarbone shortly thereafter, and didn't play again until coming out of retirement in 1974 for a season in the World Football League. He compiled a record of 10-26 as head coach of the Bills (1983-1985), and later coached in the WLAF and CFL.
Oh WOW...that Hudson play is one of the dirtiest cheap shots I have ever seen! Going out of one's way to spear someone lying on the ground who *doesn't even have the ball* is crossing the moral event horizon as far as I'm concerned.
The Bills would have been better having President Lyndon Johnson or Artie Johnson the comic on the 1968 hit TV show Laugh In coaching the team instead of Harvey Johnson and there was some really bad coaches in the 50's 60's and 70's in pro football.
I don't know -- Urban Meyer is strong competition in this race.
Josh McDaniels watched this video and said “I can top that”
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a Bills-Jets game in 1975 in which Jets Coach Charley Winner made a questionable decision that seemed to be contradictory with the score.
The season I missed by 4 years . The Jets Super Bowl season . I could just tell that the Bills coach didn’t go to 2 as you were setting it up at 19-14
This is the dumbest thing in Bills coaching history but it pales in comparison to Andy Reid in 2005 calling a time out to freeze the Bucs kicker, who had never kicked a 60 yard field goal, the Bucs were down 1, clock running 3 seconds left in the game and the Bucs had no timeouts. Outcome: field goal is set up, kick is good and Andy Reid snatched a two point loss from the jaws of Victory. It is by far the dumbest coaching decision in football history. I forgot to mention the Bucs field goal unit wasn’t on the field yet when Andy called Timeout.
Wade Phillips was the first person that came to mind when it comes to the dumbest coaches in Buffalo Bill’s history. Tennessee Titans barely beat a Rob Johnson led team versus Doug Flutie who definitely would have beaten them in the 1999 AFC Wild Card game.
Did Harvey Johnson also believe Helsinki was in Sweden?
So Kay Stephenson, one of the worst coaches in Bills history, was the quarterback for the worst coach in Bills history. Guess he learned from the worst and kept the legacy of suck going.
Dallas was just 7-4 when they lost to the then winless Bills. Granted that loss (and getting swept by the Giants) kept them out of the playoffs.
Those 1968 Bills were a team in decline. They still had good players; DE Ron McDole (who later played for Washington), SS Butch Byrd, WR Haven Moses (later played for Denver). Paul McGuire, and Marty Schottenheimer were players on that team. But the two head coaches...well, they helped earn the number one pick in the draft that year.
I was there with my Dad. Both of us went nuts 🍻🍺🍻
Sorry but as a player with the game this close and knowing my coach is so inept I am doing my damnest to convince my teammates to run a 2 point play
I would have thought Wade Phillips would hold his title. It's his fault the Music City Miracle happened.
Fun fact: the '68 Jets outgained the Bills by 230 yards and lost, and also outgained the Broncos by 238 yards and lost.
Fact #2: The Bills and Broncos had 6 wins combined that season.
Joe Namath interceptions lost those games
He only won once for a reason
Are you sure it wasn't Gregg Williams, Dick Jauron, or Mike Mularkey?
It's crazy to think how many coaches were saved in history from their dumb decisions when they ended up not costing the team in the end. Lol this guy would be accused of tanking for OJ if this happened today.
4:13 Wait... Cleveland's 1950 upset over Philadelphia is crazy? I need an explanation. These teams aren't 2016's teams... the original Browns teams were a juggernaut. Maybe how badly the Eagles were embarrassed... but certainly not the fact the Browns won.
8:02 Yup. There are many examples of this in sports... even if the worse team doesn't win, but keeps it so much closer than it should be..
Some context here, as OJG9 would say. The Browns *were* a juggernaut, but the NFL didn't take their AAFC domination seriously and scheduled their opener VS the defending NFL champ Eagles on a Saturday night before all the other opening games specifically so the maximum number of people could witness the Browns get embarrassed by a "real" team. It backfired and became the Browns' national coming out party instead on their way to the title. Essentially, this was Super Bowl III nearly 2 decades before Super Bowl III.
@DolFan316 Good call. It's one of those watershed moments that can easily be forgotten how big really were.
14:00-I was waiting for "welcome to Dumb Decisions" but then realized it's not such a video. It should be..
So we need this in dumb decisions.
IMO, Harvey Johnson is the 2nd worst NFL Head Coach in history. The worst? The man who kept making the Derricks rupture, Bill Pederson. Pederson was the prototypical college head coach that was rushed into the NFL, and went 1-18(Even worse than Johnson's 2-23-1) and was replaced by Sid Gillman mid-way through the '73 season.
Fun fact: Gillman was set to retire after the '73 season, but a petition led by the late Fred Willis convinced him to stay for the '74 season. And Gillman nearly quadrupled the Oilers' win total in the past 2 seasons(2-26), by going 7-7.
Hue Jackson was worse than both of them but will never be considered as such for...reasons.
So does Urban Meyer even come in 3rd?
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Meyer's actually 4th on my list. For perspective, here is my top 5:
1) Bill Pederson
2) Harvey Johnson
3) Bobby Petrino
4) Urban Meyer
5) Rod Rust
^as documented in a very, very recent JG9 video.
In the short term it was stupid, in the long run, they got the juice
22:33 those were typical Patriots of the early 90s Kiam/Orthwein error (and pretty much any Pats team prior to 1994). That game vs Bills not knowing score and running the ball instead of kicking game tying field goal with no time left vs Broncos instead of kicking field goal in a game in 1991
Namath threw too many interceptions in this game and that’s why the Jets lost by three because I think they were 2 pick 6s
This alone should've kept Namath out of the Hall Of Fame. Yes, I'm serious. But of course he got in because Super Bowl III (in which he was a game manager who rode his running game and D to the win) and he banged a lot of women.
Harvey Johnson was the worst though
If the sports analytics community existed back then, Johnson would've been ripped to shreds.
Reminds me of Jr smith
did they even have a twp point conversion in 68
In the AFL, yes
It didn’t exist in the NFL, but for this Jets/Bills game, and for every other AFL game, they absolutely could go for 2
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 oh ok thank you very much for the info
The Jets have never had a stadium Shea belonged to the Mets and you know who owns Giants stadium
rod '0-16' marinelli was a horrible coach followed by marty 'dumb decision' morningwig who after winning the ot coin toss in '01 gave the bears the ball who go down and score to win. reason-wind at soldier field. lions are loaded with horrible coaches. hudspeth, rogers, caldwell, patricia.
It was a bad situation for everybody Harvey got the job and he didn’t want it. The players felt bad about it. They felt awful.
I am not a Bills history guy, but I always thought it was the guy who used OJ as a decoy, lol. But yeah, Johnson was not bright at all, lol
bills made out alright when dumb eagles won meaningless season ender giving bills oj, eagles leroy keyes.
That 1-15 Browns team you mentioned beat the Chargers in Week 16, not the Patriots.
He knows that. Listen again