I Have Waited A LONG TIME for this keyboard!!! - ZSA Moonlander
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I love ergonomic keyboards, especially the ones that split, since you can stay productive for longer by not being overly fatigued at the arms. So when I heard there was an update from the Ergodox with the ZSA Moonlander, I had to be the one to check it out.
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Cool
Have not watched it yet, but you are welcome ;)
No thanks, sounds keyloggery to me
This sentence IS grammatically correct, but it's wordy, and hard to read.
Hey maybe try attaching the feet on the part closet to your thumb. Bet it makes the orange button more valuable
Could we please have a deeper dive into ergonomics, especially keyboards? Things like pronation, extension, ulnar deviation, etc have been mentioned in a few recent videos but it'd be awesome to see a full explanation of wrist ergonomics and the solutions on the market.
If I'm not mistaken he's gone over it thoroughly in previous ergo keyboard videos
this^^^
a video about what REALLY the most ergo keyboard is would b cool
Taran did a pretty comprehensive video already. that's where the rabbit hole started for me
Whole set up ergonomics. Chair, monitor height, kb, mouse/trackball, etc. The whole shebang.
The best part of this was learning the F4 shortcut. I never knew that!
I knew about F2 to enter a cell so you don't need to double click but never knew about F4. That's going to be a great timesaver!
Came here to say the same thing. Probably time I reviewed the hot keys for excel again as I bet there are a tonne that are useful!
And ctrl+y if you don't have a function key row
@@Oisin78928 what, tnx dude
@@Oisin78928 Well yeah, f2 is how you rename files in explorer so it makes sense for that to be how to rename cells.
As a teenager in the mid-90s, I actually learned to play games before I learned to type. As a result, I instinctly hit the space bar with my left thumb because that is what you use when you jump on PC games. So, it actually does irritate me when split keyboards only put the spacebar on the right.
Well, you just made me reexamine my own behavior and I too hit space from my left hand instinctively. XD
Just FYI, the keyboard is completely programmable. You can put any key on any physical key and it supports custom layers which you can switch between (kinda like Shift that switches to capital letters and symbols instead of numbers).
The default layout is kind of crap, but I think, that it's pretty obvious that you're not really supposed to use the stock layout. It's an enthusiast grade product. Of course you should configure it to better fit your preferences.
Same for me
I also learned to use a pc for gaming, when I put my hands on a keyboard and mouse, I have my left hand focused on WSAD and space bar, and right on H J K L.
Am also quite comfy with A S Z X and arrow keys for the ol' VBA.
This actually made a lot of sense for me, thanks. Left thumb spacebar gang
Loved the Colton letter at 5:28, I didn't know that he was fired yet again
I got one as my first non standard keyboard and James is totally pointing out all the right stuff. It took some time to get used to columnar split keyboard, but the software to configure it is awesome. It also lets you see and grab other people’s layouts which is awesome. QMK on the back end so you can layer and configure to your heart’s content (which could have used slightly more highlighting I guess)
Had mine for almost a year now. Have both Black and White ones, for work and home. I have sold all my other keyboards, I will never need another set again…
I've had the Moonlander for a couple months and LOVE it. A bit of a learning curve but after a few iterations of my layout and a lot of poorly typed messages, I'm a faster, more accurate typer with way less shoulder and elbow pain. 10/10 would recommend, but you gotta take the time to setup and learn your layout.
Hello. It would be interesting to know how the plastic holds up at the pivot points. No idea if you still use this keyboard but thanks for the answer.
@@hatchet646 been using it daily for over a year now, 8-12 hours a day. I'm a programmer and type more than your average person. I've had no issues with the build quality. It's held up wonderfully. None of the pivot points are plastic on plastic. There's is no signs of wear besides some hair and crumbs under the key cap. (I'm over due for a cleaning) Most I've had to do is tighten the screws on the thumb cluster every now and then. I 3d printed a deeper tenting kit for it that made it even better. All in all it's the greatest keyboard I've ever used. - Message Sent From My ZSA Moonlander.
