MSBS - Call of Duty Ghosts Weapon Guide
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In this episode: the MSBS - a modular Polish assault rifle design capable of filling a wide range of roles.
The MSBS's damage is the highest within the assault rifle class, and is the only such weapon capable of killing with two shots to the body at a close range.
One burst kills are the norm out to a middle range, where damage quickly drops to a much less appealing 5 shot kill, for a minimum of two bursts.
As a burst fire weapon, your overall sustained rate of fire will be lower than that of an automatic: your maximum possible output equates to around 450 rounds per minute.
Within the burst, cyclic rate is very high, however: close to 900 rounds per minute.
Paired with the high damage up close, hipfire can sometime prove very effective as a last-ditch defence.
However, it is worth noting that the MSBS's hipfire spread is slightly worse than a typical assault rifle - so you may want to equip steady aim, or ensure you're at a point blank range before firing.
Recoil is quite high, deflecting rapidly upwards: although the burst fire mode does much to ensure good fire control.
Nevertheless, the latter portion of your burst may miss your intended mark at a distance, and as such you may often find you'll need multiple bursts to ensure a reliable kill.
Aim time is standard for the assault rifle class, at 300 milliseconds: and movement speed is standard too, at 90 percent of the base speed.
Magazine capacity is the usual 30 rounds for an assault rifle, or 45 with extended mags: given that the burst fire mode of the MSBS will help moderate your consumption, reloads are seldom a problem.
In any case, resupplies are relatively quick - taking 2.63 seconds to complete.
The MSBS is a deadly 3-shot burst weapon, capable of quenching your enemy's hopes faster than they can react.
It deals the highest per-shot damage in its class, and is the only assault rifle capable of killing in two shots to the body by default.
This lethal damage is meted out in a precise package, with the 3 rounds dispensed very quickly - and normally securing a kill.
However, the moderately high recoil and damage drop may conspire to deny you a one-burst despatch, and it's here where the weapon suffers.
A mandatory burst delay means your next burst isn't immediate, requiring a small pause and another pull of the trigger.
During this time, an automatic weapon may have the chance to tackle you, knocking you off target or dealing lethal damage.
Still, with careful aim you can minimise the number of bursts required - and for the accurate player the weapon will perform ably. - Hry
MSBS: 1 burst to kill a human and 3 bursts to kill a dog...
ironic that you got the doge photo haha
phaha ;p
It wears a ballistic vest lol
CallMeSenpaii_ the soldiers doo too look at them there in full gear and bulletproof vest just like war
cooldude 555 i mean yeah ofc but that’s just cosmetic, technically everyone has 100 health in the game. If they dog had 100, it would be useless.
first M16 in cod4, then famas in MW2, then type 95 in MW3, now this. seems like every infinity ward game must have an overpowered burstfire rifle
I would say the M16 in MW2 is also rather powwered
Treyarch had em too dude. G11 in Black Ops, The M16 was apeshit if you knew how to land on the right hitbox. Black Ops 2 had the M8, that shit was diabolical chest or above.
lol. yet no one used burst weapons. this game's no diffrence, 95% of people use the ak-12, the other 4% the remington. the other 1% idk.
***** Your talking to the CoD kids dude. They don't have any logic. There motto is " If it kills me it's OPed."
***** there wasn't any patch to any weapon in the cod series that reduced damage if they did it wont change the 3,4 hit kill it will only reduce the range of said 3 or 4 hit kill
"And that is no BS" i see what you did there stuart.
POLAND 2 STRONK
(nerfs came)
POLAND BALANCED AND STRONK
This is stupid and I love it.
