HD Last laps of the amazing Monaco Grand Prix 1984, LIVE BBC COMMENTARY
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- These are the last laps of the Monaco Grand Prix in 1984. Ayrton Senna keeps closing in on Alain Prost, only to be denied his win by the officials, who suddenly declare the racetrack too wet to race on. Live commentary by James Hunt and Murray Walker.
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"I think we are watching the arrival of Ayrton Senna as a truly outstanding talent", "He's not about to be World Champion this year, he will undoubtedly be World Champion in the future if his career continues".
Say what you hear
So would have Bellof been.
@@gringostarr69 No
@@bewleyberry Why?
@Gringo Starr Because Bellof would not have been f1 WC in my opinion.
Every time I hear James Hunt saying ''we are watching the arrival of Ayrton Senna, a true outstanding talent'', I get the chills.
I disagree with you completely and even more. Senna is the greatest. Alain Prost is great.
@Stev Rex So you knew Senna personally? He may have sometimes been a prick on the track but from all I have seen and heard about him from the people that knew him he was a very genuine and decent person. You seem to be the one who is a prick and has an axe to grind.
@David Miatke And the Senna foundation is still doing lot.
@David Miatke ......idiot and you know fa ! you're just trying to look a big man behind the keyboard....... met plenty of dicks in my time and they all sound the same big man
takes a legend to recognise another
I love how James Hunt didn't shout when commentating. The commentaters today could learn alot.
And he was always correcting Murray, who shouted quite a lot.. :P
I never liked James hunts commentary, it was way too laid back and dull
@@WezMan444 like this comment
James Hunt wasn’t shouting on Sunday mornings, not after getting loose on Saturday nights.
Suppose you like the morons commentating now ? Not DC he’s a top man
One can tell that Hunt really saw Senna's talent. Two greats that left us far too soon.
Bellof as well.
... and Gilles.
Hunt would tell it like it is, he praised him here but rightfully condemned Senna for his driving at Suzuka in 1990.
@@rogeeeferrari james raced Lauda and wouldnt do that
@@seanbonella not sure what you mean...
I love James’s “Now that’s what I call French time”
Yes he knew that they tried to rig the results of anything they are involved in.
Senna is the King of Monaco. He could have won 8 Monaco Grand Prix.
9 including the 94
@@davidetrapani6964 Probably
Those who crash (into other drivers) by the sword, die by the sword.
He won so many Monaco Grand Prix because he learned a lesson back in 1988.
Winning doesn't learn a lot, losing does.
@@szczecom8467 I guess you're right!
James Hunt was so awesome. Always called it as he saw it.
Craig Pritchard that’s the problem with the world now no one is allowed to say anything !! Bring back free speech
@@julespepper6691 just do it anyway, I mean its my opinion and I don't give a fuck if it offends them.
Flame Resistant Troll the world is a different place today with social media. Everything is overexposed and over exaggerated. One “mistake” and you’re blacklisted from everything.
Isn't it interesting how the loudest voices are always the ones complaining about being silenced?
Especially if it meant getting in a dig about the French.....
Senna is the one and only original "Rain Master". There was no one better period.
Senna, Bellof, de Angelis... it's sad to think that just 10 years later, all three of those drivers were no longer with us.
You forget Manfred Winklehock killed the following year in a sports car race.Also Michele Alboreto was killed doing sports car in 2001.That's makes 5 of the 20 starters of this race were killed motor racing.That's a shocking statistic.
Very true, respect to them all.
Ellemerob de Cesaris? Laffite?
@Michael88863, Lafitte is still alive. His career was ended by F1 though.
Flame Resistant Troll no - if you're talking about Michael schmacher then then his best year was 2004 when he set many lap records and won the world championship. Wierdly enough a skiing accident disabled him and idk if he still alive atm
7:34 James Hunt nailed it
Senna was destroying Prost lap after lap, and the cameras never bother to show him.
Seriously, why? Although it did make it so exciting when he shows up at the end of the video hunting Prost down.
You got to understand that Prost is not going at full speed, He taking it slow to prevent himself and others from danger.
