Ethanol vs. Non-ethanol Gasoline
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- Why do I only buy non-ethanol gasoline? Here's a video I shot to demonstrate why. I also forgot to mention in the video that alcohol in fuel lowers the boiling point of fuel which makes it easier to vaporize fuel in a fuel line which, ones vaporized, is harder for a fuel pump to pump a vapor. They are designed to pump liquid fuel. Thus, creating a "vapor lock" situation where the engine is being starved of fuel.
Ok. All of you are right in theory. However, no matter how you cut it, water in your fuel system is bad news. It fouls the system, decreases performance and corrodes. Ethanol is also extremely hard on engines. Alcohol softens plastic and rubber causing those parts to deteriorate quicker. In addition it eats away at the aluminum parts which in today's engines accounts for the largest part of the engine itself. It creates pitting on cylinders and cylinder walls, causes rings to burn up quicker and causes build up deposits on valves. On the same token water in the engine also ruins the engine and does it even quicker. It causes pressure to increase blowing gaskets bending valves and rust and corrosion on steel parts. These are just a few examples, there's plenty of other destructive values to both alcohol and water in an engine. Ask yourself this. If the government were using an alcohol substitute in fuel do to the increased usage of fossil fuels reducing the amounts available. As well using th adage that it "protects the enviornment". Then why would the use and additive "ethanol" the actually increases the amount of fuel you use thus increasing the amount of fluorocarbon released in the atmosphere? The answer, you use more fuel, this allows for increased cost per barrel and the sale of a huge amount more in the fuel you use. I can only image parts manufacturers and service companies benefit extremely well too. It's all about perception. The vast majority of the people can easily be fooled by the way things are explained. But this is another story with a lot of details behind it. It's no accident the world is in the shape it is. It's no accident that they find more ways to make you spend more money every year. There are no accidents nor coincidents. Pay attention do your homework and don't be fooled. Back to th subject. The guy writing this video is write about ethanol but the experiment is invalid. You can actually use water to remove the ethanol. Ethanol absorbs water true but will seperate it to the bottom as pure gas is lighter than alcohol and water. Therefore buy taking the bottle adding the typical ethanol enriched gasoline add a percentage of water say 40 milligrams you will get back a separation of 60 miligrams. That's the the original 40 miligrams of water and 10 miligrams of ethanol alcohol that it removed from the fuel. It's very basic chemistry. Try it and see for yourself. It's a good way to remove the ethanol to achieve pure pump gas. Those of you whom run boats and watercraft really should understand. Ethanol destroys outboard engines rapidly. It's not that they aren't made as good as the old ones were, it's the ethanol killing them. I guarantee that if you run pure gas in your watercraft, you will double the life of it from those running ethanol. There is a greater amount of delicate parts and obviously a greater amount of humidity in the use of watercraft. The effects are devistating.just ask your watercraft mechanic.
senior chemistry student here: isopropanol is not as terrible as a stand in for ethanol as many of the comments are indicating. Yes they are different but they will both dissolve water and gasoline due to the molecule's ambipathic nature. However, ethanol isn't put in gasoline to improve performance, its put in gasoline so improve fuel economy, causing the actual gasoline to combust more completely. ethanol increases the amount of energy the gasoline can put out. Yes, if you were to use a 100% gasoline formula, you will likely have slightly improved performance but less of that gasoline will be put to use and will end up wasted or will emit larger quantities of methane gas.
You are totally wrong! Adding ethanol to gas noes not improve fuel economy but decreases fuel economy. Alcohol does not contain as much efficiency or energy as the gas and will reduce your fuel economy. One advantage for burning ethanol over gasoline is that it burns cleaner with less carbon deposits left over. But there are way more disadvantages than advantages for burning alcohol.
Jake, I appreciated the video. It was a simple explanation and illustration of what happens to fuel with ethanol. I wouldn't pay a bit of attention to the know-it-all youtube warriors.
Water "remover" you can get at the auto parts store is just alcohol, and as you've demonstrated it's only actually removed as the engine processes the gasoline out of the tank.
Hi Jake, Thank you very much. Finally, I know one of the reasons why my Troy Bilt 5HP tiller won't start up this time (after not used almost 2 years. -- JC Lee
In the colder states they sell isopropyl alcohol at gas stations and auto parts stores so we can specifically do this. (branded as "iso-heat") Fuel lines don't freeze and your car will actually run.
Very good demonstration on the effects of Ethanol.
Yeah, except it's wrong.
The Auto Channel dumbass auto channel
excellent describtion... thank for the info..
Ethanol in my gas gets me shitty mpg.
+***Classified*** Cause it has less energy than 100% petroleum based fuel..
