As a Mets fan who watches him on a daily basis, and was my favorite player from his time in Cleveland he is a superstar that is underrated at this point. I hate how one mediocre season in 2021 sullied so many Mets fans on him. But, he posts up everyday giving excellent production on both sides of the ball and answers every media question like a true pro. As always great video.
I’m not saying he hasn’t had good seasons since coming to The Mets, but there is an OBVIOUS reason why people don’t talk about him as much as when he was in Cleveland-he’s lost his pop. Yes, he hit 31 homers last year BUT, he hasn’t had an OPS over .806 since joining the Mets (he was routinely over .850 while in Cleveland). He also used to be a doubles MACHINE reaching over 40 doubles 3 times while in Cleveland; since joining The Mets, he could barely get 30 (he did it last year, that’s it). That doesn’t include that he’s striking out ALOT more (he’s on pace for yet another season over 130 K’s; something he did NOT do in Cleveland). And most importantly, when he was in Cleveland he could at least get his OBP to over .350 - while in New York, Lindor has been lucky to reach a .330 OBP. So maybe he’s putting up decent numbers at face-value; but it’s clear why isn’t talked about as much as when he was wearing a Cleveland Indian (Guardians) jersey.
Whoever wins in nyc with the mets knicks or jets becomes king of new york Lindor just needs a ring with the mets and hes recognized as the greatest shortstop Nyc is a what have you done for me lately city and you need to win in ny for recognition Lindor is great and he will win one when its all said and done
NYC is the fallen sports city with once great teams like the Yankees Who have fallen over the last decade The Rangers haven’t managed to pull it off since the legendary 1993-94 season The Knicks were once considered a potential dynasty but haven’t won since the 70s The Jets were on track to be one of the best teams in the NFL but fell after the 1969 Super Bowl The Giants haven’t had much success besides the 2 most random championships ever a long with. Few good season for the 80s and early 90s The Islanders had a dynasty But fell and have been mid aswell And the Mets were once considered a potential dynasty on the 1980s And the Newest NY Team the Nets haven’t had much of a history even outside of NY so
As a mets fan, I believe the reason he is underlooked is bc he tends to get off to slow starts with his bat. at one point in april he was hitting less than .200. but ever since the team meeting, he called with players only an took accountability for the struggles he turned it around and has been one of the best SS in the league
He’s done that every single year he’s been with the Mets. Starts off super slow in April/may. Then starts to heat up going into the break and then has a great second half of the season.
This is true, Ive been to Wyoming, it broke down, it took 5 hours for AAA to show up, they had to wait for a part to come from the next state because there were no Suzuki dealers 😂 @@jcdagoat14
Lindor is amazing. He is absolutely one of the best SS in the game year-in-year-out. The Mets are lucky to have him, and too many in the fan base just don't appreciate what he does. He is sensational.
Mets fans don’t deserve a player like this. I’m a Mets fan, read all the comments on places like this and on Metsmerized, and I can honestly say we have the most hateful, spiteful and idiotic fans in the league. Even Phillies fans are less trash. If I was given the God given talent to play this sport at the MLB level, I would never play for this team. Not because of anything more than their fans. We couldn’t even appreciate Carlos Beltran when he was here either. He carried the team during that playoff run years ago then struck out on a hellacious back door curveball by a great pitcher. I’ve seen some of the greats like Pujols, Harper, and everyone’s golden boys Judge and Jetsr strike out on as well. Mets fans don’t know how to appreciate greatness. They always want someone else until they get them. If you don’t believe me, just read what’s written on this very board. “Ain’t worth the money,,” “stupid signing by Cohen,” “doesn’t deserve to be an all-star.” Smdh, LFGM.
Every team has their morons. The Mets have the displeasure of these idiots being amplified by the even bigger idiots at WFAN. Stop caring about what you see online man every Mets fan I have gotten to know irl has been nice
Dude Mets fans love lindor if you’re a real fan you go to the games and you can see they love him it’s the chronically online douchebags who hate him the fake fans who stay online all day and are miserable who hate him a majority of us love him. Btw you’re not a Mets fan bozo saying that we’re the worst fan base is delusional also saying if you became an mlb player you wouldn’t play for your favorite team 😂😂 go be a fake fan somewhere else clown.
Why Lindor is underrated? Bc the mets fanbase is the most hot and cold group of people ever. On most days im embarrassed to call myself a mets fan bc of the way some people act here. Lindor is a fantastic player and i think people need to forget about the stupid contract bs bc at the end of the day we aint footing the bill, cohen is, and cohen and his guys paid that much for a reason. Lindor will be the only Met of this current era / generation to hit the hall of fame at this current rate. Unless pete figures his shit out or alvy goes nuclear. Lindor is a beast and also the kindest coolest person out there. Mets fans need to spread more love to this team and maybe things will continue to get better this second half. LFGM BABYY
Bc I used to like him when he was on the Indians, but ever since he's been a met, he's been an overrated bum just because I'm a Phillies fan/muck the fets
Timing couldn't be better, was just talking with some friends about how Lindor is surprisingly underlooked despite the contract before this shows up in my feed. Love the level of research you put into your videos, hope your audience continues to grow!
He’s on pace for his second 30-30 season in a row, the year before he broke Jose Reyes’ club record in rbi’s for Mets ss and still hasn’t been an all star in 5 years. He starts the seasons off slow but by the end of the season his numbers speak for themselves and as lenient as getting into the hof has become, I still feel he will get snubbed unfortunately
Betts (if you count him as a SS) Turner, Henderson, Witt Jr, Seager, and Correa I think are all better overall. I do think Lindor is better than Abrams, De La Cruz, O Cruz, Tovar, Adames, Winn, and Bichette. Lindor is certainly one of the better defensive shortstops, certainly better than Betts and Turner; cant speak on the others, i just dont understand why people think he shouldve been an allstar. 3 NL shortstops were better choices. Lindor had a higher oWAR than Harper somehow until you realize he was leading the NL in PA which was close to 90 more than Harper at the time. I think he numbers were boosted by some wild positional adjustments that are less needed in today MLB where the trend has been toward positionless baseball and where every player can pick up and learn every position pretty quickly
@@Rytoast99availability is the best ability. Lindor might not be having as good of a year as some of those guys but he career says he is better than those guys. And his career says he’s one of the best defensive players ever in that position. With the shift gone, training guys to sit at shortstop is a lot less effective.
