I own a 2018 100% electric Ioniq and I agree with most od what was said here. I have a level 2 charger at home that cost me 400$ CAD (electrical and L2 charger) after incentives and I also got 8000$ CAD off for the car (incentives). This made the car very affordable. I drive about 40 kilometers a day with it so range is indeed a non-issue. I also use it for trips from time to time but here in Quebec Canada, we have a pretty good network of fast charging stations. It takes about 30 minutes to charge with these. At home, I charge at night. It takes about 2 hours to get a full charge. Also, electricity here in Canada is produced from hydro power so it's clean. With the good environment, I would say this car is the way to go. Personaly, I love it.
Hello, I am from Norway. Here, because of government incentives, we have a LOT of EVs. This also means that the fast charger network is much bigger than in most other countries. My family owns a tiny 2013 model VW e-up EV, and even with a measly 100 mile range, it can actually go on longer trips because of these fast chargers. I took some friends on a roadtrip with me this summer, and it works surprisingly well. Drive for 1 hour -> charge at a fast charger for 10 minutes, and drive on. Yes, it takes a few minutes longer than with a gas car, but it is so much cheaper. So we have often used the little e-up for longer trips just to save money on fuel. I think it is mostly an infrastructure problem. Once the real life range goes over 200-300 miles, AND you get a proper charging network, an EV can work as the single car for a family. In fact, we have only used our other car (a Volvo xc60 ) a few times this year, as the e-up does all the basic workhorse stuff. It is not available in the US however, but it is too small for you anyway (as I understand it as americans don't really buy small cars?) Good and interesting video, I am a bit shocked how much the front wheels are loosing traction. Looking at diagrams, the Ioniq seems to have most of the weight in the back, so perhaps some stronger rear springs would help? Anyway, I hope my comment isn't too long.
It costs about 3-4 dollars. The payment is time sensitive, so it's more like an expensive parking fee than paying for the power itself. Mind you, petrol is really expensive here (an electric power too, so most monetary perspectives are different to the US or the rest of the world-keep that in mind). On a trip using nothing but fast chargers, we use about half of what we would if we used petrol or diesel. But the real cost savings is when we just use the car for "normal" driving, as my dad use it every day for commuting 1 hour to work (then he charges it there for free). We normally charge it at home overnight,which costs almost nothing( 0.2 dollars per 10 km) so we have saved tens of thousand of dollars over they years we have had it. No signs of battery degradation either. Cost wise, an EV is much better than a conventional car in all other ways than starting cost. As a commuter car, I think they do the job perfectly. However, in other parts of the world I can see why people are waiting for the "long range" cars that will appear in a short amount of time. Sorry for the long answer, but I wanted to elaborate a bit how the system works. :)
just like me. i bought an older Nissan Leaf because of all the tollroads here in Vestfold and up to oslo. and planed to use it on a daily bases and use the Nissan Qashqai when going up to the cabin or visiting my grandparents. but the fast charger network is just too good that i dont really need any other car than the leaf. towing alot in the summer so im keeping both but daym, i really love the electric drive!
I have to say this was one of the best IONIQ reviews I have seen on youtube. The amount of detail you covered and video shown of the engine bay and undercarriage was much better than all the reviews I have seen on this car. I find too many reviewers are stuck on the idea that the car isnt fast and sporty, even though the goal of the car is to be economical. I am glad this review was non-biased.
You're missing the point when it comes to EVs and being green. Sure, manufacturing batteries isn't green, making the car and the steel and everything else that went into the material sourcing likely isn't green....but neither is every other car in existence from a materials standpoint. The big difference that makes it green is the massive reduction in pollution and CO2 as a result of the banishment of oil use. Oil has to be drilled, transported, refined and transported again only to then be burned at 30% or less efficiency. That all adds up to a massive difference between an ICE and an EV, even when that EV is being charged from one of the less clean power sources like coal.
+Son37Lumiere And the question is does that offset the mining and global production of battery packs, including disposal, refurbishment and energy costs to build a charging grid, transporting and producing chargers and most importantly the impact on the power grid switching from fueling stations to charging 10s of millions of cars all of the time, most of which will use coal power plants for charging. The fact that you can't get a straight answer to that is enough proof its not as green as purported. (I am not pro big oil by any stretch)
Yes, it still is even with all that factored in. There are many reasons for that. I actually have a pretty good chart that compares ICE to electric in terms of total CO2 output between the two, which also includes differences in power sources, efficiencies and losses but I can't seem to find it online and don't have a means to upload it right now. However here is a link to a study done by the union of concerned scientists. www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/life-cycle-ev-emissions Lithium batteries are nontoxic and recyclable for one, they actually make for great power storage once retired from a vehicle. Chargers are not difficult to manufacture and do not use rare earth metals or any other material in any significant amount. The power grid already exists, it will need to be upgraded in order to support many millions more vehicles yes but not to the extent I believe you think. Most power stations sit idle at night when a lot of these would be charging, it's actually better for the power station to ramp up use because efficiency drops when they sit idle. As of 2016 electricity derived from coal in the US only accounts for 30% of the entire grid according to the EIA and that is decreasing since natural gas is more economical regardless and renewable continues to grow, at which point pollution becomes almost zero. This will all further improve in the future since solar panels and batteries continue to drop in price and improve in efficiency and energy density.
The true test to see which is greener is easy and can be done at home. Simply drive your ICE car into the garage and close the garage door. Then whilst sat in the car drop the windows and start the engine. See how you feel after 15 minutes. Then, if you can, repeat the experiment with an EV and see how you feel. Simples!
Excellent points about "greenness" in the end (19:04). Manufacturers should take them to heart, and consumers should ask for that information. Now Bolt review, please.
To properly compare environmental impact of an EV with a gasoline vehicle, it does make sense to consider the entire vehicle lifetime. You got that right. But you have to do the same for the gasoline vehicle too. That includes impact of extracting oil from the ground, refining it, and transporting the gasoline to the station. It also includes all the oil used for the dozens of oil changes required over the life of the vehicle. And then there's the impact of air pollution from car exhaust in cities, where humans are concentrated. Given all that, there is no way this car is anywhere near as bad for the environment as an Elantra.
A simple answer is that an EV is a significant improvement environmentally, as stated in the response above. All we can do is make meaningful efforts at cleaning up the terrible mess we are making on our planet. Even though they may be manufactured in similar ways, EVs are a significant step in the right direction compared to ICE vehicles, because they are so much more efficient utilizing energy. Even if your electricity used is generated with coal, your gasoline was probably refined using a large amount of the same “dirty”electricity, and then you get to burn the gas to run your vehicle. That’s not including the energy used for exploration, fracking/drilling , pumping out of the ground, and transportation of the oil to the refinery and the gas to the station. Green is not an absolute, it is a process. Greener, might be more accurate. We did not evolve out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones. It is time to move on and clean up our home.
Agreed. If EVs were worse for the environment overall, someone would have written a white paper about it instead of random rumors on the web. Besides, I think one of the problems is that people aren't willing to accept EVs because they are NOT perfect. It'll take time to get EVs right. We can incrementally get to a state of more efficient transportation - things aren't going to just be revolutionized over night. In the meantime, we can try and incorporate small improvements into the process of building a vehicle, like the recycled materials on the Ioniq's interior.