Fred Brillo I know.
smaller MPG but way lower cost per gallon as well. spending less per mile driven on ethanol than you would on straight gasoline still.
seanbcbc Ethanol free gas is only 15 cents more per gallon where I'm at. I use it right before I park my truck for the winter.
In a fresh review of this video I find it to be even stupider than I did 4 months ago. The test you show is exactly why Dry Gas (ethanol) was used to prevent fuel-system freezing problems. So in trying to denigrate ethanol vs. gasoline, you demonstrate its value.
Abu Hassan
Freedom of choice means having the freedom to choose what you want to use. Americans, and most of the world had no freedom of choice; we were forced into using gasoline. For many of those years we were forced into using gasoline with tetraethyl lead (which is poison). Then we were forced into using gasoline with MTBE (another poison). Now we're forced into using E10, instead of having the ability to get E20, E30, E40, E50, etc.
We're also forced into not using CNG by restricting the ability to convert a gasoline ICE to a CNG ICE.
It doesn't bug me that people would have the right to use ethanol-free gasoline, as long as the additive used in place of ethanol to prevent knock is not another poison. If they're going to have the right to choose ethanol-free gasoline then they should have the same right to use any other fuel without the oil industry's lies.
And if you think that Russia has more freedom than the U.S., then I sure hope you decide to emigrate to Russia instead of to America. Enjoy, comrade Abu.
One of the reasons I dislike oil companies is that it has made your people so fat and lazy.
+The Auto Channel
Hey Comrade, please take out your Socialist Security Card; Lick-it and Stick-it to your forehead; then repeat the last four (4) numbers on the cards.
Now stand up, face east and repeat, I'm proud to service the Homeland, and pay tax on my labor. Amen
+nineball26
1. Dry Gas is ethanol, it is used regarding water/freezing issues.
2. Gasoline requires an anti-knock agent for high compression internal combustion engines (passenger vehicles). The original and best agent was ethanol. Tetraethyl lead was used because GM could patent the formula. When it was finally admitted that leaded gasoline was poison, ethanol again became the primary solution. However, the oil industry tried to scam the public again by using MTBE, but that was also poison so it was discontinued.
So today we are back to where it all began, with the best and safest additive to gasoline: ethanol.
Clearly you have no knowledge of this issue.
+Schpankme Verimuch
You're a cloaca. You're an ignorant cloaca.
The amount of alcohol you added to simulate ethanol in gas was far more than 10% allowed
Good grief some of y'all need a hobby or something. Nowhere in here do I claim to be some kind of expert or authority on this. I have no connections to oil companies, our federal government AT ALL. I'm merely showing what occurs when water is introduced to straight gasoline as opposed to an ethanol blended gasoline. Water is not combustible. It either separates or it suspends itself in solution depending on whether or not it is a straight gasoline or an ethanol blended fuel. That is all that I am demonstrating here. The isopropyl alcohol is merely to simulate an ethanol blended fuel. Y'all can put whatever you want in your fuel tank. It's your fuel tank. Me? I'm going to buy straight gasoline as often and for as long as I still can. I do not, however, support a government that forces anything on me. I'd like for the free market to steer things, not the federal government.
Jake I agree 100%..can you put a fuel stabilizer like sta-bil in your car? Or some additive.?
The problem is that your description and assumptions are wrong. Moreover, you make it sound as if gasoline does not cause of create similar situations (or worse). Engine repair shops didn't just spring up overnight with the use of E10 or E15. Vapor lock, for example, isn't a new issue or exclusive to vehicles that use ethanol-gasoline blends.
What we've had with the oil companies selling regular leaded gasoline was not a free market. Having the ability to use whatever fuel you want is a free market, but you can't use "pure" gasoline in a high compression internal combustion engine. You have to use ethanol exclusively or some kind of a blend that uses ethanol, or an additive that mimics ethanol's properties. Tetraethyl lead did that, but it was poison. MTBE worked, but it is also poison. Ethanol is not poison.
Abu Hassan
That's the problem, Abu, everything is what you "heard," not what you know to be true from personal experience.
Abu Hassan Nothing constructive to say? Go away.
Jake White Amen Bro. Too many people with too little to add to this discussion! Look.... most folk who have been through grade 6 science class have heard that water is miscible in alcohol. Same is also true the other way around. You just about nailed it when you said there is less combustion energy than in pure fuel. Pure gas has more energy than pure alcohol and pure alcohol has more energy than pure liquid water. I say water that way because if you separate its parts, you can get useful energy, but that's not what gets put in your tank. Water in its liquid, or god forbid, its solid form does not burn at engine or ambient temperatures and is the real problem. Now.... alcohol has another quality that we learn about a little later at school. It is hydrophilic - meaning it will attract and mix with water from anywhere it has access to it... like the air around your fuel in the south or the morning condensation from the cold metal parts of your fuel tank in the north. Over time, burnable ethanol will become less burnable until it has too little combustable material to do anything useful. So... to summarize: Alcohol makes a little water more burnable (like we use in cold winter areas), but in large volumes it will attract more water over time and be less burnable. If you buy fuel because you like to travel distances, you want fuel that has lots of energy per gallon and does not attract water. And finally, if you are basically buying miles of travel, you should not be paying high prices for low energy fuel because you will need more of it to go the same distance even when it does burn well.
