BASS Elite vs Bass Pro Tour: The Ultimate Showdown
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Is it more profitable to be on the Bassmaster Elite or Major League Fishing Bass Pro Tour for tournament anglers? Lets look at several anglers who have left MLF BPT to return to the Elites and check out their average finish versus each other and their average tournament check to find out which organization is better for fisherman? Good versus evil? Bassmaster Elite versus Bass Pro Tour? Here's a small sample size of the returning anglers versus their stats from BPT.
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I have said this for years if they did a tournament competing against each other each year it would be a huge draw. Take the top 10 Elites vs the top 10 MLF anglers in a 3 day tournament cumulative weight I hit it would be a hit. I think people would watch it and love it.
They were not going head to head but we semi had that this past off season where some of the MLF guys teams up with some of the Elite guys for an Olympics style country vs. country face off. I think Jacob and Dustin fished with Scott Martin. MLF vs. Elite reminds me of the late '60s with the NFL vs. the AFL before the merger. Make it no entry - some charity event for kids or something.
I wish they would do this exact thing. Cheers and tight lines!!
Great point! Elite guys aren’t trying to jump to the BPT. Since I’m an older guy I’ve been a fan of the BPT minus what “ Fish Boat Docks” is/has been doing with the organization because it rosters anglers that I was familiar with. BASS had to kinda start over trying to create stars since the BPT took most of the popular anglers. I’m glad some of the big named vets went back to bass. Made bass more interesting to me. Every fish counts is a different animal and isn’t for every pro. To me in recent years scopeadoping has made newcomers dominate BASS. Yes, spotlighting is a problem in the BPT as well, but BASS really seems to be dominated by the rookie spotlight junkies. The tech allows many rookies to jump to the top. Bottom line is if both organizations have live on, I’ll watch the LIVE that has real fishing on opposed to scopeadoping!
They MUST make a change with FFS for the fans, but I don't know if that will actually help. Cheers and tight lines!!
Steve,
1st) the argument could be made that BASS doesn't have as big of following as you claim. Quick google search shows that according to Nielson ( the organization that records and maintains data for viewership broadcast numbers ) that since 2018, MLF has grown steadily at an average rate of 11% to Bass 4%. Both experienced a drop in 2023 with MLF losing 7% and bass 12%. 2024 current stats ( keep in mind seasons aren't over ) show an average number for MLF sitting at 6% and BASS currently at 1.8%.
2nd) As for the anglers that have left MLF to return to BASS. Your analysis was correct. Out of ALL of the anglers there have only been two that have been note worthy. Which I think you could have easily said without breaking down the income ranges. LOL But good job for your break down.
The one thing I laugh as it goes unnoticed. If you look at the Bassmaster page at the tournament results. Prior to the split, Every top ten Bass tournament was 98% current MLF anglers! LOL !!! Which means, the Feiders, Walters, Zaldains, and the current top 10 BASS anglers weren't even a blip on the radar. It took the top anglers in the sport leaving to leave for the MLF, to give the BASS anglers of today even the slightest chance!! LOL
One thing I'm concerned about, is the growing division between the fan bases, as they have become toxic ( from what I've seen online its mostly BASS fans that have gotten unruly and gotten their panties in a bunch ).
As always, Good video and opinion.....
The names left B.A.S.S. to go to mlf. And most are still there. If you look at website stats, which can be manipulated, B.A.S.S. is way bigger. I think the tv ratings are a great equalizer. Most the the guys on bass who are really crazy successful wouldn’t be if those big names were still with bass. Amazing comment. Truthfully, I thought it would have been more for B.A.S.S. than mlf but I think overall mlf anglers have done better in long run. Cheers and tight lines!!
For those that won't make the cut would it be better to go to the TW "minor league" or BASS "minor league"? Which gives them the best change to get called up to the big leagues? Looking at the top 10 in AOY I think MLF has the more talented guys
MLF has the names IMO also. I think moving down can help an angler but at the same time hurt him with sponsorships. But I could be wrong. Moving down usually means your not gonna be able to move back up. The Opens are stacked with some of the best anglers out there. Cheers and tight lines!!
You would think MLF would be better since you get a minimum of 10k and have a 50% chance of cashing in. BASS I believe you only have a 33% chance if getting a check but I could be wrong. With MLF you also have a chance for extra money with Redcrest, Heavy Hitters, and the team event. I guess it comes down to 5 fish vs every fish counts and what the angler prefers. I enjoy your videos. I'm a Stat nerd and appreciate the work that you do to break everything down.
50% get a full check, another 15% get a partial check below the cut.
Just an FYI, I would have replied to this, but @bassmasterofficial know a HELL OF A LOT more than me. Thank you for the comment and being part of the fam!! Cheers and tight lines!!