Thanks for giving an honest review, a lot of car reviewers will gloss over or even ignore negative aspects of newly released cars. Especially your commentary on the "greeness" of cars, because most people have been sold on the MPG number alone and don't consider the background information. You are doing a great service to the car review community and I hope others can follow your example.
It's been 3 years since this review and Hyundai came out with an updated car this year. It would be great to see a revisit review. Would be even better to compare the PHEV and the EV. As always, great review from you.
Hey, you noted at the end of the review that Hyundai doesn't have any data for the Ioniq EV. You may be interested to know that the Union of Concerned Scientists does rate the efficiency of the Ioniq EV and its rated higher than a Tesla Model S. Pretty good.
Actually, including the environmental impact of producing a battery the dirty way, electric vehicles will still produce less co2 over the life of the car than an efficient gasoline vehicle if you drive it for more than a few years.
Your explanation of the impact of efficiency seems odd to me. Most EV buyers will have to pay for the electricity they use to charge their car. A more efficient EV uses less electricity per mile, so it costs less to operate.
i think it will drive fine with sporty 17" 225 tires. but indeed all fwd EVs should have a proper limited slip diff and/or a better traction control system. with a small turbo 4 cylinder traction is not a problem because that always has turbo lag and the power comes in slower. but with the electric motor its instant and just brakes the tires loose. and you have no noise so you tend to step on it more because it doesnt feel like abuse.
I have an Ioniq hybrid with 17" rims. The ride is quite hard compared to my previous car (2015 Corolla), and I wish I had 15 or 16 rims. When I'll need to change the tires, I will look into downgrading to 15/16 with lighter and cheaper steel rims. Will probably save me some money with the tires being cheaper and selling the 17 rims on Ebay.
I can't speak for the manufacturing but in terms of where you get your electricity from, even if it's from a coal power plant, the energy balance (and emissions) are still in favor of the EV. If you want proof of this (I'm an engineer) I can supply it to you or do some derivations on a reddit page. The manufacturing and OEM points you made are very valid though (and in terms of Lithium, only a small percentage of the cell composition contain it).
Considering Elon hasn't figured out how to mass produce the Model 3 yet, good luck. I think he's too busy trying to get enough taxpayer dollars to build a colony on Mars.
Yup. Doug's recent Model 3 review and any criticism will bring the Tesla cult on your head. I don't want to use names, but there is a particular woman who almost appeared on every comment defending Tesla.
It's a great review, thanks. Special thanks for showing underpinnings and not spending half an hour talking about sorts of plastic on every interior detail, like often done in other reviews, haha
It's 4 yrs old, and the Ioniq was the first-ever best looker, hybrid for here, and EV, waiting to be sold across gas alley US. The new Honda Insight is now just catching up!!! The New Elantra will be the Ioniqs new Mass carriage. Probably beating out the E-Niro, E-Soul, and E-Kona. Plus whatever else I miss. The Ioniq has always been a eye-catcher.
If you only go a few miles here and a few miles there and only use for example 10% of the battery a day, you could get along just fine with a Level 1 charger.
Drove this car a few days ago, as a Leaf driver this car is way ahead of Nissan. If Hyundai can produce enough of them, it deserves to sell really well. Equipment levels are amazing, compare that to the e-Golf! For most people it's as good as a Tesla S- but at a third of the price (which I've also driven). Did you try the self-steering and radar cruise control features by the way?
This is very appealing to me. My commute to school is 20 miles. My commute to work is 5. Theoretically, I could drive to and from school and work about 3 days before I'd have to charge. Considering I could charge every night, that wouldn't be an issue. However, for the occasional long trip, in Illinois, it really becomes an issue. For that reason, I'd rather just get the hybrid
Beware if you live in a hot or cold climate. Battery life is dependent on battery temperatures. Too hot and too cold = less actual battery capacity. Worst case, you may make it to work/school, but you may not make it back home even on a full charge.
That depends. My car gets around 20 MPG, so with my 8-mile commute, I end up spending a little over $80 a month on gas. I would say that adds up over time. Many people have more efficient cars, like my wife, whose car gets about 35 MPG combined, but have longer commutes, thus using just as much fuel. Also, there's convenience in an EV of not having to even stop by the gas station. And, the maintenance costs should be lower as well - no oil changes, for one thing. So, it's not just about the fuel anyway.
This is the most cost-efficient electric car so far. In America, it costs $29.5K. After the $7.5 federal tax rebate, it costs just $22K, making it a real ECONOMY car. With the much lower price of electricity than gasoline, it's definitely a Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla killer. However, it's range is only 124 miles.
Thanks this review is great and reflects exactly my half day experience with this car. My wife just went into the car and drove it without any instructions (she had only experience with gasoline car before and one converted electric car). For sure this will be the next family car. As I have a 230V /16A outlet at home this car full charges easily over night.
THE FINE PRINT OF: Vehicle “Platforms” would be a great video, explaining all the intricacies and costs of development and why it’s rarer and rarer to have new platforms for a single car, which is 1 of many things contributing to fewer dedicated sports cars. Etc. Especially exploring what makes a platform modular vs. the older approach, a concept I understand but can’t pretend to fully know how it’s accomplished
Ok no one is going to buy an economy ev and whip that thing like a tesla. It's like comparing a prius to an s550. Everyone thinks that because a car is electric they automatically compare it to a tesla.
An Ioniq hybrid is cleaner than this BEV if the source of electricity is coal. So the BEV is not "greener" in most cases. The range of the Ioniq hybrid is 650-700 miles and takes 3 minutes to refuel and the infrastructure to do that is well developed. The Ioniq hybrid is much cheaper up front and the resale will be much higher. That's a point not often discussed--resale value. The depreciation of BEVs is beyond brutal. You just can't make a financial case for owning one. You can't make a "green" case either. They are so impractical compared to hybrid or conventional ICE and yet all we hear is how BEVs are going to take over. /shakes head.
I know this was a year ago but this particular bev in the UK is almost so rare it's like a myth. 8 on sale in the whole UK that I have ever seen. I bought one for 23.5k and could sell it 5 months later for 22k at a place well known for under paying customers who just want to sell quickly. I could even make a profit on it. That just doesn't exist on any other car I have purchased as new or even heard about.
Yeah that traction loss on the wheels when pulling away left and right from junctions is annoying. But i have to say, the only annoying thing about owning one. I do 90 miles per day round commute to and from work and charging it costs me around £1.40 in electric costs. Considering I was spending around £11 per day on fuel in my mercedes e class 2.1 desiel it's fair to say it's a money saver
Actually, it seems, the whole debate about climate change and the effect of CO2's on it. Is really overblown. Your points about the production of such cars are really lucid. Nice review.
Total carbon footprint should also include disposal/recycling of the car. PragerU did a pretty good look at this. With current technology, it just isn't there yet. You pay more for similar, if not worse, carbon footprint. This isn't a ding on Hyundai; this is true for any OEM pitching these types of cars.
The total carbon footprint really depends on how many miles you intend to put on the car. Based on a comparison between mid-sized EV and gasoline vehicles, you'd need to drive at least 60K miles on the EV to overcome the initial carbon impact of manufacturing the car. Trouble is, most EV's on the road have 36K mile leases, and the owner just leases another one every 3 years in perpetuity. Sure, the off lease car will be sold to someone else - but that doesn't change the fact there is another 4000 pound hunk of steel, glass, batteries, and petrochemicals on the road every three years. PragerU goes a little over the deep end in their bias against EV's. EV's are a good thing, I just don't think people own them long enough to make a real difference in the environment as some think they do.
