New Christian dealing with semantics | Jordan ft. Mansur | Speakers' Corner Debate
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- ::::::: Topic Highlights:::::: Miracles, the incarnation, the trinity
| Speakers' Corner Debate | London UK
Speaker: Jordan
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When talking to an abdul:
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. Is doori quran a quran?
A. Yes
Q. How many qurans?
A. One quran
Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
A. Yes
Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
A. Yes
Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
A. They are different accents
Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
A. 7
Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
A. 6
Q. How many ahrufs today?
A. 7
Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
A. None
Q. How many qiraats today?
A. 10, 15, 20, 50
Q. Is Bible preserved?
A. No
Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
A. Yes
Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
A. No
Q. How old was aisha?
A. 6
😂😂😂 👏🏾👏🏾
Mansur is running away from experience debaters like Bob, Chris and Siig. He like picking on young Christians to confuse them. The doctrine of the trinity has been explained to him several times but he still go back to confuse young Christians.
This is the nature of their breed
YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS!!!🙂
🇨 🇦 🇳 🇳 🇮 🇧 🇦 🇱 abdul
islam permits killing and eating an apostate in the book of fiqh of islamic jurisprudence, Book: minhaj et talibin by MAHIUDIN ABU ZAKARIA YAHYA IBN SHARIF EN NAWAWI, Page 481
*In case of urgency one may even eat a human corpse, or kill an apostate or an infidel not subject to Moslem authority in order to eat him;*
Imagine a cult that travels to a desert across the world to kiss and touch a stone.
Isaiah 6 : 5 - 7 talks about a Stone which was brought by an Angel and it forgives sins when it touches lips.🪨 👄
You mean the hot and burning coal that an angel put in Isaiah's mouth? The one the angel took from God's altar in heaven, and the angel himself proclaimed Isaiah clean? The God who is so holy, holy, holy that Isaiah recognised his sinfulness....?
How does that compare to your black stone on earth where billions of lips smooch it year after year?
Imagine a world that worships Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny
@@wairimu-kI thought the stone represent ALLAT private part..
Look how change Mansur face when they Christian walk away from him that's embarrassing because the Christian see how stupid Mansur is he don't get it its been explained millions of times but if you're stupid there's no cure
What an ironic voice "Black Stone Worshipper "😂
As soon as she said, “you’re a pagan” I started laughing
I laugh in Nigerian local language 😂
🇨 🇦 🇳 🇳 🇮 🇧 🇦 🇱 abdul
islam permits killing and eating an apostate in the book of fiqh of islamic jurisprudence, Book: minhaj et talibin by MAHIUDIN ABU ZAKARIA YAHYA IBN SHARIF EN NAWAWI, Page 481
*In case of urgency one may even eat a human corpse, or kill an apostate or an infidel not subject to Moslem authority in order to eat him;*
@@bolespal3475
Trinitarians are indeed pagan idolaters.
Hallelujah Brother.
So according to Mansuar, his own soul, spirit and body are three different persons?
Aren't the soul and spirit the same thing?
@@ManishSirmour no
@@harveygosal the difference? Also I think he must have meant mind body and soul
When talking to an abdul:
Q. Who is allah?
A. god of islam
Q. Is allah the only uncreated?
A. Yes
Q. Are the right hands of allah uncreated?
A. Yes
Q. Is the shin of allah uncreated?
A. Yes
Q. Are the qurans uncreated?
A. Yes
Q. How many uncreated?
A. One uncreated
Q. Is allah the same as his hands?
A. No
Q. Is allah the same as his shin?
A. No
Q. Are allah, allah's right hands, allah's shin and the qurans (allah's attributes) one?
A. Yes
Q. Are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit one?
A. No
Q. Is Jesus God?
A. No because something that is uncreated cannot be created.
Q. Are the qurans uncreated and created?
A. Yes
Q. Are hafs quran, warsh quran and doori quran three qurans?
A. No. They are 3 recitations not 3 qurans.
Q. What does "quran" mean?
A. RECITATION
Q. Are all the qurans the same?
A. Yes
Q. But one quran says "I", another says "you"
A. They are different accents
I s a i a h 6 : 5 - 7
Well done Brother, allow your anointing from the Holy Spirit to keep driving your passion to bring other's to the Kingdom. Proud of you. All Glory to God.