@@ZilchGnu cool to hear thanks.
Considering how much more time I've been spending in front of a computer, I might consider an ergonomic keyboard. Have you guys considered a deep dive into ergonomic gear so as to provide a buyer's guide?
Linus has looked at ergonomic keyboards in the past, but I think it's definitely worth them doing another video on. A lot has happened in the ergonomic keyboard world the past handful of years. And when you consider the powerful tools that we can now use to program keyboards the old video almost isn't even relevant.
Something that wasn't touched on that much in this vid is that the ergodox is actually still a good product to consider, because you can leave out the wrist rest and rgb (also the tilt kit, but I'd keep that), saving over 100$ in comparison to the moon lander (if you leave out everything its 230$)
in addition to what surferlul said, you could save even more going for something like an iris by keebio or kyria by splitkb, although those are more towards diy options
Would be awesome!
For what it’s worth I bought an Advantage 2 after first seeing it on LTT, after about 3 ish days got up to 30 WPM and from that point onward it didn’t feel like pulling teeth out
Would recommend, especially since you can add things like media keys using the built in software
Not cheap though
Man that looks like a good alternative to my kinesis advantage. I use it for work but it's too much for home and it's not convenient for gaming. The fact that it can double as a left hand gaming keypad is great. Still I think I would rather build a Dactyl, because I really like the curvature of the keys pit.
It's great to have someone knowledgeable about keyboard ergonomics on this channel. Thanks James
I have a Moonlander and it is incredible.
What James doesn't mention is, say you want an function row. Ok. Just add a layer and now when you hit the modifier key (I use the big red keys) it changes your number row to function keys. It is all so customizable.
I got it because I can have a num pad as a layer. I hit the left red button and then boom I have a num pad. I type numbers all day so it is so convenient. The software is awesome.
I would definitively go for dactyl over moonlander in terms of ergonomics
I have the Kinesis adv, Ergodox EZ, and got into building with Preonic and Planck. My current and latest is the Lily58 lyte. I would rank the Kinesis #1 for typing ergonomics but when you try to game using WASD it is no good, and also a little big. Once you get used to layers things change, I don't use the middle columns on the EZ any more, it is about bringing more of the keys to your fingers instead of moving your fingers to the keys. The dactyl may be my next build but it will have same downfall as the advantage... But I still need it😀.
@@Kunu_ I mean, that's a given with custom keyboards usually, often you'd use QMK or similar and that can go even further in depth with one of the really cool features being tap dancing which allows you to make a key do different things based on how many strokes (or total if you code it) which can be useful for anyone
I've had one of these for a few months, and I'm in love with it. I've found that the TapDance feature on the layout software makes a very suitable replacement for a function row.
James : "This keyboard doesn't have an F row"
Thinking to myself "Why does a keyboard needs an AFRO?"
Me after 2 seconds "Dumba$$"
I've got a good giggle out of this comment. What did you imagine a keyboard with an afro would look like?
So glad to see this. As someone with a lot of pain who is more sensitive to ergonomics, the moonlander has been high on my priority list for next buys for some time - even though I already have a kinesis advantage 2
Thanks for the review James! I would love to see more keyboard content - the space seems to be growing recently (as seen in the other comments) and with so many new options I could use more reviews and comparisons from a knowledgeable professional. And my trusty Razer Orbweaver, the Saver of Wrists is in dire need of a successor ;-)
Hi.
I know this is a bit of an older video now, but as I now have a Moonlander keyboard, I want to point out a few things.
I won't get into some of the more obvious details not mentioned in this video, as they can very easily be found on ZSA's website in the front page for the Moonlander, but I will get into the others.
And also, before that, thanks for making this video.
It is always good to get more eyes and attention on these kinds of keyboards.
The video itself was entertaining and interesting.
I also apologize for any typos I make, English is not my native language. (Hello from the lands of Baguettes!)
1:34
This connector connects the thumb cluster to the keyboard half.
Both halves have these.
