The Glamorous Duchess Who Was A Third Wheel In Her OWN Marriage | PART 1 | Georgiana Cavendish
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- čas přidán 16. 03. 2024
- Wealthy, noble, clever and pretty, Georgiana Spencer - later Cavendish - might have been seen to have it all. But like her indirect descendent Princess Diana many years later, Georgiana would end up in an unhappy and unfulfilling marriage, coping by gambling, drinking and partying to excess. This video looks at the early part of her life, her marriage to William Cavendish, her involvement in the culture of her time, and how ultimately she ended up in an uncomfortable and scandalous ménage à trois situation with her best friend and her husband...
Sources and Related Books:
Oxford Dictionary of National Biography; Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire - www.oxforddnb.com/display/10....
(JSTOR) Moral Trespass in Georgian London: Gaming, Gender, and Electoral Politics in the Age of George III by Phyllis Deutsch - www.jstor.org/stable/2639963?...
(JSTOR) The Butcher-Kissing Duchess of Devonshire: Between Caricature and Allegory in 1784 by Amelia Rauser - www.jstor.org/stable/30053337
The Duchess by Amanda Foreman - amzn.to/4csNySP
Duchess Georgiana: Georgian Britain’s Most Popular Woman, A New Study by Lindsay Porter - amzn.to/3Pz7Lg2
The Sylph by Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire - amzn.to/3TLq9op
The Two Duchesses: Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire, Elizabeth, Duchess of Devonshire by Vera Foster - amzn.to/3TNSGKb
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I love that this woman so thoroughly embraced her husband’s first extramarital child, even though it annoyed everyone. She loved that child and didn’t blame her and just loved her.
The film starring Kiera Knightley the Duchess is an excellent look into this
Kiera should have gotten an oscar!
It really is - I've been recommending it in other comments! ☺ It was really accurate to actual events, and the casting was spot on.
Thanks for the recommendation. I've had that movie on my watch list for years. Finally, got the motivation to watch it.
9 minutes into the video, I realized this is about the Georgiana in The Duchess.
I found her story absolutely heartbreaking. The Earl appeared to be able to show more affection to his dogs than his wife.
Gambling is a dangerous addiction that still destroys families.
Absolutely - I think it's very telling that not only did she obviously gravitate towards it due to her parents' gambling when she was younger, but that a lot of her mother's reprimands were centred around it. I think Margaret understood she had helped facilitate Georgiana into that lifestyle through her own actions.
Yes it's in my family as well as alcoholism 😢
It always does.
It's like re-watching the life of Princess Diana.
It really is strange how many parallels there are between the two women's lives!
The book THE DUCHESS IS A WONDERFUL READ. I HAD TO READ IT 3 TIMES TO TRULY UNDERSTAND. THE HISTORICAL AND POLITICAL SYSTEMS OF THE TIME. AND GAMBLING WAS AN ADDICTION OF MANT OF THE ARISTOCRACY. INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND PROPERTY WAS THROWN AWAY!!😮😮
They made it a movie staringvKeria Knightly
Interesting how her descendant lived the exact same life, married the exact same man and had the exact same marriage! Almost like this is a family curse.
Princess Diana was her 8 times great niece. Not a direct descendant.
Curse, or genetic predisposition? Reincarnation is sometimes explained as genetic memory, similar to animal instinct-memories
Not really. This is common in aristocratic families, women are still chattel to be married to the highest bidder to be a brood mare. Most aristocratic women had and still have this life
No, not exact. Diana admitted to Lady Colin Campbell that SHE was the first to cheat in the marriage with Barry Manakee. In reality, Diana had many lovers. She also said she didn’t blame Camilla for the way her marriage went. That it was the “ yes” men surrounding her husband she couldn’t stand. Diana found life in the RF too stifling & wanted out, but wanted Charles to file for divorce so she could look like the victim.
@@user-xk2ig4tc3f Yup. Kate Middleton is living this life. I feel sorry for her.
Her famous descendent is non other than Princess Diana who also lived a similarly heartbreaking love & life. ❤RIP Georgiana & Princess Diana .
Is she a descendant of her through her husband or lover?
@@user-fg9xz4bz3bShe’s not actually her descendant, rather a many times great niece, a descendant of her brother. Some who are actually descended from her through her illegitimate daughter, Eliza, is Princess Beatrice and Eugenie, through their mother.
