Ayyyy, someone finally commented on how high the redline is. Reviewers almost never mention it. I would take a 7500 rpm redline, linear power, and better fuel economy every day over a tiny performance turbo with tons of lag, and a 1000 less revs. This car more than enough power for steer/daily use. TS is a bad buy, but a regular limited and upgrade yourself, but otherwise a great vehicle. I love mine. Drift it every time I drive it.
I agree with everything except the comparison to Limited. The price difference between the Limited and TS is actually a discount if you were already planning on upgrading to a big brake kit.
@@jaron95 bro.. Mercedes charges 13000 for Carbon Ceramic brakes on its twin turbo v8 cars… Who’s spending more than 7000 on brakes and struts? I can do both, get an exhaust, get tint, get a sexy shift knob, a dash cam, a radar detector and have $1-2k left over. Where/how are you justifying 7000 more for this car?
@@sshah2545 United States dollars? I compared the BRZ Limited (MSRP $32.7k) and the BRZ TS (MSRP is $35.4k). I looked up a Brembo brake kit and the front rotors/calipers alone were $4k, let alone the rear. Are there cheaper alternatives? Yes. But we're talking about factory Brembos for less than aftermarket. That said, I still agree with everything else you posted. Full disclosure: I already ordered a TS three weeks ago so my money is right where my mouth is lmao
@@jaron95 someone literally said the TS was being priced at 7K above the limited. They should’ve shut their dumb mouths and I will shut mine. At that difference it’s a solid deal, go get it. Enjoy..
2024 manual BRZ is definitely NOT slow by any means. It runs 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and 1/4 mile at 13.9 seconds @101MPH those results are faster and better than a 2014 base Porsche Cayman manual which runs 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and 14 mile in 14.2 seconds @102MPH It also way outperforms a base 2014 Porsche Cayman manual from 0 to 130 MPH the 20224 BRZ does it in 26.7 seconds while the base 2014 Porsche Cayman does the same deed in 31.7 seconds! Anyone saying this car is slow is of their rocker, and I have a challenge for you……. I challenge you to find any other car for up to $38,000 brand new and stock that is a naturally aspirated engine car with manual transmission that is faster than this…. I bet you that you can’t name one!
when I drive my BRZ it goes from slow to fast. Sometimes it feels slow, other times, when I shift everything Perfectly, it actually flies and I'm surprised by how fast it is. I'm only a novice, but when driven properly, I feel it's actually pretty fast. My friend who is an amateur race driver said it's actually fast also when he drove it.
Yep and they flew all the reviewers business class through Qatar Airways famous QSuites. Subaru paid a million dollars total for all the round trip flight tickets, 5 star hotel stay, gourmet food etc
One thing I found with review channels, don't tell me the spec sheet. Tell me something that Subaru won't tell us. Like What's the spring rates difference? What's the rotors size? WHAT KINDA PADS DOES IT COME WITH? You can't advertise a more track oriented vehicle without telling us the most crucial details. Forget the 215 PS4, they are trash. What can I fit on these factory rims?
Loving the spec. Maybe more than I need. Probably a limited will do but the tS with those yellow calipers and blue looks awesome. Problem is my 2015 limited is still fantastic on the street.
Big fan of this car. Excellent option if you are looking for a sporty daily driver. Buying a low mileage, one owner used BRZ/FRS/86 would be an excellent option for someone looking for a good value.
Wow great price for the tS! STI tuned handling, hitachi dampers, brembos Bargain for what it delivers. Well done Subaru! Made a scalpel of a drivers car even sharper❤️. Think I found my next car
the BRZ and WRX are among my favorite cars however I'm not sure that these really do enough. It kind of made me do a double take that anyone flew across the world to review them.
Manufacturers’ license plates usually echo where the corporate office is located. Subaru’s regional corporate office is in Itasca, IL. Same seeing TX plates on Toyota of America’s press vehicles.
I love the nostalgia factor of the BRZ interior - this and the whole car is a 1990s flashback to me in a good way. I bought a ‘23BRZ last year to daily drive and it’s be absolute fun 🤙
2024 manual BRZ is NOT slow it runs 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and 1/4 mile at 13.9 seconds @101MPH those results are faster and better than a 2014 base Porsche Cayman manual which runs 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and 14 mile in 14.2 seconds @102MPH
Wow the TS really jacks up the price of this car just for some ugly brakes. I’d just save $7k and get the GR86. Seems like Subaru spent the TS budget on flying people to Sicily and not on the car
I found this info from Car and Driver. "Subaru has released pricing for the 2024 BRZ lineup, which adds the performance-focused tS trim. It starts at $36,465, which makes it $2650 more than the Limited ($33,815) and $5150 more than the Premium base model ($31,315)." Furthermore, they note that the TS gets upgraded wheels, brakes AND dampers. $2650 premium over the Limited doesn't seem like a bad deal to me for upgraded/lighter wheels, bigger/more powerful brakes from Brembo and Hitachi dampers. I don't think you could do all that at an independent shop for that kind of money.