You can completely remove the thumb cluster if you don't want to use it, or want to use your own or mod the existing one.
3:46
These keys are actually meant to be used with your index fingers.
I do not know how ZSA thought that was a good idea, especially on *thumb* clusters, but it is how it is.
So, no, they are not the principle buttons on the Moonlander.
If anything, this is more made for looks than anything else.
4:09 Yes, you have fewer keys, but the possibility of having up to 32 layers of completely different keys, and each key having up to four actions.
This is not really a limitation for most people that are going to use the Moonlander.
4:14 No, it doesn't have an [F] row, but you can access one in the default layout, or access it using your own layout that you create on ZSA's Oryx configuration tool.
4:27 No, this is not a sacrifice that you have to make, you have the [F] row, and you can configure your layout to even have them on your main layer.
I think that, in general, the software hasn't been talked about enough in this video, and some parts of the video linked to the software makes the Moonlander look worse than it actually is.
It is understandable, but still disappointing.
5:55 I appreciate that you tried it out with the default layout.
One thing I don't like about the default Moonlander layout that ZSA gives it, is that it seems to be more to showcase some features of the keyboard, rather than having a better layout in general.
I would have loved to see you use a custom layout on it, but I understand, because of the short format of these videos, that you were probably not able to do it.
7:13 Again, this is something that can be changed in software.
I won't mention things that can be configured in the software again, as this is repetitive, and you get the point by now.
8:05 One thing to note with the Dark Matter color for the Moonlander, the lighting will be more easily visible through it, especially in daylight or in more bright environments in general.
This can be especially useful when first learning a new layout where you have color-coded your keys, as at first, you will likely look at the keys some time to learn their disposition before being able to learn to touch-type properly.
8:14 That is indeed the case, it is designed to be white, just as it is designed with Cherry MX Brown switches first.
Because they are the default on the website, most people bought it in white with Cherry MX Brown switches, followed by the Dark Matter color with the same switches, which would explain why these tend to get shipped sooner than others.
For example, I have ordered a Moonlander with the Dark Matter color, blanked and shaped key caps, and Kailh Box White switches, whilst a friend of mine ordered it with everything as default.
He got it a week before I did.
That's it !
Thanks for reading my comment, be it someone from LTT or someone from the community.
I hope this comment brings up a bit of clarity and useful feedback, even if it is almost a year-old video by now.
- Atmo
Thanks a lot for that infos
@@jinxat I didn't actually think that someone would ever fall on this comment
Glad that was useful!
It wasn’t useful, it was super useful. Thanks Atmo! ❤
@@vaylx2253 ^^
@@atemoc trying to figure out which one I should go for, Ergodox or Moonlander. Never owned a split keyboard before. I’m a developer and like keybindings. Might at some point switch to Vim as well (in like a year). Thoughts?
I've been using a moonlander for about half a year now. there are a few things i would change but nothing's perfect. this is still waaaay better then any other keyboard i've ever typed on
Got one of these like 6 month ago and I absolutely love it! so many customization options and it looks amazing
I got my Moonlander at the end of May and absolutely love it. I switched to a Colemak-DH layout at the same time, so it took a bit of time to relearn how to type, but now it's great (though I'm still practising daily to increase my speed). I've also got a bunch of layers set up so that my F keys and the num pad are easy to access, as well as a QWERTY layer for games where I can't or don't want to change all my shortcuts. Took a few iterations in the configurator tool to get my mostly final layout, but once I got it to my liking I haven't had to change anything. There are a number of designs available for 3D printed parts to change the tenting or make use of the mounting holes on the bottom too.
I used to be 40wpm in normal staggered keyboard, but I can now hit 50wpm on the moonlander(still qwerty though) after 10 days of using it
This keyboard was the best purchase I ever made. It's just so much more comfortable, and I no longer have pain from longer typing sessions.
Hey, have you caught up w/ WPM compared to your last keyboard?
@@kx1710 The switch for typing was not that invasive for me, but everyone's experience is different. For typing text, it only took about a day to get to a decent speed (40WPM+), and 3 days to get back to my regular speed (100WPM+).