She is a descendent, but not a direct one - they are related through Georgiana's brother, George.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople That is not the accurate use of the word 'descent' those is it, someone who is a descendent is from a straight line parent to child on through the years, they are connected by being both daughters of the House of Spencer, but nothing further.
Neither. See comments below.
Diana did not descend directly from Georgiana but rather, from her brother.
Yes, she was an indirect descendent, not a lineal one. I don't think I said she was a direct descendent.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople When people say "descendants", without specifications, it's typically assumed to imply direct descent.
You sort of did. @@HistorysForgottenPeople
Indirect descendant = not a descendant. A relative.
We know dear. But she is still an ancestor to Diana
Amanda Foreman's bio of Georgiana is my favorite book of all time. Highly recommended to anyone with an interest in her or the period. Actually, according to the book, she was not a great beauty, but managed to appear so due to her style and personality.
It's my FAVOURITE book about Georgiana, it's really well researched.
Cavendish was the ancestor of Bess of Hardwick. Georgina was a contemporary of Marie Antoinette; imagine having a friendship to Mr. Fox and his parliament. She is a fabulous figure of history, and I recommend anybody dig deeper and read a biography on her to gain a deeper respect of the woman, the era, as opposed to her gambling issues, poor choices, husband, and waste of brains. Ps. She is princess Diana’s relative and had more royal blood than any of the Windsors today (who are more Germanic than English).
Can you recommend a book, I’m really interested! ❤
@@aw6356 It's so funny, but when my kiddos were tutored at our local library, my daughter found a section on Bes of Hardwick and Georgiana; she picked it out for me, and it was so good. Written by Amanda Foreman (Whitbread recipient) titled: Georgiana Duchess of Devonshire. It was a great biography. Amanda Foreman left nothing off the table; political intrigue, fashionistas, relationships (husband) and an insight to an incredibly spirited/kind hearted woman (anyone who accepts her husbands bastard children as her own is a hero to me), and someone who was both smart, witty but sadly, misunderstood...she brought a spark to the lives of many. My heart goes out to her b/c she was born in the wrong era; similar to Marie Antionette; both women were brilliant, but because of gender, political limitations, and massive geopolitical changes, never met their true potential. I hope you enjoy😊
Bess was his ancestor. Can't believe how many people get ancestor and descendant the wrong way round
@@pedanticradiator1491 I was referencing her husband; not Georgiana.
@monicatindercosmos Well Bess was his ancestor then he isn't an ancestor of Bess
Wow, I can't wait to hear the rest💗
although everyone seem to think her life is parallel with her great niece Princess Diana, which I don't completely disagree, but in her case, I find her husband much more annoying. I mean he didn't like her and didn't bother himself to show her enough respect or attention either and the love triangle thing started in the half-way through of their married life and the other woman came to her life much years later and it wasn't like her husband being obsessed with another from the start, which honestly makes it more heartbreaking, because it means he could love her, he just didn't want to or didn't bother to💔💔💔
You're right, there's a lot of parallels, but people often try to compare them directly - which as you say, isn't quite correct. Plus Georgiana turned to gambling and alcohol to cope, which Diana didn't...although, I suppose Diana had eating disorders which could be seen as the same desperate desire for control in their own lives. And yes, William didn't even try to care about Georgiana, whereas I think the situation for Charles and Diana was different on all sides.
Superb as always great presentation. and narration, she was a beautiful Inteligent lady, sadly she never knew true happiness her only solace were her children and gambling, I'd like to think history looks more kindly on her now, in many ways she led a sad life and deserved far more.
Georgiana was a beauty, can't believe her husband didn't want sex with her.
Thank you so much! ☺ You're right, I think under the glittering surface Georgiana was an extremely sad person who tried to avoid her pain by drinking and gambling.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople thank you HFP always a plesure 😊
Not sure if she deserved more. She had a very privileged life and so what she didnt have the perfect love match. Can any of us expect to have it all ?
Look at her still rockin' them heels😊
ooh.. glad there's a part 2 and it didn't just end on the cliffhanger!
Thank you for this amazing rendition on Georgiana Cavendish, the glamorous Duchess of Devonshire, her fabulous style and captivating beauty made her the "It" girl of her times. The best video about her I've ever seen so far. Excellent work as always 😊❤
Thank you so much! ☺ She was definitely the 'It' girl of her time, it would be fascinating to go back and see her life in action, although obviously heart-breaking as well. It makes me wonder how much people actually knew or cared about the private life causing the public one?