Thank you!
There's only 10% ethanol in most ethanol added gasoline. You added about 100%. Not a realistic comparison.
+Mark Police He's just trying to get the point across. A couple of my uncles and my dad had problems with their lawnmowers and weed wackers during the summer months. I did some research and found out that the gas they bought was a mixture of ethanol and gas. It's kind of funny because I had thought that all gas stations sold gas for the past couple of years. It turns out that there was a federal mandate passed a while ago that forced all gas stations to sell the ethanol/gas mixture. I always buy "Ethanol Free" or "100% Gas" when I can but with all these darn gas stations selling the mixture it's hard to find pure gas. It's only a matter of time before they bump up the ethanol part of the ethanol to fuel ratio.
If You didnt realize - metholated spirits can evapourate water in your fuel tank also so whats the worry .
Methylated spirits, also called denatured alcohol, is ethanol with substances added to make it undesirable for humans to drink. It can make you sick and want to vomit. It also includes methyl (wood alcohol) which makes it possibly poisonous.
Gasoline w/ Ethanol mixed with water will still separate, any mechanic can tell you that. Not to mention the fact that if there's water in any type fuel regardless you've got big problems. Water is non compressible and non combustible, bad day.
1) since the subsidies stopped, most Ethanol gas at discount stations has 5% or less (despite the up to sticker). If a nearby pipeline doesn't pump it or it isn't mandated in a region, the ethanol you're pumping is probably 100% gasoline.
2) Ethyl was an anti knock additive. It didn't burn well but boosted the octane.
2) it was "environmental" based on the whacky way US environmental regulations worked. Hydrocarbon exhaust in a gallon of fluid being burned in a lab. If 15% Ethyl burns 12% less efficiently than pure gas, then Ethyl is 12% less polluting according to the law. HOWEVER, since it gets poorer mileage in vehicles in practical term it is a net zero result, EXCEPT it forces you to buy 12% more gas which benefits the seller, the producer and the VAT tax the governments collect.
But most of us can forget about it. Ethanol died as the governments stopped funding it. If Ethanol Free gas is available in your town, then it is likely most pumps have little or no ethanol in them.
Frank Gutowski. That depends on your city/region (are smog levels above a threshold) and the time of year. Read the whole act and the subordinate enforcement codes. Winter blends above the freeze line have always decreased the % and before 2000 there was so little Ethanol above the Ohio, there were no pipelines from Chalmette LA to carry it. When the EPA mandated it for Chicago in the summer of 2000 it all had to be trucked in, producing shortages, higher prices (that's when gas went above $1 again), and actually increasing Chicago's diesel pollution due to the excessive trucking. When subsidies ended the oil companies no longer got the financial perks for adding it. We're also supposed to have E87 in every station or franchise, find a pump that still works.
Similar to state inspections required in higher ozone/smog cities, but not required in rural counties.
These acts have so many loopholes and targeted enforcement, you can't just go by the name. Voting Rights Act put heavy restrictions and federal oversight over certain states, but other states like California, NY, IL and Mass were and are pretty free to do as they pleased with little DC oversight, since the act barely addressed them.
So where do you live?
Frank Gutowski. You must not work for Colonial or Gulf Interstate, but some is and has been for quite awhile and the maint dept is always fighting corrosion.
Go back to the last line of the OP in this thread. If non ethanol gas is offered in your town, it is likely that most of the gas in your area is much purer than 15% Ethanol. If the city/region is under mandate, then it can't offer non Ethyl in the warmer months. Houston is probably under mandate, as they paved Paradise and put in a parking lot many decades ago.
However if absolute generalizations make you happy then think as you will. If gasoline blends upset you then buy a Leaf or Tesla and an electric lawnmower and forget about it forever.
Happy Days.
if water gets into the gasoline in your tank i would think it would be beneficial to be able to burn it along with the gasoline, so that once the tank em[ties out, fresh, water free, gasoline could be added. an advantage IMO. in fact, many water removing additives to gasoline and other automotive liquids are based on this very chemical process.
So now that the summer temps are up, I'm having vapor lock troubles and in looking around you tube a little bit, I hear that our new fuel has a boiling point of somewhere around 180 degrees...not such a good deal for me then. I hate ethanol fuel. It sucks.
