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- Today I talk about the higher vampire Orianna. Or is Orianna a higher vampire, as many actually believe Orianna to be a bruxa. She Was first introduced in the blood and wine DLC and in that Dlc part of her story are explored, I will attempt to tell you the parts you probably over-looked or, if not may this video act a refresher on Orianna's story in blood and wine.. In today's video I'll cover Orianna's potential origins, her history and her death and Orianna's personality.
Orianna the Higher Vampire witcher blood and wine DLC.
Orianna the Bruxa witcher blood and wine DLC.
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The whole quest at her party and specifically the scene with Geralt, Regis, Ana Henrieta, Detlaff, and Orianna all sitting and talking is one of my favorite parts of the game. The fact that there's three vampires there, including the beast of beauclair himself, and Ana Henrietta is completely in the dark, is just a really cool dynamic.
I absolutely love her.
She’s “evil”, but she suits it so elegantly.
Everyone has its weaknesses, vampires too.
Wolf Lord Hardahat She didn't even do anything "evil" in the game. She feeds off children, but doesn't kill them. The kids say she treats them well.
For a vampire, that's a pretty good thing she did.
Carth Canten Exactly! 👍🏻
Carth Canten
Well the reason she treats them well and doesnt kill them is because she wants a source of tasty blood that doesnt deplete.
It’s not out of kindness, but out of predatory reasons.
@@AlphaQHard in my opinion, the means justify the ends: who cares if you do some good just for your own profit?
The children are way better off in the orphanage than starving (or worse) in the streets.
Exactly. Its the one thing I didn't like about higher vampire lore. Why would they be the one exception?
I like to believe that the "A night to remember" trailer is actually Geralt going back for Orianna as he says after he visits her orphanage in the Blood and Wine DLC.
Yes it is!
my thoughts exactly!
No it's not. CDPR just recycled the woman from the trailer to make the model for Orianna. The setting of the trailer is clearly Novigrad, not Toussiant.
@@Wasserkaktus Maybe Orianna left Toussaint. If Gerald says he's coming back for you, would you stay? Besides CDPR more or less confirmed the intention was that the trailer was the conclusion if this story.
477sierra They both explicitly mention a contract being out on the bruxa's head as well. I highly doubt Orianna would leave her cushy, aristocratic position in Toussiant, just to become a monster terrifying locals in Novigrad, resulting in a bounty on her head. Geralt and the bruxa do not appear to recognize one another at all in the trailer either.
Sorry man, as much as fans want to create their own fanfic linking Orianna and this bruxa, the limit of their relationship is that CDPR decided to use the bruxa's character template for Orianna in Blood and Wine.
Superior black blood...never start on the path without it!
Jason Woods is that the stuff geralt drank and protected him when he was bit?
jman7481 yes. There are three levels to some potions in the game and black blood is one of them. It is extremely effective against all vampires in the game.
Absolutly. Black blood has saved me countless time
I past the entire dlc without it , because i mever found it :(
@@jorgepalacios1771 How much you died?
Plot twist: Geralt is a higher vampire.
I know its pointless but could a high vampire child become a witcher 🤔
@@hadesflame9342 Didn't they transformed an elf into a Witcher?
Yes. If he is not, he couldmt have killed detlaff
@@rayvincyful1 regis killed dettlaf
@@republic0_032 regis killed detlaff. But still, Gert did defeat detlaff, which was still impossible
I just love that trailer
Imagine if all the Witcher Netflix was like that
That would be perfect
I'd cry.
@Rizál Li Animation like this is really expensive and takes a long time to produce, so not realistic.
spoder man it’s not going to be anywhere near that but it’d be perfect if it was
Caius Juvonen well if they used the in game engine to do the animations it’d likely be much cheaper, and the cutscenes in the game look nearly as good as the trailer so it wouldn’t be that expensive for them to do so
The witcher 3 best rpg of all time
Fabian69 After Skyrim that is.
Nah, skyrim doesn't compare story wise. And skyrim has many issues that mods fix - if mods are needed then you've failed somewhere.
Tink dayum
Tink I thought Skyrim was boring but that’s just me
@@kylefruits8821 Skyrim and the Witcher 3 are completely different types of games. Please stop comparing them...
One of the greatest songs in all of existence.
AngryCat Gaming no
Play it during Halloween on loudish speakers, gets alot of attention, it's become a tradition now, ahhh I love TW3
SlyRooster1241 hahaha that's fucking awesome. Even vampire lullabies are creepy.
You must be on ACID...
Dont be silly
6:28 I think every higher vampire can transform into a more agressive/bestial form for combat. Even before Blood and Wine Geralt fights Hubert Rejk, a higher vampire who transform into a Katakan, so Orianna can transform into a bruxa, we don't see Regis transformation in the game but in the books he could transform into something like a Fleder and Dettlaff has a unique transformation. So I think every higher vampire has that abillity.