@@Rytoast99of all the shortstops you named turner and betts are the only ones in the NL, and betts was hurt. So if he was only behind turner, wouldn’t he be the second best shortstop in the NL, hence cause for an all star nod?
Thank you for this video. I feel like I've put in full-time shifts defending Lindor from other Mets fans. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only Mets fan that sees the greatness of Lindor
Excellent video! Too add to why some Mets fans still view him poorly, I remember he turned down the first big extension offer by the Mets and it dragged out the negotiations basically until opening day. So with him not preforming early on, after pushing for a higher offer definitely bothered some fans. But what he's done since his first month as a Met has been nothing but outstanding, and he's going to go down as the best SS the Mets have ever had and one of the best overall players they've ever had in their franchise. Hopefully more people start appreciating what we're watching day in and day out. He deserves every bit and more of that contract if you ask me.
Lindor is the best SS in baseball and one of my favorite Mets ever. He’s like Rey Ordonaz in the field but hits better the Reyes. Him Alonso Nimmo have to be the best core in Baseball. The hate Lindor gets blows my mind. Great leader amazing defense incredible hitter everything you want in a player. Now Mets sign Alonso to a long contract for how ever much he wants.
He is extremely talented offensively and defensively, but he does tend to relax and not give 100% at times. When he hears the criticism and boos, he turns it on and becomes unstoppable. In 2024, he is leading the Mets to a possible playoff run. Theyre hot.
Listening to the media talk about Lindor earlier this season was so frustrating. He’s consistently been one of the most valuable players in the league yet pundits were saying he single handedly was burying the mets, despite how unlucky he was getting with his Babip earlier on.
What I love about Lindor is that he starts slow and just keeps getting better and better as the season goes on. For a lot of ESPN junkies who just look at stats he can seem underwhelming until it all comes together in August/September
I literally just pull up that clip from 2017 whenever someone talks crap about Lindor. He is definitely one of the better players in the league but people overlook him now and yes maybe his stars have fallen off in past years but he is not washed by any means. There is a reason he is where he is, and why he is in probably one of the best postseason calls in history. "LINDOR WITH A SWING AND A DRIVE... AND IT'S GONE! SANTA MARIA!"
Remember how I'm 14-1 in fantasy? Well i need ur advice bc i made a trade just because i saw Elly De La Cruz was in it. I traded for him thinking he could play second, but he can't. So heres the dilemma. I traded my starting 2nd baseman (jordan Westburg) and mookie is injured. Heres what my lineup looks like and how many points per game theh average: C. Adley Rutschman 3.9 1B. Bryce Harper 5.3 2B. (Empty) 0.0 SS. Bobby Witt Jr. 5.3 3B. J-Ram 5.0 OF. Teoscar Hernandez 3.4 OF. Jarren Duran 3.8 OF. Ian Happ 3.5 UTL. Alec Bohm 4.3 BE. Jazz Chissolm Jr. 3.2 BE. Elly De La Cruz 4.3 So, Elly can only play SS and 3B. So who do I bench/most likely trade to play Elly? I'd like to keep Bohm as a starter just because of how good he's been this year, but idk, help. I'd also need a 2B I could reasonably get till Mookie Betts comes back (according to espn on 8/2)
That's tough. Witt and J-Ram are both guys you can't take out. I guess it would have to be Bohm. Maybe you can swing a deal to send Bohm somewhere and put Elly at UTL. Betts shouldn't be out for too much longer so I would just go to the free agents and stream a 2B until then.
just got home from a long day to watch this, glad i can and in my opinion lindor is THE ABSOLUT BEST underrated active player in mlb, yeah hes great but people dont understand just how great he is was and will continue to be
Great video! Nobody thinks Lindor is bad. Playing devils advocate as a padres fan also having buyers remorse about a shortstop (Xander) it’s not about him being bad, when you pay a guy 250+ million in this day and age, you want more than accumulation stats, you want him to come up clutch in big moments, you want every at bat to be much watch baseball. He was when he was hitting 30+ home runs, now he’s just sorta there, would you take him on ur team? Sure. But not for 34 million dollars a year. You look at a guy like shohei as the basis for contract value it seems, and if you are telling me lindor is half as valuable as Ohtani it’s just not true. It’s all relative so this is just my opinion of course, but if I have 35 million dollars, give me shohei as a hitter or Aaron judge every day. Defense is great but you can get defensive value for a lot less if ur not worried about offense, and you can probably find salvageable defenders to fill in for one really good one. Sorta like in moneyball you can find 3 average or slightly above average defenders to replace one really good one for a lot less money, you sign lindor for his offense at the end of the day.
I think the money aspect isn't too bad, at least at the moment. Cohen is loaded and was able to spend that much on him without sacrificing elsewhere. If he's consistently at 5-6 WAR which he has been. Then I think it is a success.
Hall of famer maybe, since people like bagwell, baines, and Ozzie are in. But Lindor just like the 3 other players I mentioned deserve to be in the hall of very good not the hall of fame. When you think of a hall of famer you think of a player who’s iconic, if you have to think twice about a player being in the hall he does not deserve it.