I've got over 300364 km's on my 2002 Grand Caravan and I only put 87 octane with ethanol in it and it still runs like a top, I did have to change the transmission at 285000kms but that had nothing to do with the gas it ran on. I still get the same mileage out of the old girl that I had when i bought it used in 2006 with a 140000 kms on it.
How often did you change the automatic transmission fluid?
Ethyl alcohol absorbs more water ...Ethanol and rubbing alcohol are differant kinds of alcohol and are differant chemicals with differant chemicals...
All alcohols absorb water. They are all HYDROSCOPIC. That's why you can't buy isopropanol (rubbing alcohol) higher than 91% in your local drug store . Ethanol, also called drinking alcohol or Ethyl alcohol, is what is in vodka and many other liquors. One other common alcohol is methanol, which is poisonous, and is commonly called wood alcohol. Indy cars burn pure methanol. They use it because it can be used with high compression ratios and if it ignites to a fire, it can be put out with water.
Tank monitoring systems prevent water from getting to your gas tank. How?
1. Water is heavier than gasoline. Tank monitoring systems have water floats that alarm the gas station to water inside of the tank.
2. STP (Submersible Tank Pumps) are mounted to be 6" above the bottom of the tank. It won't suck water unless the water is higher than 6" -- Tank monitoring systems alert to within 1/16 of an inch.
Your argument as to why you pump non-ethanol over ethanol is moot. There are so many safe guards in place for UST's that it's pure negligence on the station's behalf and would be their liability regardless if you somehow got water inside your gas tank from their UST. A responsible station owner would shut down the product at extremely low water levels, pump the water out until no water is present (pump the entire tank and purge all of the lines in a severe case) and move on about their business.
Sincerely,
Certified Petroleum Industry Technician
I wonder if this is why my lawn mower (which must have non-ethanol in it) died this morning. I emptied the mower and the little gas container, and hopefully, after everything evaporates, it'll work again.
Don't forget, that gasoline, with or without ethanol, only has a shelf life of from 3-6 months. Then it starts to break down into other chemicals, one of them being varnish. How often do you replace your gasoline in your gas container with fresh fuel? If you don't do this on a regular basis, you need to be adding a gas stabilizer, like stabil, which extends the life of the gasoline to 1 or 2 years. I never heard of a lawn mower company saying that you can't use gasoline with 10% ethanol in their mower. Who makes this lawn mower?
Why do they use liquid heat which is alcohol based to get rid of water in your gas?
I can't believe the jerk level of some of the comments. SHAME on them!!!
You’re probably correct in your theories however you added way too much alcohol as the amount of alcohol in Ethanol is a small percentage.
HEET is Methyl alcohol said to remove water from fuel. Since it is an alcohol, using it actually makes the problem worse?? I have a emergency generator that I only use 100% pure gas in. I do add HEET during the winter. Am I doing more harm than good?
I saved my generator from fuel line freeze-up by using a little HEET in winter because is is outside in the rain and snow all day and night and even get snow crystals in the tank while refueling. No, you are not hurting the engine - but if your engine is sitting around all year waiting for an emergency, stabilize your fuel or just keep fresh, completely sealed, emergency fuel safely ready to fill your tank when needed.
HEET is Methyl alcohol, not Ethanol...
Yes, HEET does have alcohol in it to bind to the wqter so it can be removed. But it also has some chemicals in it that make the alcohol/water mixture easier to burn using the gasoline in the engine.
water also freezes, not sure what will happen if it gets cold out and that water starts freezing... slush???
That's why, up north, they use a product called HEET. When it gets real cold up there, any water in your fuel hose will freeze and block the fuel in the tank and prevent fuel flow.
Should've got some ethanol from the ethanol store. $20 a liter. that does the charm.
In the winter when we get water in the gas tank it freezes. The water can come from condensation in the tank, shitty feul handling at the pump....... We add 1/2 a liter of rubbing alcohol wait about 15 minutes. It cuts through the ice and let's the car limp on home
Once again I watched this video. It is as idiotic as the first time I watched it. He actually shows why you would want ethanol in your fuel...to remove the water. With just gasoline the water gets sucked into the fuel line. The ethanol allows the water to be combusted and the water molecules exit via the exhaust system.
lol yes exactly, i thought the same
You are dead on.
...no
The Auto Channel
there's pros and cons to pure gas vs ethanol gas.
I think the guy meant that while ethanol free presents the short-term problem of having to clean out a fuel system tainted by water whereas e10 mitigates that, having ethanol gas creates a bigger, long-term problem when it is left untreated or sitting. It is also bad for the life of your engine, especially if it was built in the pre-ethanol years. Those who have had to rebuild carbs and replace fuel system components regularly know the headaches. Choose what you put in your tank wisely.