Different times to be honest. It was quite normal to keep showing the leader of the race. I have seen many a race where in my head the fight for 5th was way more exciting but i never saw a glimpse of it.
mcstyle24 Yeah, erm so why was Senna the only driver to gain on him. Get your facts straight Sennas laptimes was amazing seen to the conditions of the race. Just would like to say "Senna did that to" and his ability just was higher. Do you even know what the sport is about. Senna dwarfed Prost and all the other drivers of his generation. Ron Dennis said so quite openly and Prost was hes main driver for a long time (5 years).
Fredrik Bengtsson
Oh get a grip. I know what this racing sport about. Been watching 15 years now. No need to tell how capable senna driving is. It is clear Prost slow down for safety reasons. Smart move from Prost.
Senna and Prost incredibly good drivers. No need to hear from you ranting about it.
Murray and James were a perfect combination. We didn't know how lucky we were at the time.
4 seconds per lap? At Monaco? Raining? That's incredible!
Incredible if it were true, Senna did gain about 3 seconds one lap and Prost had a problem with his brakes which had caused Lauda to go off, Prost was controlling it rather well
@@barrierodliffe4155 Lololololololololololol. Prost was controling it rather well. Deary, deary me what ever happened to Prost's imaginary engine misfire fannyboy?
By the way Lauda admitted that it was his error that cause his retirement from this race and not brake problems. But then who is Lauda compare to Mr. Omnipotent rodcliffe.
Look it is Bentwito the moron who has no clue about cars or how to drive them, carry on playing pc games in between wanking.
So if 3 seconds per lap was incredible, then what was Bellof's rating who was catching Senna faster than Senna was catching Prost then?
Prost couldn't get heat into his carbon fiber brakes, that's why he was slow, Bellof had a normally aspirated car which is much easier to drive in the rain than the turbos.
There is no secret ingredient, there is no magic, there are always simple facts that explain situations that fanboys have no interest in determining. Sure Senna was a quick driver, but a superhuman god he was not.
PS: In the McLaren's when Prost and Senna were team-mates, Prost set twice as many fastest laps during the races than Senna did.
People can keep pretending that Senna was faster than Prost because he qualified ahead of Prost more often, but the fact is that being faster in the race was more important in those days.
Qualifying is more critical these days of course because they can't pass now.
Remember that Bellof was disqualified in a lot of the races of that season because he was using an underweight car. Of course, there was no doubt that he was fast; he set the still standing world record at the Nordscheliefe.
Jacky Ickx anxious to give victory to Alain Prost and avoiding Ayrton Senna win never could imagine that 4.5 points will cost Prost the championship.
anyone who can drive those cars in this conditions is a legend in my book.
And also THIS track.
+Luchingador Well, Monaco is by far the slowest circuit on the calendar so weather has less effect here. Like Hunt mentions, aquaplaning would likely not happen since they aren't driving that fast. Still, no power steering or any other aids. Very impressive indeed.
still, these drivers are always pushing their cars around the curves as hard as they can, and a wet surface makes that breaking point harder to find before it's too late, even with rain treads.
Tell that to Nigel Mansell! He actually led that Monaco GP for about a third of a lap, and then spun off. His excuse? 'Hit a white line'!!! (True story).
Agreed. I saw the '72 Monaco. Beltoise's performance was brilliant. Everyone put it down to clear vision until the lappery started - but he still got through. The most brilliant 'one off' I can every remember.
Un genio al volante, Maestro de la conducción, especialista del pilotaje bajo la lluvia: SENNA, el Mejor piloto de todos los tiempos
No te Olvides de Fangio, quintuple e ídolo de Senna!
despues de Hamilton, Schumacher, Fangio y Prost..sin dudas
@@laguardiaimperial3957 LOL
When power isn't as important as usual in a race, great talent and a big heart is needed Senna's is "The man".
Senna Sempre
"That's what I call French timing, to put it politely."
+heliumtrophy
It sure saved Senna and he got a lucky second place.
He still would've got it in the end thanks to the FIA's job on Tyrrell. Bellof was a beast.
+heliumtrophy
If the race was not stopped Senna would very soon have been out with damaged suspension.
+Barrie Rodliffe What book states that?
+Barrie Rodliffe Again what book states that?
