How The Back Four Killed The Traditional Winger

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  • čas přidán 14. 11. 2016
  • How the back four killed the traditional winger.
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    Jonathan Wilson discusses Gusztab Sebes' Hungary, in 1953, and their early use of a back four. This neutralised the traditional winger, and football changed forever.
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Komentáře • 107

  • @recruitmentch
    @recruitmentch Před 7 lety +65

    The unbelievable reality is that we're nearing 2017 and yet English football is still pretty much in love with the pacey yet bereft of technique winger, and the lumpy center forward. Power and Pace are still the two most admired attributes in the British game, no matter how many times it gets found out easily.

    • @TheEpicTechnology
      @TheEpicTechnology Před 7 lety +27

      Roz Sa and that's exactly why English clubs fail constantly in Europe. Once Sir Alex left, English clubs also died in Europe.

    • @mattmoore804
      @mattmoore804 Před 7 lety +2

      Maybe the national team but not the clubs

    • @allackballack
      @allackballack Před 7 lety +1

      this is pretty much a myth lol

    • @mechkota
      @mechkota Před 6 lety +1

      That tactic won 9 european cups for England. Liverpool - 77,78,81,84, United 68 and 99, Notingham 79 and 80 and Aston Villa 82.
      And even more other international club cups.
      So this kind of tactics have places.

    • @TheLtGo
      @TheLtGo Před 5 lety +10

      Yes, and that place is 3 decades ago

  • @theAlex2577
    @theAlex2577 Před 7 lety +187

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      @Tifo  Před 7 lety +6

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    • @h2obubbli
      @h2obubbli Před 7 lety +7

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    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 7 lety +83

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    • @h2obubbli
      @h2obubbli Před 7 lety +9

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    • @jpeps_8842
      @jpeps_8842 Před 3 lety

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  • @MrSilver8000
    @MrSilver8000 Před 7 lety +239

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    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 7 lety +13

      Appreciate the support!

    • @HenSt-gz7qj
      @HenSt-gz7qj Před 7 lety +7

      to be honest, I just found this channel today.
      after I browse through videos about "secret of football"... :/
      really a wonder why videos from this channel never made it into my "recommended videos" even thou I've been watching football videos the past 6 months.

    • @grahamneysmith2125
      @grahamneysmith2125 Před 7 lety +1

      They've only been producing videos of this quality since summer 2016. If you look at their vids prior to that, you will understand why they didn't have subs lol. I agree, they deserve more.

    • @aminali1623
      @aminali1623 Před 6 lety +1

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      @man4437 Před 2 lety +5

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  • @jeffreysdavis
    @jeffreysdavis Před 4 lety +16

    The detail of using Hungarian Rhapsody as the background music...perfect

  • @homatenindilula2550
    @homatenindilula2550 Před 7 lety +98

    Excellent. I'm addicted to this channel

  • @justist3803
    @justist3803 Před 5 lety +12

    I love that you put Liszt just before you startet talking about Hungary.

  • @janoffsky11
    @janoffsky11 Před 7 lety +10

    Awesome! Please more of these. "Tactics Explained" is top-class !! Thank you for yr work!

  • @AppleJuice-xd5yc
    @AppleJuice-xd5yc Před 7 lety +149

    It saddens me to think that we Germans stole the World Cup from the Hungarians after they beat us 8-3 in the group stages. The Hungarian team is possibly the best team to ever play the beautiful game

    • @andrasszabo1570
      @andrasszabo1570 Před 7 lety +14

      Thank you! The starting XI of that team is still national curriculum in Hungary (we hadn't had a good team since).

    • @JustBalazs
      @JustBalazs Před 7 lety +8

      Apple Juice
      You didn't stole it my friend. You were simply better on that day. There were several bad ref. decisions...but life is like that...

    • @Jayfive276
      @Jayfive276 Před 7 lety +20

      The germans put out a weakened team for the 8-3 game. They were banking on beating turkey in the next game. Which they did, easily.
      German had fresher players while Hungary were much more tired and Puskas was carrying an injury.

    • @stuckupcurlyguy
      @stuckupcurlyguy Před 5 lety +26

      If you Germans weren't so damn good, then Puskas, Cruyff and Messi would all have World Cups!

    • @raysoccer6337
      @raysoccer6337 Před 5 lety

      I honestly agree (half Hungarian)

  • @tathagatamukherjee5794
    @tathagatamukherjee5794 Před 7 lety +2

    the explanations give me delight,the bg music gives me goosebumps..thats the XFactor of this channel..Quality is permanent,trending is temporary.