All I know is that since he got to the Mets he has a batting average in the low 250s , strikes out almost 140 times a year to only 60 walks ,I mean yeah he’s been solid defensively but for a guy who gets 30 million a year come on now you guys is tripping
People blaming Mets fans need to look at the recognition he doesn't get outside of NU no All Star appearances and no gold gloves the last few years. Why?
I love Lindor, I truly believe his first season and usual poor starts to his season here often put him in the overrated types along with his large contract. He’s still a great player in my opinion.
I think that you can't really compare Lindor to Harper/Guerrero, because of defensive production lol. If you aren't an absolute beast at the plate at first base, you really can't have much WAR there.
This video barely acknowledges the things that explain why people don’t like him. It comes down to his horrible starts and the impact it had on the team’s success. This year is the worst. The narrator mentions that Lindor was hitting .229 at the end of May. What he doesn’t mention is that three days earlier, he was hitting .201 - and that he was below 200 for a long time, with incredibly low OBP etc. That atrocious start played a major role in the Mets’ terrible start. If he had just played decently, the Mets now would be in a far more comfortable position for the playoffs. His yearly stats look fine, but they’re deceptive because they don’t give you a sense of those Aprils and Mays, which played a big role in putting the Mets in a hole. He bears a heavy responsibility for those failed seasons. Those epic slumps diminished the team’s win total.
The mets shocking under performance over the past couple years doesn't help. They spent the money and brought the hype. They were supposed to be a dynasty. Now unfortunately i think its victory or bust for the mets
@italkbaseball did a take on flubs from the all-star game this year. Kept saying we were delusional for thinking lindor is an all-star. He's delusional for thinking otherwise. Guy had a slow start and since then has been otherworldly. Clutch. Huge reason we are in a wildcard race again. Cant stand the slander on lindor. Top 3 as in NL. All day.
arguably the best defensive SS in mlb and an above average bat, dont know how he gets overlooked so often (not to mention 107 and 95 rbi or so in 2022/2023 or somethin?
Your conclusion is that he’s misunderstood because other players production decreased too!? Another excuse maker. Lindor is a very good player….just not the monster he’s being paid to be…..period
I’m a Mets fan and we have the dumbest most reactionary fans in the game we don’t appreciate him we don’t appreciate Beltran but if mediocre homegrown guys like Pete and Conforto struggle and we point that out we’re “fake fans”. Worst fanbase in baseball and that’s coming from a Mets fan
@@iec7587 okay then you're obviously not a huge mets fan if you can't stand him, hes one of the best players the team has ever had lol. The length of time you've been a "fan" is irrelevant. Ive been a fan for 20 years and love the guy. Who's correct, me or you?
@@iec7587 no thats the icing on the cake. You should like him because he plays hard, plays every day, is a leader by example and vocally, his teammates love him, says all the right things, and shows accountability. Thats what being a fan is...if you dont like Francisco lindor then not sure what you do like
I had completely forgotten Asdrubel played for the Mets. He always seemed to play better against the Tigers. He was frustrating to watch for that reason as a Tigers fan, but he was a good player
If he could be just a decent player for the next 5 years he'll pretty much be a lock for the HOF. 70 Career war would put him in the top 10 all time SS. He's certainly on pace believe it or not
Its terrible that Lindor is waisitng his career in a mets jersey and is not bei g appreciated by all of baseball to the level he should be if he wasnt a shitty ole Met
finally some good media about lindor. as a mets fan i was so excited when i learned we got him and he's been one of my favorite players the last few years, not just performance wise but as an individual. his confidence but also humbleness is what i really love about him, he holds himself accountable and has always been a top locker room presence. but we don't deserve him, well most mets fans don't. the mets fan base is arguably one of the worst in all of baseball, most are a bunch of selfish morons and take one bad thing and run with it, same deal with carlos beltran back in the day, not even philly fans are this bad, and i'd argue we have a worse fan base than the yankees. yeah being a mets fan is primarily a life filled with disappointment and false hope, but i do have hope for lindor and the mets in the next few years, i'm really excited to see how cohen does in the free agent signings this offseason, on top of the stacked fa class we also have great team chemistry, we have our solidified guys, and very promising farm system. can't wait for the next few years cuz it will be lots of fun to watch, and hopefully we get another long awaited chip in the process lol. LFGM!!!
@@3-0Greenlight I'll never forget Rajai Davis hitting a home run off Aroldis Chapman late in game 7 before we lost after than God forsaken rain delay. Good memories of a great season though. 🙂
@@josh9452I guess it seemed absurdly high when it was announced, but mb isn't the worst deal in history. Cohen's Verlander/Scherzer experiment was definitely foolish though. All that money flushed and didn't even make it a season together.
A lot of superstar underperformed under theirs contracts! Pujols, Hamilton, Machado sometimes, arenado the last few years, Correa, it happens and even Corey Seager who had a .240 batting average in 2022 and Marcus Semien who was a 90 ops+ that happens is baseball but still a 5 to 6 WAR players is great!
He actually plays above that contract. 1 point of WAR is worth $8 mil. He averages 5-6 WAR a season which is worth $40-48 mil, well above his current contract.
Disagree. I think his contract is more than justified given that he is an elite defensive player at a premium defensive position AND that he produces at extremely high levels at the plate too. I'm baffled that people continue to diminish what Lindor does. If anything, he's a bargain at $34 mil/year. And, lest we forget, he is on the field almost every single game.
@@dashx1103 wins over replacement ...its a blind guess at what someone else might not beable to do..whose to say the bench player wouldnt go 4 for 4 that day if he played .its baseball it happends often..its the dumbest most useless stat in all of sports and only slow pitch players and morons refer to it
For the value they have been getting I think it's been a good deal for both sides. Not to mention Cohen can afford to hand over more money and not have to sacrifice elsewhere. With that being said will he still be this dominant when he's in his late 30s? Probably not. So it'll be interesting to see how he fares during those years.