Why use the same script that has already been debunked or argument beaten by other Christians?
God bless Jordan..it cant be easy trying explain to these people the basics of the Holy Trinity...because even when you do..they dont accept it..meanwhile, their greatest achievement is worshipping a black stone..which is something pagans would do..
INDEED!!! WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS FOR THE SOUL IN ISLAM!!! 🤔🙂
Yo Soco getting in on it at the end! Lets goo
Please, Jesus Christ's have mercy on nonbelievers of God almighty 🙏 leave false belief 🙏
It is an occurrence at once above nature and above man. It shows the intervention of a power that is not limited by the laws either of matter or of mind, a power interrupting the fixed laws which govern their movements, a supernatural power.
*(John 5:23) that all may honor the Son as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.*
*Jesus Christ❤✝ God in the flesh*
God bless this man, in jesus name
Mansur is glad someone is listening to his ramblings.
How is it so hard to comprehend The Trinity me as an atheist turned agnostic before i was Christian heard the concept and it was very clear to me how it works and ofc it made sense because God can do whatever and ofc creating a human filled w The Holy Spirit is a perfect way to show humans an example and to have somebody who looks like them teach them the way to eternal life its actually insane how amazing The Bible is still cant believe God didnt abandon me after all i did and sometimes still do.
My God can do all things and that's what they don't get
I LOVE THA WOMAN.....shes helps spreading the word of JESUS.....lol....
I don't think new Christians should debate until they fully have studied the Dawah script which is quite easy to destroy if you know it. The Brother has potential tho.
They don't need to fully study the Koran but know the basics.
@@rosahacketts1668 They don't even need to know the basics, just the script that Dawah crew use on Christians. It's always the same script, it's been dismantled many times by Christians that know it.
@@albionblue123INDEED!!! FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS SAME SCRIPT!!!😏🙂
Abdul was doubting what Christian witnessed in his life time. That's funny since Abduls claim to bear witness to events that happened 1400 years ago. Too funny
Hebrews 1:7-10
[7] This is what God said about the angels: “He changes his angels into winds and his servants into flaming fire.” Psalm 104:4 [8] But this is what he said about his Son: “God, your kingdom will last forever and ever. You use your authority for justice. [9] You love what is right and hate what is wrong. So God, your God, has chosen you, giving you more honor and joy than anyone like you.” Psalm 45:6-7 [10] God also said, “O Lord, in the beginning you made the earth, and your hands made the sky.
Father calls Jesus god!!
God bless brother 🙏🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
If Muslims say God is not like his creation. Why do they always say he is like His creation that He is one like his creation.
It doesn't happen that often. Never met a none Christian received any of these things in the way this brother had.
This is ManSewer’s poorest debate move! He says “miracles have a specific definition”. Then he’s asked what is that definition and because he is ignorant he can’t really define what a miracle is so he ask his debate opponent to define it?😂😂😂
This is why muslims, & Christians as well. Need to understand the Ontological structure of the Trinity, & the Economic Trinity. To understand the structure of the unity in (Deut. 6:4)
To know the significance of God incarnate when we speak of the Trinity in the NT (John 1; 17:1-5).
Bc Ehad/ One in (Deut 6:4), is not the same type of "One" in our English language. As one item, or One Person etc etc. Ehad is a unity of one, a plurality of one. Just has the Hebrew language says, that Adam & Eve became Ehad/One flesh. So the two became one, they became ehad.
So the Trinity is Ehad 💯
Was there anything you said biblical bass..
@@cornydread Yes of course, that's where it comes from. Bc the OT teaches The Word of God / The Angel of the Lord is the Son. Then the NT scriptures teach that Son from the OT scriptures, became incarnate. Who is Jesus The 1st Begotten, that was in the bosom of the father.
But maybe u believe the Trinity came from Babylon, which is a Association fallacy of the Babylon gods.
@@onlylove556 you are a blatant liar. you cannot show any body Trinity from the bible u lie against God..
