Being Forced to do Accents for Voice Acting Gigs
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I mean, that's literally a core part of the job. The more accents and voices you can imitate, the better.
Ye, its just that sometimes the accents can come off as a little….y i k e s
It obviously depends on the accent, what the accent means, what you’re using it for, how you’re interpreting it, what culture it comes from etc
TL;DR context is important
@Steven Joseph i’m american, but my dad’s nigerian. He does casting and teaches film. Though he lives in america now, he very much always operated in very “british adjacent” communities and people, despite never living there for long. both for obvious reasons but also because nigerian english is more british based than american based.
I’ve heard absolute horror stories from him on casting americans who decided to do their best British impressions at auditions 💀
He’s not british anyways, but he said they were never personally offensive, just really really really b a d.
You’ve already heard the irish ones so i feel like you already have a better grasp of what he’s describing than even i do.
He said its very rare when he’d get an actual good british accent impersonation lmao
Ironically i always loved doing voices and want to be/have an interest in voice acting. He’s said that while my british accent also isn’t good, it’s distinct in the sense that just from hearing it; you could tell that i had an unfair advantage and pull influence from actual British people and not just stewie griffin or something like most Americans do (in his opinion)
Ah yes, the "Asian" accent. You know, that one accent that *THE ENTIRE CONTINENT* of Asia has.
In colloquial speech, "Asian" is usually taken to mean East Asia. That's what they meant in this context.
@@StochasticUniverse The point they're making tho is that even among the three primary East Asian countries, i.e. China, Japan, and Korea, people's accents when speaking English sound remarkably different, because their native languages sound remarkably different. For example, Japanese only has 5 vowels, whereas Chinese has 7 + intonations. Grammar is a huge part of an accent too. So even in the context of East Asia, asking for a blanket "Asian" accent is ignorant and uninformative at best and crude and racist at worst.
@@StochasticUniverse not all East Asian accents sound the same
And even colloquially Asian also applies to South East Asia too considering Garnts Thai
@@borbjorbis6317 yeah like people doing an American accent despite America being 50 different states spanning a continent. Or a European accent despite Europe also being 50+ different countries spanning a continent.
@@impyrobot there's no stereotypical European ascent that people caricatize don't lie
Cmon
Lily bringing up the old league cypher just instantly reminded me of Dyrus' response to her lmao.
"Remember POMF that was the best thing that you done no hating"
Literally though, the ProZD "Submitting this the next time casting asks for an Asian accent" is pretty damn salty about how closet racist the industry is.
The beauty of having accents in fictional media is to make characters sound unique, hopefully with appreciation of culture or without relevance to culture (as opposed to blatant mockery).
Ideally, companies would hire VAs from the area with the accent, like Nia from XC2, but that might be beyond the budget or access.
Then the question becomes when is it ever okay to make mockery of an accent? Why do we make a huge fuss over the 'correct' way to speak the English language in particular? Why is it that us Americans tend to praise our fellow patriots who can speak a second language fluently while we look down on immigrants from places like China, Japan, etc who have working proficiency in English despite not really growing up with it?
The problem with accents, however, is that they can compromise understanding sometimes, especially among listeners who are not native speakers, ironically.
For example, let's say someone in France is listening to an English production of a movie. If there is an actor in the movie who has a very strong, "authentic" ethnic accent from a part of the world that is far away from France, the French person might struggle to understand some of what is being said. Native speakers are usually accustomed to hearing their own language spoken in a variety of accents, but non-native speakers are probably far less exposed to it. It's already an effort-intensive process for them to understand what's being said in English, to begin with, and now you're adding a secondary layer of difficulty in that the person they're listening to is not speaking in a mode that they've heard much before.
This is the reason why most Hollywood movies rarely ever use very strong foreign accents anymore. A minor accent can add flavor, but a very strong accent can make it impossible to understand what is being said. This can even happen among native speakers, for that matter. I've heard some individual people from Scotland with unusually strong accents speak before and I was able to understand less than 50% of what they said, as an American. It's because Americans have way less exposure to Scottish accents than they do to accents from England.
I also once saw a documentary about black Americans living in the Mississippi delta region and one of the guys in the doc was given subtitles because his speech wasn't intelligible to most of his own countrymen without it. I also could not understand it, and I had to read his words instead of listen to him. And he was a native speaker of an American dialect of English -- just one very different from my own and hailing from thousands of miles away from my home.