I’m not saying he hasn’t had good seasons since coming to The Mets, but there is an OBVIOUS reason why people don’t talk about him as much as when he was in Cleveland-he’s lost his pop. Yes, he hit 31 homers last year BUT, he hasn’t had an OPS over .806 since joining the Mets (he was routinely over .850 while in Cleveland). He also used to be a doubles MACHINE reaching over 40 doubles 3 times while in Cleveland; since joining The Mets, he could barely get 30 (he did it last year, that’s it). That doesn’t include that he’s striking out ALOT more (he’s on pace for yet another season over 130 K’s; something he did NOT do in Cleveland). And most importantly, when he was in Cleveland he could at least get his OBP to over .350 - while in New York, Lindor has been lucky to reach a .330 OBP. So maybe he’s putting up decent numbers at face-value; but it’s clear why isn’t talked about as much as when he was wearing a Cleveland Indian (Guardians) jersey. All of that, on a$300MM contract doesn’t add up to somebody that needs to talked about as a “superstar”.
if you watched the video, his batting abilities never declined, the ballpark he has to hit in and the league wide bettering in pitching is what’s slowed him down. His OPS+ and WRC+ from his seasons with both teams is actually practically identical. Still an absolute superstar fs
@@coz9387 bro stop it. Analytics is great but when you come up with made-up excuses like this you start to look ridiculous. No matter what park he’s playing in the man’s play has very CLEARLY declined. I mean, at the end of the day I’m not going to argue this with you because facts are facts so have a great day boss!
@@PYahWeh Google is free man, offense in baseball is down from the juiced balls of the late 2010's. This is why stats like OPS+ and wRC+ put league offense into perspective for ignorant fans like yourself.
As a Mets fan who watches him on a daily basis, and was my favorite player from his time in Cleveland he is a superstar that is underrated at this point. I hate how one mediocre season in 2021 sullied so many Mets fans on him. But, he posts up everyday giving excellent production on both sides of the ball and answers every media question like a true pro. As always great video.
He's been amazing! Happy to hear you've been enjoying watching him play.
And thank you for your kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the vid!
He 100% deserves better! I just don't get it sigh 🤦
He was my favorite player too pre trade and is still my fav all time. I’ll never forget getting the notification we got him
I’m not saying he hasn’t had good seasons since coming to The Mets, but there is an OBVIOUS reason why people don’t talk about him as much as when he was in Cleveland-he’s lost his pop. Yes, he hit 31 homers last year BUT, he hasn’t had an OPS over .806 since joining the Mets (he was routinely over .850 while in Cleveland). He also used to be a doubles MACHINE reaching over 40 doubles 3 times while in Cleveland; since joining The Mets, he could barely get 30 (he did it last year, that’s it). That doesn’t include that he’s striking out ALOT more (he’s on pace for yet another season over 130 K’s; something he did NOT do in Cleveland). And most importantly, when he was in Cleveland he could at least get his OBP to over .350 - while in New York, Lindor has been lucky to reach a .330 OBP.
So maybe he’s putting up decent numbers at face-value; but it’s clear why isn’t talked about as much as when he was wearing a Cleveland Indian (Guardians) jersey.
For 340 million people were expecting more.
Whoever wins in nyc with the mets knicks or jets becomes king of new york
Lindor just needs a ring with the mets and hes recognized as the greatest shortstop
Nyc is a what have you done for me lately city and you need to win in ny for recognition
Lindor is great and he will win one when its all said and done
With Cohen's big wallet I wouldn't be surprised if they are able to buy a ring
NYC is the fallen sports city with once great teams like the Yankees Who have fallen over the last decade
The Rangers haven’t managed to pull it off since the legendary 1993-94 season
The Knicks were once considered a potential dynasty but haven’t won since the 70s
The Jets were on track to be one of the best teams in the NFL but fell after the 1969 Super Bowl
The Giants haven’t had much success besides the 2 most random championships ever a long with. Few good season for the 80s and early 90s
The Islanders had a dynasty
But fell and have been mid aswell
And the Mets were once considered a potential dynasty on the 1980s
And the Newest NY Team the Nets haven’t had much of a history even outside of NY so
As a mets fan, I believe the reason he is underlooked is bc he tends to get off to slow starts with his bat. at one point in april he was hitting less than .200. but ever since the team meeting, he called with players only an took accountability for the struggles he turned it around and has been one of the best SS in the league
That has definitely been the case.
He’s done that every single year he’s been with the Mets. Starts off super slow in April/may. Then starts to heat up going into the break and then has a great second half of the season.
Go Mets.
@@3-0Greenlightyeppers. Regardless I'ma a Mets fan forever. Now let's kick some 🐴 and get in playoffs
Brandon Nimmo is the most underrated player in the mlb.
He's definitely up there.
Agreed he's definitely up there. I could make this exact same vid about him lol
He’s the only human in the world from Wyoming
This is true, Ive been to Wyoming, it broke down, it took 5 hours for AAA to show up, they had to wait for a part to come from the next state because there were no Suzuki dealers 😂 @@jcdagoat14
@@jcdagoat14Probably the best player raised from Wyoming unless we missed another Wyoming boy somewhere
Lindor is amazing. He is absolutely one of the best SS in the game year-in-year-out. The Mets are lucky to have him, and too many in the fan base just don't appreciate what he does. He is sensational.
Agreed!
Mets fans don’t deserve a player like this. I’m a Mets fan, read all the comments on places like this and on Metsmerized, and I can honestly say we have the most hateful, spiteful and idiotic fans in the league. Even Phillies fans are less trash. If I was given the God given talent to play this sport at the MLB level, I would never play for this team. Not because of anything more than their fans. We couldn’t even appreciate Carlos Beltran when he was here either. He carried the team during that playoff run years ago then struck out on a hellacious back door curveball by a great pitcher. I’ve seen some of the greats like Pujols, Harper, and everyone’s golden boys Judge and Jetsr strike out on as well. Mets fans don’t know how to appreciate greatness. They always want someone else until they get them. If you don’t believe me, just read what’s written on this very board. “Ain’t worth the money,,” “stupid signing by Cohen,” “doesn’t deserve to be an all-star.” Smdh, LFGM.