When they talk about being green they are referring to running the car, in the UK much of our electricity is from renewable sources with only a small amount from coal. All our homes have 13 amp 240 volt supplies as standard so charging is easier and now Shell and BP are currently installing super chargers in their forecourts although slowly
The "You NEED a level 2 charger." myth. No, you don't. The battery is not a gas tank, you don't need to use it until it's empty. Plug your car in every day or two and the level 1 charger will work just fine. Drive home, and plug it in, like you plug your phone in at night. Doing the math on a standard 8 hour work day, *you would need to drive over 100KM per day for a level 2 charger to be necessary.* With this having been said, a Level 2 charger does have slightly better charging efficiency so if you're all about max efficiency then the Level 2 would be better.
I am really disappointed Turbowski has decided to no longer involve himself with the channel. I understand that it's an inconvenience for Turbowski to drive 30 minutes to Mr. Geese's new shoppe to review an economy box, but his personality was a big reason I was drawn to savagegeese content originally. I hope Turbowski knows that he has a fanbase waiting on his triumphant return, and congratulations to Mr. Geese on 90K subscribers, you've earned it.
+Myles Henry Thanks, he will be back for the Camaro video. And will have his own video as well for it. Its hard to get him involved as he works 6 days a week.
Man, I love the Information from Mark or Justin whatever the name may be (Better call him Mr. Geese as well cause that's how we know him)...production is top-notch...i always know I'll be in store for a good and informative review. I also love the humor between these two they play well off one another I don't want sound sexual that dry humor it's funny s*** and it's exactly how I talk to my friends. Holy s*** I've had a few beers and I'm rambling. Hey mister Goose your phone was in your pocket when you went in the backseat of that car I was waiting for the screen to be audibly heard snapping LOL
it probably has hid’s because the light output is better. Right now, LED technology with headlights are at a point where they draw less energy, but they are not up to par in the actual light output yet in terms of distance & range for light. I have a 2016 Mustang GT that uses LED headlights. They kind of suck for driving at night. They look good with their cool white/blue color temp, but don’t really work that well. Some may be better than others, but maybe Hyundai wasn’t happy with the output of an LED light in the Ionic & switched over to an HID when the production model came out. I kind of wish Ford did that. lol
I didn't find that was the case for my Nissan Leaf. It did have more inspections than I would have expected but it never cost me anything to have them done.
I bought one about 4 months ago as it only arrived in Australia this year with the 2019 model. The range for me is perfectly adequate and definitely suits and I use the granny charger exclusively which is fine for me takes 7-14hrs or overnight. Now you talk about 'green car' then ask the question how much environmental damage is done from the Oil industry have you looked at Well-to-Wheel before you look at the battery manufacturing plus the majority of that battery is recyclable and will last a very long time, recently Nissan had a report and the battery in the leaf will outlast the car, and I can regen my 'fuel' cannot do that in an ICE car never mind second-life for the battery in home/building storage solutions. Otherwise good review.
I know little to nothing about electric vehicles but those exposed wires and plug to the left at 6:49 look like something that road debris like a piece of tree would easily rip out or destroy
Leasing a 2021 Ionic Electric Limited, and I'm very tempted to keep this after the 3rd year. If you have a chance to check in on this again, please do.
+Rr rr I still think they're one of the more forward companies that listens has a younger mindset but a lot of the decisions in terms of design come from Korea. I think as a brand they're excellent to deal with but like every company especially Automotive companies they have some issues.
SG, the advertised battery capacity is most likely the end-of-life capacity of the battery. This would typically be 7-10 years. Realistically, it might be like 25% oversized at beginning of life. End-of-life capacity and degradation depends heavily on use and battery charge, discharge, and maintenance cycles. Hyundai didn't disclose any info to you because they may not know. I still find that hard to believe but you might have better luck getting info from LG regarding that info since they made the batteries. They should have some sort of spec sheet.
I will pay $ 15000 less and go 5 vacations for that money and still have a car that have all bells and whistles I am driving car from home to work and back 60 miles each day with 2 Kindergarten and school stops After all this car has still 40 miles left on battery... and supercharge 80% batt in 20 mins if I need to plan some other long trip... Ioniq is a win win car, even if Tesla 3 have 500kms range, none will use 500kms each day at any given time
I'm curious as to where you get the 15 hour trickle charge time from. Everything I have seen on real world use points to 9 hours, 12 hours max, if you use the lowest 1kw charge setting and are charging from virtually 0. Either way it's just overnight. And if you need more in a hurry you just fast charge. I've been talking to taxi/uber users and they have not had problems - quite the opposite - the smaller battery pack means that you can quick charge it in 20 min (about the same as it takes to fuel up where I live) , but they say they hardly ever have to.
Hyundai may not provide data, but there are many studies. You can assume that the Ioniq would require 7 metric tons of CO2 to produce as internal combustion car while it produces 11 metric tons as EV. In most developed, market economy countries you can choose to buy eco friendly electricity for your home and usually at the charger, too. I buy from a supplier producing electricity with hydro, solar and wind power only. This is about 15% more expensive than nuke and fossil energy in my country. Such electricity is still not zero emission, but the CO2 footprint is neglectable. If you drive 10,000mi per year with a hypothetic Ioniq diesel with a consumption of 50 (US) mpg, you produce 2.3 metric tons of CO2 per year. If you charge your Ioniq EV with eco friendly electricity, the EV will break even after 18'000mi or 22 months. The production and 10 year lifespan (assuming 10k mi/y) of a 50mpg diesel Ioniq would roughly produce around 20 metric tons (44,000lbs) extra CO2 compared to the EV. That's its own weight including mom, dad and two children each year. How can that not be "more green" than driving anything fossil powered?
Brilliant point about the full “green” picture. Factories can be much cleaner overall than products thrown out to the public wolves by containing and processing most of their waste cleanly in one controlled environment but do they? Can they?...
Awesome analysis, how green is your machine! BTW Zero Emissions stickers and tags seem like such a bit of false advertising considering most electricity is made by burning something somewhere else. Nobody wants to have a serious conversation on the full Total energy used to create the transportation.
PSA: for almost all phones wireless charging is much slower than a properly fast wired charger would be, so if you’re not just keeping it topped up and actually need to charge it, plug it in, also be sure to get a proper “fast charger that’s capable of at least 2A (2,000ma) charge speed to get 2x faster charging than the charger including in your iPhone box, and 4x faster than your typical cheapo 500ma car charger they sell at Walgreens checkout counters.
Is the power in homes in the US that bad? Most houses here in Sweden have 400v 3phase 16A. And many have 20 or 25A (3-phase) as the main fuse. Our standard outlet is 230v 16A. I charge my hybrid at that speed. Gives me about 3,7kWh per hour. Would be like at least 17miles per hour (about 27km). So with 8-9 hours charging during the night, you would have a full battery even if you came home with nothing left. (and how often would you do that?)
Have to agree with the grip, I'm not a hard driver but pulling out of junctions or flooring it even on a straight road will spin the wheel. But overall very happy with the car, Not very happy with the british charging network.
