That is the best lap I have ever seen at Monza. Best ever. I mean that. The way he took the Variante Della Roggia, Lesmo 1 and Lesmo 2 were just incredible.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Hamilton's 2017 and 2020 pole laps at Monza were better than this, and he did them without traction control. The 2017 lap in the wet was over 1s faster than everyone else.
He deserved it lol Brilliant in a midfield car, but could not handle the pressure and expectation that comes with having a championship contender under him.
@@gastonhitw720 It's not the same becasue redbull built the car for max driving style so all the drivers they drive for redbull in the last years can't prove their potential because the car not suit their driving style and checo had the chance only this year in the first 7 gps with the regulation changes and when the redbull was built for the 2 drivers but it was after baku in montreal when redbull changed things in the car to back to the old politc to make the car more into max driving style than the 2 drivers style and it was for that why checo began to suffer and struggle a lot since montreal, but in renault the car was made for the 2 drivers driving style but fernando was just much better than fisico and in a total different league.
i miss everything in this video. the screaming V10s at 19,000rpm, the lack of any technological aids (DRS, ERS), and this qualifying format. i absolutely loved this quali format. felt so much more like a spectacle. the drivers, going out one by one, and showing their true one-lap pace. no jostling for position or tows. no stupid traffic jams at the last corner. just screeching V10s going as fast as humanly possible.
Drs and ers are not aids. They do not help the driver in any way. But the traction control and launch control those cars had are sure aids. So know your facts better.
this is the best qualifying format ever...no stupid traffic and towing from the teammate...fair chances for everyone, just pure beat the clock racing and the V10s...I so miss that sound, a proper racing sound not these shitty V6s which are loud but have no music
@@5950ziel he means that they didn’t zoom in so close when they went through corners so you could still see the speed of the car. Now they zoom in so close through corners you can see their eyes. It’s ridiculous
I loved this season so much, but damn could fortune smile on our man? afraid not... he was was light years ahead of the competition yet his car failed him. Still these moments when he'd put in a lap like this... Montoya looks crushed, Alonso thanking his lucky stars.
@@kodakwhite1696 he should have won all the races that he ended because he had a rocket compared to the renault, he did good but he could have done better
Best memories ever when qualifying sessions were awesome and you could see 20 drivers driving to the limit. Now it's all piling gangbang for the slipstream.
@@ciaronsmith4995 How would clutch slip work in this case? Isn't the clutch only really used to pull away from a standing start/pit box with the semi-auto gearboxes the cars have?
Kimi used a bit of clutch slip plus kept it in 6th gear for the back straight as shifting up to 7th would have meant he'd be slower (momentary loss of power) so it was slightly to do with clutch slip so not to bounce off the limiter
@@ajmalhussain3574 I don't get it. At those high revs I'm sure any slip won't gain you any torque. If anything as the clutch starts slipping it's inherently reducing its torque output for the first period. You get most of that back when it bites again, but it's further down the track with less time left for that torque to have done any work.
@F1gilles and Kimi was driving a car and a tyre that he's never driven before in 2007.... Lewis did extensive testing of the 2007 car and was quite involved with it's development from 2006 itself. Either way, yes. McLaren Kimi was so insanely fast that he would destroy current Max in race pace and single lap quali if given the car that suits him. Max on the other hand will have the edge the moment the car is not suited to Kimi. He's more adaptable.
Alonso had a problem with the gearbox on the Parabólica where it upshifted alone while he was speeding up and he had to correct that immediately. He lost a couole of tenths there for sure. He would have beaten Montoya too because his 3rd sector was awesome despite that issue.
Fuel Adjusted Kimi was half a second quicker than Montoya and 7 tenths faster compared to Alonso. Kimi pitted on Lap 25, Alonso pitted on Lap 19, Montoya pitted on Lap 20! Kimi had 6 laps more fuel than Alonso and 5 laps more fuel than Montoya, yet was still 0.175 tenths quicker! 1 lap of fuel= half a tenth. Kimi obliterated everyone in this session. 0.250 (fuel corrected)+0.175 (quali gap)=0.425 tenths quicker than Montoya 0.300 (fuel corrected)+ 0.441 (quali gap)=0.741 tenths quicker than Alonso Let's assume Alonso was faster than Montoya and was a tenth only behind Kimi. Then: 0.300 (fuel corrected) + 0.100 (quali gap)=0.400 tenths quicker than Alonso. No matter how you look at it, Kimi was unbelievably good. Best ever lap around Monza.