This was a great video. Narration was on point with the comparisons. I saw a movie on Georgiana Cavendish, and the similarity with Diana, was amazing.
It must be a sense of justice that Georgiana is remember as a beauty and victim of a horrid husband .
Thank you so much! ☺ And the movie is brilliant - it's very high on accuracy which is unusual for lots of historical films.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople May I ask what is the name of this movie you are talking about 🤔 ?
@anne-marie2972 The Duchess, with Keira Knightley, and Ralph Fiennes.
THE DUCHESS is a great movie that tells this story perfectly starring Kiera Knightly.
if you knew anything about this story, then you'd know that the movie did a terrible job telling this story, i remembered when i first watch the movie and it didn't even make sense because it didn't, after reading their history it made more sense! the movie changed a lot of their personality made one bad one good, in reality neither of them is good or bad, infact georgiana by category is the bad one
I've always thought that Georgiana, her sister Harriet, her children, Lady Elizabeth and her children and those in their circle, Georgiana's niece Caroline and all of the various lovers between everyone- the entire family were such a fascinating, though highly dysfunctional bunch. I've read books about each of these people, or their writing themselves, and their social circle and I love them because they're so compelling.
You're right, they were definitely a fascinating but dysfunctional lot! Equally so were the family of Lady Elizabeth, the dynamics with her father sound ridiculous. 😂
Brilliant, I really enjoyed your work. Thank you 🙏
The fact that her husband had fathered a child before their marriage and she took the little girl in and loved her like her own speaks volumes about her, I think.
Beautifully well done. I can't believe it. You did a lot of research and taken the real time to do georgiana duchess of devonshire justice. I can't thank you enough and everyone evolved in her circle a better understanding who they too .
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. ☺
Excellent as always! Must confess I picked up but never finished Amanda Foreman's bio of her. Will have to finish it sometime.
Thank you! And Foreman's biography is one of my main sources for this (and the next) video, definitely recommend finishing it if you ever get chance. It's worth it just for all the letters in there, that give Georgiana her 'voice'. ☺
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Noted, thank you! 😊
Her son was known ad the bachelor of Devon. He even once hosted Queen Victoria when she was a child
I love your voice, thank you for a good story
Aww, thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺
Interesting that modern Royal Family names were close around both Georgina & Diana: George, William, Charlotte, Elizabeth, Henry/Henrietta, Harry/Harrio, Margaret, Louis
That is on purpose. The Queen had to approve the names for decorum. That is why Harry and Meghan broke protocol and named their daughter what they wanted. Good for them.
@@moniqueengleman873awful names though. Archie for a comic character and Lilibet by appropriating the Queen's pet name. Crass.
This ends abruptly. What about her famous affair with Charles Grey and their child which she had to give up?
@cinnow Archie is a Royal bloodline name. The spare so to speak
You need to study history so all your information doesn't come from co.ic books 🙄 😒 😑
@@moniqueengleman873 Pull your head in Parasite Meghan sugar. I was referring to how the names of the vid. from this window of history, were similar to what contemporary Princess Diana had around her.
Speaking of Keira Knightley, today’s question is which Pride and Prejudice do you prefer? 1995 or 2005👀? Personally, I’m for 1995- it’s as accurate as one can hope- Colin Firth plays a part in my preference, icl😭- but the actors are much more carefully cast and the clothing is much more accurate- this is all just my opinion, ofc- I feel like this is one of those questions like “are you for York or Lancaster” which put people against each other and that’s not what I wish😭😭
Accuracy goes 1995 version is the best.
Oh, this is an easy one - the 1995 version! ❤ It was the most accurate to the book to start with, I thought the casting was spot on, and, you know....Colin Firth. 😂 Also, I thought the costumes were the most accurate, which is always lovely.
But basically, Colin Firth LOL.
1995 no question and always York
2005. I watch it 3-4 times a year since that year
2005
New sub here love a bit of history...which shows them to be human..even though they had lots of money...Money does not buy love...
Good to have you here! ☺And you're right, it's at least some comfort to the rest of us that money really doesn't seem to buy happiness, even though plenty of people in history have tried!
