$10,000 A Year On K-Pop: How Far Will Fans Go To Support Their Idols? - Part 1 | Talking Point
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Southeast Asia is a lucrative market for the K-pop industry. K-pop concerts are a frequent sight in the region, along with various stores selling all kinds of merchandise of these Korean idols, including albums, accessories, clothing, and more. It’s no surprise then that there are many K-pop fans here in Singapore too. But to what lengths are these fans willing to go to support their favourite Korean idols? And is pursuing a K-pop career really a viable path? Talking Point investigates.
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00:00 Introduction
03:03 A massive K-pop merchandise industry
08:55 Munah takes on a K-pop dance challenge with young idol trainees
15:14 Teen idol hopefuls prepare for their big K-pop audition
18:10 Body image issues and bullying for being 'girly'
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Munah is a good interviewer. She was able to keep up in the workout and showed sensitivity to the poor girl who didn’t fit Kpop standards. I feel like it’s such a tough industry to break into.
I actually respect the fat girl. She knows she has a issue, she works on the issue, and she is respectful of the constraints that her current figure poses as a K-Pop applicant
I don’t know how fit/athletic she normally is but i was impressed that she finished the workout. It looks soooo hard
@@Smoses_senpai She definitely works out, look at all the muscles! :) Very inspirational for me personally.
Who didn’t fit the beauty standards?? Their are many K-pop idols who don’t fit beauty standards it don’t rlly matter as long as you have the main 3
Hey!!! There is no K-pop standard 😂 Lisa, Hanni, Natty, Ditta, Chanty, Chikita… They are very famous pop stars in Korea. Global fans know them, love them. 🇰🇷 Although they look different from Korean people, Korean really loves them. Anybody can be K-pop star.
They say you can become addicted to almost anything, and I think K-Pop is no exception. Nothing wrong with supporting your favourite artist but some fans take it to the extreme which shows something is wrong with our society (capitalism, psychological reasons and the prevalance of parasocial relationships).
Parasocial relationships have been problematic not only in the Kpop music industry but also worldwide as well in other music industries. Even American music industries have this issue as well.
lol blaming capitalism again. Maybe you just hate people having choice.
I feel sad and bad for the girl who wants to be a choreographer instead of idol because her body image issue, i hope the best for her in the future
Dont worry. Guys like Jay Park DJ Soda will still success. Behind the scene folks earn as equal as the idols. Haha. Most important TQ also to the camera men and choreo men. Haha. Very important in determining the chart topping hits.
That's what an "idol" is - Something "ideal", nigh impossible to reach but you want to strive for it.
Why? It's just being realistic. There's nothing "wrong" or an "issue" about it, it's just not what the industry wants. There are loads of pretty girls from other races, or even East-Asians that don't qualify, cuz they don't fit the specific image.
i wish i could give that kid a hug. it breaks my heart that such young kids are being subjected to harsh beauty standards cuz of kpop. smth which was meant to bring joy is destroying a young person's self-love.
I actually respect the fat girl. She knows she has a issue, she works on the issue, and she is respectful of the constraints that her current figure poses as a K-Pop applicant
It's not just kpop though. Any society are usually harsh on girls, be it Tiktok or Western pop standards etc.
Agree with how it sucks that something that you love is the same thing that's hurting you 🙃
Life is tough and full of rejections and disappointments. But if you can handle that, you’ll be a stronger person.
1st of all the kids need to finish education and let them decide when they reach 18 years old when they are mature. don't teach the kids when they are naive
@@gion1988 Most of these groups debut when the people are 14-18, and before that they will have trained for years. If you start training at 18 no one is going to pick them for a group so that defeats the purpose.
As a K-pop lover, I definitely root for these children to achieve their dreams, and I also sincerely hope that they can also take time to take care of themselves too, because they are still young and still have to learn manage their time, schoolwork and health too
Hey wdym by schoolwork coz once we go to korea as a trainee we won't have time for that
In case you
FAILED.
Kpop never equals A Life.
Only part of it.
Never bet your house and your frontal cortex on Kpop.
You will lose BOTH.