As a programmer, the main transition difficulty came from creating a custom layout (my hands are small, and so I can't comfortably use the thumb clusters for common operations like space and enter), and then learning the locations of all the symbols and F-keys. ~^=`\/+-*&|!@#$:;, and the like, if you mostly type text, that won't be an issue. I'd say it took me about a month to get comfortable.
@Tea And Crumpets! There aren't really any far away keys. There's only one column next to the letters, so the common horizontal distance would be the same as moving between the Q and W on a QWERTY/Z keyboard.
I don't really use any of the other keys in those columns often during typing, so they've not been an issue for me.
@Tea And Crumpets! It probably is a good fit then. The main benefit is the customization, but keep in mind that the more you customize, the steeper the learning curve.
I personally moved SHIFT to my right thumb, and space to my left thumb. For particularly gnarly keyboard shortcuts, I have a macro layer which I trigger by holding the top buttons of the thumbcluster. Common operations for me such as CTRL+Z/Y, ALT+F4, Win+E, CTRL+SHIFT+F, and a few others are all on there, and now don't require doing the whole finger shuffle.
My point is, if you're willing to put in the time, you can easily get keyboard layouts that don't require using keys like CTRL much, or even at all, and you can move other modifier keys to places that are easier to reach for you.
It's of course a very expensive keyboard, but for me it was easily worth it, being some of the best value I've gotten out of any product, but it won't be for everyone. You can always see if there's something available second hand, so you don't take a high risk on it.
I have their Planck EZ 40%, love it. I use a gamepad for gaming, so having the smaller keyboard is excellent for saving desk space, and the ortholinear layout is nice once you get used to it.
Only recently I started to practice proper typing (keeping hands on home row) and I immediately started hating WASD and everyone whose ridiculous idea was to use WASD instead of ESDF; so I made a separate game layer and shifted WASD on key to the right, so home row habits are maintained.
configure.zsa.io/planck-ez/layouts/xKjro/latest/6
The older I get the more interested I get in ergonomics. I recently switched to a trackball on a cushion so my hand position is more vertical. This is still more expensive than my most expensive mech keyboard build but maybe some day.
depending on how much you're into tinkering, you could build something like the lily 58l (there are many others available) with your own switches and keycaps for.. possibly as little as US$100 but more likely closer to US$150. Depending on what board you pick, soldering will be a pain though. I still haven't built my lily because of all the SMD soldering involved. If it's just the switches though, that type of soldering is easy
Welcome to the trackball army...
I switched to the Ergodox EZ 2 years ago and have loved it immensely. Especially since I don't type on the QWERTY keyboard layout, and I have customized all my keys to fit my workflow and hand movement better. I have my trackball mouse positioned between each piece of the keyboard
@@NMZS the smd components are very large and have tabs. It's pretty easy. DO NOT USE a conical/B tip for your iron. Use a chisel/D or bevel/C style tip.
@@NMZS is it possible to get a split keyboard like the lily 58l in a WIRELESS DIY Edition?
Just got mine TODAY and I couldn't love it more. Highly recommend!
Been using this keyboard for almost a year now, and it's amazing!
I have this keyboard and it is soooo amazing. And the software for it is great!
I’m sure someone has already said this, but James! ctrl and + for add row, ctrl and - to remove row. Easier to hit than f4 imo. Also ctrl/shift space to select column or row.
as a left handed mouse user, I love my ergodox for the orthlinear setup, due to the standard stagger direction on regular keyboards, reaching over to other keys with the right hand in the opposite direction can feel taxing and painful, as moving one key over in some cases is really like 1.5 keys over, and two keys over is like 3 keys over. With and ortho design, the distance is less, and much less painful. Am excited to pick this up and try it when I get the chance.
Thank you for covering the niche topic of ergo keyboards! More content please!
I got one a number of months ago and I love it. Best keyboard I’ve ever had.