ManSewer won’t let SOCO and others to film him but he says we shouldn’t have a problem with being filmed??
Brother JC, why is Mansur still at the park? His dawah scrip weak.
Brother David should ask him questions like he did with Scrappy.
Wish you would turn on comments for that video. It was so funny.
God bless you, brother JC.
When Mansur spoke about dependence, I immediately thought of his disgusting prophet... surely their 'god' could come up with someone better. Who even wrote their verses?
The Trinity is not dependent, they cannot be separated because they are one! A triangle has three sides, it is one triangle Mansure.. wrapped up in divine LOVE. Jesus is God, the end. 🙏
Shalini knows how to deal with scrappy and Mansur! Honestly that is the type of courtesy that one should practice with them
Allah needed gabriel to give the quaran to mohhamed
My friend Jubril is Satan and not an angel.
Angels appeared to prophets in the Bible in human forms. Muhammed never saw Jubril
@@user-sl1tx7uc2y🎯🙂
Why are comments being turned off on some videos?
We are not like God. We are one human being but "person" is something else. Person is who we identify ourselves to be. There is a psychological condition call "multiple personality disorder". This means multiple persons in one body. A human being can have multiple persons within - even if this is an ilness. The point is, a human CAN BE MORE THAN ONE PERSON (or personality). However, this argument is not necessary because GOD almighty can be in multiple places at once, be multiple persons, hear and see every one of us AT ONCE.
We have something of GOD in us BUT we are NOT like GOD. 😊
Suruh mansyur buka quranya pasti lari...
16“Come near me and listen to this:
“From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret;
at the time it happens, I am there.”
And now the Sovereign Lord has sent me,
endowed with his Spirit.
Isaiah 48
Trinity will always be troubling nightmare that haunts those who aren't willing to ask the grace & guidance from Almighty Father to grasp the true meaning of it. HIS way is never human's way that's why human should ask the grace & wisdom from HIM in order to fully understand the true meaning behind it. It's the only way.
Some of the Brothas in 🇬🇧 need to SLOOOW it down just a bit. Stuttering when it’s Not biological means you’re going waaay to fast. His accent is harsh, too. Almost doesn’t even sound like English
I was in speakers corner in 1pm and noone was there 😢😢 what time do u guys come
From 1
@@SocoFilms i wanted to see bob or others 😭i came from middlesbrough love you so much guys love your videos
Mansour says jesus is dependant on the father and therefore cannot be God.What matter is the role of jesus. jesus christ became the source of salvation for all humanity after he ascended to heaven and got glorified at the right hand of God verse: (read verse 11 below)
1 john 5:10-12 Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony:GOD HAS GIVEN US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 john 5:10-20 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Hebrews 5:7-10 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
If Allah is not like his creation. And his creation(humans) are one person. Allah technically has to be two or more persons else he’s like us 🤔
Pleasw fix this audio..its impossible too listen too.
Why are the comments of on the new videos
mansur with new christian...everyone knows it.
Mansur, why don't u debate Christian Prince or Sam Shamoun or Ahmad Ex-muslim
Mansoor will never understand
I really have a hard time understanding. Mumbly, hard accent, fast speaking. Thx tho.
TRY THE SUBTLETIES!!!🤗🙂
@@Aurora-uq5hm "year whil I thought that ah is not bang him" 0:54. AI cant figure it out either. I usually can understand more than the AI and subs but this one is oof. Nope. Thx.
This mansur is so childish so immature. Never defends Islam.
Allah The Pagan ☪ 'Moon-god' of Arabia..
▪︎ Archaeologist & historian, Hugo Winckler, identified Hubal as an Arabian pagan 'moon-god', and claims that worship of the god Allah (al-ilah 'the god') evolved from that of the ancient god Hubal, thus making Allah a pagan "moon-god" also. (Robert Morey's 1994 book 'Moon-god in the Archeology of the Middle East').
▪︎ Muhammad was born in Mecca 570 AD. into the Arabian pagan tribe of Quraysh, in the clan of Hāshim who were the custodians of the pagan Kabba Shrine and whose chief god and Lord was the god Allah.. (Muhammad, The Encyclopædia of Islam; Britannica; Wikipedia).