Seems like you are mixing up things. You seem to be comparing base 2023 GR86 with 2024 BRZ, 2024 model year is going to have a price bump for GR86 as well.
Now that the FRS and BRZ are getting a divorce Subaru has the freedom to make an AWD turbo version! And put an unequal length header in, I know it will make it a bit slower but that classic Subie burble with give it some character. Maybe Prodrive will come out with a special edition one day.
Subaru has already stated they won't be doing an AWD BRZ. They actually considered it and the realized the car is better without it. Guys who want it all don't seem to understand that the only reason Subaru sells any BRZs at all is thanks to its affordable price. Of course they could have given it a turbo, awd, etc but then the price would be over $40k and literally no one would buy it. They understand the need to build a niche car like this to a specific price point that the average enthusiast can actually afford...and that means leaving some unnecessary features out.
Cause people don't want to pay $73,000, also GR86/BRZ are great first cars, you can mod and tune easier, some people use them for drifting instead of going "faster" and it won't die randomly on the road💀
It is the only lightweight 2 door sports car available for under $60,000. For most people the WRX, Civic R, Civic SI, Elantra N, GR Corolla, GTI, and Golf R are better options. They give up a lot of the handling for a real back seat and rear doors. For someone who wants a lightweight sports car for under $60,000, the only option is Miata and that is only an option for someone who can live with a 2 seat convertible and is under 5'10.
Ayyyy, someone finally commented on how high the redline is. Reviewers almost never mention it.
I would take a 7500 rpm redline, linear power, and better fuel economy every day over a tiny performance turbo with tons of lag, and a 1000 less revs.
This car more than enough power for steer/daily use. TS is a bad buy, but a regular limited and upgrade yourself, but otherwise a great vehicle. I love mine. Drift it every time I drive it.
I agree with everything except the comparison to Limited. The price difference between the Limited and TS is actually a discount if you were already planning on upgrading to a big brake kit.
@@jaron95 bro.. Mercedes charges 13000 for Carbon Ceramic brakes on its twin turbo v8 cars…
Who’s spending more than 7000 on brakes and struts? I can do both, get an exhaust, get tint, get a sexy shift knob, a dash cam, a radar detector and have $1-2k left over.
Where/how are you justifying 7000 more for this car?
@@sshah2545 United States dollars? I compared the BRZ Limited (MSRP $32.7k) and the BRZ TS (MSRP is $35.4k). I looked up a Brembo brake kit and the front rotors/calipers alone were $4k, let alone the rear. Are there cheaper alternatives? Yes. But we're talking about factory Brembos for less than aftermarket. That said, I still agree with everything else you posted. Full disclosure: I already ordered a TS three weeks ago so my money is right where my mouth is lmao
@@jaron95 someone literally said the TS was being priced at 7K above the limited.
They should’ve shut their dumb mouths and I will shut mine. At that difference it’s a solid deal, go get it. Enjoy..
Nice to see there are still pure enthusiast drivers out there.
The lack of cross-drilled rotors is not a negative for the car. They have a coolness factor of 8 and usefulness of 3.
ha for sure, all coolness, nothing else.
An IL plate in Sicily is wild lol. Land of Salvatore Lincoln, truly.
The manual has a different reverse setting because it is a Toyota (Aisin) unit, not a Subaru one.
How's the Hitachi shock different from the stock Brz's ? Three videos so far and minimal feedback about this main difference.
2024 manual BRZ is definitely NOT slow by any means.
It runs 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and 1/4 mile at 13.9 seconds @101MPH those results are faster and better than a 2014 base Porsche Cayman manual which runs 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and 14 mile in 14.2 seconds @102MPH
It also way outperforms a base 2014 Porsche Cayman manual from 0 to 130 MPH the 20224 BRZ does it in 26.7 seconds while the base 2014 Porsche Cayman does the same deed in 31.7 seconds!
