Nice video, I hope SH gets covered in the future. As a lot of people are living in the old outdated mindset and recommending the class for newer players, but there isn't much growth out of them. DI, who has had I believe 4 buffs in a row, remains to be so low, and her PS form which feels like gets shackled down by DI. Whenever, DI gets buffed, and PS gets nothing, it closes the gap between the two. But PS is just like any other DPS, requiring all the tripods, five ATK gems, and rest cool downs. Where she's sacrificing her push immunity, free heals, not as much weak points and staggers (transform/cancel transform) just for a little bit of higher damage. PS has had a nice QOL many patches back, with the non-positional version, compared to how she was meme'd on with the old perfect depression nick name. But multiple patches later, she's been power crept back so much, even her DI form isn't too far off in terms of damage. With the amount of investment to make it shine, it just feels bad. One of the KR streamers I follow, Meat of Legoros, had scrapped his PS build and went back to DI instead.
I have an on-again, off-again relationship with my Summoner. She was my first really juiced DPS main after being a Support Main since launch. I've since gone full Slayer, and never been happier in that regard. The Summoner goes off and on my gold rotation. I'm just crossing my fingers that something is done for her next balance patch. Honestly, I think the animation cancelling needs to go and for a few key skills to have their animation speeds improved to compensate. Spears is the big one. Changing it so the last spear is landing when your character does, instead of that being when the first spear comes down, for instance. Removing a Ready Attack tripod and doubling the duration of the remaining one -might- help. Haven't thought much on that one. You mentioning Ready Attack made it come to mind. Really, Summoner just needs to have like 2 or three animations sped up so we can be a bit more mobile and so bosses will back step out of the big hits less often.
The issue you didn't mention is that the rotation also doesn't feel fluent. Summoner really loves animation cancelling just like sorceress, actually even more. However, the actual cooldowns of the skills you want to cancel with each other don't align. And while CO can work, contrary to EO soulfist, it still deals almost z DPS when mastered. Funnily enough, your pets don't even deal the highest amoun of damage, that is still ancient spear. Even full swiftness master summoner which almost completely neglects akir deals more damage. Why not play loyal companion instead, let the bird fly and passively deal more floor damage than all of COs summons combined with almost 0 input on the player side. Pistoleer or Aeromancer on both specs do easy to land and reliable high floor. Summoner just feels sad to play atm. CO deals 0, and Master summoner is like playing the backloaded unwanted child of sorc and gunslinger. No mobility, extra backloaded, backloaded meter gen etc. MS dmg is actually fine, but hitting this damage is incredibly hard. The only redeeming factor is the triple akir combo ib 10 secs, which might be the strongest atropine window of all classes IF the boss is afk for 10 secs.
For me to enjoy CO summoner more, I'd need the summons to do more or have another one and more importantly for ancient spear to not be the highest damaging ability in the kit as its absolutely stupid that the build focused around pets still needs to hit a normal skill to do any damage
Ready Attack tripod on Soulfist is more lenient than on Summoner. You have 6 seconds instead of 5 and that is enough time to fit your main dps rotation (5 skills) in the 6 second self-buff assuming you have high level CD gems (lv9+). On my RS SF I do manage to fit Energy Blast, Tempest Blast, Merciless Pummel, Celestial Palms and Force Orbs in this 6 second window.
well the thing about master summoner, that he doesnt elaborate further on, is that while she has 2 ready attack skills you are only trying to fit 3 spells in 1 window [all 3 of which are instant cast with low animations] and only 2 spells in the 2nd window [which have the longer cast animations]. So while it may SEEM daunting, its not as bad as you might envision but it can be incredibly frustrating to get her full burst off [which includes Alakir, her ultimate, another Alakir, into spear].
It's funny, large groups of people complained loudly about how this class wasn't in the initial batch of classes available. From what I remember, Smilegate reworked her skills during that time to make her better. Now you're telling us that the skills aren't very flashy. So why did we have to wait for her until DECEMBER? No, I didn't use that crappy express combo they did for her and Reaper, I made a Sharpshooter.