@@StochasticUniverse Hollywood movies have a major reach all over the word. if someone doesn't understand an accent a big part is they are not used to it. Same with language. Many anime fan don't really know Japanese but over time they picked up on a few words. My community as a kid was Jamaican and I understood what everyone said. Going back to the same people as an adult I can barely follow the conversation. Exposure is key so having more authentic accents can help understanding. If someone's second language is english then studying and hearing different accents helps for traveling across states.
We need the accents because they've been reduced to soulless stereotypes, even if you don't understand some words because of an accent, you'll get most of them.
I have a classical theatre education, so I have a bone to pick with every American and Briton out there (Most outspoken people I've seen against them) who don't want accents on people unless they look like their expectations of what a person from there should sound or look like.
Fuck reducing value in this world because people think they decide where the line is drawn based on outrage.
The didgeridoo is one thing.
But representing a people through stereotypes gives a closer look into what they might really be.
I hope michael reeves is the next guest
if you watched til the end of the full podcast, they revealed he's one of the next guests
Your request has been answered with the newest episodes
I mean I don’t really think framing it as forced to do an accent is the way to do it. Being able to do an accent is a skill. If they want you to do an accent and you can’t, just don’t audition. Like you look at a bunch of British actors who act in American movies and they make them do American accents. Like imagine how weird it would be in spider-man had a British accent. However Tom did his job, practiced the accent and no one bats an eye.
I also don’t think you will get much pushback for doing accents if you actually practice them and put in effort. Humans have accents and things will sound different. As long as you come at it from love and not like mocking(like just saying r’s instead of L’s to mock Japanese accent), I think you should be fine.
Although yeah, I do agree it’s weird that a audition would just say Asian accent as the languages of Asia are very different in sound and pronunciation
While it's technically true that "Asia" is everything between the eastern bank of the Bosphorus Strait and the Pacific Ocean, in practice (especially in America), the term "Asian" is generally understood to mean "East Asian". For example, people from Saudi Arabia are technically Asian, but nobody in the US (or probably in any English-speaking country) would intuitively connect Saudis with the label "Asian". It's the difference between the official meaning of the word and how it is vernacularly used.
And, although their native languages sound different, many speakers of East Asian languages have undeniable phonological similarties when they speak English at a non-fluent proficiency level. (There is the famous example that no East Asian language has within its phonological inventory any interdental fricative sound, so the word "the" is similarly challenging to pronounce for anybody from East Asia.) So the sense that various accents from across East Asian can be collapsed into a simplified "Asian" isn't completely without basis, when viewed from the perspective of how they sound when speaking English non-fluently (which, in the world of dubbing, is what we're talking about).
This is one of my favorite episodes
my heart goes out to voice actors forced to do this
4:59 title
I'm really torn on this subject tbh
On one hand,I don't want people to disrespect other cultures by adopting a accent that's not their own (which is very hard to do)
On the other hand,I want talented VAs to get jobs based on their ability and not race
If we went by the race logic the anime dub industry would only have japanese VAs and people like Connor would lose their jobs
i did a bit of voice acting commision in the past and it's just a weird thing overall. The character was from a manhwa (korean comics) who is korean but because it was translated to english, I had to make it sound "american". Funniest part is that I'm asian. On the other hand, even anime has a lot of non-japanese characters like in Fullmetal Alchemst or Black Butler but you do need Japanese dub for that and would be weird to go out of your way to get caucasian voice actors who can speak japanese. It's really just a case to case basis imo.
Well if we consider anime, that's very different from an American-based piece of media. Because anime comes from a monocultural society, liberties can be taken in terms of casting. You're not taking jobs away from anybody by dubbing over an Asian character in an anime.
But if you have a video game or animated show with a diverse "cast", but all of the voices are white... You can see the problem here. Having diverse characters doesn't really mean anything if the actual cast behind the scenes doesn't reflect that. If you're a white va taking an Asian VA role then you're actively taking the va job away from someone who actually should play the role.
And you have to keep in mind, a lot of times, VA isn't always skill based. Casting directors like to hire people they know, or friends of friends, etc. So it can be hard for new people to get into the industry, especially if the industry is biased against you in the first place. It's a step in the right direction now that people are more cognizant that voices should reflect the characters.
And honestly, don't think Connor would be super excited to play non-white roles lmao so you don't have to worry about him not getting jobs. I'm sure he's fine
@@attabooii Why is this a problem? If the most qualified voice actors all happen to be white, what's the issue? Don't the most qualified people deserve to win any given job competition, regardless of the field of endeavor? Or are you saying that some people deserve employment more than others by virtue of their race, alone? Because that's just textbook racism.