▪︎ Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah were the three pagan daughters of Allah, supposedly the offspring of Allah's marriage to a Jinn, and had their sanctuaries in the Pagan Kabba Shrine, Mecca, which later became the birth place of Islam. (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam).
▪︎ After Muhammad entered and conquered Mecca in 630, he destroyed the statue of Hubal from the Kaaba along with 360 idols of all the other pagan polytheistic gods including the idols representing Allah's 3 daughters. Moreover, Muhammad retained the pagan god Allah, the Kabba, Hajj, Jinn, Rituals and Blackstone, etc. for his new religion, Islam. (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam; khanacademy.org)..
▪︎ In a weak moment Muhammad was tempted to recognize the 3 powerful deities Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah of Mecca and make a compromise in their favour, but afterwards he retracted and the revelation is said to have received the form now found in the.. Quran 53:19-20. (Wikipedia) ........
Islam, Quran, Muhammad & Allah -
The creation of Islam, Quran & the modified functions of Allah - Come from the fabrications of Muhammad & Uthman, et al...652 + AD.
▪︎ Obeying Muhammad is obeying Allah.. (Quran 4:80, 33:36, 46:31, 33:55-56) .. Shirk ..
▪︎ Glorify Allah & Muhammad morning and night (Quran 33:36; 48:9) .. Shirk..
▪︎ Islam places Muhammad in a position equal with the god - Allah..
▪︎ Islam reprehensibly endeavours to promote Muhammad to a Divine status equal to or beyond that of Jesus Christ, Son of God, God Incarnate, The Word Became Flesh..
▪︎ "K*ll those who reject and turn away from Allah.." (Quran 4:89).
▪︎ "I will cast terror into the hearts of disbelievers. Strike off their heads who disbelieve and strike off every finger tip..(Quran 8:12).
▪︎ "As for male and female thieves, cut off their hands for what they have done - a deterrent from Allah. (Quran 5:38).
▪︎ "As to those who reject faith I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and the hereafter..(Quran 3:56).
▪︎ "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah..(Quran 4:76, 2:244).
▪︎ Allah Says, "Surely those who reject Our signs, We will cast them into the Fire. Whenever their skin is burnt completely, We will replace it so they will ˹constantly˺ taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is Almighty, All-Wise." (Quran 4:56).
▪︎ The Quran's first revelation was, "man was made from a clot of blood" (The Clot, Quran 96:1-2).
The History Reveals The Truth..!
BUT JESUS Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach (Yahweh - Yeshua) is both Fully Divine Man and Fully God who Exists Eternally & who Appeared To Abraham & Moses:
The Accuser Satan Accuses Us Day & Night Before Our God.." (Revelation 12:10).
▪︎ JESUS describes how SATAN knowingly misquotes Scripture and misinterprets Scripture out of context (Matthew 4:1-10)....
▪︎ "The LAW and the Prophets were Proclaimed until John the Baptist.." (Luke 16:16).
OT Prophecies Come True -
▪︎ The Messiah would be born of a virgin - (Isaiah 7:14) > (Matthew 1:22-23; Luke 1:26-31).
▪︎ The Messiah wold be born in Bethlehem - (Micah 5:2) > (Matt 2:1; Luke 2:4-6).
• Jesus Christ The Redeemer is God. (Isaiah 44:6).
▪︎ OT - God said to Moses, "I Am Who I Am", (Ehyeh - YHWH - Yahweh - Lord), "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, this is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation" (Exodus 3:13-15).
▪︎ God said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites: 'I Am has sent me to you'" (Exodus 3:13-15).
▪︎ The Pre-Incarnate Jesus visited & ate with Abraham outside his Tent (Genesis 18:1-15).
▪︎ And The Pre-Incarnate Jesus (Yahweh) tested Abraham with his Son.. (Genesis 22:1-19).
▪︎ NT - Jesus said, " Truly, I tell you, Before Abraham was Born "I Am" (John 8:55-58).
▪︎ NT - Jesus (Yeshua) said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I Am!”