230 V wouldn't be a problem over here, since we use real voltage in my country, not weak-ass 110V .. :P But even over here, I would only have considered an EV if I had my own house with a garage/car-port. Living in a rented apartment without a parking garage, I simply wouldn't have a place to charge the car. I'd hazard a guess that this is a fairly common problem over here in Europe in older cities that have older residential areas without in-house parking. And then of course there's the problem of having to take longer trips regularly ... the 600km to my parents' place would probably take multiple days in anything but a Tesla - thanks to their already pretty widespread quick-chargers along major Autobahns. I guess the real place for this EV (and others like it) is in the cities and possibly as part of a fleet of "car-sharing" vehicles.
Obviously, fueling patterns change with an EV compared to a petrol or internal combustion engine (ICE), in an ICE vehicle you head to a gas station when you reach a quarter tank of fuel. This car allows you to never visit a fueling station again, smell like gas or diesel fuel saving you time because all you need to do is plug in at home. You seem to complain quite a lot about charging this EV with a level 1 Charger EVSE. The way I see it is that you do not sleep. Normally a person does not fully deplete their EV battery completely to 0 on the range anyhow. The quoted time to charge using a Level 1 EVSE is only 19 hours, which as stated before, this car is never on empty anyhow. So a 12 hour charge may be all that the car needs to fully recharge. This EV easily charges overnight while sleeping. Simply plug it in at night before you go to sleep and in the morning the car is ready fully charged, before you head off to work. Which ICE car can lay claim to such a feat? Every morning have a full gas tank to take you max range of 125 miles or better depending on your driving style, the weather and how efficient you happen to be. This EV is great, the next generation of the Ioniq will have a 64 kWh Battery able to propel this car over 300 miles.
Regarding the green question at the end, well lets ask all the combustion car manufacturers also how green they are in manufacturing. I have no idea how green they are but at least they are gone electric. I think it might be some years yet before you see an EV that checks all the boxes for you.
EXCELLENT video review - my highest kudos. I LIKE Hyundai products. And I really like the Ioniq, although if I were to swing this way, it would be the hybrid that I would purchase. Real world, I'm leaning towards the 2018/19 Accent. Thanks for your high level review(s), I am impressed.
17:35 This is not entirely correct: the need for a home L2 EVSE is purely a function of your driving needs. Our e-Golf charges from zero to 100% in 20 hours -- but it is hardly ever empty and the usual daily charging time is 2 - 5 hours, which means overnight at 110 volts is more than adequate.
It would be nice if the EV vehicles had something like the EPA sticker on them to show the environmental impact of manufacturing, sourced materials, etc. It would also be nice if you could actually get this car outside of California.
My issue with electric cars is that it doesn't matter how efficient they are compared to a traditional car until we make the power we charge them with clean. If the electricity comes from dirty resources it is no better. We should focus on updating our infrastructure before we worry about these details.
Ok let’s be realistic, charging will only actually take between 5 and 10 SECONDS. The time you need to consider for charging time is how long it takes to plug it in, and then go inside and go about your business. You don’t stand there and stare at it like drying paint. You plug it in when you get home and go inside and go about your life. You don’t have to stand there and wait for it to finish, like at a gas station. You plug it in before you go to sleep and wake up every morning with a full battery, just like you would with a cell phone. If you’re out and about and need to recharge you’ve been driving for so long you probably need to stop for half an hour to eat and bathroom break anyway, or let the kids out to stretch their legs and burn some energy.
In your 'last but not least' bit at the end, you ask about how green the manufacture processes of electric cars is. Have you ever in your life asked about how green the manufacture process of gas powered cars is? How about asking about how much CO2 is produced by drilling for oil, transporting oil, refining oil and then transporting it to gas stations? Oh and did you ever try out the 'Sport' mode in your Ionic? And where did you get those ridiculously high prices for a home charge unit?
+iManyMore the electric car makers are putting out the marketing saying how green the cars are they should be able to prove why there more green than a gasoline-powered car with little to no problem and they don't. If you take a look at the higher quality level 2 Chargers like the one made by Siemens there between 4 and $500. Yes you can get cheap chinese-made units for $200 but I'm not too sure that you would want that in your garage.
My company got one. Had to drive it for two months. Your review is 100% right on. All the good & bad & ugly. Also rear window has very bad visibility. I absolutely hate this car. My company paid for it more than Tesla 3 would cost. I'm not joking.
I own a 2018 100% electric Ioniq and I agree with most od what was said here. I have a level 2 charger at home that cost me 400$ CAD (electrical and L2 charger) after incentives and I also got 8000$ CAD off for the car (incentives). This made the car very affordable. I drive about 40 kilometers a day with it so range is indeed a non-issue. I also use it for trips from time to time but here in Quebec Canada, we have a pretty good network of fast charging stations. It takes about 30 minutes to charge with these. At home, I charge at night. It takes about 2 hours to get a full charge. Also, electricity here in Canada is produced from hydro power so it's clean. With the good environment, I would say this car is the way to go. Personaly, I love it.
Hello, I am from Norway. Here, because of government incentives, we have a LOT of EVs. This also means that the fast charger network is much bigger than in most other countries. My family owns a tiny 2013 model VW e-up EV, and even with a measly 100 mile range, it can actually go on longer trips because of these fast chargers. I took some friends on a roadtrip with me this summer, and it works surprisingly well.
Drive for 1 hour -> charge at a fast charger for 10 minutes, and drive on. Yes, it takes a few minutes longer than with a gas car, but it is so much cheaper. So we have often used the little e-up for longer trips just to save money on fuel. I think it is mostly an infrastructure problem. Once the real life range goes over 200-300 miles, AND you get a proper charging network, an EV can work as the single car for a family. In fact, we have only used our other car (a Volvo xc60 ) a few times this year, as the e-up does all the basic workhorse stuff. It is not available in the US however, but it is too small for you anyway (as I understand it as americans don't really buy small cars?)
Good and interesting video, I am a bit shocked how much the front wheels are loosing traction. Looking at diagrams, the Ioniq seems to have most of the weight in the back, so perhaps some stronger rear springs would help? Anyway, I hope my comment isn't too long.
Just curious - what does it cost you to charge for 10-15 min?
MrKikoboy I believe it’s covered with their taxes.....so no cost every time they charge.
It costs about 3-4 dollars. The payment is time sensitive, so it's more like an expensive parking fee than paying for the power itself. Mind you, petrol is really expensive here (an electric power too, so most monetary perspectives are different to the US or the rest of the world-keep that in mind).
On a trip using nothing but fast chargers, we use about half of what we would if we used petrol or diesel. But the real cost savings is when we just use the car for "normal" driving, as my dad use it every day for commuting 1 hour to work (then he charges it there for free).
We normally charge it at home overnight,which costs almost nothing( 0.2 dollars per 10 km) so we have saved tens of thousand of dollars over they years we have had it. No signs of battery degradation either.
Cost wise, an EV is much better than a conventional car in all other ways than starting cost. As a commuter car, I think they do the job perfectly. However, in other parts of the world I can see why people are waiting for the "long range" cars that will appear in a short amount of time.