If you haven't noticed yet all AR's with semi-auto are also a 2 hit kill but with sacrificed ROF. The honey badger with semi-auto is probably my favorite and it keeps up with marksman rifles.
yeah its beast, i never use it without, its a melt machine,
dude, i've been watching your weapon guides since MW2. They're always great. Thanks
It's been nerfed and you may wanna do the review on the nerfed version
He won't'
Filip Žižak his secretary or something?
theizza68 oooh salty. I possess this knowledge becuase of the information that was given to me at his other channel.
the nerf did not change the strengths and weaknesses of the gun. It remains stronger at range and with muzzle brake makes kills one burst still
still fucking op
Great job Stu I love how your jumping on them and doing one a day really love how hard your working! Again great job! :)
you should bring back the history of the weapon like what you did in black ops 2. It was always interesting learning about the weapon origins
This weapon never deserved the nerf it got. Infinity Ward nerfed this weapon in the wrong way, and now it is one of the rarest weapons in the game.
Awesome :) I love all the research you put in your videos XboxAhoy
"Truly. the rapid volley of the MS will decieve your opponent... and that, is no BS"
*Clicks like*
MSBS stands for Modułowy System Broni Strzeleckiej
Yay,second polish gun in CoD history :D
cranking these weapon guides quick
Excellent video. Keep up the good work.
Ahoy was right to use this with deadeye. The 2 shot range on this gun is insane when combined with muzzle brake.
First of all, a deadeye head shot kills anyone within the 27 meters before the damage drops off.
You will be able to 2 shot anyone out to 32 meters automatically. If you get just one head shot/one dead eye shot to they body AND a regular body shot, you can kill at 40m. And if you're lucky enough to land 2 deadeye headshots, it will kill out to 57 meters.
This gets even more exaggerated when you use semi auto which doesn't have a negative multiplier for limbs and has a 1.1 multiplier for the body as well.
RogueGhost24 What are the benefits of semi auto anyway?
In ghosts, semi auto and burst had the effect of changing the damage multipliers of a gun. Often times it was the body multiplier which made the biggest difference. Usually they would both be 1.1x damage as opposed to 1.0x damage for full auto.
Semi was a bit difficult to handle in game. I found it was best used as a sniper suppression class - but that niche was already filled by the DMR class which is why nobody bothered using it. Essentially you're using lots of points to build a higher capacity, lower damage DMR.
This game has so many ways to change damage outcomes. Deadeye, burst multipliers, suppressor penalties, chrome lined multipliers, muzzle break/range, rapid fire, and AP rounds. That's why I think burst is still fairly viable. It changes your multipliers and can be use in conjunction with other perks and attachments to ensure the highest kill probability.
RogueGhost24 So you could possibly reach 2 shots at around 70m! I wonder if that means a 1 shot kill? Never played ghosts...
That end quote tho. Amazing.
Another great video Stu
My build on MSBS:
My attachment preference is actually putting Full-Auto with its high damage it proves quite good as the fire rate goes up a lot and it reaps people into pieces.
Second attachment I like to put it Thermal scope,because its a hybrid I use the Thermal main for scouting on long range and the Red/Holo sight for actual combat.
For me it works fine because my play style with it is not run and gun its more move nice steady and deadly.
For perks I like to get sprint buffs like Agility and Marathon in my main slots
with few more personal upgrades.
And I take Specialist and put Scav. so I don't run out of ammo other go into personal upgrades again.
Option:
Haven't tried this but I will as soon as I play again,the extra attachment on it to put Grip/Silencer one or the other depending on the game.
Only game mode where I would use 3 round burst is Hard Core because I can sit back and get long ranged kills easier with thermal.
Although all this costs a lot to have its a good class to invest in.Worked for me hope it works for who ever reads this comment as it is my favorite gun.
Why long range with full auto that too much recoil
Very smart tactic Stu! Leaving the care so people will get to it!
perfect three years later I'm still into this game...this is my favourite gun to use...
The puns at the end, I love them!
Anyone just watch these for the pun in the end?
Add captions and you've got a documentary.
Logi Cat Which is what he did later in his videos!
As always a great weapon guide. Your new style is very fresh. Sadly the MSBS has been nerfed drastically a couple of days ago...
after the nerf this weapon became an unreliable, high recoil, bad hipfire, terrible ironsights, 3 rnd burst AR, not recommended...