Do you just have a problem with the fact that they're white? It seems like you're saying that these hypothetical VAs are incapable of doing their jobs, for which they are manifestly qualified, simply by virtue of their race. That is literally the definition of racism, lol.
I recall the words of Nietzsche: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." It seems to me that, in your efforts to oppose racism, you're perilously close to becoming the thing you oppose. (But then, that seems pretty rampant these days, so I guess you're in good company, at least.)
Besides, how do you even know what race a character is supposed to be, anyway? You talk about racial attribution in anime so casually as if it's a trifling matter, but it's anything but. If a character is drawn with blue eyes and blonde hair (about half of all the characters in anime), those are obviously white racial characteristics right? Genetically Japanese people don't have blonde hair and blue eyes in the real world, obviously.
This feeds back to an old circlejerk in anime about whether the race of a character should be understood to be Japanese by default because they're drawn in Japan for primarily Japanese audiences, or if a more literal interpretation should be used that considers, you know, what the character LOOKS like when adjudicating their race. I've seen CZcams street interviews on this topic and most Japanese people seem to generally agree that any anime character should be understood to be "Japanese", regardless of what they actually look like. This is the negative inverse of your take on diversity of representation within anime. The consensus among Japanese seems to reject the entire question of representation and diversity out of hand, perhaps not surprising in a society where 98.5% of the people belong to the same ethnicity. Characters are drawn in a way that "looks cool", or so they say, but the characters are really all just homogeneously Japanese, anyway, regardless of superficial appearances. (Nevermind that superficial appearance is the whole point of race.)
And, by your logic, that means that almost EVERY character in anime should be voiced by a Japanese person because the characters are just Japanese that are culturally appropriating the appearance of other races without actually being of that race. :P So, yeah, that really would leave poor Connor with zero roles -- and Lily, too, since she's 100% Korean and therefore not Japanese enough to voice a Japanese character (which they all are).
@@attabooii I feel like that might be wrong. In the big picture, having diverse characters is more important than a diverse cast, as almost no one knows the ethnicity of the cast if they are good at their job (unless they go to look it up, but that's a pretty big minority of fans and at that point they probably actually like the character themselves).
This even works in live-action, like obviously having my country's actors act in foreign media is cool, but if there's a finnish character, I don't really mind if it's swedish or a russian actor (which are technically the two groups that have tried to destroy my culture the most lol) The more important thing is to see an actual finnish character.
I guess it kinda' depends on how well represantation has historically been done. I'm happy with small steps (like I'm fine with characters claiming to be speaking finnish, but actually speaking russian, german or just speaking finnish badly), but some groups are expecting that if there's a character of their ethnicity, they have to be fluent in the language (I've seen a lot of french and german people be like this, but that's often because they are so used to represantation, especially imperfect ones)
To me, it REALLY depends on the character. If being African-American is a big aspect of a character, then obviously I don’t really want someone else getting that role, especially since a lot of time they just lean heavily onto stereotypes of a certain race. I WOULD want someone to mostly be hired for their talent, but in the past that simply wasn’t the case. 9/10 times if an African-American were hired to do a voice they would be forced to use the “blaccent” and most of the times would be playing a stereotype of themselves. Cree Summer and Kevin Michael Richardson (some of my favorite cartoon actors) are some of the only actors I can think of who occasionally didn’t do stereotypical roles, but even back in the day, Cree Summer would joke about how if there was a black girl in any cartoon, she would be the one playing as them and she didn’t like that, because she was hoping that maybe they should actually go out and find new talent.
I like seeing the new diversity in cartoons nowadays, because in a lot of cases it isn’t as simple as black characters has black voice actor, Japanese character has Japanese actor, etc… it’s nice to hear new people in general in roles they wouldn’t normally be cast for because in the past they would have been likely cast to play as a stereotype.
I understand that famous voice actors usually get picked up over and over again because the people who hire them KNOW for a fact that they’re good at their job, but there’s a lot of other people, of all types of backgrounds even, who probably could do just as good as a job, if not better, that aren’t being looked at.
I like how this airs during the fall guys resurgence.
My dumb ass was waiting for Connor to talk about how he got a role in voice dubbing in the Mario movie, with all of his crazy life stories I didn't doubt it could happen. Am sad I got clickbaited but I still stayed for everything else lmao. Trash Taste best Podcast!