Sorry for the long answer, but I wanted to elaborate a bit how the system works. :)
just like me. i bought an older Nissan Leaf because of all the tollroads here in Vestfold and up to oslo.
and planed to use it on a daily bases and use the Nissan Qashqai when going up to the cabin or visiting my grandparents.
but the fast charger network is just too good that i dont really need any other car than the leaf.
towing alot in the summer so im keeping both but daym, i really love the electric drive!
MrKikoboy i think its free in Norway. I could be wrong though
I have to say this was one of the best IONIQ reviews I have seen on youtube. The amount of detail you covered and video shown of the engine bay and undercarriage was much better than all the reviews I have seen on this car. I find too many reviewers are stuck on the idea that the car isnt fast and sporty, even though the goal of the car is to be economical. I am glad this review was non-biased.
nater51 ikr. He is a clever reviewer.
If your workplace has free charging on site, an electric car makes for an awesome commuter.
stupid korea china copy cars
OK
You're missing the point when it comes to EVs and being green. Sure, manufacturing batteries isn't green, making the car and the steel and everything else that went into the material sourcing likely isn't green....but neither is every other car in existence from a materials standpoint. The big difference that makes it green is the massive reduction in pollution and CO2 as a result of the banishment of oil use. Oil has to be drilled, transported, refined and transported again only to then be burned at 30% or less efficiency. That all adds up to a massive difference between an ICE and an EV, even when that EV is being charged from one of the less clean power sources like coal.
+Son37Lumiere And the question is does that offset the mining and global production of battery packs, including disposal, refurbishment and energy costs to build a charging grid, transporting and producing chargers and most importantly the impact on the power grid switching from fueling stations to charging 10s of millions of cars all of the time, most of which will use coal power plants for charging. The fact that you can't get a straight answer to that is enough proof its not as green as purported. (I am not pro big oil by any stretch)
Yes, it still is even with all that factored in. There are many reasons for that. I actually have a pretty good chart that compares ICE to electric in terms of total CO2 output between the two, which also includes differences in power sources, efficiencies and losses but I can't seem to find it online and don't have a means to upload it right now. However here is a link to a study done by the union of concerned scientists. www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/life-cycle-ev-emissions
Lithium batteries are nontoxic and recyclable for one, they actually make for great power storage once retired from a vehicle. Chargers are not difficult to manufacture and do not use rare earth metals or any other material in any significant amount. The power grid already exists, it will need to be upgraded in order to support many millions more vehicles yes but not to the extent I believe you think. Most power stations sit idle at night when a lot of these would be charging, it's actually better for the power station to ramp up use because efficiency drops when they sit idle. As of 2016 electricity derived from coal in the US only accounts for 30% of the entire grid according to the EIA and that is decreasing since natural gas is more economical regardless and renewable continues to grow, at which point pollution becomes almost zero. This will all further improve in the future since solar panels and batteries continue to drop in price and improve in efficiency and energy density.
The true test to see which is greener is easy and can be done at home. Simply drive your ICE car into the garage and close the garage door. Then whilst sat in the car drop the windows and start the engine. See how you feel after 15 minutes. Then, if you can, repeat the experiment with an EV and see how you feel. Simples!
Where I live the electric power plants burn coal. So if I owned this car it would be coal powered. Not very green.
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It would still emit less pollution than internal combustion even when powered by coal.
Excellent points about "greenness" in the end (19:04). Manufacturers should take them to heart, and consumers should ask for that information.
Now Bolt review, please.
To properly compare environmental impact of an EV with a gasoline vehicle, it does make sense to consider the entire vehicle lifetime. You got that right. But you have to do the same for the gasoline vehicle too. That includes impact of extracting oil from the ground, refining it, and transporting the gasoline to the station. It also includes all the oil used for the dozens of oil changes required over the life of the vehicle. And then there's the impact of air pollution from car exhaust in cities, where humans are concentrated. Given all that, there is no way this car is anywhere near as bad for the environment as an Elantra.
A simple answer is that an EV is a significant improvement environmentally, as stated in the response above. All we can do is make meaningful efforts at cleaning up the terrible mess we are making on our planet. Even though they may be manufactured in similar ways, EVs are a significant step in the right direction compared to ICE vehicles, because they are so much more efficient utilizing energy. Even if your electricity used is generated with coal, your gasoline was probably refined using a large amount of the same “dirty”electricity, and then you get to burn the gas to run your vehicle. That’s not including the energy used for exploration, fracking/drilling , pumping out of the ground, and transportation of the oil to the refinery and the gas to the station. Green is not an absolute, it is a process. Greener, might be more accurate. We did not evolve out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones. It is time to move on and clean up our home.
Peter Epstein the sad part is a lot of people don't care about the environment
Thank you. The whole "EVs are worse for the environment" myth is getting tiring, as it has been debunked numerous times.
Agreed. If EVs were worse for the environment overall, someone would have written a white paper about it instead of random rumors on the web. Besides, I think one of the problems is that people aren't willing to accept EVs because they are NOT perfect. It'll take time to get EVs right. We can incrementally get to a state of more efficient transportation - things aren't going to just be revolutionized over night. In the meantime, we can try and incorporate small improvements into the process of building a vehicle, like the recycled materials on the Ioniq's interior.
Thanks for giving an honest review, a lot of car reviewers will gloss over or even ignore negative aspects of newly released cars. Especially your commentary on the "greeness" of cars, because most people have been sold on the MPG number alone and don't consider the background information. You are doing a great service to the car review community and I hope others can follow your example.
this is the absolute best review of this car ever... also the ending when you speak of how green it is, is just awesome.
It's been 3 years since this review and Hyundai came out with an updated car this year. It would be great to see a revisit review. Would be even better to compare the PHEV and the EV. As always, great review from you.
Hey, you noted at the end of the review that Hyundai doesn't have any data for the Ioniq EV. You may be interested to know that the Union of Concerned Scientists does rate the efficiency of the Ioniq EV and its rated higher than a Tesla Model S. Pretty good.
I've watched a lot of Ioniq Electric reviews and yours is the only one I can remember that asks the question about degradation. Thanks for that.
Actually, including the environmental impact of producing a battery the dirty way, electric vehicles will still produce less co2 over the life of the car than an efficient gasoline vehicle if you drive it for more than a few years.
Your explanation of the impact of efficiency seems odd to me. Most EV buyers will have to pay for the electricity they use to charge their car. A more efficient EV uses less electricity per mile, so it costs less to operate.
+Peter Epstein Typically EVs don't cost very much to charge, the big hit is in the initial cost of the car.
19” wheels too harsh , 16” too sloppy... we need 17.5” wheels 😬
or you know, 17" or 18" wheels - what's 1/2" between friends? room for Jesus, that's what
i think it will drive fine with sporty 17" 225 tires. but indeed all fwd EVs should have a proper limited slip diff and/or a better traction control system. with a small turbo 4 cylinder traction is not a problem because that always has turbo lag and the power comes in slower. but with the electric motor its instant and just brakes the tires loose. and you have no noise so you tend to step on it more because it doesnt feel like abuse.
I have an Ioniq hybrid with 17" rims.
The ride is quite hard compared to my previous car (2015 Corolla), and I wish I had 15 or 16 rims.
When I'll need to change the tires, I will look into downgrading to 15/16 with lighter and cheaper steel rims.
Will probably save me some money with the tires being cheaper and selling the 17 rims on Ebay.