I love how Hunt never pulled any punches with his commentary.
When F1 was worth staying awake for
Well, keep watching these old tapes and living in the past, F1 is better than ever before buddy (but nowhere near perfect)..
@@ballaking1000 Ha!
@@ballaking1000 nice joke
100% Agree! F1 is so boring now. If you are not driving for certain teams, you are uncompetitive and have no chance of winning unless they all crash.
Absolutely 👍
This was the defining moment between Prost and Senna... and between Balestre and Senna as well.
Senna was Godly.
Senna was very sad and angry after that race, he said shortly after leaving the car in the interview were: Formula 1 is politics because there is a lot of money involved.
Senna was ridiculously arrogant driving around a "victory lap" waving to everyone, when CLEARLY Prost stopped exactly on the finish line right in front of race marshalls. What should Prost have done, run them over? Senna really made a fool out of himself.
@@joevenuti1201 You do know the whole of the car has to cross the finishing line??
' What should Prost have done, run them over? There was acres of space to Prost's left. He turned into the marshalls.
' Senna was ridiculously arrogant..' Are all drivers celebrating victories or perceived victories especially maiden victories 'ridiculously arrogant' or just Senna.
@@joevenuti1201 lol. you are out of mind. Senna was driving a Toleman!!!
Dixie Doctor So true, and Prost was one to really exploit it.
Senna had a victim complex, he always thought FIA was taking wins from him, while also beliving he had God given right to win.
That's why I always hated him.
Why is it so hard to find full races from the 80's & 90's?? It's the commentary of Walker & Hunt is the noise I seek, along with the gents calling the race.
Senna was the only driver to have kept the turbo from lagging by blipping the throttle in order to keep the revs high enough.
At Monaco, in the rain no less, in his first season. No words can be used. Senna was and always will be the man.
Yes I'm sure he was literally the only driver to ever discover or experiment with that technique... c'mon. The man was a godlike racing driver but you need to come back down to reality.
Apparently Bernd Rosemeyer (pre-WWII) used the same technique.
@@paulcaswell2813 that's very impressive, especially given that Rosemeyer drove supercharged Auto Unions, not turbo-charged ...
I have the info on good authority... I'm only the messenger...
Senna and Bellof, what a race. I think Bellof had about 150HP less than the turbos but he did have raw talent, as he would show on the Nurburg
Thanks!! I love watching this video with the orig commentating. I really enjoy listening to James' thoughts on races. "the arrival of Ayrton Senna" couldn't have called it any better.
Back in the day when the audio literally came via a telephone line
this is a piece of motorsport history!!!! beautifull!!
16 seconds in, Niki Lauda walking. RIP Champ.
Brilliant....THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I still have my original Betamax tape of this race that I recorded from the TV back in '84!
Fantastic video thank you. Hunt clearly knew what he was talking about didn't he. The beginning of F1 golden era (Senna's era). How nostalgic.
He knew what he was talking about in Japan 1989 aswell
It was Prost's era.
"That's what I call French timing, to be polite as possible"
Aí Felipe Machado o nós podemos interagir pelo Google+ sem problemas:-)
Actually it was a Belgium timing. It was Jacky Ickx who decided to stop the race and waved the finish flag himself.
Hunt NEvER had a problem saying what he thought: sorta like Mark Webber...why I liked both of them; a breath of fresh air in a hidebound sport.
This proof why SENNA is the best driver EVER
I'll miss you Ayrton.
After 1994 F1 was not the same.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Bellof was catching Senna faster then Senna was catching Prost.
Put simply, even if race continued Senna would have lost, even if Bellof got disqualified later in season it still would be Prost's win, as Senna was going so agresissivly that his suspension was laps from giving up.
@@russotusso1695 My ass!
So Senna losing is the proof why he is the best ever. Alright.
walker was the voice of f1. its never been the same since.
HE WAS THE VOICE OF ALL MOTORSPORT AND A TRUE GENTLE-MAN.
never can be replaced a one off he came along in a golden age of great drivers and races modern grand prixs are a sad shadow off what they once where...................