@@bobateaworld4211 I see. How long have you been as a trainee?
@weijunching7354 not yet but ik what it's like coz I'm a soloist under cover entertainment starway ent
@@bobateaworld4211 wish you good luck one day. Technically I have seen trainees who still got to go to school while juggling with their busy schedules before debut, from what I read and watched
Marketing makes these Kpop stars look perfect. Meaning they give the perception of flawlessness - no bad breath, no character flaw , smooth skin all day long and having the perfect happy life. But obviously that's far from the truth. I was a K pop fan in my 20s. I'm glad now in my 30s and hitting 40, I'm no longer "controlled" by the marketing gimmicks of Kpop world. Especially when Kpop stars commit suicide so often, it makes me feel that this is one of the worst "influencers " you want your kids to be around .
Body image issues are a hot topic these days... it's common for trainees have grueling schedules and develop bad eating habits just to look skinny and fit into that image. I hope these young people understand that even though being an idol is their dream, their health is the most important and they shouldn't ever push themselves beyond their limit just for a chance at fame.
Sheryl: You are a pretty girl and I like your energy; don't limit yourself, you are very young and as long as you keep going with the same positive attitude and striving for improvements, many doors will open for you :)
Hope these kids know being a popular Kpop idol is harder than being a CEO at a company.
Out of thousands of people. Only a couple are chosen to be trainees
Out of 100 trainees about 1-5 get picked to debut.
Then out of 100's of K pop groups and solo idols. Only and handful are super successful.
Dreams are great but also gotta face the reality.
All the best to them.
Ty oh ye after I debut please support me I'm kuyon btw
You don’t have to spend thousands a year to be a fan. Many of us just listen to their music, watch their videos. I definitely have merch and go to concerts if I can afford but it isn’t necessary. I don’t think fans care we will buy if we want and what we can afford.
Just depends if you can manage. Its also good to buy idol stuffs to support them. ❤
Some people are just super fans. I have a friend who is a superfan of badminton. She with her husband even flew to London and stalk a player in his hotel haha. For me, I just play badminton I don't even watch badminton in tv.
I live in the United States, and I love watching CNA’s documentaries, including this one. Please keep up the great work and release more documentaries!
This is a really good docu-series, the journalist Munah is incredible at story telling and interviewing. As an adult kpop fan myself I often watch outsider perspectives on kpop being very negative and mis-informed, this does a really good job of presenting the determination and dreams of these youngster and fans as well as presenting some of the darker sides to kpop. 👍
Tell me about it. Although I still find this docu too serious and still quite negative haha
Why you need to exaggerate "adult kpop fan" you are not 56 years old like the other woman... of course there are many kpop idols who are also adults, meaning there are adult fans .
@@psgistheworstclubineurope what if I am 56 ??
as passionate as they are i hope these kids arent naive to the greatness of kpop and understand the heavy commitment they must have lol. they are most likely going to move to korea alone, and have to learn and be completely fluent at reading and speaking Korean ASAP
and not only dance which is all they seem to be practicing here, but they have to be decent at singing, expression, and have stage presence. singing and stage presence is crucial.
not only that, they have to be ready to be PERPETUALLY on camera, be exceptional at fan service and content production. like you can see at the end reality is setting in. its very difficult. all the best
K pop agencies : Thank you fans for your money
Singapore : Thank you for your money to use our location
Business: Thank you so much for buying our merch
Fans: AHHHHHHH!!!!!
Sheryl and Nicholas have amazing spirit and courage from such a young age, their personalities shine
It's the community effect. People will usually follow the trend for a sense of camaraderie...the "togetherness". It works the same way with social movements, religion, etc.
Yesss I hate it whenever people say as though it's just a kpop thing 😩
@@ezzatisaid yes, and people can get extremely defensive of their community or religion...leading to toxic behaviour/treatment from "insiders" to "outsiders".
The reverse is also true, people hate on things for the group identity as well. That's why the Malay kid's family is against him supporting it, because k-pop is widely viewed as haram.
2:48 "it's my life, it's my passion" I felt that so hard!