I can't speak for the manufacturing but in terms of where you get your electricity from, even if it's from a coal power plant, the energy balance (and emissions) are still in favor of the EV. If you want proof of this (I'm an engineer) I can supply it to you or do some derivations on a reddit page. The manufacturing and OEM points you made are very valid though (and in terms of Lithium, only a small percentage of the cell composition contain it).
Can't wait for you to get a model 3 and give a honest non-fanboy review.
He should wait for the 200 miles + range 2018 Ioniq ev.
Considering Elon hasn't figured out how to mass produce the Model 3 yet, good luck. I think he's too busy trying to get enough taxpayer dollars to build a colony on Mars.
Yup. Doug's recent Model 3 review and any criticism will bring the Tesla cult on your head. I don't want to use names, but there is a particular woman who almost appeared on every comment defending Tesla.
Not a chance, SG is gonna trash it - the Model 3 is a crap car
Watch Doug Demuro's review
It's a great review, thanks. Special thanks for showing underpinnings and not spending half an hour talking about sorts of plastic on every interior detail, like often done in other reviews, haha
It's 4 yrs old, and the Ioniq was the first-ever best looker, hybrid for here, and EV, waiting to be sold across gas alley US. The new Honda Insight is now just catching up!!! The New Elantra will be the Ioniqs new Mass carriage. Probably beating out the E-Niro, E-Soul, and E-Kona. Plus whatever else I miss. The Ioniq has always been a eye-catcher.
If you only go a few miles here and a few miles there and only use for example 10% of the battery a day, you could get along just fine with a Level 1 charger.
That true; or even 30% (unless you don't like to sleep at night!).
Best review! Last question is so important and no one even knows the answer. Glad there are smart people out there.
Drove this car a few days ago, as a Leaf driver this car is way ahead of Nissan. If Hyundai can produce enough of them, it deserves to sell really well. Equipment levels are amazing, compare that to the e-Golf! For most people it's as good as a Tesla S- but at a third of the price (which I've also driven). Did you try the self-steering and radar cruise control features by the way?
This guy's subscriber base is increasing.
I subbed for the geese and stayed for the great car review. Keep up the good work!
This is very appealing to me. My commute to school is 20 miles. My commute to work is 5. Theoretically, I could drive to and from school and work about 3 days before I'd have to charge. Considering I could charge every night, that wouldn't be an issue. However, for the occasional long trip, in Illinois, it really becomes an issue. For that reason, I'd rather just get the hybrid
Dylan Wodrich Agree. If it's going to be the only car that you have. Defenetly go with hybrids. So you are not limited by the EV range.
Beware if you live in a hot or cold climate. Battery life is dependent on battery temperatures. Too hot and too cold = less actual battery capacity. Worst case, you may make it to work/school, but you may not make it back home even on a full charge.
But how much fuel would a normal car use? Not enough to justify purchasing a whole new car!
That depends. My car gets around 20 MPG, so with my 8-mile commute, I end up spending a little over $80 a month on gas. I would say that adds up over time. Many people have more efficient cars, like my wife, whose car gets about 35 MPG combined, but have longer commutes, thus using just as much fuel.
Also, there's convenience in an EV of not having to even stop by the gas station. And, the maintenance costs should be lower as well - no oil changes, for one thing. So, it's not just about the fuel anyway.
Dylan Wodrich long trip is not a problem with ioniq. Better to USE ionq on longer trip than bolt ev.
This is the most cost-efficient electric car so far. In America, it costs $29.5K. After the $7.5 federal tax rebate, it costs just $22K, making it a real ECONOMY car. With the much lower price of electricity than gasoline, it's definitely a Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla killer. However, it's range is only 124 miles.
Thanks this review is great and reflects exactly my half day experience with this car. My wife just went into the car and drove it without any instructions (she had only experience with gasoline car before and one converted electric car). For sure this will be the next family car. As I have a 230V /16A outlet at home this car full charges easily over night.
thank you, this was probably the best and most precise description of exactly what the Ioniq is all about and why I will be picking one up Friday
You are the best in this dying platform, congrats as always, if you made a 6 hours movie i probably watch it twice
THE FINE PRINT OF: Vehicle “Platforms” would be a great video, explaining all the intricacies and costs of development and why it’s rarer and rarer to have new platforms for a single car, which is 1 of many things contributing to fewer dedicated sports cars. Etc.
Especially exploring what makes a platform modular vs. the older approach, a concept I understand but can’t pretend to fully know how it’s accomplished
You're great! I could listen to you for hours on end.
Ok no one is going to buy an economy ev and whip that thing like a tesla. It's like comparing a prius to an s550. Everyone thinks that because a car is electric they automatically compare it to a tesla.
it's more like comparing a prius to a ct200h
Jason Young Dude, the Ct200h is a previous gen Prius with a Lexus badge.
Simplex SM yeah, and one is an economy hybrid and one is a luxury economy hybrid
More like Prius VS BMW 3 series.
Can you blame them? Tesla is the standard.
Best and honest review so far! Good job
An Ioniq hybrid is cleaner than this BEV if the source of electricity is coal. So the BEV is not "greener" in most cases. The range of the Ioniq hybrid is 650-700 miles and takes 3 minutes to refuel and the infrastructure to do that is well developed. The Ioniq hybrid is much cheaper up front and the resale will be much higher. That's a point not often discussed--resale value. The depreciation of BEVs is beyond brutal. You just can't make a financial case for owning one. You can't make a "green" case either. They are so impractical compared to hybrid or conventional ICE and yet all we hear is how BEVs are going to take over. /shakes head.
I know this was a year ago but this particular bev in the UK is almost so rare it's like a myth. 8 on sale in the whole UK that I have ever seen. I bought one for 23.5k and could sell it 5 months later for 22k at a place well known for under paying customers who just want to sell quickly. I could even make a profit on it. That just doesn't exist on any other car I have purchased as new or even heard about.
Yeah that traction loss on the wheels when pulling away left and right from junctions is annoying. But i have to say, the only annoying thing about owning one. I do 90 miles per day round commute to and from work and charging it costs me around £1.40 in electric costs. Considering I was spending around £11 per day on fuel in my mercedes e class 2.1 desiel it's fair to say it's a money saver
Loved the comment at the end. Puts it all in perspective. Keep up the great work!
I think it's a great concept (the 3 modes of the same car), it's fairly cheap and it deserves to do well.
Actually, it seems, the whole debate about climate change and the effect of CO2's on it. Is really overblown. Your points about the production of such cars are really lucid. Nice review.
Total carbon footprint should also include disposal/recycling of the car. PragerU did a pretty good look at this. With current technology, it just isn't there yet. You pay more for similar, if not worse, carbon footprint. This isn't a ding on Hyundai; this is true for any OEM pitching these types of cars.
The total carbon footprint really depends on how many miles you intend to put on the car. Based on a comparison between mid-sized EV and gasoline vehicles, you'd need to drive at least 60K miles on the EV to overcome the initial carbon impact of manufacturing the car. Trouble is, most EV's on the road have 36K mile leases, and the owner just leases another one every 3 years in perpetuity. Sure, the off lease car will be sold to someone else - but that doesn't change the fact there is another 4000 pound hunk of steel, glass, batteries, and petrochemicals on the road every three years. PragerU goes a little over the deep end in their bias against EV's. EV's are a good thing, I just don't think people own them long enough to make a real difference in the environment as some think they do.