Shame we didn't get to see Bellof make his mark in f1
@Kal El
Faster than Senna in the wet at Monaco and only in a Tyrell
Barrie Rodliffe the Tyrell was the best car in this conditions because he had no turbo and that means better driveability
@@barrierodliffe4155 "Faster than Senna" Numbers, please? Senna scored the best avg speed, the best laps, was faster than anyone on track and still there's a tale that 'Bellof was catching' Senna, whereas I never found a single evidence/prove of it. (Otherwise, I saw Senna disappearing in front of Bellof). So if you please could make it available, time laps, how much difference per lap Bellof was reducing (numbers), something that show us that Bellof was going to surpass Senna (more: if even Mansell with that beast FW14B [on fresh tyres] was not able to pass Senna in Monaco...) PS: Interestingly, Arnoux was known for being a tough guy about overtakes - and Senna passed him in 1 lap, while Bellof took 6 laps to pass Arnoux. Afterwards Senna still passed the champ LAUDA in his McLaren (brilliantly before the St. Devote) - while Bellof didn't have to, because Lauda spun off.
1st lap: Senna P9 / Bellof P10. (Bellof right behind Senna by the end of the 1st lap).
3rd lap: Senna P8 / Bellof P10.
7th lap: Senna P7 / Bellof P9.
9th lap: Senna P6 / Bellof P8.
12th lap: Senna P5 / Bellof P8.
14th lap: Senna P4 / Bellof P8. (Senna took 1 lap to pass Arnoux) => P4 vs P8 on lap 14!
16th lap: Senna P3 / Bellof P6.
19th lap: Senna P2 / Bellof P6. (Senna passed Lauda / Bellof did not have to (Lauda spun off).
27th lap: Bellof P3 - finally passed Arnoux (Bellof took 6 laps to pass him).
Senna Best Lap: 1'54"334 (Best Lap of the Race)
Bellof Best Lap : 1'54"978
Senna, the only driver with avg speed over 104,2 km/h
(Bellof: 103,7 km/h)
Swallow your envy, crying is free.
@@keithrichards4296
When Senna was 11 seconds behind Prost and Bellof was catching up, that was the last lap. Not the first or second laps. Maybe you should look at how Senna was not even close to Prost when the race was stopped. Prost stopped for the red flag and Senna ignored the red flag. If you looked you should be able to find out that after Senna set his fastest lap he slowed down because of damaged suspension. Senna said he could see one of the from wheels moving about more than it should and his team said it would not have lasted much longer. It really is funny how Senna fanboys make so much out of a very lucky second place for Senna.
You mentioned that it was hard to overtake at Monaco, If Senna hadn't damaged his suspension would he have even caught up to Prost? I am quite sure Prost would have responded and not just let Senna go past. Lauda was having brake problems, as was Prost but Prost was managing it better.
Cry away all you like.
Bellof was indeed fast as his teammates in Sports Cars recall him but he lack discipline, as Derek Bell said in 1983 at the Nurburgring 1,000km Endurance race they we're told not to push so hard and try to only set slow laps Bell crossed the line in 6:42.000 while Bellof was doing less than 6:30.000s lap after lap and moments later Bellof crashed and was eliminated at the lead.
Wow Ayrton. Simply great.
With a second place finish he would be World Champion 1984!
O início da lenda da F1. Ayrton Senna do Brasil
Thank you so much for this upload, it's utterly fabulous to watch it in HD "Senna passed Prost's slowing McLaren at the finish line, but according to the rules, the positions counted are those from the last lap completed by every driver - lap 31 , at which point Prost was still leading... continued...
Rain Master!! Ayrton always on my mind this time of the year :(
Overdog81 what a beautiful words.
have a look at 7:27
the distance between the car and the inside barrier. senna is scratching off the paint!
The great Murray Walker on commentary. For me personally Senna is the greatest F-1 driver and it so sad he left was way to young in his prime.
Sennas prime?
Jacky Ickx, one of the very best drivers in the rain, was the race director that day, and he decided the conditions warranted stopping the race. Ickx is Belgian, incidentally, not French.
Fantastic Senna!
Amazing video.Thank for that!!very good quality and sound.
Ma-FIA
Beautiful, thank you!
Aww hard to believe Niki is gone 😔
"This is what I would call french timing to be as polite as possible". GP Monaco '84 unrolling in less than 3 seconds. Thx James. Hunt.