I have this already and love it, wanted LTT to give it some exposure
Thanks for this overview! I've got mine on the way and paused your video to go see which thumb I use to hit the spacebar, lol.
Ulnar deviation, pronation, extension, I wonder what James does on the side
I want to say physio…but I also think masseuse.
This is the keybaord I want for my main PC, and the ZSA Planck EZ for gaming. Ortholinear everywhere FTW! And their configuration software is amazing.
So you can get use to the arrow keys, or any keys the way they are, or change everything to how you want it.
I've bought this one a day after this video. Fast delivery to Russia. Awesome quality, awesome looking, and it's so customizable, omg... But the learning curve isn't so easy. Some keys are super intuitive, like left thumb = space, others are not, like CTRL+C = Z+C. Thanks, that I can reassign it to any key, or download community setups.
I gotta say, James is one hell of a variety nerd and i appreciate it tbh. Dude has all the important points on the most unexpected products but its still stuff we care about
Just wait till he learns an iris build costs like 250 bucks complete with whatever switches you want plus like any set of premium caps in budget
It's still a build and a different keyboard to begin with, so you're not talking about something outright better, but different.
Just built a Lily58 this week for under $100 total
@@subrezon also have a lily58 user and I think it’s really underrated for gaming and general typing.
@@ricardotellez7060 I actually enjoy my Corne more, to be honest. Before finishing the build I thought like "50% is like a quarter bigger than a 40%, right". But it feels like it's twice the size. I can't even imagine using these absolute freaking chonkers like Moonlander, I'd sooner use a normal 60% than these contraptions.
If you like the Lily - try Corne. It's even cheaper and easier to build, has a much better maintained QMK directory and is just more comfy. I've been gaming on it perfectly fine for half a year, the secret to gaming on 40% keyboards is moving WASD to ESDF, making your pinky do more, and also remembering that your mouse has keys. And a wheel, which turns up and down, and can be clicked.
Idk man but you definitely can't fit a complete gmk set in that budget. A base kit? Yeah sure but that's over half the budget so does it actually fit in there?
I've had mine since January, and I LOVE my moonlander. Hands down my favourite keyboard of all time.
Lol hands down.
I've been using the ML for about 2 weeks and it's really nice. Prefer ortho too so that's a plus.
I've been considering this a while. Realistically I think I'd have to calculate on getting two sets, though I suppose there's a chance I could get the company to pay for at least one. But if you do a lot of keyboard work, having the same layout at your main workstations - home and office - makes sense. I like that you can remove half of it and use the other half as a game keypad, very useful - I've moved on to an Azeron for gaming and won't be swapping that out anytime soon but this is a good design. I like it.
I have the Moonlander and love it. Not a fan of the stock cables, so I got some braided custom length from mech cables.
I have one with Gazzew Boba U4 and it's pure madness... I am loving it...
Took a course on Microsoft office and totally didn't know about that F4 trick.... Thanks!!
I love my ergo dox, so much. Plan to get a moonlander at some point too.
If you are getting one of these for the first time, and use it for coding, i would also recommend learning vim at the same time if you have not. You have to relearn how to type anyways, and the investment is worth it.
Using it for 2 months now, love my Moonlander!
I bought that Ergodox and I love it! I’ve recently cleaned it and changed out the switches and it’s been delightful I would love to get this one one day and I still would love a wireless option but I understand why it can’t be wireless but if that could ever happen I would buy another one 🤣 I’ve debated getting this even though I don’t have any intention of getting rid of my Ergodox ez
I've had it since January and loved it
Using the moonlander since a year or so, and was using the ergodox EZ before that for quite a long time. Never gonna switch
Really sad that you didn't say much about the software. YOu can for example, place the arrow keys on a second layer and use them like normal, but without moving the hand. It's amazing
One BIG missconception in this review - YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE EVERYTHING you dont loose F keys or things like that you have the software where youcan configure different layers and then you can move all the switches, like the arrow switches, to wherever you want.
Yeah honestly this review felt rushed, lazy and very misinformative. For anyone who want actual information on the board, watch Ben Vallack's videos, they're way more detailed.