Anyone saying this car is slow is of their rocker, and I have a challenge for you……. I challenge you to find any other car for up to $38,000 brand new and stock that is a naturally aspirated engine car with manual transmission that is faster than this…. I bet you that you can’t name one!
I don’t know where you got these numbers from but in principle you are right.
when I drive my BRZ it goes from slow to fast. Sometimes it feels slow, other times, when I shift everything Perfectly, it actually flies and I'm surprised by how fast it is. I'm only a novice, but when driven properly, I feel it's actually pretty fast. My friend who is an amateur race driver said it's actually fast also when he drove it.
Great review!!! “Not a numbers car” - so true, as is your comment that it is pure enjoyment to drive. 🤙
Are you serious - the guy has NO idea what he's talking about
@@CPE-j1u out of curiosity, what do you drive?
Alex, Did you say they flew you to Sicily? Mama mia!!😁
Yes, 42 hours on the island and then back home to drive a Disco 110 😂
@@AAutoBuyersGuide That's a lot of jet lag.
Yep and they flew all the reviewers business class through Qatar Airways famous QSuites. Subaru paid a million dollars total for all the round trip flight tickets, 5 star hotel stay, gourmet food etc
One thing I found with review channels, don't tell me the spec sheet. Tell me something that Subaru won't tell us.
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What's the spring rates difference?
What's the rotors size?
WHAT KINDA PADS DOES IT COME WITH?
You can't advertise a more track oriented vehicle without telling us the most crucial details. Forget the 215 PS4, they are trash. What can I fit on these factory rims?
I can’t wait to get mine this spring! I just can’t decide on a color! This will pair great next to my STi and Ascent!
I would get a set of light 17x9 wheels and 245 wide tires to make it more interesting.
Loving the spec. Maybe more than I need. Probably a limited will do but the tS with those yellow calipers and blue looks awesome. Problem is my 2015 limited is still fantastic on the street.
The BRZ has its heritage from the Super FT 300 series
What I don’t understand is why people talks about the car like Toyota build it when Subaru really is the one who built it
It was jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru. It's just that Subaru was more involved in the development process than Toyota.
No mention of the new suspension??
You're right that's the principal question!
Big fan of this car. Excellent option if you are looking for a sporty daily driver. Buying a low mileage, one owner used BRZ/FRS/86 would be an excellent option for someone looking for a good value.
Wow great price for the tS! STI tuned handling, hitachi dampers, brembos Bargain for what it delivers. Well done Subaru! Made a scalpel of a drivers car even sharper❤️. Think I found my next car
Can't wait for your full review Alex.
the BRZ and WRX are among my favorite cars however I'm not sure that these really do enough. It kind of made me do a double take that anyone flew across the world to review them.
Subaru marketing dept paid him to come, duh! Bet they were hoping for nicer weather though, 😅
Well yeah he said that @@g.r.2985I'm saying, even with that I'm surprised anyone took them up on it.
Subaru PR team chose these locations so that they could go on vacation on the clock.
Besides the brakes are there any other upgrades/differences between the TS and standard version?
The TS suspension uses Hitachi SFRD dampers. And aftermarket Brembo brake kits for the BRZ/86 cost about $4000.
I’m planning on getting one next year. 😊
The passenger side juice box option adds .01 percent weight increase. I would recommend against it.
1:30 Ugly wheels and tires, should’ve been wider, 235 at least in the rear
5:25 Not a numbers car
8:45 Driving enjoyment
9:30 Cheaper to maintain
Alex, out of curiosity why does the car have Illinois plates in Italy? Also that dash and interior looks right out of a mid 2000s car.
Manufacturers’ license plates usually echo where the corporate office is located. Subaru’s regional corporate office is in Itasca, IL. Same seeing TX plates on Toyota of America’s press vehicles.
I love the nostalgia factor of the BRZ interior - this and the whole car is a 1990s flashback to me in a good way. I bought a ‘23BRZ last year to daily drive and it’s be absolute fun 🤙
I am good with my '23 GR86
Last year without eyesore - best year until the rumored refresh in '25 where it's all Toyota, no Subaru
Nice!
The BRZ is by no means slow 😂, yeah by that logic the prius is a sports car too.