I think Regis could turn into a giant bat of some sort if you look at his alternate Gwent cards.
Not every higher vampire, they all have unique abilities though! The fact she looks identical to a bruxa, does show that, that is what they were going for.
Regis talks to cranes
Detlaff and Regis are top tier higher vampires. They travel at the speed of sound, have razor long sharp claws, can transform into a giant bat and do crazy shit like trapping you in a flesh room with several hearts. You just cant compare fighting Detlaff to fighting a Katakan or a Bruxa. Detlaff boss fight is definitely the hardest boss fight in the entire game.
Doesn't explain how Geralt can kill her though
"You know I'll come back for you, right?"
Well, I think that there are two kinds of Higher Vampires (sencient vampires): the one who can change their form and are killable (katakan and bruxae, as Hubert and Orianna) and the one who can change their form, have particular abilities and are unkillable (like Regis and Dettlaff).
Very possible, but that's cdprojektred's own version of the lore I suppose!
Like maybe once they get old enough or something they gain traits of higher vampires, like the one who was trying to get the hand for Dettlaff may have been on the border of becoming one with exposure to Dettlaff, like maintaining composure and more social traits as well as more sophisticated cognitive abilities. For the games lore at least?
I thought Katakans, Fleders, garkains and Ekimmaras are Lower Vampires (Cant change to people, they are more like wild beasts) and Higher who can speak and mask in cities without raising suspicion (Bruxae, Alp, NPC Vampires - Orianna, Detlaff, Regis)
and that Vampire who wait for year 1358 in Novigrad....
the Bone I wish there was a blade that can kill immortal creatures permanently, by enchanting it to absorb their life force onto the blade.
Vít Čábela
In the books higher vampires were we only the ones like Regis and Detlaff
That scene at the beginning all ways gives me goosebumps!! God I love this game!
I think she’s a Bruxa, but very ancient one - probably the strongest of them all. Maybe that’s why she has such a status to be among other higher vampires
Definitely weaker than Vireena. Then again, she was the most powerful vampire introduced (that wasn't a "True" higher vampire).
A CDPR director confirmed that Orianna is indeed a higher vampire. In the game Regis said that every higher vampire is different like Regis have Raven spies and Dettlaff can manipulate lesser vampires. She just happened to be Bruxa-like
The whole higher vampire thing is confusing at best, Geralt kills the coroner of Novigrad who is "higher" vampire, although the notes he left explaining his crimes still kept appearing after his "death" hinting that maybe Geralt didn't actually kill him even though he appeared to believe he had.
Happy Dog I think the letters still appearing is a bug as you don't hear about any murders after killing the vamp
Yeah and also in blood in wine, geralt states that only a higher vampire can kill another higher vampire, Its a big plot hole 😭, it's my favorite game and it sucks to have a plot hole
Imagination is the Ideal plaster to heal plot holes lol
She's a bruxa - been confirmed by developers, no plot hole about that.
@@tink5488 we are not talking about orianna, we're talking about the higher vampire in novigrad Geralt kills him ,but he later states in the B&W DLC that only a higher vampire can kill another higher vampire
Well. Guess I am going to have to play Witcher 3 for the third time.
Zaheer Sarang You've only played it twice?????......That's blasphemy.... and a little bit racist for reasons I'll come up with at a later date.
You must atone for your sins, brother. Go to the confession booth and say 60 Hail Hemmelfarts.
The Witcher 3 has to be played at least 5 times with trying all the possible events
Remember to seek moderation in all things, in drink and vittles and the pleasures of the flesh, for whosoever shall abuse these pleasures shall awake the next morn in great pain, with a pounding head and a wilted member.
@@pustulio81 Haha, how is it racist? You an Elf
IM ON MY 8TH PLAYTHROUGH, SHAME ON YOU
Blood and wine will FOREVER be the greatest DLC that I have and will ever play. Sorry I’m saying it in such a confident manner but that dlc gave me so many beautiful memories. I can’t believe when I bought the witcher 3 I was even considering not buying the game of the year edition... and it was only $20 at the time!! Thankgod I ended up buying it.
Didn't find Orianna attractive but after watching the 'A Night to Remember" trailer and she untied her hair, I was like whoah!!
I actually never had any issues with the Vampire controversy.
I see it like this: There is the species (or what ever you wanna call it) called "Higher Vampire" and then, there is a "higher" vampire then the "non-sapient", or sometimes just less smart vampires. So a Bruxa is a "higher" vampire, compared to a Fleder. Also Katakan is a higher vampire compared to a Fleder. //Also when Geralt says that a Katakan is a higher vampire, he means it is a "stronger" vampire (maybe he is also boasting about the fact he just killed a stronger vampire, so he'd get payed adequately).
But Regis belongs to the species of "Higher Vampires".