THANK YOU SO MUCH WHAT A GRETA WAY TO GO TO SLEEP IT BRINGS BACK SO MANY MEMORIES AS A KID. LOVE IT
Amazing picture quality after all these years.
Haha french timing indeed!
cory2146 The ironic part is that they hurt Prost in the long run. Prost has said he was willing to accept second place if the race went on, because (as always) he was interested in the points count. If the race had gone on, he would have gotten second even if Bellof had passed him too, since Tyrrell was later disqualified from every race. And if he had, he would have gotten six points instead of the four and a half he got for winning a race that didn't pass the halfway point. Which means he would have been the 1984 World Champion by one point, instead of losing to Lauda by a half-point.
+John Cate Prost would have ended up a five-time world champion
Anthony Iuculano a
idiot...
although Monaco isn't France
Extraordinario Senna tremendo ritmo (y)
SENNA, We miss you. Have regrets that, We missed legendary races. Legendary tricks, legendary quotes & legendary smile. .................
Stefan Bellof was a great Driver...
Do people honestly believe Senna should've won the race? Race was red flagged way before he "overtook".
It has developed out of all proportion. What a big fuss about nothing. Senna passed a stationary Prost who had stopped on the red flag and then Senna went on a "victory lap". What a wally.
Essa foi a primeira corrida que eu assisti na minha vida Senna melhor de todos os tempos
Remember this like it was yesterday....the first time i heard the name Ayrton Senna ......so refreshing at the time to hear a new name reeling a top name in....even though it was torrential rain this day it all added to the drama/ atmosphere.....not to forget Stefan Belloff also outstanding that day.....gone too soon.....
Majestic ... Just amazing .. & the commentary is great & unbiased
❤️ Ayrton Senna
Fun Fact: If the race hadn't been stopped and Senna would have actually won, 2nd place would have been enough for Prost to win the world championship. Prost lost the championship by half a point because this "win" only got him 4,5 points due to the shortened race distance. 2nd place over the whole distance would have earned him 6 points and would have made him world champion by one point at the end of the year.
Karma's a beeotch.......
I remember!!!!!! Thanks for vid!
I`ve watched a lot of F1 in my life. I consider Michael Schumacher to be the best I`ve ever seen do it, except for in the rain. Ayrton Senna was on a whole different level in the rain.
And what the commentary totally missed, an amazing 3rd place by Bellof with a naturally aspirated engine.
I was born in 84
Unforgettable Ayrton Senna...
Nobody like him....
RIP +
Much have been said about this race and the fact that by giving half points, because the race was stopped, made Prost finally lost the championship. Who knows what would have happened if the race had been allowed to continue ? Probably the winner would have been Arnoux who was in fourth, remember that Senna had his front suspension with some sort of damage since lap 11 when hit a curb in the port's chicane (which was faster than the current version of the circuit and curbs were taller) while catching Rosberg's Williams and Bellof was disqualified later due to the Tyrrell's affair, and I think Prost had some sort of mechanics trouble as well which would had prevented him to finish the race. On lap 28 Prost was lapping around 1' 55'' which was close to his best lap time in the race, then suddenly he started to lap in 2' 03'', so he deliberately slowed the pace, when he stopped after the red flag, he looks at and tells McLaren's staff about some issue in his front left tire. He had much to lose, knowing at that time that Lauda was out of the race, so he started to wave his hands asking to stop the race. His pace was so slow that Alboreto's Ferrari, which was in 7th and had lost one lap, was catching him and the blue flag is even showed to him to allow Alboreto pass him in Beaurivage. So Jacky Ickx decided to stop the race alleging the conditions were really difficult and dangerous, but the only one who was slowing was Prost. Actually Senna, Bellof and even Alboreto were quicker than him, in the same track. Ickx had raced in Monaco '72 in appalling conditions, so he knew what was about to race in that conditions, but at the moment the race was stopped the first position was about to change, he should have allowed the race to continue until the positions were defined and then stop the race.