Full auto needed.
I used the MSBS (after nerf) and I liked it. I used red dot sight, foregrip, and armor piercing (extra attachment). I know it wasn't the best class set up, but I went completely ham with it
I can't believe how good this guy's voice is.
My last CoD was MW2, but even after so many years I can tell - this gun is OP.
For sights I think the VMR is the best. I got the MSBS gold in about 12 hours of gameplay thanks largely to that sight. It was built for the weapon. Grip and VMR make that gun a juggernaut if you make sure to keep your engagements at medium to medium-long range. You'll have the entire team headhunting you after about 5 minutes but that's what I.E.D's and sentry gun streaks are for. :)
looks like a really powerful class
I miss the history of the weapon's development that Stu would have at the beginning of each episode. It's what made his guides unique. :(
1:09 "Humiliate the next enemy you kill" Stu, or did you leave your tea bags at home?
He's a grown adult.
@@MrMultiPlatform so grown adults can't drink tea?
Eleventh episode already?! Wow good job Stu, churning em out and still keepin' it classy. Haha ;•}
Even nerfed this is a solid gun. F1st just posted a video recently post nerf with 70+ kills. It's crazy they nerf this but don't dare nerf the no skill sniper rifles. Sure they fixed the L11 glitch but the "no Quickscoping in COD Ghosts" was a blatant lie as was AI "emulating humans" when the AI don't even aim down the fucking sights. This game with a few tweaks could be amazing but I doubt Activision or Infinity Ward will make adjustments to make their pre-release statements true statements.
F1st is a joke of a person though.
Oh so true on the quickscoping part and the A.I i was quite excited for squad mode and seeing how well the A.I performs and of course they're still incompetent with godlike aim sometimes.
The A.I. emulates humans quite well on Hardened and Veteran. I constantly get ADS'd from pretty far out, they corner camp and dropshot and jumpshot, it's like playing actual multiplayer.
i saw that pun comming form kilometers away but still awesome
The first 20 seconds are the best!
As always, very accurate! Just like a rifle;)
I love your endings it always make me laugh. Cuz it fits the gun
My Call of Duty Time is over, but I am enjoying it still to watch your videos. somehow relaxing ^^ Next CoD i will play is maybe as a father with his son ^^
Keep your unique good work up!
Greetz from Germany!
I watch the while video just for the pun! Needless to say it was worth it
Oh Stu, you are truly the master of puns.
I got the weapon yesterday and I put on the flash atachment and entended mag it is so op with these atachments
Great job, Stu.
Unfortunately from IW, less than a great job after the nerf. I am a real bad player and was not able to improve much over the past 2 years playing COD.
But with the MSBS before the nerf it was fun, I really enjoyed playing Ghosts. It was my go to class when i was way up in frustration to at least get a little fun out of the game.
I understand all this with too much damage and nerfing the damage done to limbs. But, please why also take off range and increase the burst delay? It is all but ineffective and unmanagable now.
I hope they would reduce the burst delay a little and make the gun viable again.
Enough whining for now ;) Love your work!
love your videos!
MSBS stands for Modularny System Broni Strzeleckiej (modular system of shooting weapon) this is a bullpup version, standard version looks like ACR.
Dead shot has a percent based chance of dealing 40% more damage. With each kill up to 50% chance to deal bonus damage over a range of 4 kills. Once you reach 4 kills dead eye will have a 50% chance to deal extra damage.
Stuart, all of your Ghosts guides feature the SMGs and assault rifles. When are you gonna get to the other classes?
Awesome pun, Stu!
*****
pun was terrible. He used an old one you've heard since that gun was announced. That msbs is bs, not that clever, almost zero effort.
Sammy Sain Stu has said many times that his puns are usually of low effort, its just a nice addition to round off the videos and a small trademark of stu's videos.