So, let me get this straight: you purport that adding alcohol (in this case isopropyl which in itself contains a portion of up to 50% water thereby spoiling your "scientific" test) causes the water to emulsify with the gasoline which will cause the corrosion of the fuel system parts? So, first, how did the water get in the fuel system? Second, are you proposing that leaving the water in the tank (to rust as you say) is better than removing it? Lastly, the proportions you demonstrated, while visually appealing to your supposition, are seemingly ridiculous in the real world. If I had approximately 20% by volume of water in my tank, the first step is that the car would not run (since water is heavier than fuel and would submerse the fuel pickup in only water) so I would not add ethanol-blended fuel to the tank. I would have to have the tank removed, drained and cleaned. If, as by your demonstration, I added a further 25% by volume of ethanol (presuming for sake of clarity that the ethanol you added was pure) then I would be, in effect, trying to use E50 in my fuel system. If it were not a flex fuel vehicle, then, yes, that could over time be detrimental to the fuel system. So, in conclusion, you have demonstrated nothing useful in the real world. Your "science" is faulty and your conclusion therfore baseless.
Jason Horne, you are even more incorrect, Gasoline has more BTU's per gallon vs Ethanol so therefore you need MORE to do the same work which makes it LESS energy efficient. Of all fuels at the pumps Diesel has the most BTU's per gallon and that is why if you have two equal displacement engines one gas the other diesel, the diesel gets about 30% or better mpg...VW proved this in the late 70s with the 1.5 Rabbits as they are basically the same engines with the necessary hardware to each fuel.
+BIGTAZ351 lol no dude you have to think further than your own personal energy consumption at the consumer level. Gasoline and diesel is refined from fossil fuels that have to be drilled out of the earth with massive drills and derricks that cost an incredible amount of money to manufacture and transport all over the globe with even more vehicles than run on gasoline. Then they have to transport that oil via oil tanker across the ocean where its the most difficult to clean up if it crashes as tankers regularly do. Then its pumped into train cars and taken to a refinery and turned into gasoline before once again being pumped into another diesel fueled vehicle to be distributed to gas stations so people can burn it into the air while the sit at railroad crossings waiting for the oil tanker train to go by. Ethanol is made from yeast eating plant sugars and various plant oils. You grow plants which turn c02 into breathable oxygen, provide fibers for textiles and construction, create sugars by distilling plant juices, distill ethanol with plant sugars for vehicles and smokeless cooking fuels, create whole grain flour substitutes and protein supplements and all this can be done on a local level without the need for large facilities or investments. Thats the definition of efficiency.
wrong direction with the experiment. instead of adding ethyl alcohol, you should have taken e gas and added water to show the phase separation and a clean line of the gasoline on top as the ethanol water settled at the bottom.
-1 for a bad presentation lol
the most easy way to check if there is ethanol in the gasoline. is to put a piece of styrofoam in in. (not in the fuel tank). fuel containing ethanol will dissolve the styrofoam. fuel without ethanol will not. i use this trick all day with customers (lawnmowers) claiming they use proper fuel.
I love your accent dude!
ut the amount of ethanol in fuel is around 10% right? try it again with 10:90 ratio
That is not ethanol!!
That is isopropanol!!
I can clealy see the water separate at the bottm of the jar @ 03:20.
water separates in plain old gas it just takes the ethonal with it and takes a little longer. ethonal has been known to take in mostiure it's self. there's a reason plans don't use ethonal gas
I dont understand. Why would I put water in my fuel?
Thx.. That was very informative...
You write below the video that you're in favor of using non-ethanol...but you say at the beginning of the video that you are "concerned" about buying non-ethanol. Also @1:00 you say non-ethanol separates the gas from the water causing problems, engine won't run etc...
You should not simply assume that ethanol and isopropyl have the same effects on gas/water. Re-do the video with ethanol.
Use non-ethanol in your small equipment.
OMG! This guys voice sounds like Joe from Sons Of Guns....Joseph Meaux is that you?
Nope, not him.
tvfan1563 of
while I agree that non-ethanol gas is better, you added way too much alcohol. the ethanol in gasoline is either 10% or the newer 15%
I disagree.....when water goes into an dynamic equilibrium with the ethanol, the water does not behave like water at all.....
He added alcohol which is methanol. May as well have added jet fuel. Plus, gas stations only add up to 10% ethanol and he poured way too much in there. Water? Cmon. It's not too common that water is going to get into your gas tank unless you leave the gas cap off and run your car on a quarter tank all the time. Ethanol is garbage for fuel. Ethane has a carbon chain of 2. Octane- 8. Regular gasoline is way beyond efficient in comparison. With that said, diesel fuel has a carbon chain of 10 and is 30% more efficient than gasoline. Harder to start in colder temperatures unless you plug it in. You don't want ethanol in your gas tank. They put it in there to save money and make a higher profit.