I see a lot of people complain about charger cost. My 220v wall charger cost $250. The 220 wiring and double circuit breaker cost less than $100.
When they talk about being green they are referring to running the car, in the UK much of our electricity is from renewable sources with only a small amount from coal. All our homes have 13 amp 240 volt supplies as standard so charging is easier and now Shell and BP are currently installing super chargers in their forecourts although slowly
The "You NEED a level 2 charger." myth. No, you don't. The battery is not a gas tank, you don't need to use it until it's empty. Plug your car in every day or two and the level 1 charger will work just fine. Drive home, and plug it in, like you plug your phone in at night. Doing the math on a standard 8 hour work day, *you would need to drive over 100KM per day for a level 2 charger to be necessary.*
With this having been said, a Level 2 charger does have slightly better charging efficiency so if you're all about max efficiency then the Level 2 would be better.
I am really disappointed Turbowski has decided to no longer involve himself with the channel. I understand that it's an inconvenience for Turbowski to drive 30 minutes to Mr. Geese's new shoppe to review an economy box, but his personality was a big reason I was drawn to savagegeese content originally. I hope Turbowski knows that he has a fanbase waiting on his triumphant return, and congratulations to Mr. Geese on 90K subscribers, you've earned it.
I thought Turbowski was gone for just a couple of weeks?
+Myles Henry Thanks, he will be back for the Camaro video. And will have his own video as well for it. Its hard to get him involved as he works 6 days a week.
Man, I love the Information from Mark or Justin whatever the name may be (Better call him Mr. Geese as well cause that's how we know him)...production is top-notch...i always know I'll be in store for a good and informative review. I also love the humor between these two they play well off one another I don't want sound sexual that dry humor it's funny s*** and it's exactly how I talk to my friends. Holy s*** I've had a few beers and I'm rambling. Hey mister Goose your phone was in your pocket when you went in the backseat of that car I was waiting for the screen to be audibly heard snapping LOL
20:00 Excellent review, but I think we should have the right to know the total environmental impact of ALL vehicles, ICE or EV.
Looks like the KIA stinger is making its way around the CZcams reviewer, hopefully you get it soon!!
The macro carbon footprint was an excellent highlight. Great review.
I am charging 3-10 hours every night. No problems with charging at only 2,8 kW. My battery is fully charged every morning.
Shame that You skipped the part of rarity..
Overall - as always great, honest and objective review. That is why I subscribed :)
I'm glad you brought up the sourcing, etc.
They need to provide a Nutrition Facts-type thing along with the Window Sticker.
Where’s turbowski?
Turboski only fucks with 6 cylinders and up.
In your bed, grinning devilishly at you and lolling around with his cute little naked butt dimples. #plottwist
620 frankfort in cleveland
Hot!
I am all for efficiency and this car gives me the best efficiency available.
it probably has hid’s because the light output is better. Right now, LED technology with headlights are at a point where they draw less energy, but they are not up to par in the actual light output yet in terms of distance & range for light. I have a 2016 Mustang GT that uses LED headlights. They kind of suck for driving at night. They look good with their cool white/blue color temp, but don’t really work that well. Some may be better than others, but maybe Hyundai wasn’t happy with the output of an LED light in the Ionic & switched over to an HID when the production model came out. I kind of wish Ford did that. lol
Please add maintenance costs to your review, some Hyundai dealers are asking owner's to come in for inspections as often as gas powered cars ...
I didn't find that was the case for my Nissan Leaf. It did have more inspections than I would have expected but it never cost me anything to have them done.
I bought one about 4 months ago as it only arrived in Australia this year with the 2019 model. The range for me is perfectly adequate and definitely suits and I use the granny charger exclusively which is fine for me takes 7-14hrs or overnight. Now you talk about 'green car' then ask the question how much environmental damage is done from the Oil industry have you looked at Well-to-Wheel before you look at the battery manufacturing plus the majority of that battery is recyclable and will last a very long time, recently Nissan had a report and the battery in the leaf will outlast the car, and I can regen my 'fuel' cannot do that in an ICE car never mind second-life for the battery in home/building storage solutions. Otherwise good review.
Congrats on 90k, Mr. Goose!
+Wisedom Spreading Why thanks
What an attractive EV.
I love my ioniq. Better than Prius
I see a few of these around where I live. Wouldn't think of it as rare here in Norway lol. 5% of all cars I see are electric
I know little to nothing about electric vehicles but those exposed wires and plug to the left at 6:49 look like something that road debris like a piece of tree would easily rip out or destroy
Leasing a 2021 Ionic Electric Limited, and I'm very tempted to keep this after the 3rd year.
If you have a chance to check in on this again, please do.
Amazing review. As always
lol when the subaruwrxfan music came on
Leases on EVs are super cheap. Plus the used prices are awesome. I do recommend getting one with a quick charger in case you go on a longer trip.
Love the commentary at the end on greenwashing. "No data" shouldn't be an acceptable answer anymore.
Hey Mark, based on your relations with Hyundai and the quality of their cars, how do you see them as a company?
+Rr rr I still think they're one of the more forward companies that listens has a younger mindset but a lot of the decisions in terms of design come from Korea. I think as a brand they're excellent to deal with but like every company especially Automotive companies they have some issues.
SG, the advertised battery capacity is most likely the end-of-life capacity of the battery. This would typically be 7-10 years. Realistically, it might be like 25% oversized at beginning of life. End-of-life capacity and degradation depends heavily on use and battery charge, discharge, and maintenance cycles.
Hyundai didn't disclose any info to you because they may not know. I still find that hard to believe but you might have better luck getting info from LG regarding that info since they made the batteries. They should have some sort of spec sheet.
+acekc83 Hyundai would not even tell me who made the battery.
A simple Google search shows the battery cells are made by LG Chem.
I will pay $ 15000 less and go 5 vacations for that money and still have a car that have all bells and whistles
I am driving car from home to work and back 60 miles each day with 2 Kindergarten and school stops
After all this car has still 40 miles left on battery... and supercharge 80% batt in 20 mins if I need to plan some other long trip...
Ioniq is a win win car, even if Tesla 3 have 500kms range, none will use 500kms each day at any given time
I'm curious as to where you get the 15 hour trickle charge time from. Everything I have seen on real world use points to 9 hours, 12 hours max, if you use the lowest 1kw charge setting and are charging from virtually 0. Either way it's just overnight. And if you need more in a hurry you just fast charge.
I've been talking to taxi/uber users and they have not had problems - quite the opposite - the smaller battery pack means that you can quick charge it in 20 min (about the same as it takes to fuel up where I live) , but they say they hardly ever have to.
Hyundai may not provide data, but there are many studies. You can assume that the Ioniq would require 7 metric tons of CO2 to produce as internal combustion car while it produces 11 metric tons as EV. In most developed, market economy countries you can choose to buy eco friendly electricity for your home and usually at the charger, too. I buy from a supplier producing electricity with hydro, solar and wind power only. This is about 15% more expensive than nuke and fossil energy in my country. Such electricity is still not zero emission, but the CO2 footprint is neglectable.