@BillyKammerer Typical Mets fan. You are exactly what I'm talking about. Thank you for proving my point!
@BillyKammerer Thank you!
Every team has their morons. The Mets have the displeasure of these idiots being amplified by the even bigger idiots at WFAN. Stop caring about what you see online man every Mets fan I have gotten to know irl has been nice
Dude Mets fans love lindor if you’re a real fan you go to the games and you can see they love him it’s the chronically online douchebags who hate him the fake fans who stay online all day and are miserable who hate him a majority of us love him. Btw you’re not a Mets fan bozo saying that we’re the worst fan base is delusional also saying if you became an mlb player you wouldn’t play for your favorite team 😂😂 go be a fake fan somewhere else clown.
Mets fans gave Lindor a standing ovation which turned his season around - i think youre a bit too cynical however i agree about 75%
Why Lindor is underrated?
Bc the mets fanbase is the most hot and cold group of people ever.
On most days im embarrassed to call myself a mets fan bc of the way some people act here.
Lindor is a fantastic player and i think people need to forget about the stupid contract bs bc at the end of the day we aint footing the bill, cohen is, and cohen and his guys paid that much for a reason.
Lindor will be the only Met of this current era / generation to hit the hall of fame at this current rate. Unless pete figures his shit out or alvy goes nuclear.
Lindor is a beast and also the kindest coolest person out there.
Mets fans need to spread more love to this team and maybe things will continue to get better this second half.
LFGM BABYY
Bc I used to like him when he was on the Indians, but ever since he's been a met, he's been an overrated bum just because I'm a Phillies fan/muck the fets
@BillyKammerer wsp with ur butthurt self commenting everywhere lolol
I think hitting wise Vientos will be HOF hes young he mashes if he could only play 3rd 🫣
Its because the mets are the little brother team, yankees fans are more intrested in red sox or rays players than guys in there own city.
Timing couldn't be better, was just talking with some friends about how Lindor is surprisingly underlooked despite the contract before this shows up in my feed. Love the level of research you put into your videos, hope your audience continues to grow!
*overlooked
That's awesome haha. And I'm glad you enjoyed the vid! :)
He’s on pace for his second 30-30 season in a row, the year before he broke Jose Reyes’ club record in rbi’s for Mets ss and still hasn’t been an all star in 5 years. He starts the seasons off slow but by the end of the season his numbers speak for themselves and as lenient as getting into the hof has become, I still feel he will get snubbed unfortunately
Lindor is my favourite player and I love watching him play everyday and really hope people turn to realize how good he is
He's fun to watch!
great take, i am a mets fan and i watch Lindor play every game. a lot actually at citifield and every other game on tv. he's so good and consistent
Glad you enjoyed!
I think people are just saying he doesn’t live up to his contract but i think he’s top 5 ss
Betts (if you count him as a SS) Turner, Henderson, Witt Jr, Seager, and Correa I think are all better overall. I do think Lindor is better than Abrams, De La Cruz, O Cruz, Tovar, Adames, Winn, and Bichette. Lindor is certainly one of the better defensive shortstops, certainly better than Betts and Turner; cant speak on the others, i just dont understand why people think he shouldve been an allstar. 3 NL shortstops were better choices. Lindor had a higher oWAR than Harper somehow until you realize he was leading the NL in PA which was close to 90 more than Harper at the time. I think he numbers were boosted by some wild positional adjustments that are less needed in today MLB where the trend has been toward positionless baseball and where every player can pick up and learn every position pretty quickly
@@Rytoast99availability is the best ability. Lindor might not be having as good of a year as some of those guys but he career says he is better than those guys. And his career says he’s one of the best defensive players ever in that position. With the shift gone, training guys to sit at shortstop is a lot less effective.
That's a fair point. But I think for his consistent value he's brought the Mets they would do the contract over in a heartbeat though.
@@Rytoast99of all the shortstops you named turner and betts are the only ones in the NL, and betts was hurt. So if he was only behind turner, wouldn’t he be the second best shortstop in the NL, hence cause for an all star nod?
For better or worse, when Lindor contributes to the game the Mets win. Best SS the Mets have ever had . Contract was a bargain.
Definitely been the case the last couple months. He has helped this team turn it around fast.
as much of a hot take as this could sound like i’d rather pay him when we did than reyes at the time of his fa
Thank you for this video. I feel like I've put in full-time shifts defending Lindor from other Mets fans. Sometimes it feels like I'm the only Mets fan that sees the greatness of Lindor
Great vid. As a met fan I hate when people try to shit on him
Glad you enjoyed!
Im and Mets fan and since having him i am nothing but absolutely thrilled. Dude has practically been our captain
Excellent video! Too add to why some Mets fans still view him poorly, I remember he turned down the first big extension offer by the Mets and it dragged out the negotiations basically until opening day. So with him not preforming early on, after pushing for a higher offer definitely bothered some fans. But what he's done since his first month as a Met has been nothing but outstanding, and he's going to go down as the best SS the Mets have ever had and one of the best overall players they've ever had in their franchise. Hopefully more people start appreciating what we're watching day in and day out. He deserves every bit and more of that contract if you ask me.
Lindor is the best SS in baseball and one of my favorite Mets ever. He’s like Rey Ordonaz in the field but hits better the Reyes. Him Alonso Nimmo have to be the best core in Baseball. The hate Lindor gets blows my mind. Great leader amazing defense incredible hitter everything you want in a player. Now Mets sign Alonso to a long contract for how ever much he wants.