Yup
Well, good thing that only some accents are off limits and not all of them, since this whole thing definitely wasn't riddled by a Korean girl doing a British accent
im high rn and i clicked on title thinking it was chriss pat on the podcast talking about doing accents for voice acting which would reveal that chris pratt is doing an accent in the upcoming mario movie. rip, i was so hype :/
You should do a Caucasian Accent
Caucasian accents actually exist because a Caucasian is somebody from the Caucasus region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. Per wikipedia: "mainly comprising Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and parts of Southern Russia". Not everyone from the region speaks the same language, but most people tend to speak languages from a family of related languages, which presumably would throw a similar accent if their native speakers tried to speak English without intensive English language preparation.
i just realized grant's laugh sounds like a sea lion
Glad this started on wordle
I miss song parodies alot.
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If you don’t enter random made up words into wordle. You’re doing it wrong lmao
Hey is that Girl IronMouse Girl vtuber? That's exactly the same voice
No, that's LilyPichu
I don't understand the "white person dub a white character, black for black, etc..."
Kratos is done by a Black man and was always white and Greek. Why not take someone with Greek ancestry to dub him ? Because it's stupid. The same can be said for the reverse. A white can play a black. A black can play an Asian, etc...
You have to look at the image, hear the voice, the intonation and say "yes, I think it fits". It's not about the voice actors color, it's about the voice actor performance
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Very captivating, thank you ❤️
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Bro I can’t believe she really sounds like that I’ve never heard anyone that sounds like that
wolfychu sounds like that as well
Shame on you for acting like instalok isn't still good. Badmin still the mvp tho
i don't necessarily agree with a character voice HAVING to be of that race, yes it would be nice but theres also the problem of casting , there are just much more white people in the VA industry ( the American ones at least , ofcourse this is even more so a thing in japanese anime where 99% of Voice actors are japanese) and some of those have been in the business longer.
now i don't agree with doing racist accents of course , that doesnt really always fly well with me. if the character's racial background is of importance then yes i do agree that perhaps in that situation it's better to get the right VA . but in many cases of animation , especially anime , the race of a character unless some kind of fantasy setting , it isn't of much importance at all or never mentioned. in those cases it shouldnt really matter what the VA's color is, they are not an in-person actor , they are giving a voice to a character and unless you somehow can hear the color in a person's voice (aside from dialects) there is in many cases no difference between a black or white VA in terms of their voice performance and a person shouldn't lose their voice acting role just for the sake of pandering and making it a political choice.
also , this way of viewing things will significantly impact the VA industry for black people cause that rule would go both ways , meaning the abundance of non black characters means that black people wouldnt be able to voice act for light skinned characters. i think as a basis , any character in that regard can be voice acted by any race, equal opportunities for all races.
you'll see actually a lot of asian/lighter skinned characters being voice acted by black people and thats how it should be done.
the amount of times English dubs go out of their way to make people of color specifically play the roles of anime girls with a slight tan, meaning they arent even black is such an odd choice. like im not complaining but you can see what i mean here , character is like the slightest tint off the regular anime skin color and they are like "WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE VOICE ACTOR IS THIS COLOR!" and they'll boast about it. like i really don't give a crap for the political influence , if she is a good fit for the character then i really dont care. or in some rare cases they will flat out make a character out to be of a different race ( or sexuality/identity even) but this is largely just a american political agenda issue.
i don't really consume dubs largely BECAUSE it changes many aspects but i dont have any gripes with most voice actors who do their jobs well.
(wish i could say that about the english dub voice actors of dragon ball Z , since most of them ended up just being terrible people and ganging up on a innocent person. but thats not what this post was about.)
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Why is she scared to offend people doing a Korean accent but then does a British accent? Confusion.
People are brainfucked by the crazy and often artbitrary standards of internet culture, so they don't know how to think rationally about sensitive issues anymore.
And nothing brainfucks people more than anything that bears the stench of race. It just shuts people's brains down, sad to say.
East asian people in America have had the "asian accent" used against them to mock their broken English. Im assuming she was asked to deliver the line in English. If the lines were in Japanese, it'd still be offensive for a different reason tho: she's Korean, and the way they speak is totally different than how Japanese people speak
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Being force to do accent? Wtf does that even mean. U act like thats some horrible thing. I seriously dont kno what u guys mean. Seems like u guys r kinda being mellow dramatic. I was force to wake up at 7 today cause i had to be at the job sight at 8. Like wtf lol.
ok, and?
Who asked
Mellow dramatic? Bruh read a book
You need to take some speech/text comprehension classes, cuz apparently you don't know how to read context
This comment is ironic asf. Do you even have self aware brah? Like wtf XD