Because we already had Sorc in the game and the balance patch that came with it. The rework summoner + balance patch just made it convenient and in line with KR's current/previous patches
They should allow you to aim the pet skills too. Itll make it feel more interactive. Dropped CO ages ago, I hate playing it. the RA needs to be reallocated like they did with gunlancer recently. I think they need to make shurdi more visible too.
IDK how you forgot to mention how Summoner got nerfed 4 consecutive patch and still is much weaker than the average classes. They also use alot more dmg gem CO for example use 8 dmg gems. which is about 500k each so 4million gold investment for lv 10 gems.. They do less dmg than a 2 gem class like Machinist and Demonic.
I remember during Brelshaza many Sorc mains switched to Summoners and I came across so many juiced Summoners, it seemed like the most popular mage class. Then Akkan came out, and t hey all disappeared.
I JUST benched my 1550 Summoner out of my top 6 2 days ago. Deleting my 1520 Pally for an Artillerist. I love my communication overflow but it is one of the lowest dps in the game and utility is it's only real use. Hopefully they fix in down the road somewhere
there is also third build, swiftness master summoner, not mentioned in your video. it's mostly a refugee build for people fed up with the state of CO if they don't want to ditch the class completely, has like half the apm and does drastically more damage for less effort. it has it's issues, but they are much more bearable than CO, no one really plays it in the west anyways tho
Seems you hit most of the important points on this class which is appreciated. The state of the MS spec and also CO is underwhelming compared to other classes. Also the design of the recent fights are not quite mage friendly. I haven't played while it was one of the top classes so idk how it was back then. The recent balance patch solved some of the issues but not most of them, and considering the other problems like ready attack or the lack of mobility. Not fun at progging raids but after you get hang of it you can get some juicy numbers. The sad thing is that in order to compete with other classes you need a lot of investment. Dropped the game after I've realised I have to spend at least 300 euros to just up my weapon from +13 to +16 (pitied most of my taps or was close to it) while everybody from my static had +18/19/20 weap with the same amount of investment.
i main summoner when i start playing this game but when i hone 1580 most content i miss dmg(too long casting of chains/bad cd) i tried swap to swift build but still summoner struggling with actual kit.
I really liked my summoner but i need it to leave her out of my main 6. She just sucks for the raids after Brel. Her animations on MS are too long with 0 movement skills. CO build on the other hand is zdps. My Reflux double the damage of CO. I really want and hope to see reworks for the summoner and sorc.
honestly i dont see any other class i wanna play since most of them i already have as my gold earners and just need 1 more and i have no intrest to make breaker and my dps is already bad xD so ill prob go with overflow hopefully get her to 1580 before the exspress ends
It's a horrible class. I wasted a power pass on it. Korean developers cannot create a proper pet class. At least make the minions permanent so you don't have to spam summon and watch them constantly.
I loved CO summoner, but I hate that damn spear, it feels like shit to cast something in a piano class. I tried using the horses instead, but the stronger I get, the weaker the horses became compared to the spear.
@@blabla94567 DPS is DPS, support is support you dont need to play stupid. Bards true damage is buffing others to do damage. + all the shields and DR supports are doing can be conciderd a heal since you prevent damage.
Whoops! I said one out the two DPS mage classes totally forgetting about Arcana. 😅
it's alright, who plays arcana outside of hell content anyway
What's an arcana?
Dps bard*
Thanks for saving us future 1540-1580 passes
Nice video, I hope SH gets covered in the future. As a lot of people are living in the old outdated mindset and recommending the class for newer players, but there isn't much growth out of them.
DI, who has had I believe 4 buffs in a row, remains to be so low, and her PS form which feels like gets shackled down by DI. Whenever, DI gets buffed, and PS gets nothing, it closes the gap between the two. But PS is just like any other DPS, requiring all the tripods, five ATK gems, and rest cool downs. Where she's sacrificing her push immunity, free heals, not as much weak points and staggers (transform/cancel transform) just for a little bit of higher damage.
PS has had a nice QOL many patches back, with the non-positional version, compared to how she was meme'd on with the old perfect depression nick name. But multiple patches later, she's been power crept back so much, even her DI form isn't too far off in terms of damage. With the amount of investment to make it shine, it just feels bad. One of the KR streamers I follow, Meat of Legoros, had scrapped his PS build and went back to DI instead.