I must know what hath prevailed! How could you conclude such a suspenseful story on such a note?! 👌
Part 2 is already out! ☺
I am a proud Spencer, we shared John as a grandfather. ❤
That first picture is what my hair looks like in the morning
LOL it would be great if it came back into style! 🤣
😂😂😂😂
You wish!!
❤I am not really hung up on the descendent thing, I'm enjoying the story.
Very good storytelling.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺
Interesting!! Idk much about her ngl, apart from Keira Knightley’s movie (which I haven’t even watched😭) and a satirical pamphlet mocking her and someone else, but it’s very interesting!! Alas now we gotta wait for part two🥲
Have a nice week!!
Hi friend. I have A question about you: have you ever watch the fall of eagles ? It tells the story of the fall of monarchies.
Oh, you should DEFINITELY watch the film if you ever get chance. I watch most historical movies expecting no accuracy at all, but they really made an effort with this one. Her most recent biographer worked on it with them to get it as accurate as possible and it's really well cast.
@DarthDread -oh2ne I watched it in 1970 or 71 and really enjoyed it...maybe they will do a rerun I would gladly watch it again.
I kept thinking this all sounds familiar, then realized it was the excellent movie, The Duchess 2008.
These poor people they suffered so much 😢
Wonderful, thank you
Looking forward to part two
Thank you! It's well under way for this Sunday. ☺
Can't Wait for part 2!!!
It's already out! ☺Part 2 here ----> czcams.com/video/-BGQQvPkXDU/video.html
Fascinating, as always, thank you. One has to ask, why can't the aristocracy keep their legs shut? They do seem to get away with promiscuity quite freely...well, as long as they have money and power, I suppose. It seems to me that it's usually the middling sort that clutches their pearls at sexuality. Not much changes.
It's funny, isn't it? It's almost as though the more money and power, the more they were able to do what they told the rest of society not to do - and then you had those in a sort of gentry class, as you say, clutching their pearls while simultaneously trying to get their children into the upper classes. 😂
Not only for aristocracy can’t close their legs even the broke peasant neither can’t close their legs .
What a great show 🫠
Diana Spencer is the direct descendant of Georgiana's brother Earl Spencer, making the Duchess of Devonshire her great-great-great-great-great aunt.
Very good video and very interestingn videos in general! But are you going to do some content about german and italian women and people too?
Definitely! I have a HUGE list of people still to cover, but I can only do one a week! 🤣
Funny how her and Princess Diana had so much in common. 3rd wheel to Camilla..and both followed by paparazzi and anorexia instead of gambling..
God, I love your voice!
Aww, thank you! That's made my day. ☺
It’s bananas! 😂
Can I ask you which Plantagenet monarch is your favorite? Which one was the most successful one and the one that had the best legacy?
1. Henry II
2. Richard I
3. John
4. Henry III
5. Edward I
6. Edward II
7. Edward III
8. Richard II
Certainly the most intriguing legacy (if lacking accurate scholarship, take note academics!) would be Richard III
Okay, so...from best to worst;
1. Edward III
2. Henry II
3. Edward I
4. Henry III
5. Richard II (although in fairness to him, he didn't get much opportunity to do a lot!)
6. Richard I
7. John
8. Edward II
Your second question is definitely harder! I think either Edward III or Henry II were the most successful, if measuring by what was expected of them as kings at the time. But if we're including legacy, I would say Edward III. He was a pretty good king in defending his country, supporting the economy, creating relations with allies, and he was a good husband to his queen (despite the obligatory affairs of medieval kings), and he listened to his advisors. He was seen as a strong, capable king, but was also well liked.
Edward 1st as I liked the dynamics between the Kingmaker and Edward and he picked a love match instead of a queen from France or another country.
It was said that every man in high society found Georgina beautiful and desirable- except her husband.
So it seems mental instability may run in this family, which is not unusual; though not fully researched at this time.
What abt the music background? Pls, help me to find it.
The music is No.1 A Minor Waltz by Esther Abrami, available in the CZcams audio library. ☺
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The video just cuts off. Is there a part two?
Er, yup...at the end of the video I have put up a subtitle explaining when Part 2 is on. ☺
The Dutchess was an excellent portrail about this
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Is the name pronounced georgeayna? I thought it was georgeeearna
Technically, it is meant to be 'George-jay-na' (like I say it), but I've also heard people pronounce it 'George-gee-ana'. I think it's one of those names where it's taken on two different pronunciations - the second one being more modern. ☺
So did I! I'm sure it should bt pronounced Georgie- anna
History repeats itself considering that her descendant, Princess Diana, suffered a very similar fate as hers.