Witt, Henderson, trea, Cruz, betts are better
He's definitely been consistently one of the best. I would love to have him locked up on my team .
Mets fan here. Please don’t resign Alonso he is washed
Nice video! I love Lindor❤ can you make a video about Jose Ramirez he is so underrated and I still miss him with Lindor 😢
Great video!!
He is extremely talented offensively and defensively, but he does tend to relax and not give 100% at times. When he hears the criticism and boos, he turns it on and becomes unstoppable. In 2024, he is leading the Mets to a possible playoff run. Theyre hot.
Came from stream! Love ur vids keep it up
Thanks for stopping by!
Listening to the media talk about Lindor earlier this season was so frustrating. He’s consistently been one of the most valuable players in the league yet pundits were saying he single handedly was burying the mets, despite how unlucky he was getting with his Babip earlier on.
great video! as a mets fan, i hate the disrespect he receives from us. we truly dont deserve a player like him
6:15 “in The Queens” LMFAO
What I love about Lindor is that he starts slow and just keeps getting better and better as the season goes on. For a lot of ESPN junkies who just look at stats he can seem underwhelming until it all comes together in August/September
I mean Lindor 100% is considered one of the best SS in baseball
I literally just pull up that clip from 2017 whenever someone talks crap about Lindor. He is definitely one of the better players in the league but people overlook him now and yes maybe his stars have fallen off in past years but he is not washed by any means. There is a reason he is where he is, and why he is in probably one of the best postseason calls in history.
"LINDOR WITH A SWING AND A DRIVE... AND IT'S GONE! SANTA MARIA!"
Remember how I'm 14-1 in fantasy? Well i need ur advice bc i made a trade just because i saw Elly De La Cruz was in it. I traded for him thinking he could play second, but he can't. So heres the dilemma. I traded my starting 2nd baseman (jordan Westburg) and mookie is injured. Heres what my lineup looks like and how many points per game theh average:
C. Adley Rutschman 3.9
1B. Bryce Harper 5.3
2B. (Empty) 0.0
SS. Bobby Witt Jr. 5.3
3B. J-Ram 5.0
OF. Teoscar Hernandez 3.4
OF. Jarren Duran 3.8
OF. Ian Happ 3.5
UTL. Alec Bohm 4.3
BE. Jazz Chissolm Jr. 3.2
BE. Elly De La Cruz 4.3
So, Elly can only play SS and 3B. So who do I bench/most likely trade to play Elly? I'd like to keep Bohm as a starter just because of how good he's been this year, but idk, help. I'd also need a 2B I could reasonably get till Mookie Betts comes back (according to espn on 8/2)
That's tough. Witt and J-Ram are both guys you can't take out. I guess it would have to be Bohm. Maybe you can swing a deal to send Bohm somewhere and put Elly at UTL. Betts shouldn't be out for too much longer so I would just go to the free agents and stream a 2B until then.
Nice work man, great video
Amazing video, I am the number 1 Lindor fan on earth
I'm so glad you enjoyed!
Very nice and well done coverage 👏
As a mets fan ive loved lindor since he came to queens to save us
Not to mention he had a 30-30 season last year…
True!
It is an absolute privilege to watch Lindor play on a daily basis. I definitely do not take him for granted. Other teams wish they had him. LGM.
He's a star. Hes a leader. He'll be in the Hall of Fame one day and he speaks better English than me lol. We're lucky as Mets fans to have him.
As a Mets fan and Francisco Lindor supporter, it really bothers me that he was All Star snubbed 2 years in a row.
just got home from a long day to watch this, glad i can and in my opinion lindor is THE ABSOLUT BEST underrated active player in mlb, yeah hes great but people dont understand just how great he is was and will continue to be
I’m happy that your enjoyed!
Great video! Nobody thinks Lindor is bad. Playing devils advocate as a padres fan also having buyers remorse about a shortstop (Xander) it’s not about him being bad, when you pay a guy 250+ million in this day and age, you want more than accumulation stats, you want him to come up clutch in big moments, you want every at bat to be much watch baseball. He was when he was hitting 30+ home runs, now he’s just sorta there, would you take him on ur team? Sure. But not for 34 million dollars a year. You look at a guy like shohei as the basis for contract value it seems, and if you are telling me lindor is half as valuable as Ohtani it’s just not true. It’s all relative so this is just my opinion of course, but if I have 35 million dollars, give me shohei as a hitter or Aaron judge every day. Defense is great but you can get defensive value for a lot less if ur not worried about offense, and you can probably find salvageable defenders to fill in for one really good one. Sorta like in moneyball you can find 3 average or slightly above average defenders to replace one really good one for a lot less money, you sign lindor for his offense at the end of the day.
I think the money aspect isn't too bad, at least at the moment. Cohen is loaded and was able to spend that much on him without sacrificing elsewhere. If he's consistently at 5-6 WAR which he has been. Then I think it is a success.
Send this to the clowns at WFAN!!!! He is my favorite player and the hate he gets is ridiculous.
It’s because he’s a Met and SS, no one’s allowed to be better than Jeter.
and in the past 7 days hes gotten even better. haha.
A great pick by the Mets period. Highly underrated but not by me!
He is currently the NL MVP.
Came from the stream, great vid !
Happy to have you in the streams! Glad you enjoyed!
Hall of famer maybe, since people like bagwell, baines, and Ozzie are in. But Lindor just like the 3 other players I mentioned deserve to be in the hall of very good not the hall of fame. When you think of a hall of famer you think of a player who’s iconic, if you have to think twice about a player being in the hall he does not deserve it.
Add another 2 HR at Yankee Stadium tonight!
He should have been named to the NL All Start team.
All I know is that since he got to the Mets he has a batting average in the low 250s , strikes out almost 140 times a year to only 60 walks ,I mean yeah he’s been solid defensively but for a guy who gets 30 million a year come on now you guys is tripping
People blaming Mets fans need to look at the recognition he doesn't get outside of NU no All Star appearances and no gold gloves the last few years. Why?