  • @finusl.7234
    @finusl.7234 Před 7 lety +2

    Great video and channel. I hope that this channel will grow fast.
    could you do a `Tactics explained`about the sweeping goalkeeper style

  • @minatodroger7890
    @minatodroger7890 Před 7 lety +7

    I had to sub these vids are brilliant I hope one can be done by comparing the style of play of the 3 big leagues

  • @jarvis911
    @jarvis911 Před 5 lety

    I love this channel, I just wish the videos were longer I can't get me enough

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    @nogetkikset Před 7 lety +3

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  • @wasimahmed9573
    @wasimahmed9573 Před 7 lety +3

    just a suggestion, maybe try and explain the 3 4 3 formation and why it has been successful over the years ? or the use of tiki taka during the pep era. great video bro!

  • @arjunkchandrasekar7966
    @arjunkchandrasekar7966 Před 7 lety +3

    Another amazing video, I can't believed I've only just discovered it today, nor how you haven't got more subscribers! Such injustice. Also, nice use of "Hungarian Rhapsody" as the background music ;)

  • @Timliu92
    @Timliu92 Před 7 lety +4

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  • @subutaynoyan5372
    @subutaynoyan5372 Před 5 lety

    This is one of the best channels about any sort of sports. Really important to understand the nature and historical evolution of the game. Especially in these modern days where ignorence seems like a trait of the population.

  • @alantan3004
    @alantan3004 Před 7 lety +37

    Initially , I thought the title suggest how in modern football , full backs evolve into wing backs making traditional winger redundant.

    • @andrew7taylor
      @andrew7taylor Před 5 lety +8

      I agree. Data suggests that crossing is far less effective in producing goals than building an attack through the middle. You only need the threat of crossing to deny the defense the ability to congest the centre. For that, you should sacrifice a technically inferior player, a defender, rather than a forward.
      Especially in the last couple of decades, nutrition and fitness improved so much that every team can very easily find two players who can run up and down the field for 90 minutes.

  • @mezmanmerrill7412
    @mezmanmerrill7412 Před 5 lety +3

    The book inverting the triangle by Jonathan Wilson goes deep into early football tactics like the 2-3-5 for anyone who wants a more detailed explanation of the games development.

  • @AndyOlo2000
    @AndyOlo2000 Před 7 lety

    Really enjoy your videos lad well played

    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 7 lety

      Interested to know if you're a fan of the Whiteboard Football stuff or enjoy all our samplings?

    • @AndyOlo2000
      @AndyOlo2000 Před 7 lety

      uMAXit Football I like it all about the whiteboard stuff is great imo

  • @andrasszabo1570
    @andrasszabo1570 Před 7 lety +13

    Jonathan is right of course, but there is another reason why the winger became extinct.
    With the advacement of nutrition, psychical regiments, etc. the field became much smaller than before. Full backs are no longer restricted to their own half, because they can actually run for 90 minutes, so there's no reason to have wingers, too, when full backs can do that job besides their own.
    And because they can support attacks, it's much easier to give them the task of the winger, ie. streching the play, than have them come inside and be a playmaker, too. After all, their mindset - how they're thinking about the game - is still primarily defensive. It's much more logical for the wingers to come inside; after all, they're forwards because they love to have the ball at their feet, either dribbling, passing or shooting.

  • @GustavoSilva-ny8jc
    @GustavoSilva-ny8jc Před 2 lety

    Excellent music choice, matched perfectly with the narration.
    (Now football is also intellectual, like i dreamed)

  • @jareda7214
    @jareda7214 Před 7 lety +3

    Is there a trequartista video ? Cause after Kaka that position changed imo

  • @ptptpt123
    @ptptpt123 Před 4 lety

    Really digging the classical background music..

  • @ahmedabbas2595
    @ahmedabbas2595 Před 7 lety +1

    Keep it up guys, and believe me you'll soon receive the recognition you deserve.

  • @siam9914
    @siam9914 Před 7 lety

    we need more tactical explaining vids like these

  • @MrMooemoney
    @MrMooemoney Před 7 lety

    nice channel really informative..

    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 7 lety +1

      Appreciate it mate!

  • @faxxaznone
    @faxxaznone Před 7 lety +2

    the most intelligent football channel ever! love this channel so much

    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 7 lety +2

      Woo!

    • @faxxaznone
      @faxxaznone Před 7 lety +2

      uMAXit Football i hope this channel becomes proverbial soon!

  • @padraigodeorain9966
    @padraigodeorain9966 Před 7 lety

    Good video.

  • @zeetchelsea
    @zeetchelsea Před 7 lety

    Honestly, I have known Hungary as on of the great team during 20th century
    And knowing now how tactical their approach was against the opponents then, it's sad how come they never won major tournament even though they made to finals and semis numerous times....