I have an on-again, off-again relationship with my Summoner. She was my first really juiced DPS main after being a Support Main since launch. I've since gone full Slayer, and never been happier in that regard. The Summoner goes off and on my gold rotation. I'm just crossing my fingers that something is done for her next balance patch.
Honestly, I think the animation cancelling needs to go and for a few key skills to have their animation speeds improved to compensate. Spears is the big one. Changing it so the last spear is landing when your character does, instead of that being when the first spear comes down, for instance. Removing a Ready Attack tripod and doubling the duration of the remaining one -might- help. Haven't thought much on that one. You mentioning Ready Attack made it come to mind. Really, Summoner just needs to have like 2 or three animations sped up so we can be a bit more mobile and so bosses will back step out of the big hits less often.
What slayer build do you use if you don't mind me asking?. I plan on making one with the next pass.
@@Leeleonardosmith 1-cycle Punisher mostly, but I have a decent Pred set up as well.
The issue you didn't mention is that the rotation also doesn't feel fluent. Summoner really loves animation cancelling just like sorceress, actually even more. However, the actual cooldowns of the skills you want to cancel with each other don't align.
And while CO can work, contrary to EO soulfist, it still deals almost z DPS when mastered. Funnily enough, your pets don't even deal the highest amoun of damage, that is still ancient spear. Even full swiftness master summoner which almost completely neglects akir deals more damage.
Why not play loyal companion instead, let the bird fly and passively deal more floor damage than all of COs summons combined with almost 0 input on the player side. Pistoleer or Aeromancer on both specs do easy to land and reliable high floor.
Summoner just feels sad to play atm. CO deals 0, and Master summoner is like playing the backloaded unwanted child of sorc and gunslinger. No mobility, extra backloaded, backloaded meter gen etc.
MS dmg is actually fine, but hitting this damage is incredibly hard. The only redeeming factor is the triple akir combo ib 10 secs, which might be the strongest atropine window of all classes IF the boss is afk for 10 secs.
Arcana existing: Am I a joke to you
For me to enjoy CO summoner more, I'd need the summons to do more or have another one and more importantly for ancient spear to not be the highest damaging ability in the kit as its absolutely stupid that the build focused around pets still needs to hit a normal skill to do any damage
Ready Attack tripod on Soulfist is more lenient than on Summoner. You have 6 seconds instead of 5 and that is enough time to fit your main dps rotation (5 skills) in the 6 second self-buff assuming you have high level CD gems (lv9+). On my RS SF I do manage to fit Energy Blast, Tempest Blast, Merciless Pummel, Celestial Palms and Force Orbs in this 6 second window.
well the thing about master summoner, that he doesnt elaborate further on, is that while she has 2 ready attack skills you are only trying to fit 3 spells in 1 window [all 3 of which are instant cast with low animations] and only 2 spells in the 2nd window [which have the longer cast animations]. So while it may SEEM daunting, its not as bad as you might envision but it can be incredibly frustrating to get her full burst off [which includes Alakir, her ultimate, another Alakir, into spear].
It's funny, large groups of people complained loudly about how this class wasn't in the initial batch of classes available. From what I remember, Smilegate reworked her skills during that time to make her better. Now you're telling us that the skills aren't very flashy. So why did we have to wait for her until DECEMBER? No, I didn't use that crappy express combo they did for her and Reaper, I made a Sharpshooter.
Because we already had Sorc in the game and the balance patch that came with it. The rework summoner + balance patch just made it convenient and in line with KR's current/previous patches
They should allow you to aim the pet skills too. Itll make it feel more interactive. Dropped CO ages ago, I hate playing it. the RA needs to be reallocated like they did with gunlancer recently. I think they need to make shurdi more visible too.
IDK how you forgot to mention how Summoner got nerfed 4 consecutive patch and still is much weaker than the average classes. They also use alot more dmg gem CO for example use 8 dmg gems. which is about 500k each so 4million gold investment for lv 10 gems.. They do less dmg than a 2 gem class like Machinist and Demonic.