Did you say, "At the time of Lindor's arrival in THE Queens..."?!?!
I love Lindor, I truly believe his first season and usual poor starts to his season here often put him in the overrated types along with his large contract. He’s still a great player in my opinion.
Agreed!
Find it funny that the prospect list shows the current team for the player instead of when they were prospects 0:43
Agreed! I always found that funny too.
I think only Mets fans are guilty of not realizing how good he is. everytime I check on him, it's like, yeah, still a superstar.
He's been amazing!
Great 🎉video can you do a similar video of Carlos Correa?
I think that you can't really compare Lindor to Harper/Guerrero, because of defensive production lol. If you aren't an absolute beast at the plate at first base, you really can't have much WAR there.
He is literally the best ss in the last 4-5 years. My thing is that he plays every day. Its insane. The hate is insane
Hes the pinnacle of consistency. Absolute iron man. Seager and Correa may be better offensively , but they don’t have anywhere near the availability.
This video barely acknowledges the things that explain why people don’t like him. It comes down to his horrible starts and the impact it had on the team’s success.
This year is the worst. The narrator mentions that Lindor was hitting .229 at the end of May. What he doesn’t mention is that three days earlier, he was hitting .201 - and that he was below 200 for a long time, with incredibly low OBP etc. That atrocious start played a major role in the Mets’ terrible start. If he had just played decently, the Mets now would be in a far more comfortable position for the playoffs.
His yearly stats look fine, but they’re deceptive because they don’t give you a sense of those Aprils and Mays, which played a big role in putting the Mets in a hole. He bears a heavy responsibility for those failed seasons. Those epic slumps diminished the team’s win total.
The mets shocking under performance over the past couple years doesn't help. They spent the money and brought the hype. They were supposed to be a dynasty. Now unfortunately i think its victory or bust for the mets
He lost his mojo since he left the "INDIANS"
6:10 He only played for the Indians and left before the name change.
I will always support & believe in my shortstop 💯
🇵🇷🔥1️⃣2️⃣🔥🇵🇷 #TeamRubio
@italkbaseball did a take on flubs from the all-star game this year. Kept saying we were delusional for thinking lindor is an all-star. He's delusional for thinking otherwise. Guy had a slow start and since then has been otherworldly. Clutch. Huge reason we are in a wildcard race again. Cant stand the slander on lindor. Top 3 as in NL. All day.
Agreed he's been a beast and deserves more praise!
He’s the man
arguably the best defensive SS in mlb and an above average bat, dont know how he gets overlooked so often (not to mention 107 and 95 rbi or so in 2022/2023 or somethin?
Ya he's been a beast on both sides of the ball.
Actually is my favorite player 😅
Your conclusion is that he’s misunderstood because other players production decreased too!? Another excuse maker. Lindor is a very good player….just not the monster he’s being paid to be…..period
Stop telling lies he best short stop in basketball and he showed it tonight
I’m a Mets fan and we have the dumbest most reactionary fans in the game we don’t appreciate him we don’t appreciate Beltran but if mediocre homegrown guys like Pete and Conforto struggle and we point that out we’re “fake fans”. Worst fanbase in baseball and that’s coming from a Mets fan
makes me appreciate Gimenez even more 🙏
Gimenez has been a nice return tbf
Gimenez is a nice 2b. Lindor is an elite SS.
“Arrival in The Queens” is wild
That's my SS
Love Lindor!
He's a beast!
How you remember all this
How are you listening to that doesn’t mention lindor as one of the best shortstops?
People hate him just cause he’s a met
Mets fans love lindor, dont listen to the twitter bots
Im a huge Met fan for 40+ years ad cant stand him
@@iec7587 okay then you're obviously not a huge mets fan if you can't stand him, hes one of the best players the team has ever had lol. The length of time you've been a "fan" is irrelevant. Ive been a fan for 20 years and love the guy. Who's correct, me or you?
@@nickdiaz_ I have to like him because he is a met and very good?
@@iec7587 no thats the icing on the cake. You should like him because he plays hard, plays every day, is a leader by example and vocally, his teammates love him, says all the right things, and shows accountability. Thats what being a fan is...if you dont like Francisco lindor then not sure what you do like
leader by example? like showing up a teammate. Maybe the worst thing a teammate can do other than assaulting one.
He is only missunderstood according to you
the most valuable defensive position is catcher...
Sorry I meant in terms of infielders and outfielders.
@@3-0Greenlightunderstandable - catchers are always overlooked unless stuff goes wrong
I had completely forgotten Asdrubel played for the Mets. He always seemed to play better against the Tigers. He was frustrating to watch for that reason as a Tigers fan, but he was a good player
He had some great years!
😂 That quote may fly in CLE but in NY if you lost game 7 of the world series. Thats not a successful season. U better be let down.
I think he was just happy with the development and that he was confident that they would be back and win it in the next few years.
No a hall of fame no way Jose
If he could be just a decent player for the next 5 years he'll pretty much be a lock for the HOF. 70 Career war would put him in the top 10 all time SS. He's certainly on pace believe it or not
Its terrible that Lindor is waisitng his career in a mets jersey and is not bei g appreciated by all of baseball to the level he should be if he wasnt a shitty ole Met
that's MY shortstop.
Doing better than my SS atm :(
That's why you don't play for NY
What there is more than being over-payed. Lol
HOF!
He is going to be first ballot if he doesn’t get hurt
I agree!
