Don't Buy a JETBOIL Until You Watch This Video! - Fire Maple Polaris
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2023
- Everybody talks about the Jetboil, but do you really have to spend the money? Check out this product from Fire Maple before you spend your money!
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I’ve been watching your videos for a while now. I’ve purchased a few stoves off your reviews. I’ll say this. Don’t spend to much time worrying about what others think. There’s always going to be “knock-offs” to products. Review them all. What you’re doing is helping the community as a whole. The snobs will be alright.
Hello Ernie. Your point concerning whether or not you should support knock off stoves was correct. Some people can't afford the higher priced original and I would argue that if you cannot get out in the field as much as you would like, why pay the higher price? I myself will spend the extra money if the quality is apparent between the two stoves. Camping and backpacking should be enjoyed by everyone no matter how much money you are capable to invest in the sport. Also, the simmer function made this a very versatile system.
I find the whole concept of "knock off" designs pretty weird, tbh. Is the Mustang just a "knock off" Ford?
I've been using the Fire Maple for a couple of years with no complaints.
I have a titanium jetboil and the heat exchanger started burning off. Sent them an email asking what my options are and never received a response, so from a customer service perspective, they're not that great
Thanks for the review.
Thanks for this review.
I've been patiently waiting for your vid, good show
You make a strong point about OG systems versus knock-offs. For someone just getting into camping or backpacking, a budget system is a good option for them.
I got a generic microtec or some garbage like that. Still working fine after four years
Good review and logic!! Health and Happiness to you . Have a great weekend
Good review and option , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Thanks for the reviews. I appreciate your willingness to review any stove.
When I worked for a major corporation I learned how the lines of competition are often very blurry on the higher level. It would not surprise me to discover that Fire Maple buys components from Jet Boil or MSR.
Good video... I like your stance when it comes to "buying" what you can afford...
I absolutely agree with what you are doing because I am one of those people that needs options
d/t financial constraints 😌
Thank you very much !!
Thanks Doc for a great review. I think your philosophy on reviewing all products expensive and not, original or knockoff is right on. Keep them coming!
Nice video Ernie, Keep the reviews coming. Nice hoodie by the way. I'm in Colorado, and my Daughter was married at RMNP.
hi there, just subscribed!
college student from china actually. going into backpacking like you said. your video helped a lot on choosing those stoves, displayed for me the easy-to-get firemaples! great content!
Tq brother for the honest reviews, buy your thoughts, cheaper doesnt mean they arent good. Salute & Cool.
What a great video and review on this firemaple Polaris stove. Like you said some people can not afford high end models, but I purchased this a few months ago on watching your video,and it has been absolutely flawless. I have just ordered another one ready for the camping season in the uk this summer. 👍 Andy from uk.
I've been rocking the FireMaple Star 2 for some time and am pleased with it's performance.
I’m definitely going to get this one over the X2 due to the increased capacity and simmering function. Great review.
I've heard nothing but good things about this system, hands down. I bought one today and can't wait to use it. Great review, BTW
What a great video and review of this stove. Like you said Some people can not afford the high end stoves. This firemaple Polaris is absolutely fantastic I’ve had mine a few months now after seeing your review a while back. And now going to order a second one ready for this years camping season in the uk. 👍👍
I strongly considered getting a jet boil, but you are correct in saying some people just can't afford certain brands of gear. I bought the fire maple from Amazon and i feel i got a great deal. It should arrive this weekend. Looking forward to testing it out. Thanks for your vid.
You are Absolutely 100% Right Ernie,,,,!!!!! MSR copied the Soto Windmaster burner design,,, Solo copied the Bush Buddy ( mine just arrived today 🎉🎉) and so on,,, I own Fire maple’s remote canister stove and Soto’s remote canister stove,,, love them both. In this Global market today,,, copy cat’s are going to be everywhere. A Free market,, and Your Free to choose. Everyone has a price point and there’s a product out there for them to choose.
Excellent Point and Video,,,!!!!
Competition is good, they will all copy each other once the patent is expired and then they will develop better products and the cycle will start again. In my mind, since the Jetboil and Firemaple are made in China they are pretty much in the same category. MSRs are still made in the USA so the choice to me is really between buying made in USA vs made in China and whether you want to make China's regime stronger.