@@laterreta9734 Yeah Alonso was very good in last sectors of Imola and Monza for some reason. Maybe the car suited those better. Alonso had a good lap. But I was just clarifying it wasn't the best of the session. Maybe he could have beaten Montoya, hard to say.
@Ponfi Don't talk nonsense. McLaren in 2005 was nothing like Mercedes in 2014. Montoya finished FOURTH in the standings and nearly won the title in a Williams in 2003! Kimi was just the best driver on the Michelin tyre. He was unstoppable and super confident, I don't think Kimi even thought about Alonso once, just about winning. He nearly won the title in the third best car in 2003 already, we all knew when the best driver gets in a fast car he would obliterate everyone like in 2005. And turning the engine output down had NOTHING to do with the failures. 3 of them happened in Free Practice when he wasn't pushing, leading to a grid penalty, then the other 3 in the races were hydraulics, suspension and driveshaft. Enough.
@Ponfi It wasn't so clearly the best at all, only at certain points, to compare it to 2014 is delusional, the 2006 Renault was a better car than the 2005 McLaren and the 2007 McLaren was better than the 2005 McLaren too - Montoya was nowhere, and Kimi MADE it look like that as he did in 2003. Montoya was nowhere for most of the season in it, neither was Wurz or DeLaRosa and JPM claimed it was impossible to drive because it had so much oversteer. With Kimi, he was always fast 2003-2006 no matter what the car was. This guy nearly won the title in a 2002 McLaren in 2003!! He also understood the Michelin tyres much better than anyone else. In the middle of the season the 2005 McLaren was the best (not by much). But in the early part of the season (Australia, Malaysia, Bahrain) and late season (Suzuka and China) it was not even close to the best, Renault were much faster. At races like Monaco, Renault had the better car on paper, Kimi just drove like a beast that weekend for example.
Didn't look that fast when DeLaRosa, Montoya or Wurz drove it. Montoya called it undriveable and only won 1 more race than he did in 2003 and only won 2 of those races in 2005 because Kimi had a 10 place grid penalty.
@@ciaronsmith4995 I can't deny that Kimi it's a better driver than Montoya but why You always talk about JPM like a mediocre driver when comparing him against Kimi? Give some credit to JPM he won 3 races driving a different car in his first year. Also, he lost more than 1 race because Mclaren trying to help Kimi.
@@andresvelasquez5890 I think JPM is one of the strongest of the 21st century. I have said this multiple times and that JPM had the best racecraft and bravery in my view. Beating JPM is on the level of beating Nico Rosberg or Vettel for me. Maybe I was being harsh and you didn't understand.
@@alejandro9531 Montoya said the car suited him fine in late 2005 and 2006. The result was even worse. Please. We saw Trulli beating Alonso. It's clear.
I stopped watching F1 when Kimi retired. Alonso is the only real racer left now. The new drivers just don't have the same character and personality. Kimi was unique, everyone loved him.
With the most dominant car on 2007, a two world champion and a very talented rookie, Ron Dennis failed to deliver a championship in 2007. You can twist the facts as much as you want @Ciaron Smith ...but to everybody in this world that only have one name: Massive Screw up from Ron Dennis. FACT.
@@ScotchPolo when you talk about Spygate' that 100million $ fine that strangely didnt look like Mclaren ever actually paid?. A small company like Mclaren would have need to cut staff, reduce costs...nothing of that happened.
Fisichella was quite the prospect back in 1997-98, not sure what happened to him after. His 05-06 seasons as a Renault driver were truly disappointing, no matter his points helped his team to constructors titles. Mediocre at best.
You may be thinking of Alonso spinning in 2004 but yes, Kimi spun after starting 10 places down, (having secured a pole with several laps more fuel than Montoya), and being forced to run qualifying laps all the race, which he would not have had to, had he started from the front. As Mark Blundell said pre-race "Either Kimi wins or spins out". That was the attitude at that point of the season. He still finished 4th despite this, highlighting his crazy speed. Alonso, however spun in Monza 2004 and retired from the race, which was quite incompetent.
That is the best lap I have ever seen at Monza.
Best ever. I mean that.