He added isopropyl alcohol or rubbing alcohol. Methyl alcohol or methanol or wood alcohol is poisonous and is the exclusive fuel that Indy drivers use. How about water entering your gas tank caused by where you are buying gasoline. If you buy from a station that doesn't get a lot of business, so their holding tanks sit for awhile before getting refilled, water will probably be forming in these tanks. That's why my parents taught me to never buy gas from a small or infrequently used gas station. You want to go to one that sells a lot of gas and has a frequent turnover for refilling their tanks.
Hey Mr. Co-Publisher put ethanol in your '63 Jaguar E. It'll run reeeal goood !!!
I don't have a '63 Jaguar. I did have a '56 Bentley S1 for more than 20 years and it ran fine on E10. But you must be even more ignorant than you appear to be because no one recommends using high ethanol level blends in an old car like a '63 Jag or a '56 Bentley. So why are you suggesting something that is stupid and inventing a problem to support your ignorant position.
By the way, if you feel inferior or threatened because I have a real job and real experience in this matter, just think of me as one of your very rich, very well educated neighbors who puts his pants on one leg at a time. You don't have to keep referring to me as Mr. Co-Publisher, "sir" will do nicely.
The Auto Channel Why not use e10 in a '56 Bentley? Or as you say a "high ethanol level blend" ?
The Auto Channel Who fixed your carburetor?
mikepa67
Good news, Mike, I found the problem. It's not that you're especially stupid, it's that you have a reading comprehension problem. You ask why didn't I use E10 in my Bentley. I specifically did say that I used E10 in the Bentley and it worked fine.
So you see, when you read something your brain doesn't see or translate all of it, that's why you get stuff wrong. And when you combine that problem with good old dumbness, then you have you.
Of course, I'm only a Co-Publisher; it would take a full bird publisher to really certify your stupidity.
The Auto Channel Oh, I got it wrong, I thought " no one recommends high ethanol blends" and " suggesting something that is stupid and inventing a problem" meant not to use E10. sorry my fault. If I were your very rich neighbor who puts his pants on both legs at a time , I would let you borrow my lawnmower while yours was being fixed. because I'm a nice person.
thats fucking isopropyl. whoop out the moonshine. thatl make it run. it ran my gs 1000 damn good
rubbing alcohol is not the same as e85, water bond to gasoline also. your small test is inadequate and misleading.
Nascar uses 25% ethanol and grand prix uses straight 100% ethanol. They can't be wrong...right?
That would be a great analogy if we all drove Nascar or Grand Prix cars to go to work using Nascar tracks! I think that there are a few differences between the engines in stock automobiles and the engines they use in the Nascar vehicles.
Years ago when we did not have ethanol fuel, we used to buy a product called Heet, which was alcohol, and in the winter we would add it to our gas tanks to prevent gas line freeze, because air in the tank would condense and produce water. Now we have ethanol, so why do we have water in our tanks? Is it because it's not now getting emulsified or what?
In the old days, before ethanol, the water that was in our tanks was there summer and winter. In the summer, the water would be burned along with the gasoline as long as there wasn't too much water present. In the winter, though, the water would sometimes separate from the gas and present small pockets of pure water in the tank and mainly in the gas line. When it got well below freezing, the water pocket would freeze to pure ice and prevent the fuel from flowing out of the gas tank. HEET had some chemicals in that would unfreeze the blockage and also introduce a small amount of alcohol so that the water could be combined with the gasoline and burned away to prevent further freezings. It also promoted the combining of water to the alcohol so that it could easier be burned. HEET is still being sold, summer and winter, even here in Georgia at Walmart and other auto parts stores!
Ethanol doesn't have water, when it volatilize nothing left. no one will add alcohol in the gasoline because there is water in it.
You need to read a book on chemistry. Ethanol was added to gasoline to reduce our usage of gasoline and to increase the octane number of the inferior gas we were producing. The sixties and seventies had no ethanol added to the gasoline. The water is due to the fact that ethanol is hydroscopic (it attracts water) and the source can be from the holding tanks of service stations or from the tank in your car due to condensation.
I guess if you drive a rig older than about 1987 you might have a concern about vapor lock or water contamination. Unless you intentionally put water in there, all vehicles are madated since the 80's by the EPA to have a sealed fuel system. I've been using e85 in my 95 F250 with the distributor advanced to burn it for years and it tends to sit for months at a time. Fires right up, never a problem. While I wouldn't want it in my weed eater over winter, in a car it's fine. I drain the fuel from my small engines in winter anyway... just sayin
Joe Blow Also worth a mention is Henry Ford designed his cars to run on ethanol. He said how can I expect people in rural areas to buy my product unless I'm buying theirs.