Prost's request to stop the race had nothing to do with call him a "coward", he certainly was not one and even Ayrton in Estoril '85 asked several times to stop the race. See the differences then, in much worse conditions, Portugal Grand Prix was allowed to continue in 1985 while Monaco 1984 was stopped. It is very difficult not to think that Ickx was very loyal to Porsche and to the F1 interests, they would never allow a team like Toleman to win that race.
Senna may have not won the race finally, who knows, maybe because his car's front suspension would have broken or he would have crashed later, but what it's undeniably true is that he was about to overpass Prost in that very lap when the red flag appeared. And Ayrton's race in Monaco '84 was the work of a truly genius which would change the world of F1. He was in a decent car, but was not a top car not even a car which could win a race and this was his first time in Monaco in his 6th race in F1.
É MUITO LEGAL NOTAR NESSE VIDEO, ENQUANTO O PROST REZA E MAL SE MANTEM NA PISTA, SENNA TIRA 14 SEGUNDOS EM 3 VOLTAS, FANTASTICO
I cannot recall Senna ever asking for a race to be stopped.............
One of the most intelligent drives ever. Turning what would normally be a disadvantage into an advantage. He was able to drive smoother in those conditions with his underpowered Hart engine than any other driver with more powerful engines.
Hunt was spot on, Prost was politicking to keep Senna behind him, even back then.
Ah yes, the moment at which Alain Prost with his crystal ball saw into a future where everyone acclaimed Senna as the best racing driver of all time, and hated what he saw. He then forgot that Niki Lauda was the man he was competing against, and conspired with an all-French panel of mustachio-twirling FIA gangsters to cancel the race so a new racer named Ayrton Senna wouldn't win the race. Alain Prost, after all, is well known for caring less about championship points than satisfying his ego by winning every race. That's how it happened.
Ridiculous isn't it? Prost the criminal mastermind who screwed himself out of another title.
Ayrton Senna= The Rainmeister. Best driver in bad conditions in History. You had to have a brass set to drive those cars in those conditions.
Michael wouldn't agree
Bernd Rosemeyer, Eifelrennen, 1936. Bernd was running 3rd, in only his second major race. The FOG came down over the Nordschleife. Everyone else slowed. Rosemeyer didn't - and drove as if there was clear vision, winning the race easily. A forgotten great as he was pre-war. PS His widow, Ellie, years later confirmed his fog prowess when recounting being a passenger alongside Bernd on an ordinary road journey. Bernd was really shifting in thick, thick fog, and was pulling out to overtake cars that she actually couldn't even see until they were alongside. A very, very different ability than Ayrton's skill in the rain.
Indeed. Several theories - the common one being a gust of wind that took the car sideways, and a very interesting one concerning a very early use of ground-effect. That argument is that Auto Union had no idea of the downforce created by a sealed unit (skirts etc), and the chassis just buckled under the stress. Whatever happened, it was a tragic loss to the sport. Here's a photo taken just before the attempt - skirts and all...
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Verdade
Schumacher and Stewart rival anything Senna ever did in the rain.
Some of Schumacher's leads in terms of time and how much faster per lap in the rain were unquestionably some of the greatest feats in F1 history.
Stewarts drive at The Nurb in the 1968 German GP in the fog and rain was also in another world, besides his other rain drives. And the tracks were tree, telephone poles, and house lined in those days.
When teo weeks ago the Monaco Gran Prix was about to start, It has been delayed of some minutes because of Rain.
Than, with NO RAIN, they authorized the formation lap; we could hear the drivers' voice at the radio protesting that they could not see. So they stopped the start agan.
The race only started when there was no water on the asphalt.
Obviously my Memories went back to that 1984 race when a young Ayrton Senna was so good to rise the anonymous Tolemann Hart up to second place under a gigantic flood! And no need to say that noone was telling him what to do by radio! Only on his own.
What a difference with today's PlayStation drivers, keeping two fingers on the wheel and only waiting for instructions.
Thanks for the vídeo :)
Prost wasn't racing Senna, he was racing Lauda, who was his opponent in the 1984 title duel. Lauda was already retired at this stage og the race. Coming in first after having completed only half distance brought Prost 4,5 Points, a second place after the full distance at that time was rewarded with 6 points. half a year later in Estoril, Prost lost the title to Lauda by 0,5 points, so Prosts request for a red flag was to his own disadvantadge (at that time, Alain could not know that Ayrton's front suspension was about to fail, and that Bellof was to be disqualified).