The way he took the Variante Della Roggia, Lesmo 1 and Lesmo 2 were just incredible.
The way he maximases his exit in both lesmos edging the kerbs is almost unhuman!! Legend Prime time again
@@alexton7009 Same in 2018 lap
not too difficult for you really. almost every raikkonen performance for you is the best. fanboy
@@juandhaltrich That's simply incorrect.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Hamilton's 2017 and 2020 pole laps at Monza were better than this, and he did them without traction control. The 2017 lap in the wet was over 1s faster than everyone else.
They're brutal on fisichella lol
He deserved it lol Brilliant in a midfield car, but could not handle the pressure and expectation that comes with having a championship contender under him.
@@BlueSkyCrystals same as perez now lol
@@gastonhitw720 It's not the same becasue redbull built the car for max driving style so all the drivers they drive for redbull in the last years can't prove their potential because the car not suit their driving style and checo had the chance only this year in the first 7 gps with the regulation changes and when the redbull was built for the 2 drivers but it was after baku in montreal when redbull changed things in the car to back to the old politc to make the car more into max driving style than the 2 drivers style and it was for that why checo began to suffer and struggle a lot since montreal, but in renault the car was made for the 2 drivers driving style but fernando was just much better than fisico and in a total different league.
@@flazone4486 because they don't want to hire another driver that matches what max asks for
@@gastonhitw720 I don't understand, so you think checo don't matches what max want like teammate ?
i miss everything in this video. the screaming V10s at 19,000rpm, the lack of any technological aids (DRS, ERS), and this qualifying format. i absolutely loved this quali format. felt so much more like a spectacle. the drivers, going out one by one, and showing their true one-lap pace. no jostling for position or tows. no stupid traffic jams at the last corner. just screeching V10s going as fast as humanly possible.
Drs and ers are not aids. They do not help the driver in any way. But the traction control and launch control those cars had are sure aids. So know your facts better.
this is the best qualifying format ever...no stupid traffic and towing from the teammate...fair chances for everyone, just pure beat the clock racing and the V10s...I so miss that sound, a proper racing sound not these shitty V6s which are loud but have no music
And you got to see a full lap from the driver, now they switch driver every 10 seconds
@@razvanciobanu3229 the v6 is loud until f2, f3 and the porsche supercup are also driving that weekend.
It was a great format but just the most unfair one so obviously it did have to get changed.
back when the camera work was on point
Everything was very good !
What do you mean by that?
@@5950ziel he means that they didn’t zoom in so close when they went through corners so you could still see the speed of the car. Now they zoom in so close through corners you can see their eyes. It’s ridiculous
@@connorgagnon603 oh yes I absolutely agree. There are plenty of things I hate about current coverage, that's one of those too.
Watched 2021/2020 just to compare and they basically have similar camera work other than the visor cam introduced in 2021.
Prime Kimi was an absolute beast. If he didn't have so many mechanical issues, he would've won the championship or be really close to Alonso
He would have been without doubt, but due to unreliability he unfortunate..
@@thobelomhlope4472 MClaren sacrificed reliability to get more speed, Renault could have been faster but prefered to have a little bit of reliability
Without the reliability issues Kimi would have walked the championship in 2005 he was on a different level that year.
I loved this season so much, but damn could fortune smile on our man? afraid not... he was was light years ahead of the competition yet his car failed him. Still these moments when he'd put in a lap like this... Montoya looks crushed, Alonso thanking his lucky stars.
Even with the fastest car he didnt win, you cant complain when your driver had the best car by far
@@vergoncio2628 the car was unreliable he couldn’t do anything about it
@@kodakwhite1696 he should have won all the races that he ended because he had a rocket compared to the renault, he did good but he could have done better
@@vergoncio2628 he drove perfectly that year mclaren and Mercedes let him down with their reliability and engine failures
@@vergoncio2628 Like Alonso in 2007 when he had the best car ? But Raikonnen won
Best memories ever when qualifying sessions were awesome and you could see 20 drivers driving to the limit. Now it's all piling gangbang for the slipstream.
6:39 - is that clutch slip or something?
4:58 - Alonso seems to have upshifted twice or something.
Both of those were excellent laps.
Yes Sam Fischer's comment addresses Alonso's issue. I think the clutch did slip for Kimi there.