She’s not Diana’s “descendant”. Her Brother was Diana’s descendant. Georgina is her grt, however many times, aunt. A descendant is a grandparent.
She was a messed up piece of work… yeesh!
I think some of it was personality, and some of it was societal pressure as well - especially from her own parents.
Her husband. 🤦
Princess Diana was related to Georgina.
Isn't it Georgiana (like Victoriana), rather than Georgaina?
It is traditionally 'Georg-jay-na' as I'm saying it, but there is a second modern pronunciation of it as 'Georg-gee-ana', which is likely because it's not a name that's heard spoken aloud a lot.
Today we say the name as it’s written but in the 18th century, words and names were often pronounced differently than today. You will have noticed that many old aristocratic names are not pronounced at all how they are spelled.
Speaking of the American War of Independence, have you heard of Deborah Sampson?
I hadn't! I just went to look her up now, she sounds like a very interesting figure! I'm adding her to my list, thank you. ☺
She didn't seem very prudent,moral, or smart.
Princess Diana's ancestress!
Hi, awesome live video history on Georgiana Spencer the Duchess of Devonshire. She is one of my favorite historical people in history. How are you doing? I'm doing well, and so is my cat Benjamin. Who is your favorite person in history? Benjamin and I always enjoy watching your history videos. Have a great day see you next video 😊
Hi Michelle, I'm glad you and Benjamin are doing well! My favourite person in history? It's tough to pin one person down as I like a lot of different figures, but I think my favourite is probably Empress Matilda. I'm fascinated by her entire life and how strong she was, and I think England would have turned into a very different place had she been able to become queen.
Princess Diana was definitely more popular than Georgianna. No comparison at all, Diana had fans on all seven continents.
Poor little rich girl!
I'm so confused about the pronunciation of her name. Everyone seems to say it as Georgaina but it is spelled Georgiana, like George-ee-ah-na. Even in the film about her, they were transposing the A and I. What gives?
Welcome to random British pronunciations! 😂 Honestly, I'm not sure why the pronunciation is that way, but it definitely is - I have a friend whose little girl has the same name, and is also pronounced 'George-jay-na'. Lots of people do also say it 'George-gee-ana' now, which I think of as a modern pronunciation. Neither is wrong, but Georgiana Cavendish was alive when the first pronunciation was used, so I stuck with that. ☺
Looks like Diana!
What happened to her after the birth of her son?
I've continued her story in Part 2. 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople perfect! Thanks so much!
She was a great lady. Her husband and Bess not so much
Princess Diana was related to Georgina
Great episode, but isn’t it GeorgiANA and not GeorgINA?
I'm not saying 'Georgina', but 'George-jay-na', the original pronunciation of the name. There is now a modern pronunciation of it as 'George-gee-ana', but it's not how she would have pronounced her name at the time.
Is the pronunciation of Georgiana correct?
Yes, although there is a more modern pronunciation that is 'George-gee-ana'. 😊
It was the pronunciation of the time.
The nose and face shape looks like strong DNA.
Georg ee ana. Not Georgaina.
No, it's not. 'Georg-gee-ana' is a modern pronunciation.
The saying is fifth wheel, not third wheel.
No, it isn't. dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/third-wheel
With a couple - it’s third wheel. It’s a common saying.
Fifth wheel. 5th wheel, not third wheel.
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Third wheel is that extra unwanted person in a relationship with a couple. Fifth wheel is that person in a group. So in this case drebasing you are wrong.
It’s their wheel.
Sorry but I can’t hear her name pronounced like that !
You mean, the correct way?
Georgaina?
Not being British ..but still "Georgiina"
No, it's not. It's pronounced like I've said it - they even pronounce it that way it in the very expensive film. 'Georgina' is different from 'Georgiana'.
Still trying to trash Lady Di. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Umm....what? 😂
This has to be yet another useless AI narration, - it is horrendous that it cannot pronounce the name of the duchess and really annoying.
Not AI, and I am pronouncing her name correctly. They even pronounced it that way it the big budget film of her life with Keira Knightly in, for heaven's sake! 😂
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Well I am British and I am telling you that is NOT the correct pronounciation - it is Georgie-Anna
@@sonaterese799at that time it was pronounced George- ay- nah, not George- ee-na. The video narrator is correct.
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