So Orianna might really be a Bruxa. Dettlaff's Bruxa friend in the beginning of Blood and Wine was clearly sapient. But she still is a "lesser" vampire than a "Higher Vampire".
Hope someone still reads this, as this comment comes quite late :-)
Geralt can't actually kill her because she is a higher vampire. If it wasn't for that, she would have to follow Detlaff as Bruxa in "Blood and Wine" when he orders the attack on Beauclair. Only higher vampires do not have to follow these calls and as a higher vampire she can only be killed by another high vampire. CDPR is probably contradicting itself because they no longer know where they were singing and when. But since I rate the game higher than the trailer, Orianna is a higher vampire and the trailer just has a flaw.
@@gunterschabowski2907 There is a bit of dialog between Regis and Geralt when you run through Toussaint during the vampire attack where Geralt asks Regis something along the lines of: "I though lesser vampire don't have to follow a higher vampire orders" to which Regis replies: "The don't" ...
Regis said that vampire's power and place in the society depends on their age.
Orianna is probably a very old Bruxa, which developed her sentience very well, but maybe not old and powerful enough to be a True Higher Vampire.
That works in the cdprojektred version yes!
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Thanks man!
When I go out from the orphanage house, and I heard her sing in the game, I got goosebumps... And I suddenly remembered this trailer
Just replaying the Blood and Wine quest. Wanted to point out that in the conversation with Regis about regeneration, he specifically says that if another race kills "one of us, we can be reborn with another higher vampires help". So Oriana could be killed by Geralt, but another higher vampire could still bring her back.
Possibly, however I feel as though Geralt would be thorough and wouldn't risk his life simply so she could come back
Definitely possible. I think the most likely option is just that it's a bit of inconsistency in the writing (hard not to have some of that across that many books and games). Regis does say too that Detlaff helped him regenerate at great cost to himself (or some similar wording, can't remember exactly) so it may be unlikely that anybody is likely to help Oriana regenerate, unlike in the case of Regis, where Detlaff specifically values vampires in the way some animals value members of their pack and so felt compelled to help.
I tought Regis meant that it speeds up the regeneration,not that is mandatory to have someone to revive you.
"I'll be back!" -the terminator- Geralt of Rivia
DAMN i was searching Orianna on CZcams literally minutes ago then received the notification
Aha glad to help!
Same! I just finished B&W and didn't get to kill her. Thought I had missed the quest or something, what a coincidence...
Edit: watching the video again.
I remember in the game, Garalt or Regis says: "TRULY higher vampires can not be killed" so.. maybe was diferent levels inside the "high vampire" or, orianna is not dead, she will regenerate in bunch hundred of years.
I see Orianna as a Bruxa who has climbed the social ladder into association with the higher vampires
CDProject Red's dev that was asked if Orianna was a higher vampire because, in older games, bruxae were considered as such, later corrected the statement and confirmed that she was, indeed, a bruxa and not a true higher vampire. This does not mean her behavior is unrealistic: bruxae in the Witcher lore have the ability to become basically indistinguishable from a human, and especially for a very old bruxa like her that lived amongst human for quite some time, mimicking a human is easy job. Basically, vampires are differenciated between true higher vampires that are the likes of Regis or Detlaff or the Unseen Eldar, which are truly immortals with incredible power, and lower vampires which are mortal. Amongst these, you have the more beastly vampires (ekimmaras, garkhains, fleders, plumards) and more intelligent ones. Amongst the more intelligent, you have the ones that can more or less mimick a human for feeding (alps, mulas, neukrats/nosferats) and those that, if old enough, can basically become undistinguishable from one (bruxae, katakans, rarely neukrats). It all boils down to one thing: a true higher vampire cannot be killed, unless another vampire sucks his life essence (blood) and thus drains him
In addition, when they are young, higher vampires might act like "punks" as Regis recounts to Geralt, while a younger lower vampire of the higher intelligence (bruxae, katakans etc.) will act only on their beastly instincts, not even being able to transform into human.
Thanks, that is the same explanation, which I think is, what this is all about. But way better worded than I could have.
That's effectively the cdprojektred version Yes!
Orianna is an odd character, she has the physical characteristics of an Alp, but, she acts like a Bruxa LOL
pustulio, i'd say it's just an accident, since she is a redhead and for some reason the majority of Alps in TW3 are modeled redheads
DonPatrono Yeah, They've been using the red hair as the visual difference between them since the first game.
When he says “nice tune, it’s been a while since I heard it last” is because he heard her sing it to the orphan on the blood and wine DLC 🔥🔥🔥
I'd say there are 2 deffinitions of higher vampire, being a "higher" vampire as is stronger then most, and being a demigod-like being such as datlaf. and that orianna and that guy in Novigrad are both "higher" but not at the top so to say.
most likely!