2024 manual BRZ is NOT slow it runs 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and 1/4 mile at 13.9 seconds @101MPH those results are faster and better than a 2014 base Porsche Cayman manual which runs 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and 14 mile in 14.2 seconds @102MPH
Wow the TS really jacks up the price of this car just for some ugly brakes. I’d just save $7k and get the GR86. Seems like Subaru spent the TS budget on flying people to Sicily and not on the car
I found this info from Car and Driver. "Subaru has released pricing for the 2024 BRZ lineup, which adds the performance-focused tS trim. It starts at $36,465, which makes it $2650 more than the Limited ($33,815) and $5150 more than the Premium base model ($31,315)." Furthermore, they note that the TS gets upgraded wheels, brakes AND dampers. $2650 premium over the Limited doesn't seem like a bad deal to me for upgraded/lighter wheels, bigger/more powerful brakes from Brembo and Hitachi dampers. I don't think you could do all that at an independent shop for that kind of money.
Seems like you are mixing up things. You seem to be comparing base 2023 GR86 with 2024 BRZ, 2024 model year is going to have a price bump for GR86 as well.
@@ragweedmakesmesneezeBut you don’t get all the features of the Limited, so why compare it that way?
They also did this to WRX TR: add some stuff and you need burn 50k, which is "average" new car price sxxt.
Brakes, shocks, pads, and downgraded front knuckles. That’s it, that’s all they changed
The BRZ has rally heritage?
...so you modify it yourself with a premium turbo and upgrade engine internals to handle 400+HP. Power to weight ratio, any questions? No.
$40+ ?
Great. Just great. lemme see... I'm 52 and if I start saving now, I'll be able to .. yeah no
Nice that Subie/Toyo are continuing to build this. We will all be crying bitter tears when all you can buy is bloated electro-monstrosities.
Get a PPK from the old brz and save $$$$
2020 ts w 2018 wing is better
What does TS stand for?
Tuned by STI.
@@jaron95 what does STI stand for? I saw an ad in the free clinic about STIs and that they're bad
@@rchen404 Subaru Technica International.
Now that the FRS and BRZ are getting a divorce Subaru has the freedom to make an AWD turbo version! And put an unequal length header in, I know it will make it a bit slower but that classic Subie burble with give it some character. Maybe Prodrive will come out with a special edition one day.
The FRS died back in 2016, try to keep up... It’s called the GR86, and the partnership with the 86 & BRZ isn’t going anywhere.
Subaru has already stated they won't be doing an AWD BRZ. They actually considered it and the realized the car is better without it. Guys who want it all don't seem to understand that the only reason Subaru sells any BRZs at all is thanks to its affordable price. Of course they could have given it a turbo, awd, etc but then the price would be over $40k and literally no one would buy it. They understand the need to build a niche car like this to a specific price point that the average enthusiast can actually afford...and that means leaving some unnecessary features out.
Great cars, just a bit leery because of the oil pickup / RTV issue
Dude.. failure rate is approx 1% of tracked cars, about 0.02% of all of them.. I don’t work for Subaru but I’ll take my chances
Internet hysteria.
215 rear tires looks so wimpy from the rear. Like the miata.
Not sure the higher price of the tS is justifiable.
It's a bargain if you want the features of the Limited and a big brake kit. Aftermarket Brembos cost $4000 just for the front.
The track engine that blows
First
Too heavy, under powered small engine. Now more expensive than a TESLA.
Troll
why would you not buy a M3 which is faster and cheaper to operate?
Cause people don't want to pay $73,000, also GR86/BRZ are great first cars, you can mod and tune easier, some people use them for drifting instead of going "faster" and it won't die randomly on the road💀
Because M3 is heavy. Try both on track, twins are much better for learning and improving.
Cheaper to operate… sure.
Lol are you guys triggered because you don’t realize it’s model 3
@@laloajuria4678 doesn't matter if it's BMW M3 or model 3, it's not a lightweight sports car, it's a heavy sedan made to play numbers game.
It's a bullshit car... Underpowered, overpriced, impractical. Who gets it would just get WRX.
It is the only lightweight 2 door sports car available for under $60,000. For most people the WRX, Civic R, Civic SI, Elantra N, GR Corolla, GTI, and Golf R are better options. They give up a lot of the handling for a real back seat and rear doors. For someone who wants a lightweight sports car for under $60,000, the only option is Miata and that is only an option for someone who can live with a 2 seat convertible and is under 5'10.
>subaru eyesore
into the trash it goes. Gone is the moniker "sub-30k" with that trash
why wouldn't people just get brakes and tires themselves for less money
Brembo brakes cost $4000.
Excellent point, however, as Jaron says the brakes cost about the difference between this and the Limited. The Limited has the same tires.