  • @Harisankar-ce2vd
    @Harisankar-ce2vd Před 7 lety +20

    please do a video about the Dutch side of 1974, world cup

  • @latifzaman830
    @latifzaman830 Před 3 lety +1

    2323 is what pep adopted when using inverted fullback

  • @shutupMaji
    @shutupMaji Před 7 lety +4

    I wish I could see another version of Beckham play

    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 7 lety +2

      That would be

  • @briandbm
    @briandbm Před 6 lety

    THIS IS MY FAVORITE CHANNEL!!

    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 6 lety

      YES BRIAN! - Danny

    • @briandbm
      @briandbm Před 6 lety

      keep it going please.. fantastic

    • @briandbm
      @briandbm Před 6 lety

      if i may suggest a few topics that need insight is the following:
      1. football academies vs buying talent
      .2. fernando redondo
      3. the Ajax youth system of 994 and why it was so special
      4. the bosman rule
      5. the elimination of the sweeper system

  • @aidanmagill6769
    @aidanmagill6769 Před 3 lety

    Hmmm, should maybe think about updating the graphics on some of these older ones.

  • @Yigawant
    @Yigawant Před 5 lety +2

    I think Leroy Sané is a pretty good winger on the left wing

  • @engespress
    @engespress Před 5 lety +1

    I don't think wingers are dead. Inverse wingers haven't been fully exploited yet, I feel.

  • @TopherPVFC
    @TopherPVFC Před 4 lety +1

    tricked me into thinking there'd be a mention of jon mccarrthy

  • @DOF413
    @DOF413 Před 7 lety

    more pls

  • @theghostofspookwagen4715
    @theghostofspookwagen4715 Před 5 lety +1

    What's the tom and jerry music playing in the background

    • @spaceatlantis3504
      @spaceatlantis3504 Před 5 lety +1

      ​@@jwc2654 An orchestral version. I heard it straight away, and I was very surprised that no one had noticed.

  • @aevi09
    @aevi09 Před 6 lety

    song?

  • @normanby100
    @normanby100 Před 2 lety

    And people criticised Alf Ramsey for having no wingers when he was just reacting to events.

  • @gnfcom
    @gnfcom Před 7 lety

    beautiful

  • @mithaqali9921
    @mithaqali9921 Před 5 lety +1

    Watching this video high asf was not a good idea.

  • @OfoeNelson
    @OfoeNelson Před rokem

    So how did Gigs dominate during his era?

  • @AleksAvramJeff
    @AleksAvramJeff Před 2 lety +1

    Poorly explained from a biased English view where somehow the rest of us are to believe that 1 FA Cup final was so important when in fact it really wasn't regardless of how many Brits watched it. The truth is that wingers got the most fame after the 50's ended, Hamrin and Garrincha had no problems continuing after the 50's as right wingers and other players emerged e.g. left wingers like Gento and his successor that never came to be Dzajic were taking on players with ease. The most problematic thing about this video is that it clearly shows a back 3 of Hungary but it's presented as if it was a back 4 when in reality the dot that represents Zakarias is a defensive midfielder that helped the defense so practically you can't make a video title with "how the back 4 killed the winger" while you're using something that is close to or almost a 4-2-4.

  • @Alwadie07
    @Alwadie07 Před 6 lety

    Just wow

  • @ifeanyikennedy1047
    @ifeanyikennedy1047 Před 3 lety

    This analysis is too complicated for my simple mind to understand. But I give the video a like though.

  • @prayushkhadka6981
    @prayushkhadka6981 Před 7 lety +22

    i read "how back four killed the traditional WENGER " :D

    • @Tifo
      @Tifo  Před 7 lety +4

      ROFL

    • @sld1776
      @sld1776 Před 4 lety

      Some of the players in his back four almost killed the traditional Wenger.

  • @zeeshan11112
    @zeeshan11112 Před 7 lety

    Do a video about real Madrid under zidane

  • @Shakti326
    @Shakti326 Před 7 lety

    Tactics Explained | Zinedine Zidane's Real Madrid, please! #umaxitgiveaway1

  • @joaoatilio1011
    @joaoatilio1011 Před 3 lety

    Today most of the wingers are actually inverted wingers.

  • @Jeremy-fh3bk
    @Jeremy-fh3bk Před 3 lety

    To be honest, the drawing was unclear for me

  • @roomi_
    @roomi_ Před 3 lety

    Joe! What happened to your voice? Did you catch a cold?

  • @mfadli6626
    @mfadli6626 Před 7 lety

    i made the like 999

  • @awskhalaileh27
    @awskhalaileh27 Před 7 lety

    #UMAXITGIVEAWAY1

  • @que3n-775
    @que3n-775 Před 7 lety

    nope, can't play winger anymore. let me try playing middle in the park eh?

  • @IgazenTalksWrestling
    @IgazenTalksWrestling Před 8 měsíci

    Football coming full circle. Now everyone is using the WM again.

  • @lokchucklindryfry94
    @lokchucklindryfry94 Před 7 lety

    Brahms!