@@ciaronsmith4995 How would clutch slip work in this case? Isn't the clutch only really used to pull away from a standing start/pit box with the semi-auto gearboxes the cars have?
@@dominicbarden4436 just because it's not got a manual gearbox doesn't mean to say clutch slip can't happen.
Kimi used a bit of clutch slip plus kept it in 6th gear for the back straight as shifting up to 7th would have meant he'd be slower (momentary loss of power) so it was slightly to do with clutch slip so not to bounce off the limiter
@@ajmalhussain3574 I don't get it. At those high revs I'm sure any slip won't gain you any torque. If anything as the clutch starts slipping it's inherently reducing its torque output for the first period. You get most of that back when it bites again, but it's further down the track with less time left for that torque to have done any work.
JPM, he's such a classic of the modern era. His time in F1 was like a punch to the face.
James for Alonso: "When it's been luck to be held it's always the good luck" One phrase says it all...
one of the best qualifying laps ever. 10-15 kilos more fuel than anybody...
I remember it too. Why Kimi has many fastest laps !, always making up for car failures
Alonso had A DOUBLE GEARCHANGE ON THE EXIT OF THE PARABOLICA
What a amazing sound
i remember that day
Young Kimi vs Max on the same car would be an epic battle..
Hamilton would beat both
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 You're a f/idiot
@@byanymeansnecessary9329 bruhh... Hamilton couldn't even beat a 2007 Kimi fighting with a Ferrari and Bridgestone that never suited him.... Nope
@F1gilles and Kimi was driving a car and a tyre that he's never driven before in 2007.... Lewis did extensive testing of the 2007 car and was quite involved with it's development from 2006 itself.
Either way, yes. McLaren Kimi was so insanely fast that he would destroy current Max in race pace and single lap quali if given the car that suits him. Max on the other hand will have the edge the moment the car is not suited to Kimi. He's more adaptable.
PETER WINDSOR!!! doing the interviewing...Classic.
The 2005 models were the best looking and sounding f1 cars ever made. I miss so much the old f1 era.
ICEMAN
Wow kimi wow ❤
Its too satisfying seeing brundle ripping into giancarlo fisichella. Hilarious
Alonso had a problem with the gearbox on the Parabólica where it upshifted alone while he was speeding up and he had to correct that immediately. He lost a couole of tenths there for sure. He would have beaten Montoya too because his 3rd sector was awesome despite that issue.
Fuel Adjusted Kimi was half a second quicker than Montoya and 7 tenths faster compared to Alonso. Kimi pitted on Lap 25, Alonso pitted on Lap 19, Montoya pitted on Lap 20! Kimi had 6 laps more fuel than Alonso and 5 laps more fuel than Montoya, yet was still 0.175 tenths quicker! 1 lap of fuel= half a tenth. Kimi obliterated everyone in this session.
0.250 (fuel corrected)+0.175 (quali gap)=0.425 tenths quicker than Montoya
0.300 (fuel corrected)+ 0.441 (quali gap)=0.741 tenths quicker than Alonso
Let's assume Alonso was faster than Montoya and was a tenth only behind Kimi. Then:
0.300 (fuel corrected) + 0.100 (quali gap)=0.400 tenths quicker than Alonso.
No matter how you look at it, Kimi was unbelievably good. Best ever lap around Monza.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Man... I wasn´t talking about Kimi, I´m just saying that Alonso´s lap despite that problem he had was pretty good too
@@laterreta9734 Yeah Alonso was very good in last sectors of Imola and Monza for some reason. Maybe the car suited those better. Alonso had a good lap. But I was just clarifying it wasn't the best of the session. Maybe he could have beaten Montoya, hard to say.
@Ponfi Don't talk nonsense. McLaren in 2005 was nothing like Mercedes in 2014. Montoya finished FOURTH in the standings and nearly won the title in a Williams in 2003! Kimi was just the best driver on the Michelin tyre. He was unstoppable and super confident, I don't think Kimi even thought about Alonso once, just about winning. He nearly won the title in the third best car in 2003 already, we all knew when the best driver gets in a fast car he would obliterate everyone like in 2005. And turning the engine output down had NOTHING to do with the failures. 3 of them happened in Free Practice when he wasn't pushing, leading to a grid penalty, then the other 3 in the races were hydraulics, suspension and driveshaft. Enough.