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Well done 👍 it's about time someone sed what you sed good job nice video 👍 as allways
I love my polaris, used for about 40 boils so far, worked flawless -6 °Celsius, simmer option works great for the pot and pan, definitely expands your backpacking menu, I primarily use it in winter camping/fishing
Same here fir me. Great bit of kit and as Ernie said value for money and handy for 2 people. Bushyboy Oz.
Not disagreeing but for winter would you have preferred a remote canister stove to invert?
@Nigel Healy well depends I normally have heated tent so normally no issue, if its cold and outside cooking, I burning white gas stove of some sort
That is good information. Reviewing the copies is not that bad. They are out there and people are going to buy them. If the review helps to make the right choice or avoid buying equipment unsuitable for the requirements, resources are saved. Eventually the is a good thing.
For a meal at home this cook set is nice. It heats water for dehydrated meals fast and the simmer function allows some real cooking too. There a lot of one pot recipes with fresh ingredients out there. I think the stove offers enough bang for the buck for considering it for a car kit.
Let the haters hate. Like you said most of us don't have the extra money to buy the top of the line stuff. Thanks for sharing my friend 🤠
I bought the X2 before you posted this review and I missed this one. I have yet to get out and use it, and I'm still inside my return window, so I'm going to return the X2 for the Polaris due to the versatility. Honestly, I can't tell a difference between the jetboil and fire maple systems, so I went with the fire maple system simply due to price. They seem exactly the same to me, but I like that the fire maple pots have flip out handles for ease in pouring. Thanks for an honest and great review!
I've got one,brilliant,does what it says and not extortionate amounts of money,no paying for extras serves me well 😊.
👍👍👍
Looks good .. and it gives one choices.
If ever I bought one, the only addition that I would make would be to rustle up a folding tripod from a SS Bicycle Spoke and some Ferrules / Wire / Sleeves / Whatever, to cater for smaller diameter pots and cups. Easy peas .. spoke, wire cutter, pliers, ferrules and vice grip and less than 30 min of one's time.
Thanks for sharing .. a good one. Take care ...
I own a few stoves, Soto Amicus and the original FireMaple. I like the FireMaple very much. It is much less expensive than the MSR or Jetboil. There are features of the FM that I find to be better designed than the others. Not considering price, the FM is better than the JB in my opinion and it is half the price. Dave & The Girls
How does this compare to the Stryker backpacking stove I got at Walmart? I think you reviewed it too.
Thanks for the review. I have a pocket rocket, which I really like and use almost exclusively when backpacking. That said, I burned the 💩 out of my knuckle one day in windy conditions and ever since, I’ve been very reticent about using the stove in any type of breeze. I like the Jetboil design, but as you say, the price is astronomical. My sister has the Jetboil and loves it, but they are wealthy people. $70 is still a lot for me, but this stove seems like a better option for 2-3 day short hikes, which is all I do these days. The weight isn’t an issue for me. I’m not a gram weenie, I generally hike 7-9 miles per day and I want comfort in camp.
I agree the knock offs are problematic for USA companies with patents. However, this is the world in which we all now live. A 1-2 year jump is all any company can expect before the copies are made.
Thanks for the video Doc. Personally, I would love to see a pot with a heat exchanger base that I can use with my Trangia storm cooker system. So if you're thinking about what to make a video about...
I already have a Jetboil - got the Sol Ti in 2012 - so I'd not buy this, but I'd agree these type of systems are good backup systems like store in car on an emergency kit as they pack well all you need. But for either a short backpacking overnighter alcohol wins, or if doing real cooking a remote canister stove with nested couple of pots is more able to prepare variety of food.
So these all complement each other and we each have unique existing ownership and contexts.
I have the Fire Maple Polaris and really like it. For the money, it is a good quality system and I feel it is a great value. I like the fact that it is pressure regulated and that it has great simmer control. The universal pot stand is a nice bonus, so you are not limited in what you can cook on. This really hits the sweet spot for quality, features, and value. Excellent for car camping or short backpacking trips where weight is not a concern.