At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds". (John 8:54-59).
God Is Love.!
▪︎ "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.." (1John 4:7-21).
▪︎ Jesus Said, "Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him" (1John 3:15).
▪︎ "Love does no wrong to a neighbor therefore Love is the fulfilling of the Law" (Rom 13:10; Matt 22:30-40).
CHRIST'S 2 Greatest Commandments Are To Love:
▪︎"Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
1. Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment"
2. "And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you"’
☆ "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:30-40).
▪︎ Christ's Law, the New Covenant, overrules OT Violence & Rituals. (Matthew 5:38:48).
▪︎ Jesus said, You have heard it said, "an eye for an eye, etc. But I tell you, Love your enemy" (Matt 5:38-48).
▪︎ Life is the journey, Paradise is the destination, King Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.....
Amen..
THANK YOU!!🤗🙂 9 = THE MOON = HIDDIN!!! THE NUMBER RUNS ALL THOUGH THE KORAN!!!🙂
Hes new face maybe hes not knowledgeable so its ok even SOCO is there its ok to have discussion with him right mansour😅😅😅
Mansur scared him off - it was a bad defence on Trinity
Mansur has the correct concept of the Trinity, he is just stuck on the PERSONs. A human being cannot be 3 persons because he is finite, God can be 3 persons because he is infinite. The three roles can be persons and still be one God.
9:09
Mansur, the Christians believe in the Trinity and accept it as a matter of fact.
Why do you believe in allah?
What make it real to you?
Your knowledge or your faith?
Have you ever seen him?
But the Christians claim they have seen Him.....
In Jesus, Christians have seen GOD!
Bob is always asking for evidence of muslims claims - well where is his evidence - his proof - that god exists ?!
Mansur the liar
Mansur, don't waste yr time, no one is listening to u. U hv made the faith of Christians more strong & we will continue to obey & follow the Bible.
Jesus isn't God. God is not a man
Your arrogance is astounding. How dare you tell GOD what He can and csnt do
Agree
my man belives in math more than his salvation . how about yoy go apply math on black holes will that work ?
allah knows no language at all only speak arabic
Mansur vs christian guy
Mansur: Is the son dependent upon the father?
Christian guy: They all errr they all are one.
Mansur: That was not my question.
Christian guy: Ahhh I have to go
This christian guy fumbled pretty badly. Clearly Mansur was the winner. Despite video being heavily edited by the christian team.
According to sahih al bukhari al Lah created people to worship him, and he worships himself as well.. which means al lah needs creation to worship him, because he is dependent
Narrated Abu Wail:
`Abdullah (bin Mas`ud) said, "None has more sense of ghaira than Allah therefore - He prohibits shameful sins (illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly. *And none loves to be praised more than Allah does, and for this reason He praises Himself."* I asked Abu Wali, "Did you hear it from `Abdullah?" He said, "Yes," I said, "Did `Abdullah ascribe it to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" He said, "Yes."
Sahih al-Bukhari 4634
In-book reference : Book 65, Hadith 156
@@Giorgi755 According to Ezekiel 14:9 the christian god is a liar. Read - And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Evidently, Jeremiah has testified the christian god is a liar. Read - O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7
So what can you expect from a cult rotten from the top??
Mansur's own illustration defeated him. He said one person can have 3 roles and still be one person, therefore one God can be 3 persons and still be one God.
@@dangdutirama1679 Make it a habit to read just a few verses above:
Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations. 7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself: 8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. 10 And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him; 11 That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me, neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 14:6-11
The Lord will deceive the one who follows idols, not innocents. Your vile god deceived Maryam the mother of Isa. What did she ever do to him to deserve the deception? What did the followers of Isa do to deserve the deception? What did Isa do to deserve being caused to die???
I like how muslims find it illogical for God who no one can fully understand become human and finf it impossible, finding the creator if all things possible and impossible seen and unseen imanginabke and unimaginable able to come down and become man himself at the same time being in the heavens and spirit is an insult to God himself. Are you to tell me God is uncapabale or/and at that unwilling to meet his creations in the flesh? Do muslims audibly and physically meet and speak to God to make them this stubborn?