@@Patrickblox
This is short circuit. They do quick overviews here. Not complete deep dives and reviews.
@@psedog That's fine, but they could've done so without the misinformation.
I have to agree with you ax. For such an expensive keyboard this review sold it short. Every key can have its own switch type. You can easily remap all the keys.
Keep it short and sweet. Cut the fat and give us the meat.
BS. Having a dedicated F row is important to a lot of people. An extra couple of button presses to switch layers for the f row is more than a little inconvenient.
omg this was next on my list to buy. I had it saved. I have been using ergonomic keyboards for 20 years. I have 5 ergonomic keyboards and the razer Tartarus v2 . I want to get one black and white to fit my stormtrooper scheme.
Now I need to know what James is using now
I have my white moonlander with kailh box blacks , I really love them, just some notes that is not so portable than looks like becuase the hex key includes is for tighten up the thumb module so everytime that you move from one place to another you will need to be setting up every time ( but on home office who cares ? )
also other thing that I didn't like is the integrate wrist rest paint quality , I dont know whats happened but I screshed it to remove some dirty, the paint just came off , so I needed to paint it again unfortunately
although it's very nice keyboard and the QMK configurator that ZSA provides it's really handy and intuitive.
The gritty chalky feeling in the keys indicate they are PBT (type of plastic), means they will last longer and not get shiny/slipery over time like ABS does.
I really missed these keyboard videos
As someone who learned to type on a ZX Spectrum (original with rubber keys) I'm amazed how far we've come.
I kick-started the Keyboardio model 100 just recently. Curious to see how the two compare. I know the biggest competition to the Moonlander is the dygma raise. Would be great to get a comparison video of all 3 once the Keyboardio has shipped
I love my Moonlander! great vid!
I was also really happy seeing this keyboard. It was everything I wanted ortholinear and split. Then I looked at the price.
I'm actually really interested in these kind of keyboards now.
I've been wanting to buy one for months, thanks bois!
I want more keyboard content! Maybe more custom stuff?
I'm ordering one in 1-2 weeks. Just got a job at Microsoft and looks like my career as programmer finally got started. I wanna take care of my wrists, hands, and posture in general when on the job so gotta get ergonomic sht. Thanks!
Great choice, I did the same, but mostly for my personal comfort at home.
Let us know how your learning goes with typing on such a keyboard!
I have an ergodox and my F keys are mapped to the number keys on a different (I think they call it) layer. They are actually much easier to press than on a normal keyboard.
I bought a Dygma Raise 2 months ago and I love it. I like the look of the Dygma better than this personally. I was able to get used to the split tying within a day or two since I was used to using the Microsoft Sculpt wireless keyboard. I just wish the Dygma came with a tenting kit but I preordered it. Still unsure about the learning curve of ortholinear layout of the moonlander vs the Dygma raise.
I like my Raise too, I got the first version. I do wish Raise has similar thumb buttons layout as keyboard like moonlander.
I plan on going for the Dygma over this too. Just feels like it does everything better except for not being ortho linear, which I don't really want.
yeah I've got mine and I love it
@@Pado01 in that case I'd wait, I do believe they're in the process of making an ortholinear version of the current dygma
@@8bittim And today it's finally there, how do you think about the Dygam Defy(ortholinear version of the current Dygma)? In terms of the hardware, I love Defy, but on the other hand, I do like what ZSA currently is working on with the software support.
I have both ergodox and moonlander, and I like the moonlander MOAR
Love RGB! You can turn them off! So nice!
Just got a dark matter one for work/school I have and love the advantage 2 but I take it to and from work and it’s cumbersome to carry and with school I need two bags if I’m carrying it (I usually leave straight from work to school and I don’t like the idea of leaving it in my car) so I’m going to leave my advantage on my home machine and try the moo lander for work and school
if they had a thumbstick where those thumb buttons were on the left hand pad (or sold as an individual unit) that'd be an awesome gaming pad as well
Extra points for the sound effects 🤣
I’ve got one of these and it’s dope
As soon as I get a job, I'd probably buy it, simply out of appreciation for how much value the EZ has added to my life. Not sure I'd care too much about it being an "upgrade"
Might be compelling if they make it wireless. This is perfect for wireless application instead of wired. Perhaps with ball type tracking mouse.