He’s a Shawol too 👀
Another reason K-pop took off compared with J-pop is Korean artists will take the effort to meet their fans overseas with concerts, fan meets, etc. J-pop artists hardly go for overseas gigs as often as K-pop artists even though J-pop artists do have fans overseas.
I’ve been a J-pop fan since 2 decades back when J-pop was at its peak and K-pop was rising.
I have my concern for the teenager girl who dieted to fit the standard.
Its also due to accessibility. Kpop fan content are more accessible internationally compared to jpop content. I feel like jpop is niche cuz they dont cater to international fans therefore being provided with english subtitles is rare
@@btsmochimi7924 Jpop also chose not to expand internationally cuz they feared the Jpop sound would become too Westernized in the early 2000s.
It’s thanks to Gangnam Style, KPOP over took JPOP. Before then it was more JPOP.
Yes in contrast K-Pop specifically tried to expand to the West, with support of Korean Culture Ministry. They export Korean culture including Music, TV, Film, Cuisine. This in turn boost economy also tourism. @@minxili3317
Enjoying the docu-series, small feedback to include subtitles for the whole episode to help those who may not be able hear it from the audio! The partial subs are great, but trying to look at the CZcams captions + CNA subs at the same time can be quite confusing :/
Although I don't dance or sing since I'm introvert, I loved to see them dance, same as idols. Its really giving me happiness.
Until the group that you supported primary get mistreated, mismanaged, on hiatus or disbanded.
Like cupid 50/50 haha
What does dancing or singing have to do with introvert? those things can be done in private
Enjoyed seeing such passionate kids going for it. I'm middle aged but got into kpop as a tween. It wasn't popular back then and my friend's mom imported videos from Busan. It's a joyful thing.
I do worry about the age if how young these kids are though. The management companies are brutal. It's not really child friendly. I hope their families are being hawkish about keeping an eye on things.
Munah's really good at dancing!
Would be interesting if CNA does a documentary on Singaporeans in the other music industries as well (e.g. mandopop)
There hasn't been much success for Singaporeans in kpop, but there has been quite a number who had risen to superstardom in the mandopop industry.
Singapore produced quite a number of prominent musicians and songwriters/composers in mandopop as well.
Unfortunately, there hasn't really been freshbloods who achieved success in the recent decade or two.
And we don't care af all as long as we are determined we gonna do it oh ye btw u will regret this once I go on stage
This comment made Malay and Indian Singaporeans feel left out of the Singaporean identity as usual, l0l .
Just wanna short out to Cheryl: You look absolutely stunning and you are extremely talented! Just believe in yourself and stick to your dreams, and there is no one to stop you if you set your heart to what you love! ✊✊✊
I think it's cool for kids to have a hobby to learn k-pop dance but one should not delude these kids that they have any chance of making it in K-pop. Even if they make it into a training group, it's like a slave contract where you essentially lose the best of your 20s, then what? Everyone looks to the success of BTS and Black Pink but to break into that stratosphere is about as likely as winning the lottery or winning gold in the Olympics. However, learning how to dance is a nice hobby to have. Hopefully their parents are supportive but also give them a healthy dose of reality.
Girly wthhhhh don't stop our dreams coz it's just making us lose confidence and making us lose hope in ourselves why not you go try it before you tell us coz genz rules the world at this point
@@bobateaworld4211 don't worry we're not stopping you from achieving your dreams! it's actually good advice: i hope young kids like the ones in this video will eventually be disillusioned while still striving for the things they love doing :)
@shart6439 well we are not being delulu coz u don't even know how much effort we put into for practice. I literally didn't even eat for a week just to lose weight
Clearly a certain aspect of parenting has failed them. Pity.
Exactly. They are too naive.
I wonder how the positive effects like getting joy and encouragement measure against the negative effects like bad spending habits, body insecurity etc on a hardcore fan/stan.
There could be always be more positive and negative effects from everything tbh.
For example one might "spend more" than others to see their idols in another country, but in exchange the person now knows how to navigate themselves when they're away instead of someone else who chose to save the money and stay sheltered.