Some bruxas can talk and think they can just be killed conveniently
aha
WitcherGeorge Maybe bruxas that can’t talk have simply lived in the wilds to long and have become feral forgetting how to blend in with humans or maybe they just don’t want to live with humans. If you count higher vampires as a vampire that can talk Orinna is higher, if you count higher vampires as vampires that can’t be killed she is lesser
WitcherGeorge remember that Bruxa at the inn and later in cellars of Corvo Bianco, which was after Detlaff's severed hand. Introduced to Geralt by Milton de Peyrac-Peyran and his acquaintances as the innkeepers daughter. She had quite the conversation with Geralt as well. Bruxae are sentient to a point as human mind can tell no difference or at least the ones in Beauclair do. Also some undiscovered locations offered a trade of blows with couple of Alps and Bruxae. Where we saw some love letters and such stuff on the bodies of victims. Which also supports the idea that Bruxae can live among humans and play the role of an individual in the community. Hence it is possible that Orianna is possibly a Bruxa.
Not only high higher vampires can be a part of society. Lesser higher vampires(if that makes sense) like katakans can be smart and actually make a part of society. Think about the coroner from Priscilla's quest, that one fights like a katakan in my opinion.
Well that's just great. I get my ass handed to me by some Blood Angels, then WitcherGeorge comes out with a video about Bruxa. Vampires man I can't get away from them.
Maybe you should make a video on the killer/killers in the mission "carnal sins" (where Priscilla is attacked with acid). i just played thru it for a second time and tried to talk instead of fighting right away and learned much more about who the killer was (a higher vampire and coroner) and what his intention was, but i dont know if it is enough for a whole video.
Good idea!
Sigurd Riseth. Really? I was mad at the dude so i just started swinging without asking questions
I’ve always been fascinated with vampires from the Witcher 3 Wild Hunt and the lore surrounding them. If you could, maybe do a video about Hym’s and demons next if you haven’t already?
Good idea!
Well In the game we have seen Katakans also being integrated into society. For example the coroner in Novigrad. He calls himself a higher vampire by he is obviously a Katakan and was killed by Geralt normally. So it can be said that higher vampires (such as Regis) are not the only ones of the species that integrate into human communities. So Orianna can be both a bruxa and a citizen in Beauclair.
Anyway in my head cannon the night to remember is happening after B&W as a fulfillment of Geralt's promise to come after her. No matter the inconsistencies.
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thank you man!
I meant to say I’m quite confused because there are so many vampires that are higher , even katakans that can speak like gael
My personal head cannon is that Orianna is a very old powerful Bruxa. She is one of the only vampires to have the key to the unseen elders cave so she must be pretty powerful. I also class bruxa, alps, and katakans as LESSER higher vampires.
Yes! I’ve been in a pissy mood and this just absolutely made my day lol. Motivated to pick up the books again. I love Regis especially, and I think saying goodbye to him AGAIN in BaW was easily one of the saddest parts of knowing that part of the universe is done, likely forever. Honestly, in my fantasy world, a DLC which lets you briefly play as Regis or Detlaff as higher vampires would be amazing but that’s just the devastation speaking lol. 💔
Cam and Minnepeg I fucking love Regis in the books! Having a drink with him in the game was definitely Heart warming.
Eliseo Zamora who knows? Regis and Detlaff are pushing, what, 400 years? Maybe we’ll get to play a game set in earlier times one day and meet a young punk ass Regis on a bender lol. It would be a hilarious Easter egg and fans would go crazy for it.
The woman who motion captured for her is very beautiful imo
that she is!
If only I'd seen that trailer before completing the game! I like that you can't actually kill her, too... It's a testament to the imagination of the world that you can be blown away by a scene that you know you'll never experience.
It's brilliant!
This was a launch trailer for the main game. You can see, he killed her in Novigrad and then rode back to Toussaint to get his reward. The orphans were finally revenged. Love it!
Love your name and pic lol
Just stumbled upon your channel while looking for Witcher game lore. Great, great work! Keep it up!
She is not the bruxa. Vereena was the only one well describded bruxa in the books, and Orianna didn't have any of her skills or features.
Orianna is the red-haired ALP, but probably very old and powerful one. Or, maybe, she is mix-breed, a daughter of alp and higher vampire or something like that.
amazing video man, even 4 years later 👏
So far I've only watched the first 5 minutes, but I just gotta say one thing. There are *two* types of higher vampires: higher vampires like Regis and Dettlaf, and higher vampires for example like Orianna and that coroner in Novigrad (Hubert I think was his name). You can't kill the real higher vampires like Regis, but you can kill vampires like Orianna because they are a different type. Even CDPR said that, and they quoted the books, but I can't seem to find the source atm. I'll link it if I find it later.
Note: Only some higher vampires can be bruxas, katakans etc.
I also remember from somewhere( maybe from Regis), that lesser vampires can become higher one, but it's a process requires time.