So is Ethanol free gas good or bad 😫 lol
After reading the comments i am more confused than i was before. WTH???
Bad for a motorcycle
Water does the same thing with e 10 gas
What an awful demo.
Would it have killed you to get a small sample of real ethanol gas to make the comparison?
Another great idea from our federal gov. They seem to have a lot of great ideas...lol
Someone should call Brazil and tell them about this horrific fact before something bad happens to their cars who most of them run on high blends of ethanol. Eeh wait a minute...maybe something would already have happened by now.....since THEY HAVE BEEN RUNNING THEIR CARS ON HIGH BLENDS OF ETHANOL FOR THIRTY- SEVEN YEARS! And yes - they have modified their cars. The software is tuned for ethanol. Thats all!
Anyone know about how to cure the person blind from ethanol poison by mixing alcohol with some ethanol product.
Go watch PUMP on Netflix right now!!!!
All internal combustion engines can safely and economically use E15, regardless of age. This is proven by Brazil's decades long use of E15, E25, and now E27. They have the same engines as those available in the U.S. In addition, E15 to E30 was used throughout Great Britain from the 1920's to the 1970's. This is also true of other countries such as France and Germany.
My 600+ page book "THE ETHANOL PAPERS" has just been published and it's free to read on TheAutoChannel.com website.
I like premium gas
There is so much wrong in the video, he didn't use ethanol, water in gas will screw your car up. Ethonal will help remove it. The ratio of water , gas and ethonal were out of proportion. Not even a close experiment. Total b s
Ethyl is not the same as Propyl. You added far more than 10% to the gasoline. This whole video is a dud to your point. From the fuzzy frame, I can almost make out a 7, which means you are using only 70-80% Propyl. The remaining 20-30% is water. Small engines benefit from non alcohol infused fuels. Cars and trucks don't really, unless you are running a drag strip. American fuel pumps state there is no more than 10% ETHANOL added. Flop. Go home.
I assume that by Propyl, you are referring to isopropyl alcohol, commonly called isopropanol or rubbing alcohol.Yes, there's only 10% ethanol allowed in each gallon of fuel pumped and 90% of gasoline in each gallon pumped. However, how much water is condensed in your fuel tank, before you fill up at the gas station due to temp changes and how much is in the holding tanks at the gas stations, especially if it is a station who doesn't get much business and the tanks are not refilled on a regular basis ?
Ethanol sucks, it was a stupid gov idea.
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Actually, your little test is invalid. E10 pump gas actually does the same thing with water as pure gas. It's safer to have the water mixed in because it will still burn and run the engine whereas pure water in the bottom of the tank won't run the engine. Ethanol is actually a far better fuel than Gasoline. You can run absurdly high compression ratios, as much as 16-18:1, and get far better efficiency. You will use more fuel but that is well offset by the lower price plus the fact that you can make it at home for very cheap. Ethanol is really just moonshine. It burns cooler and produced more power for a given amount of air. A lot more power. Only thing is that it takes 40-50% more fuel at 100% Ethanol to any given amount of air so you would need to adjust for that. All this hype about Ethanol fuels is bullshit. An E10-E30 mix is shitty, up to 60 is alright and E85 up is no problem at all. The tiny amount of water the fuel absorbs is no major factor when dealing with high percentage fuel.
Wow that auto channel dude really needs to just screw it and get an electric car.
E60 SCREW THAT!!!!
I have a theory on ethanol in fuel as well. Check my page if you want to.
Nervous Nellie is whining again.
Let's understand how this Gas-0-hol or as it is sold today as "Ethanol added" situation has developed to the state that it is at today. Importing oil from forsaken, blood thirsty nations of the Middle East was identified as a problem to be solved. After much discussion, the LESS than "Plausible" solution has been to burden the American farmer to provide a energy "Supplement" to our nations energy needs in the form of Ethanol from "corn". South America had and still has a more successful high grade Ethanol fuel program from a sugarcane source. With the backing of Government enforcement and the wisdom of economical decision making of Private investors. The necessary arrangements to mass-produce Ethanol derived from corn has been done. These Private investors and or Government officials are sometimes one and the same, and expect a "Return" on their investments into corn based Ethanol production.
Here is the "screwy" math used to justify 10% Ethanol added gasoline. The claim adding 10% Ethanol only degrades gasoline by 8.5-to-8%. If you get 20MPG without Ethanol you will get 17.5 -to-17.33MPG with Ethanol. A LOSS of 2.5 - 2.33 MPG to add a 1.5 gallons of Ethanol to a 15 gallon tank of gas. That adds up to approximately 36.45 miles Less from a tank of gas with Ethanol. It would take just short of 2 gallons of gas to make up the loss provided from adding 1.5 gallons of Ethanol. With this somewhat "screwy" math the claim is that less than a half a gasoline gallon is "Conserved" from consuming a 15 gallon tank with 10% Ethanol added. If you consume 34 15 gallon tanks of 10% Ethanol added gasoline you will have used 510 gallons of Ethanol added Gasoline to conserve around 15 gallons of gas. Traveling 9,180 miles on 510 gallons this is about one year of driving to conserve one (1) tank 15 gallons of fuel.