This looks interesting. If they have good switch options I might look into grabbing one of these.
There's a pretty great selection. I'd check out their site.
They are not as ergonomic as the video makes it seem, since the keys don't follow any hand curvature. It is just angled.
@@CarthagoMike Still better than a standard keyboard and the ease of updating the firmware to custom layouts are really important.
I've had this for a few months now and really like it. I also switched to Workman while I was at it because there's no better time.
Now the only thing I need is to be able to do a custom layout on my phone
how do you like Workman ? I was thinking about switching to it. Do you use the programmer variant ?
@@antonyhakini Overall I like it.
I'm not entirely sure if I use a programming variant. My layout should be public on Oryx with ID 3yJ7D (CZcams doesn't like the link)
It's definitely very different, but I think after learning it I'll be faster than I ever was on qwerty. Even after only a few months I'm at around 35 WPM, which is slow, yes, but acceptable
damn, gboard doesn't have workman, I was about to say think it does as I know it has colemak which is less used than dvorak which is usually the alternative supported, might have better luck with some other third party keyboard software from the playstore?
(clearly the correct answer is to just only use your physical keyboard with your phone)
@@Lily-white actually I just set that up today... the only one I could find is AnySoftKeyboard
@@dailythenoob any good for you?
I 3D printed a tilt kit for my moonlander, it mounts to the bottom of the keyboard using M2.5 screws. I had to add some non-slip grips because it kept moving around a bit, but now that that part is done, I doubt I could go back to the pronated position. I kind of like the idea of making a stand that holds the keyboards way up, nearly vertical, but I doubt I would like that much, especially since it wouldn't likely fit in my keyboard tray, and because I would be damn hard to see the keys.
This is very cool !
The Moonlander has been made to be modded, and I have seen some seriously awesome mods from the community.
Yes PBT key caps are nice
for someone who wants something a little less crazy, the Dygma Raise is worth a look
Still on a Natural 4000, which is probably the best ergonomic keyboard ever made. Sadly MSFT discontinued it, so time to build my own DIY version of it, with mechanical keys, ofc :)
Aaaannnd just ordered the Dark Matter model
Would have been nice to be able to plug in left or right, and only one the left or right half, bother for cable management as well as left-handed folks, using only the right half with a mouse left.
I went from an Ergodox to a Moonlander and them moving space by default threw me for a loop too xD
My favorite switch is the low profile Kailh blue. I find it to be the best experience overall for me. Give me an almost perfectly flat keyboard with that switch and I will happily type for hours at a shot. Low profile gateron blue is a good substitute. I know that gateron switches are considered superior, but my hands like what they like.
I wouldn't say anything is usually considered superior brand wise lol, as you said, you like what you like
One of the biggest advantages to this is the ease of programmability. That was barely mentioned. That is almost the entire reason I use the Ergodox-EZ and the Moonlander.
Yep. Pretty much every mechboard that you buy from niche stores these days offers QMK or something similar and it's one of the biggest reasons people switch to these kinds of boards.
It was mentioned though.
If people are too deaf to have heard that, then that's on them.
@@tams805 they said barely mentioned, not unmentioned, they believe that it should've been talked about more in depth especially as he then shows himself struggling with the layout which could've been used as a segue into the reprogramming capabilities
if people are too blind to read a comment properly then that's on them
The title reminded me of any group buy on mechanical keyboard parts
Dude, I had the exact same experience with my Moonlander when the space and return keys! I kept pre-maturely sending messages in chat because my right hand would hit enter thinking it was space. Same thing with delete. I swear I've gone through like 40 keyboard layouts by now, but that's because I can't leave well enough alone, and because I use Dvorak.