You just gotta "pick your poison" I guess 🥲
Nowadaus, idols makes us happy. In the world of danger and full of disappointments, there are idols that makes our day
The cuties dancing to Queencard made my heart flutter, aawwwnnn. 😍😍
The craze is never gonna end
The longest craze ever It even surpassed 6 years J pop 1995-2001
@@szewei85 yes. I used to listen exo ,that's it.
@@jimmy_rizo haha cool
Cna should talk about popularity of Japan culture too (idk if its been talked about yet) but i think the popularity of events like AFA is quite big thing
Oh dear, this is the slow and inevitable descent of Munah into K-pop fan... Don't do it Munah!! There's so much more to life!!
Joking aside, I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
Singapore produces top notch documentaries like this that educate the society about what going on in thei community, whereas Malaysia’s content is all about killing , busting KTV and policitian tokkok 😂
the way my jae dropped to the GROUND when he said txt like i'm so gagged 😭😭😭
Holy moly Singapore fans showing lots of love for k-pop!! Wow!!
Munah showing them muscles 💪🏻💪🏻
omgg i literally watch z-axis i love them sm
Munah is an excellent host!
I was surprised thta craze is epic level and its like a Big thing for Singaporeans to attend concerts and have merchandise!!! This looks a bit exxtreme. A few fans have seen but whole country is crazy about it is very surprising!
Its the same like J Pop in middle 90s haha
5:53 minsung ❤
Aah, honestly, buying albums is just fun. It has the thrill of it being a surprise, and you can share it with a community of other fans. It is important to remember your limits, tho. If you need to choose between necessities or merch, pls go for necessities
lowkey love that SVT is who she was unboxing aha
18:42 girlie you're literally so gorgeous
CD players should make a comeback due to Kpop! I missed having those 90s CD player.
Haha especially with J pop in the 1990s
Not raining on anyone parade, but idols come and go, i still think its better to get a good education
lol I agree but global fame is not something most people ever experience. Plus life is short and boring
Nice topic! Totally can relate to this! 💜
18:32 Broke my heart.
no one but I completely focus on Heaven album of SEVENTEEN in 4:19:)))))
Is this the series where u guys will post abt AGUST D D-DAY TOUR???
I greatly admire how hard these auditioning kids work! Not to mention that super-fan who's delivered food for, like, every company 😆to afford paying for concerts and merch. That takes dedication.
I've never been a super-fan of any artist--but I think it's sweet that all these people are engaging with their passion in different ways, be it through attending concerts or auditioning to become stars themselves. While the fans may be experiencing a parasocial relationship with the idol they admire, they are still enjoying real-life interactions with their fellow fans. So I bet they have more of a social life than onlookers suspect.
I also believe the young auditioners are developing a very strong work ethic that will serve them well throughout their lives. I hope children such as Nicholas come to understand that, even if he doesn't get chosen at the audition, his hard work IS worth the effort. It may simply take longer for him to recognize the payoff in a different area of his life.
That being said, it breaks my heart to hear such a skilled dancer as Sheryl put herself down and diet to such an extreme. I hope an adult intervenes to help her learn healthy, balanced eating habits and overcome her negative body image. Nevertheless, I think Sheryl is also pretty cool for turning what she believes are faults into a slightly different career aspiration: choreography! She clearly has a passion for it, and she could turn it into a pro career or a teaching career when she grows up. I'm always impressed by people who demonstrate the creativity and practicality of finding new avenues to pursue their passions in achievable ways.
Nicholas and Sheryl are such pure souls. They must be protected ❤
2:38 the way i started screaming when i saw the p1h p1oneer vip tag.. i was there too and was vip but i arrived late and missed out on taking pictures with p1h 😭
So thankful am not a slave to Kpop
im so lucky i did not get addicted to this.