Got a killstreak on a guy I was in a 1v1 with using this weapon and he screams into his mic "MSBS? MORE LIKE MSPENIS"
He was able to end my streak because I was laughing so hard
I like the iron sights, even though most people don't like its sights
Someone forgot to mention the x0.8 multiplier to the limbs that makes the MSBS a 3 hit to 7 hit kill if the shots land there Also it's RPM is 432 not 450. The recent patch did all of this.
That firing sound, it's the revenge of the evil FAMAS from Moden Warfare 2. mua-hahahah ! !
I love the puns at the end
Damage is less than 50 now with the nerf. You can still get a two shot kill with certain body multipliers now.
XboxAhoy This Gun needs an update...With the new patch this gun is not the same....The Stats on it are slightly different....No to much of a difference....But a Noticeable one...Hope to see a new Vid on this gun "updated" in the future...Love Your Vids
Even with the patch, still haven't had a problem with this weapon since I'm always changing weapon classes every round just to be good with any weapon.
I knew you were going to make a pun of the “bs” in the gun’s name.
Stu, the msbs has a damage of 55 at close range, so, why did you use the perk dead eye, if it will be a 2 shot kill gun anyway?
You don't need deadeye because that helps you deal with more damage weapons but the msbs is actually the strongest gun besides the snipers and shotguns.
Great pun Stu.
MSBS has been nerfed.
he made these videos before the patch came out so...
must be a shitty nerf cause it's still a one burst kill.
Kepothethief You think burst fire guns should always be a two-burst kill? You have no sense of balance.
Kepothethief you do realise one burst is 3 shots... And every gun in this game is a 3 shot kill... So what do you expect? Every burst gun: M16 CoD4, FAMAS MW2, M16 BO1, T95 MW3, SWAT and M8 BO2 - all were 1 burst kills. So what is the point you are trying to make?
***** I wasn't saying i was happy about it, it is unbalanced.
Best pun ever! That pun really was the best I have no words haha defirnately no BS from this weapon
I saw on your dev blog that you dream of just doing forza content. If just one week you covered some of the most iconic cars from that game, maybe call it Forza week, I think it'd be a nice refresher.
awesome ending ;)
Your a great weapon reviewer
My Ghosts RTC live comm episode 37 uploaded today! Take a peek, cheers!!
Don't you just hate when they patch a gun the day before you release a video... still, great stuff as always Stu. :)
holy shizzle, dat pun
I miss hearing what the weapons acronym means
Stu, you never mentioned how it performs when fully auto, nor did you include any information regarding its post patch changes, such as negative damage multipliers to extremities or its worsened hipfire and recoil...
Lol I remember i only used it on full auto and liked it a lot, it was incredibly effective
It was nerfed, it's recoil is heightened and its RPM is lowered, and it won't kill 2 shots to the feet and legs anymore
Saw the second part of the pun coming 20 kilometers before it arrived.
Very informative, only problem I see is that it was just nerfed.
i knew he was going to say something like that in the end, lol!
Even though it still can technically kill in one burst it is often a two burst ever since the patch
Haha, I saw that pun at the end coming :)
IW made a good change. weapon is perfect now.
The graphics are beast! What do you record with???
i think elgate game capture
BEAST CLASS: MSBS foregrip silencer full auto. No secondery lethal or tactical. Perks: slight of hand takedown extra attachments amplify focus
LOL and that is no BS.
Stu what do you think about humiliate the next enemy player field order?
Wait, Stu! The MSBS was patched so that the rate of fire is about 835 and the 2 shot kill is only for the chest, neck or head
its amazing how transcript gets 90% of what he says unlike other commentators
I KNEW you were going to say something like "no bs"
so you're telling me that infinity ward decided to go ahead and put in another type 95 in cod ghosts
The MSBS is actually an ACR bullpup prototype
Mk14 with burst and muzzle is almost always one burst kills. And 1 bullet headshot from most range.
wow i kind of like this gun im gonna use it
What Is The RPM Of The Full Auto MSBS?
I came up with"The MS is not BS"
Can your first LMG be the M27-IAR?