Hi, I know this comment is 3 months olds, but, do you still use the Dvorak layout?
If so, why do you use it over other layouts? I would be interested in knowing.
I personally use a very slightly modified version of the ISRT layout on my Moonlander, it feels great.
I had used Dvorak before for a few months (around 4) but it never really stuck with me. Maybe I need to give it another go.
@@atemoc I've used Dvorak as my primary layout for nearly a decade. I'm not certain I'd recommend it. For a long time I couldn't type in qwerty anymore, but that's changed with the moonlander, I think it's because the Ortholinear layout separates it from the muscle memory of the regular keyboard layout.
I chose Dvorak because it's the only alternative layout I knew about back when I gave relearning a shot. It improved my typing discipline, I stopped neglecting my pinkies, but it was inconvenient to swap the software layout all the time. That's another problem the moonlander fixes, I can have Dvorak as part of the keyboard and the computer need be none the wiser
I kinda need the opposite of this, I want a split keyboard that has EXTRA keys compared to normal keyboards and I’d just straight up bind an extra row of keys twice since my typing is all over the place and I definitely need to have the space bar accesible for both my left and right hand
You can program space however you want. You could have space on every single key, if you'd want to.
Just get used to layers.
I think the KeyMouse is the best for this type of split ergo format.
Ever heard of the Carpio 2.0? It's supposed to be a wrist support for mice (would in theory work with any). Any idea if it's any good or if you'll take a look at it?
would be nice if they add a PS style analog joysticks on the thumb clusters ( could type without the mouse altogether)
“The longboi” linus is having vietnam memories right now
Please do a review of the upcoming Kinesis Advantage 360 :)
Bro you gotta try key wells, it feels so much better than a flat keyboard. Ortho linear is great, I don't know how I typed before.
I'm using the wireless mouse and keyboard from Logitech and I can't imagine using a none high-speed wireless input system ever again (unless I don't have a choice like at work). I hope more companies start moving their products in the direction Logitech did and I hope Logitech keeps improving stuff
I loved my ergo dox ez. Game changer for macro-lovers.
I'd say that's not that much more expensive than other ergo keyboards. It comes pre-built and has those really nice feet for slanting, most ergo cases are 3D printed and you can't do that. It has RGB, and hot-swappable switches. It's not a bargain, of course, but I think is a good bang for the buck.
Yep. When you shop around for mechanical keyboards, and especially with comparable features, it's actually priced pretty competitively.
Personnaly, I'm a big user of F-keys and this is the major thing that bothered me a couple of years ago to don't have with the Ergodox. I'm a programmer and I use F-keys a lot. And having to press a key to switch of layout where F-keys could be is not pleasant. So what I've done was to put the most used F-keys of my usage (F4, 5, 10 and 11) around the keyboard. F10 and F11 are located on the left thumb section at the top. Now, I can see this Moonlander only have a big red button so 3 less buttons than with the Ergoxdox. I would have to adapt again and this time, only using a second layer to reach enough F-keys. But the biggest change I could appreciate is the angle of the thumb sections which is more natural and reminds me the angles of the Kinesis Advantage but less aggresive. 500$ CAD is a lot of money so I will have to think 10 times before. The best thing in the world would be to be able to pay 20$ for 2 to 3 days or a week to use this new keyboard but forget to see this keyboard on your local store EVER :D
You had me at pronation, but 'scissor each other' is good to I suppose. 😂 Really though this does look great for ergonomics. I spend too much time at my computer to not try to avoid carpel tunnel.
Just got one of these and I'm absolutely starving for tutorials and tips.
I'm waiting for oled or e-ink keycaps.
I just watched this video on distro tube and you guys just uploaded a video
I really like this, but I wish I didn't have to have a allen wrench to tighten the thumb section.
I may put a tent peg on the other side and only use one half of the keyboard for gaming. I'm left-handed so my right hand needs to use the left side of the keyboard with my mouse in my left hand
I wonder if I could just get the left side lol would probably love it for gaming.