I remember during Brelshaza many Sorc mains switched to Summoners and I came across so many juiced Summoners, it seemed like the most popular mage class. Then Akkan came out, and t hey all disappeared.
I JUST benched my 1550 Summoner out of my top 6 2 days ago. Deleting my 1520 Pally for an Artillerist. I love my communication overflow but it is one of the lowest dps in the game and utility is it's only real use. Hopefully they fix in down the road somewhere
No mobility. Gameplay not great. Pets are especially annoying!
there is also third build, swiftness master summoner, not mentioned in your video. it's mostly a refugee build for people fed up with the state of CO if they don't want to ditch the class completely, has like half the apm and does drastically more damage for less effort. it has it's issues, but they are much more bearable than CO, no one really plays it in the west anyways tho
Seems you hit most of the important points on this class which is appreciated. The state of the MS spec and also CO is underwhelming compared to other classes. Also the design of the recent fights are not quite mage friendly. I haven't played while it was one of the top classes so idk how it was back then.
The recent balance patch solved some of the issues but not most of them, and considering the other problems like ready attack or the lack of mobility. Not fun at progging raids but after you get hang of it you can get some juicy numbers. The sad thing is that in order to compete with other classes you need a lot of investment. Dropped the game after I've realised I have to spend at least 300 euros to just up my weapon from +13 to +16 (pitied most of my taps or was close to it) while everybody from my static had +18/19/20 weap with the same amount of investment.
just a PSA we have 26 classes
if we have an equal distribution of players representing each class thats a ~2.5% play rate
2,5*26 is not equal to 100%
@@svenbangberg1945 26 classes 2 engravings
it's 2.04 my bad
@@MostWantedWannaBE also mb, totally forgot about the 2 engravings per class
Summoner was one of the characters I deleted,alongside glavier,striker,bard and sorc,I cant atand spec classes,except blade
I really hope they condensce akir a little next balance patch
Well dang it... i started really liking the summoner lmao
i main summoner when i start playing this game but when i hone 1580 most content i miss dmg(too long casting of chains/bad cd) i tried swap to swift build but still summoner struggling with actual kit.
Playing CO Summoner in Ivory Tower G2 is painful, literally...
I really liked my summoner but i need it to leave her out of my main 6. She just sucks for the raids after Brel. Her animations on MS are too long with 0 movement skills. CO build on the other hand is zdps. My Reflux double the damage of CO. I really want and hope to see reworks for the summoner and sorc.
we need the no one play this class Artillerist *firepower*
I tried summoner, but dropped it because I didn't like it. Fortunately I dropped it pretty early so I didn't invest much in it.
honestly i dont see any other class i wanna play since most of them i already have as my gold earners and just need 1 more and i have no intrest to make breaker and my dps is already bad xD so ill prob go with overflow hopefully get her to 1580 before the exspress ends
where can i find a link to the class popularity your looking at?
loawa.com/stat/classes
It's a horrible class. I wasted a power pass on it.
Korean developers cannot create a proper pet class. At least make the minions permanent so you don't have to spam summon and watch them constantly.
I loved CO summoner, but I hate that damn spear, it feels like shit to cast something in a piano class. I tried using the horses instead, but the stronger I get, the weaker the horses became compared to the spear.
Where do you get the class split %s from?
loawa.com/stat/classes
@@MisoxShiru this is only viable in kr we have way less players then they do
I do play summoner, but I play Final Fantasy XIV, idk why I got Lost Ark video recommended... Wrong neighbourhood xD
This video is a day late to warn me about CO summoner. It does in fact feel like shit to play, 1 powerpass wasted 😢
You said she's one of 2 mage classes but there's also arcana 😅
Oh… hah. Whoops. That’s right that’s a class. 😅
Also bard is a mage class
@@csanadtemesvari9251 He said one of the 2 dps mages. Bard is a support.
@@blabla94567 DPS is DPS, support is support you dont need to play stupid. Bards true damage is buffing others to do damage. + all the shields and DR supports are doing can be conciderd a heal since you prevent damage.
Sorc and Summoner needs a rework. Their skills is outdated for the new raids. sadly. :(
Because it's dogshit. Hope this helps 😊