There's actually multiple theories, I talk about there being different degrees of higher vampires and how cdprojektred fiddled with the lore a bit to make that cutscene make sense
That killer in Novigrad wasn't a higher vampire. He was a katakan. He even changes during the fight.
He is a higher vampire that can change into a katakan. As I said there are two different types. Even Hubert (that vampire) himself said he indeed is one.
Geralt himself states in the quest "The Oxenfurt drunk" that katakans are higher vampires. czcams.com/video/ckkfeogCrc4/video.html
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Aha thanks man
9:30 maybe Geralt didn't fully kill her but destroy her enough to really complicate her to regenerate. Pretty much like (SPOILER ALERT) Vilgefortz did with Regis.
I considered this idea before making this video, but after reading quotes from the developer, it is pretty clear she is meant to be gone for good!
Oh
Another fantastic video xx I love having these shorter videos to reveal in the witcher universe! xx
Thank you!
That serial killer - vampire who attacked Priscilla was also higher Vampire but changed to Ekimara (or Katakan i dont remember) - I think it was beacause they had only two Vampire monsters in base game. Also Detlaff can change to Ultimate monster version etc...
yes he can! so why would a higher vampire decide to turn into the form of a lesser vampire? It seems a little dumb on that vampires part.
I remember, it was incredibly disappointing.
I mean... Regis says... the older the vampire the more he specialises in several traits. Detlaff was a very old vampire just like Regis. We don't know the age of the one who attacked priscilla.
You kick ass, man!!! I really love the presentation and as a noob, I'm learning all of this for the first time. Without you I'd probably find this boring. Good job homie and keep it up
Thanks Robert!
I think its the same situation with the vampire that attacks Priscilla. The documents you find suggest he was a higher vampire but he was just a katakan. I guess in CDPR's verse there are levels of higher vampire.
Maybe Bruxa civilize if they live long enough? They dont all have to be as savage as girl from the Beauty and the Beast short story.
You are literally making me want to buy this game finally. Found you a few days ago and I'm addicted and I want to explore the world for myself now! ❤️😭
can't believe you haven't. Only one of the best games ever made, this and also witcher 1 and a little bit of witcher 2.
It's amazing!
Has anyone considered she might be an alp? I dont know much about alps though so maybe not, but arent they more intelligent than bruxae and still mortal?
Yes, except the devs said it's best to consider her a bruxa
I think when people argue about how Orianna is intelligent and etc about how she can't be a Bruxa, they forget about the serial killer in Novigrad who works/worked as the coroner for years and who turned out to be a much more bestial vampire than Bruxae present to be. Not to mention the first Bruxa you encounter is the daughter of the innkeeper where you fail to get clam chowder.
damn..i actually saved her in the game...
I was NOT expecting to hear that lullaby of woe at the beginning and wow it hit me hard
aha it's so cool
Well, it is just a trailer so it might not be not canon, especially seeing how there are multiple choices and routes in which the story can go in the Witcher games.
I'm pretty sure in the game it was stated that you can kill a higher Vampire but they can be resurrected by other higher vampire. The only one's who can completely put them down is other higher vampires. So in theory Garelt did kill her, that is till someone revives her.
Do we know she's dead after the trailer? Geralt could have just meant it as a righteous arse kicking, knowing that she'll recover in a few years. Thanks for the video. Cheers.
The fact her entire body seemed to begin decomposing over the night seems to show that there is no regeneration on her part (as we see the reverse effect)
she was healthy in the trailer which means that she couldve just regenerated her lost arm, there is only two
explanations for that, which are, 1- there is two kinds of higher vampires, ones are killable and the others not(stronger) or 2- the poison geralt drank was a some sort of anti-regeneration poison which is a bit shaky because im almost sure that higher vampires do not get affected by poison, i would say that the first one makes more sense for the game(because this will not fly in the books).
Mash, the potion was most likely Black Blood, and the fight was a ruse from Geralt to get her to drink it via his blood. (Ciri claims to have done the same in a Blood and Wine epilogue.)
Witcher George, the decaying could have come from the Black Blood.... Maybe. But you're probably correct. Thanks for the answer, and all the videos.
Exhar Khun. We assume she is dead as her species of vampire can die. Plus she decomposed overnight and Geralt took her head
__Raccoonzs_ I didn't see him take her head, and I didn't see her head hanging from Roach. But I wrote that off as it being personal, not a contract. But you are right, he walks to her with his trophy hook, so he is planning to take her head. Ergo, he knows she is dead. So George's explanation stands. (Not that I was arguing. Just seeking more information)
In Novigrad there's a mission where a Higher Vampire acts as a serial killer and when confronted it transforms into a Katakan but he was fully in control of himself. Same thing can be said about Orinna, except she transforms into a Bruxa. My point in this is that it's possible Higher Vampires can have different transformations.
I made a video about it!