I have a 2011 Bowman chrome draft lindor autograph refractor, numbered to /500 is anyone is interested..??
finally some good media about lindor. as a mets fan i was so excited when i learned we got him and he's been one of my favorite players the last few years, not just performance wise but as an individual. his confidence but also humbleness is what i really love about him, he holds himself accountable and has always been a top locker room presence. but we don't deserve him, well most mets fans don't. the mets fan base is arguably one of the worst in all of baseball, most are a bunch of selfish morons and take one bad thing and run with it, same deal with carlos beltran back in the day, not even philly fans are this bad, and i'd argue we have a worse fan base than the yankees. yeah being a mets fan is primarily a life filled with disappointment and false hope, but i do have hope for lindor and the mets in the next few years, i'm really excited to see how cohen does in the free agent signings this offseason, on top of the stacked fa class we also have great team chemistry, we have our solidified guys, and very promising farm system. can't wait for the next few years cuz it will be lots of fun to watch, and hopefully we get another long awaited chip in the process lol. LFGM!!!
That's awesome he was one of your favorite players and then they acquired him. That must've been a cool feeling.
Got off work just in time! Lindor was a good Clevelander from A ball on up... But $300 million was stupid by Cohen.
Great timing! He was a beast in Cleveland, those playoff runs were electric. Even though he killed my Blue Jays dreams in 2016 :(
@@3-0Greenlight I'll never forget Rajai Davis hitting a home run off Aroldis Chapman late in game 7 before we lost after than God forsaken rain delay. Good memories of a great season though. 🙂
That was an insane game 7. Deserves a whole video in itself tbh.
How was it stupid? Cohen has the money and Lindor has been statistically a top 15 most valuable player in the league since he was traded
@@josh9452I guess it seemed absurdly high when it was announced, but mb isn't the worst deal in history. Cohen's Verlander/Scherzer experiment was definitely foolish though. All that money flushed and didn't even make it a season together.
The new Carlos Beltran
Cuz he Puerto Rican. Sad . Alonso can hit .220 next year and demand more money they won’t mind
Trash fans boo their own team.
Hall of famer??
He's definitely on his way to being one.
If Lindor stays healthy, he is definitely headed for the Hall.
So funny how much better the AL is than the NL 😂😂
10 out of the past 11 All-Star games won by the AL!
Stinks
He produces, but not at that contract level. Hard to justify that much, even for a great defensive shortstop.
A lot of superstar underperformed under theirs contracts! Pujols, Hamilton, Machado sometimes, arenado the last few years, Correa, it happens and even Corey Seager who had a .240 batting average in 2022 and Marcus Semien who was a 90 ops+ that happens is baseball but still a 5 to 6 WAR players is great!
Who cares Cohen has infinite money
He actually plays above that contract. 1 point of WAR is worth $8 mil. He averages 5-6 WAR a season which is worth $40-48 mil, well above his current contract.
Disagree. I think his contract is more than justified given that he is an elite defensive player at a premium defensive position AND that he produces at extremely high levels at the plate too. I'm baffled that people continue to diminish what Lindor does. If anything, he's a bargain at $34 mil/year. And, lest we forget, he is on the field almost every single game.
I think out of a lot of 10+ year deals his has been off to one of the better starts.
War is the dumbest most overrated and pointless stat in all of sports
Disagree. War is one of the few stats that takes everything into account. It is actually, in my opinion, one of the best stats in sports.
@@dashx1103 wins over replacement ...its a blind guess at what someone else might not beable to do..whose to say the bench player wouldnt go 4 for 4 that day if he played .its baseball it happends often..its the dumbest most useless stat in all of sports and only slow pitch players and morons refer to it
@@CanadianBiPolarBear It’s a stat that doesn’t fit your narrative… therefore it is “dumb.” 😹😹😹😹
@@dashx1103 go back to your slowpitch diamond
@@CanadianBiPolarBear Is that supposed to be a sentence?
13:44 but would you accept that at over 300 million?
For the value they have been getting I think it's been a good deal for both sides. Not to mention Cohen can afford to hand over more money and not have to sacrifice elsewhere. With that being said will he still be this dominant when he's in his late 30s? Probably not. So it'll be interesting to see how he fares during those years.
@@3-0Greenlightfair enough. Keep it up though I really fk with the channel man
I think he's a bargain on his current contract.
I’m not saying he hasn’t had good seasons since coming to The Mets, but there is an OBVIOUS reason why people don’t talk about him as much as when he was in Cleveland-he’s lost his pop. Yes, he hit 31 homers last year BUT, he hasn’t had an OPS over .806 since joining the Mets (he was routinely over .850 while in Cleveland). He also used to be a doubles MACHINE reaching over 40 doubles 3 times while in Cleveland; since joining The Mets, he could barely get 30 (he did it last year, that’s it). That doesn’t include that he’s striking out ALOT more (he’s on pace for yet another season over 130 K’s; something he did NOT do in Cleveland). And most importantly, when he was in Cleveland he could at least get his OBP to over .350 - while in New York, Lindor has been lucky to reach a .330 OBP.
So maybe he’s putting up decent numbers at face-value; but it’s clear why isn’t talked about as much as when he was wearing a Cleveland Indian (Guardians) jersey.
All of that, on a$300MM contract doesn’t add up to somebody that needs to talked about as a “superstar”.
if you watched the video, his batting abilities never declined, the ballpark he has to hit in and the league wide bettering in pitching is what’s slowed him down. His OPS+ and WRC+ from his seasons with both teams is actually practically identical. Still an absolute superstar fs
juiced ball
@@coz9387 bro stop it. Analytics is great but when you come up with made-up excuses like this you start to look ridiculous. No matter what park he’s playing in the man’s play has very CLEARLY declined. I mean, at the end of the day I’m not going to argue this with you because facts are facts so have a great day boss!
great post
@@PYahWeh Google is free man, offense in baseball is down from the juiced balls of the late 2010's. This is why stats like OPS+ and wRC+ put league offense into perspective for ignorant fans like yourself.
Hes gay
he does seem happy
Uh ... so ... what if he is?