But for short trips alcohol wins on weight and less to fail?
Good man the inexpensive camp gear finally 😁
Came here for the reviews and great comments i will get firemaple and try on a good conscience...
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It looks fine to me. Obviously there's more people that can afford this over the $200 one.
Yeah, you do have a problem with stoves, but it's useful to the rest of us. "I film myself boiling water as a side hustle" is delightful. I always recommend this channel for folks who are looking to figure out what they want or need in a backpacking stove.
Not gonna lie, I probably watched 50-80 of those 140 videos to try to narrow down type and model of what I wanted in a stove. I 100% appreciate having budget options in gear. Places like REI can be overwhelming for branded high end offerings, and uneven for which brands and types of stoves are offered. It's nice to see reviews on a variety of products, because buying stuff online and especially on Amazon can also be overwhelming.
I vanlife and car camp, so weight is not necessarily my main concern but size is. I eventually went in for a Firebox Nano stainless steel with the adapter sticks for a Trangia burner. But I appreciate the "this is adequate for the need" of a random folding windscreen I picked up for about $3-$5 at the local Daiso Japan store. I also know that there are a lot of fancy backpacking cooksets out there, but my Stanley Two-Cup and Two-Bowl cooksets are JUST FINE at a pricepoint that absolutely cannot be beat. The outdoors should be for everybody, and it's always good when a channel has a variety of options for every budget.
I love mine ❤
The Polaris Fire Maple is better than all the jetboils due to it's pressure regulating burner.
Good for you! It doesn't do any good to just talk about expensive - and unaffordable - gear! Let's get more folks out there! Thanks and ATB.
All the stove systems you mentioned are made in CHY-NAA. If a company is going to send its products overseas to be manufactured don’t cry and whine and complain when they get copied or cloned and sold at a lower price point. That’s what CHY-NAA does. Great job on the videos Ernie, keep ‘em coming.
🍻Good on ya reviewing the full range of products, from a wide range of manufacturers and prices. It's great to be able to afford the good stuff, only Made in America, etc., but as you said, not everyone can afford that. I always buy Made in the USA from the original manufacturer if I can afford it. Walmart and Harbor Freight are successful because we can't always afford to do that.
Fire maple do some decent gear 👍, I own jetboil, msr and firemaple I like my trangia to, what can say love my stoves. But I like to build a small compact kit from scratch, decent pot, compact stove etc, and there's hundreds of options for every budget 👌
Because I have had a Jetboil Flash for several years, I don't feel the need to switch. If I didn't already have the Jetboil I might well choose this one for the larger capacity.
clones are sometimes just as good as the original.
The question is, how good is a clone of a clone?
Sometimes even better
I've had the X1 for a few years and it has held up well. It's not quite as good quality as a jetboil, but it's good enough in my opinion. You really do save gas with the heat exchange design, but the heat exchanger also add weight, so for short solo hikes it is not worth it, but for longer hikes with many people sharing a stove (i.e. if you carry a lot of fuel) it can be worth it.
I'm not entirely convinced there's a significant advantage to having a pressure regulator valve over a needle valve (assuming both are properly designed).
Pressure regulators should not be better at low temperatures, but perhaps they can provide more precise regulation over a wide range of temperatures. So they might, in theory at least, be better for simmering, frying and advanced cooking. A traditional needle valve also works well at low pressure, you just have to open it more than you would at high pressure. The downside to a needle valve is that you have to pay more attention to the flame and make adjustments now and then (but how much of a problem is that in practice?). The needle valve also has an advantage: it is simpler so there's less that can go wrong (but maybe they are reliable enough that is not a problem either?).
I have the Fire Maple Blade 1 (remote, no pre-heat), the FMS-117T (on canister, Ti) and the FMS-300T (narrower flame, more compact), and the Trangia gas converter (remote, pre-heat), and a Jetboil Sol Ti (discontinued, got 2012).
For short trips (overnight) alcohol wins on weight and less to fail. For 3-5 days a remote gas seems to be my preference with a stacked mug+pot for varied cooking. The tricky part to decide is the 2 day trip, gas begins to win on weight and is faster cooking.