What about that other 'higher vampire' who can talk and stuff that you kill in Novigrad?
Good idea!
Lol, maybe, but Orianna's singing voice is prettier!
That trailer was a great idea for the intro ! Well played !
Thank You!
early squad. Foglets or Ge'els, make it quick George!
Good idea!
Another thing to consider is that often times game studios will outsource other studios to create cinematic trailers for their games and those studios will sometimes take creative liberties.
Possibly, but I feel as though cdprojektred would have had a massive hand in it, I mean they would have drawn concepts for how orianna would look as a vampire.
Orianna looks like Florence + The Machine
The best way to look at is: higher vampire refers to the more powerful higher intelligent vampire species colloquially. One of those species are also called higher vampires.
It's a little bit weird to think like this but Orianna is really beautiful! She is, in *human form* ok! I first met her in Toussaint "blood and wine" looking for Detlaff, and I kept thinking damn! She's pretty sexy! Did anyone else?
she's great!
Sexy but scary.
She'd be prettier if she didnt have such a steely and cold face, and her emotions are super subtle, almost indiscernible.But on the other hand it adds to her not being human and giving you a "something is really off" vibe with her, so it works really well with her. When I played the DLC I kept getting a bad vibe from her, she didnt show as much emotions as other characters and her speech patterns seemed flat, like she didnt know how tone can impact what's being said.
I personally believe there's a difference between common folk's definition of higher vampire and expert's definition. Common folk simply refer to any shape shifting vampire as higher vampire, you see the same thing in the "concerned citizen" quest. The serial killer refers to himself as higher vampire yet he just turns into a katakan and geralt successfully slays him. I hope that explains it
In the cdprojektred world, that does work!
IMHO she's a Bruxa and thus a higher vampire, but Detlaff, and the two other elder vampires we meet are an entirely different league. Orianna is not the only Bruxa that can speak with humans (the one at Corvo Blanco), nor the only one that manages to hide among humans (the one in Oxenfurth and the one at Novigrad). However, all of them can be killed, except for the elder ones.
Then there are some ugly vampires that can't talk and can't blend in at all. So, I would say that there are according to the games lore at least three classes of Vampires.
It doesn't follow the book lore, hence why it confuses a lot of people who understand the lore from the books.
those Witcher cinematics always give me goose bumps!!!
They're really cool!
I don't find the trailer and dlc difficult to reconcile.
As many have pointed out, it helps to distinguish between two groups or levels of higher vampires. Let's say katakans, bruxae and all those regular vampires that can take human form are common higher vampires, while Regis and Detlaff belong to the "true" higher vampires, that most people aren't even aware exist.
The game tells us that Bruxae usually aren't overly intelligent or civilized - BUT it shows us time and time again, that individual monsters can be special, like a singing and drawing troll, a bigger, stronger nekker wearing leather boots, a water hag using drowners to guard her pantry, a leshen conducting warrior trials - and in Toussaint we can spot what looks like a bruxa mourning a man she apparently killed.
Once we imagine Orianna to be an exceptional bruxa, probably older, stronger and smarter than usual, who took a liking to the comfortable life of true higher vampires in Toussaint, everything makes sense. She maintains the orphanage because unlike e.g. Regis she still _depends_ on blood, and child prisoners are the easiest to manage. It might be this realization that gives Geralt the confidence to threaten her. His threat and the fact we never see her transformed are in-game clues she might at best be posing as a true higher vampire.
As the actual true higher vampires even entertain relations with humans, one can imagine they wouldn't object to Orianna joining their gang.
Yes that's the cdprojektred version, the confusion is that using book lore, this doesn't make much sense, regis pretty much confirms her as a higher vampire in game.
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Don't know the books. If at any point of the game Regis implies that Orianna is a true higher vampire like him - not just part of the club of powerful vampires enjoying life in Toussaint - that would be a problem. He should be able to sniff out a bruxa.
As someone already said, we can't be sure that she was actually killed. In the novels, Regis talks about how he was mutilated by some villagers after a crash landing and it took him 50 years to completely regenerate.
True, but she seems to degenerate by morning, not regenerate so, it's difficult to tell and obviously she looks like a bruxa.
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This is this first video I have seen of yours. And I must say I instantly subscribed. Great video. You deserve way more subs than you have.
Thanks man!
damn the monsters have their own songs about witchers being monsters hahahaha all about perspective!
it's so cool!
And great video on characters as well love this game’s soundtrack as well
Awesome video! It is also interesting to listen to you and every lore video so far was just perfect.
Can't wait for the next one.
If there's a chance maybe you could make a video about Cahir or Milva :D
Thanks man and good idea!
A classic song. Watched it first time on 2015.
I'm really happy they added this plot to the game, always felt bad for that redhead, the way she died, and it was nice to find out he could choose not to kill her.