When Gas-0-hol was marketed in the 1970's and failed because the benefit was "Minuscule" at best, back then and nothing has changed today. The financial consequences to produce 10% Ethanol are enormous, it has cause the price of groceries to increase. What is also not factored in is how much energy does it take to plant, harvest, and distill all the corn dedicated for Ethanol production? Whatever that amount is subtract it from the "Nan-0-Scale" of benefits. Ethanol is a Lose-Lose a little more to save less solution. Gasoline as a "Supplement" to Ethanol is an improvement to ethanol as in the form of E85. An effort of producing 500-1,000% more ethanol than what we are now producing is the "Challenge" that seems out of reach. If Ethanol is to be used as an "VIABLE" Alternative energy source rather than a energy "Supplement" as it is today.
+Tony Iocca Lets not misunderstand my point that is well made. I did not say not to use Ethanol. what I did write is not to mix it into the gasoline supply at 10%. I also said the best use is to mix 15% gasoline into the Ethanol as E85, the better way to blend. "Because" Gasoline improves the performance Ethanol "BUT" mixing 10% Ethanol degrades Gasoline.
Some people think Farmers have "Excess" corn. While farmer do grow "Enormous" amounts of corn they would not call any of it "Excess" (an amount of something that is more than necessary) When the cattle ranchers, Pig farms, and Chicken producers place orders that are paid-in-full these figures are used with planning the planting for the next year. Using this information what was sold the year before with other variables that help in planning the next year. This is also known as supply and demand. If you want to use the word "Excess" use it in conjunction with Taxes...
I worked briefly with Dekalb-Pfizer Genetics back in the mid-late 1970's that is how I gained some knowledge about corn, working in the fields growing it. Feed-corn is what is fed to animals, people eat what is called sweet-corn. Animals would also eat sweet-corn if fed it. yield per acre and "preferences" is why differant verities are grown. Learn more about corn growing management on world scales from Archer Daniels Midland (ADM)
Zero science here.
Eric Wright it’s not advertised as containing any “science”. You get what you pay for. 😉
What you forgot to do is to drink the gasoline in order to show that gasoline is safer to have around because you can't drink it. You should have drank some of it because it would have helped to rest of mankind.
Everything you said in this video and on the text description is absolutely incorrect. You are nuts. You are stark-raving insane.
The fact that you are from a channel called "The Auto Channel" and you buy into the fact that the gov is pumping corn into EVERYTHING we consume, from food to now cutting our fuel with it says a lot. Fill up all your vehicles with ethanol and afterwards hit up McDonalds for lunch, you'll have your daily serving of the corn you love so much.
Well my friend, I don't buy into anything that someone tells me. I investigate, study and personally experience things...and then I TELL OTHERS.
If you want to know what I think about ethanol you can either search my name + the word "ethanol" on The Auto Channel website or on Google.
Then, if you think you have anything you would like to discuss or dispute you are welcome to do so. If you have any real information (pro or con) I will even provide you the space to tell it to the world via the Internet's largest automotive information resource.
Just don't respond with empty-headed un-substantiated rhetoric.
Marc Rauch
Co-Publisher
THE AUTO CHANNEL
***** I agree Tantrix. Food companies like conagra and monsanto will be bigger than oil in the very near future. This is politics.. So replace your fuel pump and filter and injectors Mr. Co-Publisher. then grow some corn on your front lawn and wait till ethanol hits 15%
The Auto Channel Your freakin stupid. A child could figure this one out.
mikepa67
Let's say that Conagra and Monsanto become bigger than present day oil companies. Why would that be bad? At least we wouldn't have to spend billions every year to defend arab countries, and thousands of American servicemen wouldn't have to die every year doing it. At the same time we would be helping to bankrupt enemy countries, which includes Russia and Venezuela. Moreover, regardless of how big Conagra and Monsanto became, individuals would still be able to make their own ethanol. You can't make your own gasoline.
And the best part is that corn is not necessary to make ethanol as there are far more and better crops and source materials to use. Corn is simply good in those regions where farmers know how to grow corn and where it's relatively easy to do so.
I know you wrote your comment with no thought and without you knowing what you're talking about, but it's good that you posted it as it gives me the opportunity to explain everything much better to those who are truly looking for information.
I expect you will reply with some additional ridiculous comments, and I look forward to shooting them down, too.
Delete the video, please