The MSBS was nerfed in the last patch and no longer has 55 damage, it was dropped to 49 damage, please update your video
Honeybadger! Plz do it next!
How do you deal with weapon patches? It sometimes makes your weapon guides misleading after a few weeks/months
Great pun btw
That pun ... AWW YISSS!!
In the us msbs has been shown at shot show!!! YASSS
neat
The MSBS, and likewise all burst guns, have a few key problems that mandate they need some advantage to be competitive with other weapons. The MSBS's was damage, and they nerfed it. For example, the overall total RPM of the MSBS is around 400 when factoring in burst delay. The in-burst RoF and tiny TTK advantage over the automatics is heavily outweighed by the automatic's ability to reliably kill multiple people, or even an individual. With the MSBS it is most likely that the second will kill the wielder after the first one has gone down. The far more devastating fact is that if any bullet from the burst is missed, the TTK from the first burst to the last bullet is dramatically increased, and instead of a few milliseconds advantage it has a whole second disadvantage against the automatics. My proposed solution is simple, un-nerf the damage or reduce the burst-delay so it's not so devastating to miss a bullet or two.
tiny TTK advantage? at close range the TTK is almost half that of all other ARs and SMGs
Parker Sasse He's just sad that his beloved Op gun was nerfed. Just read his last line "un-nerf the damage and reduce the burst delay... " so he basically wants it to be so overpowered that it makes the game unplayable to anyone who isn't using an MSBS. Good job bro, good job.
Mr Panda Bro, I've never even use the MSBS, next time check yo-self before you wreck yo-self. Besides that, yes, tiny amounts of time in Call of Duty are important, but a 448 RPM (less now due to in-burst RoF nerf) and the recoil of this gun make missing, which happens quite often, far more painful and outweigh the negligible short-range thighs-chest-head-only 2 shot kill of 0.067 seconds vs its next competitor at 0.136 seconds. Come at me.
Jaedrik Cobalt If you've never used the MSBS then why do you want it buffed up again? And besides, a 2 shot kill is a very powerful asset and needs to have something to balance it. The MSBS should be about accuracy and therefore skill, and this patch has done just that. Before, noobs could spray multiple bursts towards a target hoping to land the 2 shots required. But now, due to the delay and the lowered RoF, each burst has to be placed accurately. Which is how it should be. I guess that you have a different opinion, but for me this patch has improved the balance of gunplay in Ghosts. However, there are more important issues they should have addressed before the MSBS. It was annoying but certainly not game-braking.
Mr Panda I don't even have Ghosts! :P But, my dearest internet friends are those that give the community, and indeed Xbox Ahoy and Symthic, their stats, Marvel4, Probaddie, etc. I feel with that I've proven my authority and reliability in the ways of CoD enough for me to make judgements on a CoD game that I don't have.
Gunskill is an important and admirable thing, but the mere fact that it is a 2HK does not make it more powerful than the others. As I said in my original post, if one is to meet more than one enemy or miss any shots (for whatever reason, especially with the random recoil of CoD) he's as good as dead. At that point, gunskill becomes entirely irrelevant, and the deficiencies of the weapon become all the more apparent.
Most skilled players would not choose a Marksman Rifle because of their horrid fire rate cap, they would choose the weapon with higher average RPM and accuracy (or control-ability), damage being important but secondary, because it's going to get them kills far more reliably. 'Twas why everyone used the ACR 6.8 in MW3, even when the Type-95 was "overpowered".
To that effect, shotguns are also extremely useless due to their limitations, namely their inconsistency just as the MSBS has. Oh, it is sad indeed how they have descended from MW2 shotty status. It is also sad to see how the LMGs have descended from being somehow competitive. . . SMGs usually fared well, but in Ghosts? Ghosts is an Assault Rifle fest, and the reason is not that all Assault Rifles are good, but that Assault Rifles are far better than the other choices.
What is that perk where that red mark comes up when you hit someone?