For everyone that are confuse about Orianna being an alp or a bruxa, if you played the game and fought a bruxa and a alp , + noticing the details about the trailer a night to remember, it does show the clear difference but with CDPR messed up. Both bruxa and alp are fast asf, both jump in the air to appear behind enemies. BUT. in a night to remember orianna can turn invisible like a bruxa in the game. BUT in the game, a bruxa is brown black hair and can only jump sprinting arround to move . An alp in game is red hair But to move arround , they are the only one with the 1:03 blink spam . You see how she dissapered by air blinking blue wavy lines ? only the alp in game got . I spawned an alp and bruxa for 10 minutes with a mod making them fight. Bruxa posess invisibility and bruxa posess air blink but Orianna in the trailer possess invisibility and air blink+ Red hair. But in game everything is scattered btw both . (if you follow the trailer it doesnt make sens and cant give her the 100% title of bruxa or alp. But if you think about it and remember seeing an alp in game wearing a coat long robe its the same as the trailer like. Plus they dissapear from the robe leaving it on the flor. Only alp are like that in the wild. And bruxa are just naked spaming invisibility in the wild. So all those facts make orianna an alp if looking at the trailer and not a bruxa.
Its funny to imagine that 4 months ago you only had 2500 subscribers and now youre close to 30k. At this rate you'll reach 100k any day now
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She threw me off being in the DLC save select screen walking back and forth in a shed. Whole way through I was trying to figure out why and at the very end was scratching my head. Part of me thinks she was drafted as being the mastermind behind the attacks, but then a choice was made to spice it up with some sibling rivalry.
Good idea!
What a good recommendation CZcams gave me, I'm going to watch everything!
Thank you!
If the Netflix series is anything like that cinematic I'll thoroughly enjoy myself
It would be cool!
In the books there is a story about a man who was cursed to be a monster, he was in love with a mermaid, at least that was what he thought. She actually was a bruxa, she could talk and also was quiet intelligent, as she bewitched hin and used him as a bodyguard.
In the end Gerald and the Monster killed her and because the poor guy's love for her was true, the sacrifice broke the curse.
Quiet a story but the importand part is that Gerald talked to the bruxa first, as he had to decide if she needed to be stoped and killed.
I remember that story well, but I believe from the descriptions of her, she was quite clearly not human?
I found eventually a good Witcher universe lore channel ! +1 suscriber from France
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I think a distinction between Higher Vampires (Orianna, Hubert Rejk, Novigrad Vampire) and True Higher Vampires (Regis, Detlaff, Unseen Elder) can be made quite clearly. First of all the Human knowledge of monsters in the Witcher universe is imperfect. Let alone the Bestiary category "Relicts" points to the fact that Humans (or in this case Dandelion as he is the narrator) do not know everything there is to know about all different kinds of monsters. The category Vampire is basically a shared penchant for drinking blood - even though some of the entries are also fond of flesh itself (Fleder) - and have some resemblances with bats. While there are brute Vampires like Garkains or Fleders there is also a grey area for some of the other bloodsuckers. While some Katakans have shown to be able of speech (Gael in Oxenfurt) and somer older exemplars were even able to walk among humans (Hubert, Novigrad Vamp) there have been several encounters with Katakans who were smarter than your average beast but did not display signs of "civilized behaviour" and have been found living in sewers, caves and abandoned ruins. To me it seems like there are certain vampiric races that can be clearly categorized as "Lower Vampires" - Fleders and Garkains among them. Then there are some vampiric races that are, in some cases, able to show high intelligence and to walk freely and undetected among humans - these would be some Katakans, Bruxas (e.g. the Bruxa of Corvo Bianco, the "Hooded Woman" in Beauclair and Orianna) and probably some others that have not been present in the game - the so-called "Higher Vampires". Here is the point were the imperfect human knowledge of monsters in the Witcher universe starts to play a role: Besides those so-called "Higher Vampires" there is also a distinct race of "True Higher Vampires" (Regis, Detlaaf, UE) these immensly powerful beings command influence over other Vampires and even consort with the civilized among the "Higher Vampires" like Orianna or the Bruxa of Corvo Bianco. These "True Higher Vampires" are a species of their own distinct not only by their immense power but their immortality, beings that, without exaggeration, can be described as quasi-demigods in this world.
Humans simply have not caught up to clearly mark them out from other intelligent, speaking, civilized Vampires - especially since they rarely survive an encounter with any kind of intelligent vampire. For one because they are incredibly rare (mentioned by Regis) and they clearly are very secretive as a society. They prefer to remain in the shadows - while their power clearly gives them an edge over people who want to snoop about (ingame you can't go back into Vampire ruins/dungeons and can't even identify the doors without help) or even preventing them from realizing that there is something to snoop about in the first place. With little being known of their ancient civilization, they simply got thrown in with other "Higher Vampires", because witnesses (if there are any) will simply report of a human shapeshifting into a giant bat. Another hint of their special place in this world is Geralt's interaction with the Unseen Elder - he simply is completely at his mercy without any chance to mount a meaningful defense. If beings such as this want to remain hidden, they most certainly will succeed.