As for weight of the heat exchanger vs fuel used, for my setup the heat exchanger saves me average 5.5g per day (cooking twice/day) while the heat exchanger pot + stove is 30g heavier than my two-nested-pot-remote setup. So the heat exchange does save weight for 6+ days BUT I'm wanting more cooking variety on those trips so I'm finding the Jetboil I already own is never taken now - was taken all the time a decade ago before good Ti remote stoves came around paired with good wide Ti pots which nest.
My Jetboil relegated to emergency car kit just for compact neatness but I may even swap that out and sell the Jetboil. These heat exchanger systems seem to be getting squeezed into ever narrower niches.
Doctor support for your recommendation
I like these all in one systems, in principle, but i really can't see myself reaching for any other stove than my Soto WindMaster until it wears out, so probably never.
I must disagree with you when it comes to your judgement regarding quality, Fire Maple products are first rate, beautifully finished items. other than that, an excellent review.
There old ladies out there that can’t afford fancy stuff-so I go pretty good quality at a good price! I depend on Dr. Ernie and others to help me spend my money wisely.
has that funky Fire Maple metal wire thingy to hold the handle
I just do not like PLASTIC & FIRE
a little mistake and it's all melted
and the JET SYSTEMS are $$$
I can afford a wood campfire & my Trangia w/MSR Stainless Pot
Can we drop the idea that it's because people can't afford it. It's about priorities. If you're backpacking all the time and way of grid then maybe every gram counts. If you're just starting out then it's nuts to buy the best gear. Maybe a goretex jacket is a bigger priority, or better walking boots. It's not you can't afford it, more that you can't justify it.
As for buying the original. What's original, the fin design/heat exchanger. 90% of it still stands on the hundreds of ideas and knowledge developed before it. It's a design concept that stands in the shoulders of everyone that designed the rest of the system over decades.
People always forget when they were poor and then, you have the people that mommy and daddy never allowed them to be poor. These people have always been able to buy the (insert brand name here) stuff and don't think anyone who can't afford it should be allowed to hike.
Knock off stoves maybe keeping the price of originals lower and possibly in reach.
I just don't see the cost when a windburner and 900 ML pot is faster and lighter.JMO ,thanks for the review.
will the neoprene melt?
These knock offs are sometimes manage to be even better than the original. I own a SOTO WindMaster. Then I purchased its Chinese knock off as a backup. The original has its burner part slightly tinted to one side. Not a tragedy - may be 1°, but there it is. The Chinese sample is absolutely symmetric…
Now YOU tell me: the SOTO one is twice the price of its copy. Japanese cannot align parts during assembly or what?
Hey nice sweatshirt.
(says Skyler from Colorado)
Of course budget options are worth exploring!!! If you can get something similar for 60% of the cost you would be a complete fool not too
I feel like JetBoil and MSR are taking a ... with the prices.
So U prefer X5 or X2 ? 😊
Yes Chinese copies are ripping off made in America companies. But America companies has got start being more competitive.. A 3rd the price..
People are now seeing how bad they’ve been getting ripped.
Buy what you can afford.
If it was a knock off of an American made product by an American company I’d think twice. But jetboil has their products made in china but price it like they made it here.
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Boiling here and there
Teach people to understand
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Gonna buy them all!
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Against cold water he defends!
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A flame so blue!
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Love you ernie, great review as always :D
I have had a Jetboil for close to 20 years now. It has never failed me. Recently the lid cracked, Jetboil sent me a new lid for free. That being said, the FM looks like a good budget alternative. I wonder if they will last 20 years?
I did order a Fire maple Saturn stove today. It's getting great reviews too. I ordered it with the grill plate. So, I shall see how well FM products hold up.
geaux Tiguhs
For me, lost all credibility the moment he said Fire Maple gave him the system free!
He's very objective. He offers no opinion, and simply demonstrates the performance of the system and give a summary regarding the price differences from similar, higher-priced systems.
I'm looking forward to your testing out the Lava... hint hint ;)
Please keep doing this videos, this is an option for some people that other systems are expensive!