@Ponfi It wasn't so clearly the best at all, only at certain points, to compare it to 2014 is delusional, the 2006 Renault was a better car than the 2005 McLaren and the 2007 McLaren was better than the 2005 McLaren too - Montoya was nowhere, and Kimi MADE it look like that as he did in 2003. Montoya was nowhere for most of the season in it, neither was Wurz or DeLaRosa and JPM claimed it was impossible to drive because it had so much oversteer. With Kimi, he was always fast 2003-2006 no matter what the car was. This guy nearly won the title in a 2002 McLaren in 2003!! He also understood the Michelin tyres much better than anyone else. In the middle of the season the 2005 McLaren was the best (not by much). But in the early part of the season (Australia, Malaysia, Bahrain) and late season (Suzuka and China) it was not even close to the best, Renault were much faster. At races like Monaco, Renault had the better car on paper, Kimi just drove like a beast that weekend for example.
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Good old days without track limits
5:35
*Bwoah mode on*
so ordinary
@@MrDicDr bwoardinary? 😜
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I think the name that the MP4/20 should have is diva. Copying from the Mercedes video about the w08
That McLAren was so fast. Shame the reliability
Didn't look that fast when DeLaRosa, Montoya or Wurz drove it. Montoya called it undriveable and only won 1 more race than he did in 2003 and only won 2 of those races in 2005 because Kimi had a 10 place grid penalty.
@@ciaronsmith4995 I can't deny that Kimi it's a better driver than Montoya but why You always talk about JPM like a mediocre driver when comparing him against Kimi? Give some credit to JPM he won 3 races driving a different car in his first year. Also, he lost more than 1 race because Mclaren trying to help Kimi.
@@andresvelasquez5890 I think JPM is one of the strongest of the 21st century. I have said this multiple times and that JPM had the best racecraft and bravery in my view. Beating JPM is on the level of beating Nico Rosberg or Vettel for me. Maybe I was being harsh and you didn't understand.
@@ciaronsmith4995 the car was undriveable because ir suites Kimi driving style. Montoya is better. Cheera.
@@alejandro9531 Montoya said the car suited him fine in late 2005 and 2006. The result was even worse. Please. We saw Trulli beating Alonso. It's clear.
Kimi was qualifiying with the car full fuel lol
I stopped watching F1 when Kimi retired. Alonso is the only real racer left now. The new drivers just don't have the same character and personality. Kimi was unique, everyone loved him.
They're flaming Fisi 😭
With the most dominant car on 2007, a two world champion and a very talented rookie, Ron Dennis failed to deliver a championship in 2007. You can twist the facts as much as you want @Ciaron Smith ...but to everybody in this world that only have one name: Massive Screw up from Ron Dennis. FACT.
Yes, very strange how the 07 Mclari never won any championships... Spygate and all
@@ScotchPolo when you talk about Spygate' that 100million $ fine that strangely didnt look like Mclaren ever actually paid?. A small company like Mclaren would have need to cut staff, reduce costs...nothing of that happened.
Yep. Both of them made driver errors during races that resulted in dnf's....
Ferrari had a better car than McLaren in 2007 anyway.
@@d.a.5135 Lol no
Fisichella was quite the prospect back in 1997-98, not sure what happened to him after. His 05-06 seasons as a Renault driver were truly disappointing, no matter his points helped his team to constructors titles. Mediocre at best.
Fisico just didnt know this circuit, theyre waaay to harsh on him
yeah he did...
If Kimi had a grid penalty, that means that Montoya had the pole position, doesn’t it ?
Reno wasn't the faster car but it was the driver
Nah nothing but luck for Renault
@@kodakwhite1696 naaa..that shit was realiable ,
Didn't Kimi spin in the race
You may be thinking of Alonso spinning in 2004 but yes, Kimi spun after starting 10 places down, (having secured a pole with several laps more fuel than Montoya), and being forced to run qualifying laps all the race, which he would not have had to, had he started from the front. As Mark Blundell said pre-race "Either Kimi wins or spins out". That was the attitude at that point of the season. He still finished 4th despite this, highlighting his crazy speed. Alonso, however spun in Monza 2004 and retired from the race, which was quite incompetent.
Yes, he spun.
@@ciaronsmith4995 that's a needlessly long answer when a yes would do
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