To summarize:
While Arianna is a Bruxa that has reached the status of "Higher Vampire" she can still be killed by ordinary Witcher means since she is not a "True Higher Vampire". I do not think CDPR did bungle the lore here, they simply did not provide the player with more information than human society (or Witchers) has in the game world. Even scholars in the world of the Witcher have not yet fully realized that besides lower and higher Vampires there is another category of Vampires alltogether, one that is much more capable, with the "True Higher Vampires".
Nice theory!
Thanks!
I'm pretty sure the night to remember trailer was put out before Blood and Wine had taken it's final shape.
It's most likely IMO just a coincidence that they decided to use a very fleshed out character model and the voice actor for the trailer before Orianna's character and role were fully fleshed out.
I'm of the same mind, but we can still try and find a lore reason around it
Seeing videos here on CZcams I got spoiled that Orianna was the bruxa in the trailer. But when I saw her today playing Blood and Wine(finished the game too, will replay I think to spare Dettlaff poor guy) seeing her made me almost jump out of my seat, I mean the trailer itself was bad ass and seeing her in my playthrough released the inner fan boy hahaha
Edit:
This video sat in my Watch Later playlist for a while, planning to check it out once I beat the game which I did several hours ago. Great content, I almost got goosebumps when Orianna sang the song to the kid when she asked me to kill the archgarkain. And fanboyed again when Geralt said he would come back for her someday, great callback to the trailer!
If you look at the main story of Witcher 3, there were 2 "Higher Vampires" you could encounter, the Doctor, that investigated the deaths of the victims who were caused by the serial killer who was actually himself, and one you could find in a cave under Novigrad (?). Both changed into Ekkimmaras when you encountered them/started a fight. So that explains why Orianna is a Bruxa/Higher Vampire at the same time cause apparently, other higher vampires can transform into the shape of lower vampires. The second thing is about Orianna's "death" in the A Night to Remember trailer. So here's the thing: Higher Vampires can "die" in a weird way. You can't "kill" them, since other Higher Vampires can revive them as Dettlaff did with Regis. So, you can make them, let's say, unable to live their lives until an other Higher Vampire gives them their blood or whatever they do to revive their brothers/sisters. This is proven by Regis death in the Witcher Books.
Hope that explains a little bit.
I see, but I believe that Regis was reviving, but incredibly slowly (death would've been better) , Dettlaff simply sped up the process incredibly!
I mean, he was still regenerating really slow even with Dettlaffs help. What's the timeline between the books and the games? Like 10 years I believe, and he was still weak when you encountered him in Toussaint, so it would have probably taken him centuries to regenerate on his own.
We can also go with a simpler answer. We know that Higher vampires get stronger with age. Its possible that all higher vampires can be killed by any species but they get harder to kill with age. Eventually, when they are old and strong enough, it becomes only practical for their own kind to inflict mortal wounds because wounds inflicted by them don't heal as fast or completely. Orianna could just be a LOT younger.
Finally! I have been searching for this one, yet now I figured out why I could not find it, it was not yet made...
Aha hope you enjoy!
I'm late haha. This an old issue about the Blood and WIne and A night to remember. But one thing keeps me bugging. How many years did actually passed after Geralt decided to get back and slay Orianna?
'nice tune, been a while since I heard it last'
'folk have forgotten it'
Witchers have a greater life span due to the mutations, so i would say, literally it's been a while..
Look closely at the corpse, it was burnt by the sun. I remember that there was a line on the DLC that a soldier said vampires can be died by the sun and Geralt replied that it was only a myth. What I want to say CD Red did some modifications which explains the higher vampire bruxea issue
Possibly!
I remember playing blood and wine I hadn't watched this trailer in forever and then when orianna sung to the child it clicked. I was so excited love how CD handles their games. Cant wait for the next witcher game and cyberpunk 2099! Gotta get the witcher books too lol
The books are awesome!
Yeah when Geralt found Orianna feeding on the last orphan boy he vowed to come back for her, she's a Bruxa, I saw this trailer 1st so I was like whoa he meant her, excellent trailer
I always figured she was always like the Carnal Sins serial killer where she's not an actual higher vampire but she's just really old so she's stronger and "more civilised" than other lower vampires
The best and most reasonable explanation is to take them both as Orianna but playing different characters, the one from the trailer (a Bruxa) is just for marketing purposes, the one in the game (a Higher Vampire) is canon. I don't know if CDPR did it deliberately or not but it wasn't a good idea.
I may be misremembering the story (it has been several years since I last played TW1), but didn't Geralt have the option of clearing out a brothel that was being run by vampires?