If you drive 10,000mi per year with a hypothetic Ioniq diesel with a consumption of 50 (US) mpg, you produce 2.3 metric tons of CO2 per year. If you charge your Ioniq EV with eco friendly electricity, the EV will break even after 18'000mi or 22 months. The production and 10 year lifespan (assuming 10k mi/y) of a 50mpg diesel Ioniq would roughly produce around 20 metric tons (44,000lbs) extra CO2 compared to the EV. That's its own weight including mom, dad and two children each year. How can that not be "more green" than driving anything fossil powered?
Brilliant point about the full “green” picture. Factories can be much cleaner overall than products thrown out to the public wolves by containing and processing most of their waste cleanly in one controlled environment but do they? Can they?...
Thats the point as sell, if they are so green these companies should be showing it and why. If they don't clearly its probably worse if not the same.
19:41 If EVs need to have that info, the petrol cars also need it so you could compare them, right?
I don't care for CO2. I care for lifetime cost. And I believe EV have and advantage in that matter.
Congratulations from Argentina. Great video, exelent explication
Beautiful design cars.
Can you review the Chevy Bolt next?
Awesome analysis, how green is your machine! BTW Zero Emissions stickers and tags seem like such a bit of false advertising considering most electricity is made by burning something somewhere else. Nobody wants to have a serious conversation on the full Total energy used to create the transportation.
Great revue. Thank you sir
PSA: for almost all phones wireless charging is much slower than a properly fast wired charger would be, so if you’re not just keeping it topped up and actually need to charge it, plug it in, also be sure to get a proper “fast charger that’s capable of at least 2A (2,000ma) charge speed to get 2x faster charging than the charger including in your iPhone box, and 4x faster than your typical cheapo 500ma car charger they sell at Walgreens checkout counters.
Is the power in homes in the US that bad? Most houses here in Sweden have 400v 3phase 16A. And many have 20 or 25A (3-phase) as the main fuse.
Our standard outlet is 230v 16A. I charge my hybrid at that speed. Gives me about 3,7kWh per hour. Would be like at least 17miles per hour (about 27km). So with 8-9 hours charging during the night, you would have a full battery even if you came home with nothing left. (and how often would you do that?)
Have to agree with the grip, I'm not a hard driver but pulling out of junctions or flooring it even on a straight road will spin the wheel. But overall very happy with the car, Not very happy with the british charging network.
230 V wouldn't be a problem over here, since we use real voltage in my country, not weak-ass 110V .. :P But even over here, I would only have considered an EV if I had my own house with a garage/car-port. Living in a rented apartment without a parking garage, I simply wouldn't have a place to charge the car. I'd hazard a guess that this is a fairly common problem over here in Europe in older cities that have older residential areas without in-house parking.
And then of course there's the problem of having to take longer trips regularly ... the 600km to my parents' place would probably take multiple days in anything but a Tesla - thanks to their already pretty widespread quick-chargers along major Autobahns.
I guess the real place for this EV (and others like it) is in the cities and possibly as part of a fleet of "car-sharing" vehicles.
Obviously, fueling patterns change with an EV compared to a petrol or internal combustion engine (ICE), in an ICE vehicle you head to a gas station when you reach a quarter tank of fuel. This car allows you to never visit a fueling station again, smell like gas or diesel fuel saving you time because all you need to do is plug in at home.
You seem to complain quite a lot about charging this EV with a level 1 Charger EVSE. The way I see it is that you do not sleep. Normally a person does not fully deplete their EV battery completely to 0 on the range anyhow. The quoted time to charge using a Level 1 EVSE is only 19 hours, which as stated before, this car is never on empty anyhow. So a 12 hour charge may be all that the car needs to fully recharge.
This EV easily charges overnight while sleeping. Simply plug it in at night before you go to sleep and in the morning the car is ready fully charged, before you head off to work. Which ICE car can lay claim to such a feat? Every morning have a full gas tank to take you max range of 125 miles or better depending on your driving style, the weather and how efficient you happen to be. This EV is great, the next generation of the Ioniq will have a 64 kWh Battery able to propel this car over 300 miles.
I cannot wait for your kia stinger gt review
Regarding the green question at the end, well lets ask all the combustion car manufacturers also how green they are in manufacturing. I have no idea how green they are but at least they are gone electric. I think it might be some years yet before you see an EV that checks all the boxes for you.
This is what I wish the Tesla model 3 was. None of this self driving, 100 kw battery costing $35k+ nonsense.
Would love to see a review for the Ioniq 6
EXCELLENT video review - my highest kudos. I LIKE Hyundai products. And I really like the Ioniq, although if I were to swing this way, it would be the hybrid that I would purchase. Real world, I'm leaning towards the 2018/19 Accent. Thanks for your high level review(s), I am impressed.
They should have a dual motor option it would solve the tire spin and make it quicker.
17:35 This is not entirely correct: the need for a home L2 EVSE is purely a function of your driving needs. Our e-Golf charges from zero to 100% in 20 hours -- but it is hardly ever empty and the usual daily charging time is 2 - 5 hours, which means overnight at 110 volts is more than adequate.
excellent review thanks !
It would be nice if the EV vehicles had something like the EPA sticker on them to show the environmental impact of manufacturing, sourced materials, etc. It would also be nice if you could actually get this car outside of California.
My issue with electric cars is that it doesn't matter how efficient they are compared to a traditional car until we make the power we charge them with clean. If the electricity comes from dirty resources it is no better. We should focus on updating our infrastructure before we worry about these details.
Ok let’s be realistic, charging will only actually take between 5 and 10 SECONDS. The time you need to consider for charging time is how long it takes to plug it in, and then go inside and go about your business. You don’t stand there and stare at it like drying paint. You plug it in when you get home and go inside and go about your life. You don’t have to stand there and wait for it to finish, like at a gas station. You plug it in before you go to sleep and wake up every morning with a full battery, just like you would with a cell phone. If you’re out and about and need to recharge you’ve been driving for so long you probably need to stop for half an hour to eat and bathroom break anyway, or let the kids out to stretch their legs and burn some energy.
Question: does regenerative braking activate the brake lights?
If it slows the car agressively then it needs to turn on the brake lights.
Yes it does in level 3 regen.
You guys should do the Volt/Bolt next
Saw one of these in Colorado. The back split glass reminds me of a veloster
In your 'last but not least' bit at the end, you ask about how green the manufacture processes of electric cars is. Have you ever in your life asked about how green the manufacture process of gas powered cars is?
How about asking about how much CO2 is produced by drilling for oil, transporting oil, refining oil and then transporting it to gas stations?
Oh and did you ever try out the 'Sport' mode in your Ionic?
And where did you get those ridiculously high prices for a home charge unit?
+iManyMore the electric car makers are putting out the marketing saying how green the cars are they should be able to prove why there more green than a gasoline-powered car with little to no problem and they don't. If you take a look at the higher quality level 2 Chargers like the one made by Siemens there between 4 and $500. Yes you can get cheap chinese-made units for $200 but I'm not too sure that you would want that in your garage.
I think the Volt makes a good argument against this car.
Looking forward to your Kia Stinger review!!!
My company got one. Had to drive it for two months. Your review is 100% right on. All the good & bad & ugly. Also rear window has very bad visibility. I absolutely hate this car. My company paid for it more than Tesla 3 would cost. I'm not joking.