Me too I am actually a very hardcore fan since 2008. I am 26 this year. so been a fan for 16 years started out being a VIP. Secondary school period to ITE and halfway poly is really my prime. Can literally do many part time just to earn the money for supporting my favourite idols. But nowadays tone down a bit already because feel like this cannot carry on in my life. Have to take up a career and support myself one day not to mentioned if I wanted to get married and have a family. And yes 10k a year is consider a lot already for a many people. But I would say during the period where I am so crazy, I can literally can spend about 50k a year no joke 😅😅 but mostly is because I love to travel to korea to attend local events such as fansigns, promotion event, music show like mcountdown, music bank and also some local concert like year end daejeon and daechukje. so I count the expenses and flight as part of fandom spending. if never attend those event, then the money is used for PCs or sometimes bulk buying albums to see what benefit and member PCs I get. And sometimes just to get into more popular group like BTS fansign, I bought at least 80 albums just to play safe. But nowadays, less of those. Need to know how to manage financial properly.
pls interviews prime drink in sg too.
I love u Kim sunoo 🥰❤️
7:00 TXT yes ❤❤❤
Singapore's revenue will be more skyrocketted as Coldplay and Taylor Swift will come this month and on March! Ive been a kpop fan since 2ND GEN ERA but i stop on it because i will not able to save 😂
Sure, keep putting your young children in the entertainment industry. Great idea. Not like they get abused at all in various ways 🙄
NO WAY !!!!! I SAW MY EX SCHOOLMATES INSIDE THIS VIDEO👽👽👽👽👽👽
I like this host
The truth is SK doesn't like other race 😢
@@user-kn3xl1gk1c that is true but generally Koreans favour their own people and dislike foreigners, perhaps only idols get special treatment, but even idols get bashed by Koreans when they show support for other countries
@@user-kn3xl1gk1c yeah true but I think it's only idols that get treated better but even then it depends. If an idol appears to support another country then they will get bashed by K-netz too.
I'm not saying that Koreans are racist but it's generally their culture to prefer their own race as supposed to foreigners if I'm not wrong...
As a big kpop fan I Guess I'm proud that I haven't exceedingly spent on kpop, probably have spent under $100 so far in my life. Maybe that'll change when my favourite group comes to Singapore, newjeans. Confirm + chop I going to their concert
Go korea and buy stuff it's much cheaper coz 1 album maybe like $10
same i love newjeans
@@bobateaworld4211 you make it sound like air tickets to Korea is free lol but my friend did recently buy me some newjeans merch from Korea for $10 so yes I'm aware.
@@Chinix no like as in albums only not including air tickets
being an trainee also depends on which company is hosting the auditions; big corp like JYP/SM/YG/HYBE is the better agency while CUBE is the best Trainee company but being an idol is still the big dogs like JYP/SM/YG/HYBE.... the smaller agency run on debt system & initial 7 years exclusive contract looks like a slave contract.. most idol can't stay pass the exclusive contract (GFriend, 2NE1, 4-Minute, SISTAR and Miss A, CLC, Fiestar, Hello Venus, Dal Shabet all didn't get pass the initial 7 years contract).. it's a tough industry as some big agency think the expenses of training a trainee as cost to make more money while smaller is debt driven which is a sad thing as it'll pile a lot of stress to the potential trainee as not all song will be a banger and also good music and producer cost a lot of money to hire unlike big agency who have inhouse producers/mixers and outsourced producer/mixers...
CNA should do one for Anime as well
They did one episode on cosplaying, which is heavily centered on anime
The difference is you can't participate in it cuz it's fiction and animation.
While I don't understand I respect their dedication! Do what you love
Please support me once I hit the stage ❤
@@bobateaworld4211 are you one of the people that appeared in the video?
Why no Singaporean member in a K-Pop group nowadays
I was obsessed with TVXQ in my early 20s but after they disbanded, I lost interest. My mid20s, I was busy working and pouring my blood, sweat, and tears I’m no longer that into K-pop anymore. I listen to it once a while but not a fan
Smart move. If not Korean then there's no need to be involve in everything
Is there a Singaporean idol yet? Maybe 1 of these kids can be the first (or 2nd)? But they really need to prepare mentally, i hope agencies actually have mental health providers on standby for all young trainees! As a casual fan it's pretty wild that we feel compelled to spend sooo much money just to see our bias/group become successful... and maybe this is also a big reason why certain fans think they have a say in idols personal lives? Also, nowadays most major groups could fart on a track and their fans will still support, its barely about music, more about buying stuff and getting them to chart
And me oh ye btw I'm kuyon from starway ent a kpop cover ent in Singapore
$10,000 for me includes birthday and comeback support cos I choose my merch and I don’t buy all but right now I’m minimising kpop.😊
Nicholas was my orientation group leader in catholic high 😂
P.S he’s also in dance cca in catholic high
I’m also buying an Album every now and then even though i don’t have a way to actually play the cd but i did always think that that’s kinda odd😂
You can use the CD as coasters
Thank you 6:45
Woah
Tasha failed despite being the most popular member of her group.