Ironic then , that stopping the race prematurely and denying both Toleman and Senna this victory, cost Prost the championship. Stopping it later and finishing second would have given him full points and the WDC
spkprobe2 almost, yes. but - Ayrton wasn't denied victory here. The Toleman mechanics later revealed that Ayrton's right front suspension was about to collapse within the next 2 or 3 laps since Ayrton wildly drove over the curb in the harbor chicane on lap 13 trying to attack Keke Rosberg. Which ironically would have made Alain the winner again....ain't life grand? : )
I was never ever able to verify this comment , it is /was never verified or cited if you are taking this from the wiki page. Could you please give a link to a verifiable source regarding the suspension damage...
Regards.
spkprobe2 I hope I can help You out on this one. I suggest that You read "Heinz Prüllers Grand Prix Story 1984", in which Ayrton Senna himself stated that he could already see his right front wheel moving backwards and forwards under braking.
The race gods punished cheating Prost by losing the title
Senna the best 1984-1994,real Monaco GP winner 1984
Prost won in 1984.
@@jameshogan6142with corruption the aura from senna Was something else in this year Prost and the french guys was so afraid that they make a money move
Lovely to hear Murray again.
Senna the best forever.
6:35 lol They wave blue flag to the leader 😂
Prost did it again..
He knew not only how to handle the car fast and safely, but also he knew how to take everything else in consideration on how to gain points..
No doubt whatsoever that Senna and Bellof were extremely talented drivers though!!
Bellof was driving a Tyrrel, the only atmospheric engine in the race (200 hp less than the less powerful turbo). He started on the 20th (last position) and finished third. If the race had not ended early, he would have won. He trimmed 0.5 sec. by lap to Senna. Yes, I know: Bellof's car was disqualified (Illegal car weight).
I remember watching this grand prix live from television in Australia 10:30 in the evening.
It is the most controversial race in my lifetime as it took the world championship from Alain Prost when went to Niki Lauda.
Ayrton Senna was at the start of his race career.
And the winner is - Jean-Marie Balestre.
screw you S.O.B
Kkkkkkkk 👍
Driver of the day: Stefan Bellof
The Art of Racing in the Rain
So good to hear Murray’s voice again.
Senna was, for me, the winer of this race!!
Even if race continued Prost would have won.
Sennas suspension was about to give up, and Bellofs car was illegal, so even if both passed him, he would have won, unless if he fucked up, and this is Prost, he wouldn't have fucked up.
For all that say Senna or Bellof should/would have won this race.....Bellof got disqualified so that wouldn't have mattered, and the Toleman team later revealed that Senna's car actually had suspension damage that they said would have seen him retire within 2 or 3 laps.
Memorable !
Murray Walker, James Hunt, Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna, those were the days!
"French Timing" lol yep
The conditions were atrocious: Murray Walker even said he.. "can't believe they're going to keep running this race". They wouldn't run at all today.
yep, Spa 2021
James Hunt is absolutely right in his observation " I would call this French Timing... to say it in the politest way possible..." Alain Prost could not beat Senna on the track, so the Frogs helped him doing it the french way. End of story, Senna was always the better driver.
Gotta love James hunt Color comentating
de todas as vergonhas que aconteceram na F1, essa foi a pior que presenciei..... nunca irei esquecer... SENNA
Prost wanted to be smart and toke in the ass, lost this championship by a half point kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
I believe about the same time (early to late 80s), at the Monaco G.P. a pair of drivers were battling lap after lap for either 2nd, 3rd or 4th (maybe lower?). It seemed that each lap they were bumping, interlocking wheels, riding up on each other, finally there was a pass and it would start all over. This went on for what felt like most of the race and I was literly on the edge of my seat, yelling at the TV in astonishment.
Even if Prost had been beaten on the line French politics would have prevailed & seen him win. He knew that too. It took another 5 years for Senna to call him a coward in public. That's the power Prost had outside of actual racing. I give it to Senna for holding back the truth for as long as he did
wow, what a load of shit.