You have to look at sponsorship money as well. Not easy to do being most pros are not exactly open about how much money they make from their sponsors. Some anglers may have made more money moving back to bass due to bigger pay checks from their sponsors. We know that some of these bigger name guys make their living off their sponsors not the winnings. With all that said it will be interesting to see how the sponsors will react to the reduction of the field in the BPT. As an angler you will be able to pitch more view time because of simple statistics. With a smaller field you have a better chance at getting more screen time. It is an interesting concept and only time will tell if it works.
Sponsorship money is really hard to track or believe. Some of the bottom anglers say that make 100-180k and that just doesn’t seem correct since they don’t get tv time and zero social media exposure. Many anglers don’t make money for years, sleep in their car and other stuff just to be a professional angler. Thanks for an amazing insight and comment. Cheers!!
Thanks Steve!
Thank you!! Cheers and tight lines!!
I agree BASS has a bigger following but I think the concentration by the new anglers to be social media fisherman, FFS, and the rule debacles are hurting them and tournament fishing in general IMO.
Yeah, the old days of anglers selling a product does happen, but an angler with a huge following is selling a TON more. Scary scene! Cheers and tight lines!!
You want to see how sad the payouts are look up kenta kiimuras winnings dudes cashed in almost 70 percent over 11 yrs and averages out to about 45k a yr lol
Theres a couple guys that might have a higher than 70 percent.... that would take a lot of time to figure out. Cheers and tight lines!!
I’d be more interested in knowing how much they are making off the water from sponsors and endorsements.
@@TheAverageAngler I don’t think most would be up front and honest about it.
@@GetUrFishOn totally agree. As you mentioned the much bigger platform is worth more.
Lets go Steve!👌🤙.
Bobby Lane went back.
The guys fishing the invitationals are trying to get there.
Just a different employer.
The majority of BASS elite anglers better be thanking their lucky stars for MLF
Yes Bobby did go back, I was meaning at point in time but you are correct. And he went back because of sponsorships. Cheers!!
@@GetUrFishOnpartially true. He couldn’t make the elites falling short one place. In order to maintain sponsorship AND making better money, bpt was the better option.
here is the issue
and like u say I do stuff by researching or data
Maybe because I own a coding company for 26 years
ok
bass "pro"
is not real to a fault
now in early 2000s oooo yea it was great
why ????
here is why
they had out the industry sponsors
so until bass to mlf get out the industry sponsors
it will not support a angler on tour
sad thing is they can fix it
but must have business mind set
We might see a train wreck again soon. Thanks for the great comment. Cheers and tight lines!!
Whats this all about? It's obvious it better to be the owner of any circuit collect 30 percent off each entry easy momey😂 all the circuits are reserved for the elites average working man lasts about 5 yrs before they blow their life savings
lol most of these guys should stick with a real career fishing ain’t gonna make 95% of anglers anything other than broke.
You guys can’t see that ffs is going to cause a lot of short career s for the overwhelming majority of the so called pros. KVD bowed out for a reason live tech is not fishing and makes for a boring time fishing no thanks.
I’m my opinion ffs sends the wrong message. It’s no different than hunting deer, or any other game in a pen. There’s no sense of pride, or accomplishment in it. Unfortunately until another company ponies up the sponsorship dollars that ffs companies do, it’s not going anywhere.
He bowed out cause he’s made his money and doesn’t have to do it anymore. KVD is an anomaly. if FFS is easy, cheating, no skill involved, then I’m not sure why KVD wouldn’t be able to use it and dominate the rest of the field. Or Randy Blaukatt, or any other angler that complains about it for that reason, should be able to own these unskilled anglers using it to win tournaments. But curiously they aren’t. It very much is a different skill set and yes it’s changing the sport. But it’s not hurting the fishing industry.
@@hankdausman8653
It is hurting anglers who don’t want to fish this way. It ain’t fishing it’s hunting with live tech it ain’t fair it’s gonna ruin tournament fishing at all levels,
@@winstonrocco1981 so now we're having a pity party for anglers who cant fish how they want and make money? I guess im the only one that doesn't feel bad for these "pros" because they cant make a living throwing plastic baits in shallow cover. I would gladly trade places with any of them if learning livescope is too hard.
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It’s simple most anglers don’t want to fish that way. Starring at a screen in the middle of the lake just isn’t something most want to do.
Have you even watched these scopers? Boring.
I camt beileve the gman has never won an elite tourney, convert his stats to an mlb pitcher dude would of been fired in 2008
At one time there was an article saying that he might be the most overrated angler.... he and his wife did not like that article....LOL Cheers and tight lines!!
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Always!! Cheers and tight lines!!
I think they made a mistake, going back to bass, based on the payout,except one. MLF still has one no entry fee, for 30 anglers, heavy hitters, where big bass each day is 10,000 for first 2 day's, then 25, 000, then 100,000 last day, and 100,000 for tournament or 200,000 for one day as J Lee did. Still think the top 50 from each tour super league, no FFS.
I don't know what is better, but I can't stand to watch every fish counts.
Most are getting tired of the old and lack luster 5 fish.
I can respect that. I like the conservation with MLF, but love watching all fishing. Cheers and tight lines!!