Nobody learnt from her??? 😅
this is just sad
there is no such thing; Jiwoo of Nmixx is not thin for an idol; Jeongyeon is not the same post her anxiety.. of course dancing is subjective.. Jiwoo of NMIXX is still in her teens..
Yoooo Munah is killing it even though she's not a kpopper. Love this CNA. FIGHTING EVERYONE!! 🔥🔥💯
It’s better than doing drugs and illegal stuff.
Not necessarily
The price is heavy if you wannabe in the industry. Not just individuals but business wise it's going to be a bloodbath with a proliferation of artistes. We'll have to see if the kpop fad can last past the next generation.
yeah i relate to him about kpop and my parents often said that's the waste of money but never accepts me as loving as a kpop obsession and i love by boys and girl group band, first its bts then straykids and blackpink
It's okay to like and support your favorite artists or musicians, but please don't get fooled to part with your money to buy junks that will be thrown out in 5-10 years time. The photo card cost less than $1 to produce, you can produce it if you have a computer and a printer for goodness sake. At the end of the day, these industry is a business, and the fans are the cash cow.
I do play my CDs...
Right lolll I got a CD player bc of my albums (plus a lot of cars have it too)
Waste of valuable time & money...Period!!👎😠
👍
The music is all by design and designed so well. It’s thought out extensively, they work hard to make it entertaining audibly and visibly. That’s why people like it. It’s music that someone has put lots of creative thought and hours of sweat into. We don’t get that type of hardworking from other pop music.
Yes!! Gotta love how everything is planned and packaged nicely for us to spend money on and consume. It's a whole experience 🥰
TOMORROW TIMES TOGETHER I AM CRYING
Oh crap...
20:22 relax boy, you're just 13
you will start growing taller when you'll be 16/17+
ik kade wow
how?
sad i wont be able to experience this with enhypen☹️ 0:43
i love kpop so much love blackpink the most and the new group by yg babymonster too blackpink will always be my favourite group ever wont change
When Black Pink retires they will still survive 3 of 4 members already CEO of their own company hahahaha So i wishing all the current outgoing idols 2 be their own boss next hohohoho
I can buy a blouse for $80 worth
As a Kpop cover dancer and Kpop lover I will root for the kids also I was at the BlackPink concert and I bought the light stick for $55 and it’s a good invest for me 😅😅
As a Korean myself I find this Seriously disturbing. Korea is still homogenous and them ever accepting non Koreans as idols is still rare. There’s exceptions like Blackpink has a Thai girl, but still very rare.
Why is it disturbing? They are now opening up this is a positive I can’t say this for any other country
There are more and more international Kpop groups and singers every year. It helps spread the globalization of Korea. It doesn't hurt anyone and reduces prejudices against Asians. What is so disturbing??
did you notice a pattern of type with kpop fans?
Splurging on a concert or two during the year, some merch, and an album or two is reasonable if you are a committed stan.
There's a Half Singaporean in KPOP. Hori7on's Ng Kim Huat/Kim Huat Ng 😂
There's no such thing as half-Singaporean, cuz Singaporean is not a race. You can't be a half nationality either, dual citizenship is not half nationality, it's 2 full nationalities.
Blackpink in your area !!!! Sure they r gonna sweep away all d money in ur area 😂😂
Spending $10K on your hobbies and what you love is perfectly fine. Im all for it
Its our tax money going to the government. Them wasting our money on terrible ideas and projects
all the way Until when reality hit them, then they will return to the real world by than Sent a lot of money already. But must continue if not the companies will die😢